Guild Wars 2

Just want to state I think WvW is much too expensive when it comes to upgrading not the blueprints. There might be servers organized enough
to have no problem with it, but other have. The biggest problem is that after a wipe you have to rebuild. On my match this week it is like a complete wipe every ~1,5 days and guess what – nobody likes to invest in anything since the middle of the week. If you play on a weak server this is a very very bad disadvantage. And even on a good organized I think it would be much more fun if in a match up the price will drop logarithmic every time you have to rebuild or even go down to zero. I also suggest some kind of spend option on the vendor, because it would be much easier and no one could abuse.
Also a system where you could spend more gold to speed up would be an option.

Another topic is the commander stuff. I think it is given for 100 gold is a problem. Potentially anyone can be commander without ever playing WvW and I already have seen commander trolls trying to miss lead. I think it really should not be bound to gold (only) and especially I would like to see a system that allows the majority of players to revoke and grant people the right to command….

Not sure I am fully with you on the first part. This game is geared and based around PvP. Mostly Wv3. Thats where the gold is intended to be spent. You cant take it with you. Gold is pretty useless if you have nothing to really spend it on and once you have exotic gear (not hard to to btw since you can use karma and never spend a single gold on most of it) id say gold investments in Wv3 that dont stick around is how Anet keeps gold from becoming an endless commodity. how much gold would some players have if they didnt reinvest in Wv3 each week? Too much is the answer.

Most the commander books I know were done via votes in a way. Many people contributed to pools to give the books to the players we wanted to be commanders.

Are there people abusing it? yep. But it puts their names on the tag. If you dont know the commander, I wouldnt blindly follow him/her.

I’m not sure avbout it, But I agree that gold is so important in WvW, and poor server like AR with a lot of PuG don’t have any gold to invest.

but because how they rank servers, your opponents shouldnt be rolling in cash either. so perhaps the entire battlefield isnt upgraded much, thats still an even fight.

is that not the case in your experience?

I’m afraid I don’t agree at all. I’ve found gold to be a non issue frankly. Maybe the problem your server faces is just getting people to spend the gold they have? And don’t the servers you face have similar issues?

I don’t think gold is all that big of a deal in wvwvw given how uesless gold is at the endgame in general.

But it is a little odd how focused wvwvw is on gold sinks. It doesn’t seem right that spending money is such an integral part of the experience.

Well I’m a casual player and I have not the perfect overview.
The commander stuff – I know you can just ignore persons – just think it could be improved, but thats secondary.
I understand that WvW is designed to cost a lot, since you earn a lot. I have no overview of the total costs, but I think it could be more balanced/fair for everyone.
Why not say every wvw events reward is splitted 70/30 and there is a server “bank”. I dont know. I dont have THE solution – I just think this part could be improved a lot. That’s what I like to point out here.

WvW cost is fine, stop screwing around underleveled and you won’t have any issue with coming up with the cash to upgrade your infrastructure when you are at 80.

In full agreement on the commander issue though lots of people who have no clue have books, 100g doesn’t take too long to grind out if one puts his/her time to it.

How much gold do you have and how much do you think it takes to purchase upgrades? I’m genuinely curious. You also know you can buy siege with badges of honor right?

This was complained about in early betas. People wanted daily quests so that active WvWs of any level could get free siege equipment. What we got was the jumping puzzle. The intent is there…I just can’t even do the jumps to get the vistas, let alone the jumping puzzles so it doesn’t help me.

Well Humpink,

On some server, half our population in WvW is underleveled. That’s why we are in the last tiers.

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@Gladiusrex.7698 :
“but because how they rank servers, your opponents shouldnt be rolling in cash either. so perhaps the entire battlefield isnt upgraded much, thats still an even fight.”

False. Some tier have such a giant difference between the Green and the other team, that you can’t take that in account. E-Bay have a lot more premade and exotic people then AR and BP togheter.

Like I said, I don’t really think it’s such an issue. But it create and ever wider gaps between servers, you can’t say otherwise.

Gold is very easy to accumulate in this game. I got commander title straight grinding dungeons for a week.

The reason why WvW (siege vehicles, repairs, upgrades, etc) costs gold is to make gold not get inflated and to make you think about deploying them.

I think many people are just being greedy and hope others will pay for upgrades.

I tend to use the gold I earn in WvW for upgrades, so in the end I make very little but contribute somewhat to the team effort. PvE is where the money is that anyway. If you can get more people to do that, then it becomes a lot easier to invest into upgrades: imagine ten people capping a supply camp. That’s more than 10 silvers right there! With that often comes sentry caps and yak kills, so if everyone chips in you’ll get your upgrades running in no time.

The gold costs in WvW are only ridiculous if you’re paying for it all. I drop 50 rams a day easily, and that’s not counting other siege like Golems etc. If everyone started chipping in a little, it would be great. I know a ton of people don’t chip in on Kaineng because they’re broke, under-leveled, or just plain don’t know how/where to buy siege and how to upgrade keeps/towers.

I predict it will improve in a couple more months when even more people in lower tier servers will hit 80 and get geared out. Where else are we going to spend gold? Waypoints? Legendary Grind?

NealCaffrey.6450:

The gold costs in WvW are only ridiculous if you’re paying for it all. I drop 50 rams a day easily, and that’s not counting other siege like Golems etc. If everyone started chipping in a little, it would be great. I know a ton of people don’t chip in on Kaineng because they’re broke, under-leveled, or just plain don’t know how/where to buy siege and how to upgrade keeps/towers.

I predict it will improve in a couple more months when even more people in lower tier servers will hit 80 and get geared out. Where else are we going to spend gold? Waypoints? Legendary Grind?

Basically this. I usually end up having to drop all the siege.

Yep, replacing keeps updating from gold on badges will be good =)

Basically I’m hearing that the lower tier servers have so many under leveled players that many don’t have the resources yet for upgrades and siege. I’m failing to see why that is a problem, or needs to be adjusted game wide. The other servers in those tiers should be roughly in the same boat. It doesn’t matter if you can’t afford upgrades if the servers you face can’t either. And what’s stopping you from leveling your characters?

i’ve been on both sides of this also – it wasn’t fun when i had to stop wvw to go out and farm stuff in a pve area of the game to have money for repairs.

I die more than ever now but we also push to cap as much as we can, so I still make a profit. Now in worse case scenarios , some nights i make less than others, other nights i’m making a killing -pun intended-

so I am torn on this as I know how hard it can be to not even have a chance to sustain repairs in an unbalanced war …. but the RP side of me accepts that in real life scenarios …thats what it would be like if you were fighting for a poor country – so on a strategic level – I accept it …..not that i like it ….but for tactical reasons – as much as I love my country …if they are getting pounded and can’t afford to fight back …i’d move. :/

Nut.4713:

Basically I’m hearing that the lower tier servers have so many under leveled players that many don’t have the resources yet for upgrades and siege. I’m failing to see why that is a problem, or needs to be adjusted game wide. The other servers in those tiers should be roughly in the same boat. It doesn’t matter if you can’t afford upgrades if the servers you face can’t either. And what’s stopping you from leveling your characters?

Like I said earlier, It’s not.

Some tier have huge difference between WvW population. I take my tier as an example because I don’t know the other tier. But AR is stuck a tier were there is always one overwhelming server, and 2 weaker server.

Outmanned buff is permanent for us, and we have a very few hardcore wvw guild. Half our players in WvW are under 80.

Trust me, not many people spend gold on siege. I never saw a Siege Golem once in WvW on AR. (I,m sure we had some Golem, just didn’t see the myself).

So Yeah, I don’t want to remove gold from WvW. But maybe, if the siege/upgrade were cheaper with the outmanned buff.

Or just add a Badge price for upgrade. Badge item doesn’t fit me, so I have nothing else to do with it except siege.

NatashaK.9418:

This was complained about in early betas. People wanted daily quests so that active WvWs of any level could get free siege equipment. What we got was the jumping puzzle. The intent is there…I just can’t even do the jumps to get the vistas, let alone the jumping puzzles so it doesn’t help me.

Tell me about it, I hate jumping around like I am in some platformer console game. I just buy my blueprints and not worry about the jumping BS.

Kardiamond.6952:

Well Humpink, On some server, half our population in WvW is underleveled. That’s why we are in the last tiers.

I understand, trust me Ehmry Bay was there not too long ago, but this just means that the players are not as committed, there’s nothing actually wrong with the system. I went to WvW while I was underleveled and I hated it. Buying a single arrow cart would wipe out 50% of my wealth. Then I decided to suck it up, get to 80, and never had a problem paying for blueprints or upgrades since. I don’t pay for the 2g upgrades, but I do often drop a couple g cumulative into upgrading towers.

My advice is to just forgo WvW and level up, it will become much more enjoyable when you don’t have to worry about whether or not you can afford to buy that blueprint.

@Humpink

The issue isn’t about me, I got a level 80 and I can generate enought money to upgrade and all.

But the general under leveled population won’t. They are taking their time to level and I’m cool with it.

But it also mean they won’t invest in Upgrade/Siege.

Man, I’m sure half of them don’t even know you can buy Siege with badge of honor.

@Kardiamond if I were to compare your server to a real life country in war ….I’d have to compare it to a country that focuses on agriculture and made mostly of farmers …not soldiers. It would be natural not to be able to sustain a war against a superpower.

Maybe thats something that Anet can implement into server rankings …..the idea that some servers have a stronger population in pve …than pvp – this does not make them losers…this makes them farmers.
Not saying it’s fair, and it’s just a game – but if the level of tactics / strategy were to go up a notch for the hardcore pvp’rs ……Sun Tzu’s art of war strategies should be applicable in some abstract way. That’s the difference between wvw being a game of checkers or chess.

Yes, but In real war, I, personnally, would try to avoid a war with E-bay.

If we are to be outplayed, out leveled and outmanned, at least if we could have a little something.

Like I said, if the outmanned buff could lower the price of Siege Weapon and Upgrade. Well not directly like that, since people could abuse it.

Anyway, I wasn’t really replying about remove the gold sink, I was just saying that not all tier has server of the same caliber. Prolly half the match up this week is one-sided. So yeah, gold can be a factor.

I dont think there is any problem with blueprints – just upgrading should be more fun for everyone.

in Darkhaven – we farm Maguumas and Norther Shiverspeaks players to no end – their zhaitans belong to us! …they have awesome gear and make great drops …it’s why our battles are so epic…we bascially farm each other like we were grubs lmao!! we profit off of beating the living daylights out of each other. It makes blueprints worth it.

to be honest, you sound like a soldier living in farm country :/

There’s gotta be a cash sink somewhere. Once you get low just be more careful where you put em and buy more rams and catapults instead of trebs and golems.

fact is , there are plenty of ways as mentioned on the forum to save up 100g – just be wise about what you spend it on. I’m allergic to money sinks and crave high stats! I can’t wait till holidays are over to be honest so we can focus on farming our enemies in wvw!! thats where the real money is at!! I don’t want people to say wow when they see me, I want their drops.

I dunno Kardiamond, you’re kind of off topic here. I’m aware that AR and BP are pretty much always matched against a much stronger server and while that’s unfortunate, it has nothing to do with gold. It’s a function of how the server populations are distributed. Giving you free upgrades wouldn’t help the matter much. You’re really just kittening about your server right now, I see no argument to change the gold cost in WvW.

I think things are pretty fairly priced, assuming the bigger guilds are taking control of the keeps. The one thing I would LOVE to see would be a contribution button towards upgrades. So that I could toss maybe 50s towards the 1.5g upgrade for fortify keep. I’ve dumped about 10g per week over the last month in upgrades and siege blue prints. I’d love a mechanic for others to be able to chip in.