Right now BG is gaining rating off FA and SoS. TC and JQ are gaining rating off YB. Should the effect of this increase in the ratings difference between T1 and T2, making the so-called glicko wall even higher?
T2 lost a lot of population and I think that’s being reflected right now.
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If you want to reduce the glicko wall and have a 6 servers rotation you need to let YB gain rating and BG need to lose some rating. Then it’s a process that you will need to repeat for many weeks : the tier 1 server dropping to tier 2 server needs to lose rating in order to reduce tier 1 average rating and boost tier 2 average rating.
It’s a process that will take many weeks but it’s possible to get a 6 servers rotation without ANET intervention and this week is the start of it if you want it.
It’s a process that will take many weeks but it’s possible to get a 6 servers rotation without ANET intervention and this week is the start of it if you want it.
That’s a big IF for T1 but I hope for the sake of variety they are smart enough to see the benefits of using this opportunity to bleed out some of that wall building Glicko. Free accounts are going to affect the world populations in the open tiers soon so might as well get it straight what you actually want out of WvW at the top these days.
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T1 doesn’t need to bleed Glicko, it needs to bleed players and guilds. There is not point rotating T1 and T2 with each other if the population imbalances are as dramatic as they currently are. Locking down T1 was great for stability and recruitment, but that long term recruitment has long term effects, and unless T1 destacks, it should stay locked.
Going off of FA’s performance while still retaining full status (it recently lost it) it looks to be impossible for any other server to create T1 coverage because they will reach the full cap long before they are competitive with T1 servers. The only likely solution at this point is for players to leave T1 servers and spread across the other tiers, creating enough balance for matches to become actually competitive.
The wild card atm is how big an imact will free accounts have on WvW. I suspect a large number of players created ones on SoS and FA already (the only gold league servers open). If those accounts get into WvW and push the server to full, it could screw up the chances of T2 recovering.
Yeah BG is the beneficiary of FA losing a lot of guilds/players to lower tiers after that debacle of facing YB with their influx of T1 guilds/players. The OCX for FA is limited now and BG can run amok. They are smart but that’s why I believe in the win move up lose go down scenario even more than the glicko. Numbers as we know can be fixed but outcome in W/L is much harder.
YB doesn’t seem strong enough to face against the T1 worlds.
If they are not strong enough then SoS and FA are even less capable of winning such a battle.
As has been pointed out T1 need to bleed people down to lower tiers, not Glicko. They will just gain that back again. The question is how do you make it worthwhile for players moving to lower servers?
Right now its 39K JQ, 32K TC, 24K YB with them owning SMC, Hills and Bay in TC plus Hills in JQ, they are a T1 server so far as I can see. I don’t even like YB but I can’t say they are folding but they are definitely being hammered. And JQ isnt’t pulling punches or avoiding fights like I’ve seen them do with BG. Nice to see the freedom of fair fights and three servers each fighting one another.
What others have said about the players themselves spreading out would have to happen. The smart thing to do if you’re only talking about glicko is to suck T2 dry until one server can no longer climb the wall into T1 – it’s the same thing that happened when there were four T2 servers rotating in and out of T3. There’s little point to BG (or whatever server is in T2) to not play for a week and allow SoS and FA to pick up more points, mostly because you’re asking an entire server to not play and enjoy the game simply so a few guilds can champion their cause of a six server rotation.
I think the real matter here is we know they are aware of some of the WvW issues and are ready to try and fix some of them after the expansion launches. The T1 guilds who dropped to T2 could’ve waited to find out when that release date was (the obvious choice was late Oct/early Nov, which is what happened) and then given their input into what needs to change. Instead, a select few decided to white knight and ruin WvW for a very large player base. Considering the size of the new map and the number of players needed to fill it, it’s not looking very good at all for T2.
Well reset night was really bad for YB. Of course reset night is generally poor for YB so there is that. Since reset YB has been getting their feet back under them a bit, and standing pretty strong most times.
I will say that reset night most of YBs guilds were so excited that we were really more looking around and fighting than making concerted efforts to defend things. I also think that TC and JQ were super excited as well since several JQers have commented that reset was the first night in forever that they’d had 4 maps queued NA time.
Personally, this has been extremely fun. Hadn’t been on T1 since shortly after season 1, and it is a refreshing change of pace.
Personally, I hope we roll more T1 matchups in future as its really exciting 24/7 doing something or the other. Most people are forgetting that this is our first T1 match and our very first encounter against JQ (We fought a smaller TC back in 2012) and its been hell lot of fun defending against endless blobs T1 has been throwing at us.
About glicko, as long we don’t lose it (currently we are) nobody here is too worried about it. I really hope the other T2 servers get some transfers and Anet increases the matchup variance by a bit.
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Personally, I hope we roll more T1 matchups in future as its really exciting 24/7 doing something or the other. Most people are forgetting that this is our first T1 match and our very first encounter against JQ (We fought a smaller TC back in 2012) and its been hell lot of fun defending against endless blobs T1 has been throwing at us.
About glicko, as long we don’t lose it (currently we are) nobody here is too worried about it. I really hope the other T2 servers get some transfers and Anet increases the matchup variance by a bit.
This would be a great time for FA and SoS to rebuild, and I am sincerely hoping that they do. It would be so awesome for Fridays to roll around, and have the top 6 servers not knowing exactly who they are going to roll that night.
FA and or SoS suffered very large losses of actual gvg/wvw guilds over a period of time.
While I do not feel those trying for a “more than three team T1” actually thought through what they were doing, neither do I feel they are evil. They are just gamers.
That said, I would not wish to raise anybodies hopes on a lie.
IMHO, the best that the 2 remaining T2 teams can do is isolate the cancer from reaching down into T3/T4.
I do not believe any additional server can become part of a 5-6 team T1 rotation until the top 4 destack below the FULL status point.
Well, it is nice the two commanders, one on JQ and one on YB, have made kissy face to each other for the detriment of TC. It is ludicrous that such garbage goes on.
Well, it is nice the two commanders, one on JQ and one on YB, have made kissy face to each other for the detriment of TC. It is ludicrous that such garbage goes on.
TC will triumph though….
If TC had done the same with either JQ or YB, we’d have someone else in here claiming how unfair it is.
Well, it is nice the two commanders, one on JQ and one on YB, have made kissy face to each other for the detriment of TC. It is ludicrous that such garbage goes on.
TC will triumph though….
That’s so funny you say that. I was on my brothers account and that’s exactly what we both thought. He said play and tell me what you think while he went onto my FA account. After awhile I was like kitten , I don’t believe it. I thought it was tough enough when BG would tag team TC but now YB siding with JQ too. Crazy man.
And yes, when JQ is trying to take Red Keep and the BG zerg is half defanging and standing on the inner walls and half outside keeping TC from running back in that’s fishy. JQ capped it and BG jumped out to get a free cap on Veloka. That looks bad. I’ve seen it happen twice now. Just a simple observation from someone on FA.
FA and or SoS suffered very large losses of actual gvg/wvw guilds over a period of time.
While I do not feel those trying for a “more than three team T1” actually thought through what they were doing, neither do I feel they are evil. They are just gamers.
That said, I would not wish to raise anybodies hopes on a lie.
IMHO, the best that the 2 remaining T2 teams can do is isolate the cancer from reaching down into T3/T4.
I do not believe any additional server can become part of a 5-6 team T1 rotation until the top 4 destack below the FULL status point.
6 very high pop servers could possibly compete.
Good luck, enjoy the game.
Well said. I totally agree. Being on FA and being that we lost our OCX its tough. BG has kept to their plan of capping both our BL Hills and Bay ad nauseum along with all the southern stuff and camps. And then keeping both our outer undefendable towers and camps in EB green. Good strategy. Massive PPT in off hours then the OCX time stomp where its all green. Can’t compete with a server that is running OT to prove it was a mistake being sent down.
The fights in NA are easier than with YBs condi blob. If nothing else, FA has proved we can fight T1 in NA primetime. Sad because we used to Queue up 140 some resets with all the BLS having 40 plus Queus. We have some really dedicated and great people in the OCX, EU and SEA time slots, they are fantastic and very dedicated but grossly outnumbered. They try to hold on and upgrade and back cap to keep PPT up, I applaud them and anyone on SOS dealing with the same issues.
I love when people say their server is getting double teamed… when there’s evidence and pictures showing both zergs attacking from different sides a keep.
Well, it is nice the two commanders, one on JQ and one on YB, have made kissy face to each other for the detriment of TC. It is ludicrous that such garbage goes on.
TC will triumph though….
TC map does not turn green and JQ map does not turn blue. Your accusation is ludicrous.
I love when people say their server is getting double teamed… when there’s evidence and pictures showing both zergs attacking from different sides a keep.
Hey Anet, please lock this thread. My question was answered and posters are turning it into a match-up thread now.
If the match ends with BG gaining rating and YB losing rating, the wall is going to be higher. I hope that trend doesn’t continue with subsequent matches.
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Well, it is nice the two commanders, one on JQ and one on YB, have made kissy face to each other for the detriment of TC. It is ludicrous that such garbage goes on.
TC will triumph though….
That’s so funny you say that. I was on my brothers account and that’s exactly what we both thought. He said play and tell me what you think while he went onto my FA account. After awhile I was like kitten , I don’t believe it. I thought it was tough enough when BG would tag team TC but now YB siding with JQ too. Crazy man.
And yes, when JQ is trying to take Red Keep and the BG zerg is half defanging and standing on the inner walls and half outside keeping TC from running back in that’s fishy. JQ capped it and BG jumped out to get a free cap on Veloka. That looks bad. I’ve seen it happen twice now. Just a simple observation from someone on FA.
You’re trying to argue from anecdotal evidence, ie. that 1 observation from your POV, when you don’t even know whats going on with the other servers even, is proof of something wide reaching. When in fact its probably just isolated. Its a fallacious argument.
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Free accounts are going to affect the world populations in the open tiers soon so might as well get it straight what you actually want out of WvW at the top these days.