Guild Wars 2

So the enemy has held our keep for almost 2 Days now, Its so seiged up, not sure we will ever get it back.

I have played WvW for a long time, never seen someone take and defend a keep for such a long time. Normally, take it, defend it for maybe a Day, then let them have it back so there will be more fights. You dont wanna be so dominating that the other side simply stops playing. What fun is that??

So wont be playing this week, We are so out numbed, its no fun. So I guess they are just gonna have fun with no fights.

Thanks for killing the fun this week, enjoy your easy week my friend.

Maguuma won’t give YB keep back because they hate YB (like pretty much every other server). And by making this rant thread you just doing exactly what they want you to do: spill salty tears.

Tell me about it. Although, I’m going to guess that at the very least your linked server’s entire WvW population didn’t take a hiatus from the match up because of personality differences. That makes for a loooong week when you’re being farmed at every corner of the map.

tym.3791:

So the enemy has held our keep for almost 2 Days now, Its so seiged up, not sure we will ever get it back.

I have played WvW for a long time, never seen someone take and defend a keep for such a long time. Normally, take it, defend it for maybe a Day, then let them have it back so there will be more fights. You dont wanna be so dominating that the other side simply stops playing. What fun is that??

So wont be playing this week, We are so out numbed, its no fun. So I guess they are just gonna have fun with no fights.

Thanks for killing the fun this week, enjoy your easy week my friend.

YB have done this to other servers so no pity.

Analysis & Findings

23/24 Wins 1st Place – Black Gate – Full – Gorilla
24/24 Wins 1st Place – Maguuma – Full – Gorilla
14/24 Wins 1st Place – Stormbluff Isle – Partial – Orangutan
11/24 Wins 1st Place – Dragonband – Partial – Orangutan

Scores equally distributed among 3 servers = 8

I’ll have to conclude this is a perfect example of the 800-Pound Gorilla effect as observed in WvW.

This tends to occur due to the Fixed 3 Way Fights & Locked Tiers that serve to box combatants into a non-escapable cage.

Servers unfortunate to share the same cage as the 800-Pound Gorilla can be said that it’s on par to being in a Kobayashi Maru scenario.

I’ve included a current screen capture that details numerically this well-known effect for your reference. Dated Monday November 14, 2016 @2:00 am UTC.

Luckily with newer skirmish mechanics…we’re able to record & measure this phenomenon in greater detail.

My first research was originally posted over 1 year ago on October 15, 2015.

Please note: “Orangutan” classification ADDED between Gorilla & Chimpanzee.

This was made possible with the greater detail that became available through the new skirmish mechanic scoring.

Publication found here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-and-the-Heart-of-Thorns-Release/page/6#post5614722

Below reposted for other WvW researchers to reference if they’re too busy to visit the original link.

The only known solution based on my past observation is to encourage your Home Server to “Hibernate or Tank” to get out of the Cage.

Hope this better explains what you’re currently experiencing.

Knowing a solution to remedy this problem…hope this makes you feel better.

Original Posted Research – October 15, 2015

Click the + if you agree with this post.

New Change in my opinion will change the tone of WvW Match-Ups to:

1-FRI – Hammer the Weakest Link

Influx of Players get on because it’s the weekend…and reset hasn’t occurred yet. The Weakest World Server gets hammered by this weekend influx crowd.

2-SAT – WvW Reset – Stomp the Weakest Link

Players unfortunate to be on the Weakest World…after Friday’s influx of players…now face a Saturday Stomp.

3-SUN – Roles Defined

800 Pound Gorilla, Chimp, and Weakest Link. Worlds will play off each other to try and avoid being the Weakest Link.

4-MON – Pecking Order

Worlds Falls in Line & continue to play off each other’s role

Only option for Weakest Link World

Stop Fighting for the week & Fall in their Tier Rank.

A tactic learned specifically from YB, that’s what makes it so delicious.

There were plenty of times YB had the numbers to take it back. But half of them just sit in the spawn entrance instead of pushing with the Ppl who have guts. There were times today when YB had 30+ at the entrance to their spawn, and only 7-10 Mag but just SAT there sending salty whispers.

Logged into EBG & watched Mag farm YB at the spawn with a treb as a back up. Why anyone would run out to be farmed is beyond me. Oh well…maybe we’ll get linked to a server that people don’t hate with a passion next go ‘round. At least SWTOR has a double xp thing going so I guess I’ll be alt leveling for the week.

Alteros.3019:

Tell me about it. Although, I’m going to guess that at the very least your linked server’s entire WvW population didn’t take a hiatus from the match up because of personality differences. That makes for a loooong week when you’re being farmed at every corner of the map.

At least you’re not dealing with BG and TC like we are at JQ. Always blobbing everything…

Hi, yes, I would like to take credit for the amazing trebbing. Got 1,400 kills within two hours, so thank you for that YB. YB talks smack on the unofficial official wvw forums, so your EBG spawn is purgatory. If you have any concerns about the political actions of Maguuma and our top-tier strategies and tactics of spawn camping, you may mail your concerns to wikedtik.5681 who has taken puppet master control of Bloodie while Xushin is absent. Thank you.

Jeknar.6184:

Maguuma won’t give YB keep back because they hate YB (like pretty much every other server). And by making this rant thread you just doing exactly what they want you to do: spill salty tears.

Plenty of ppl on yb are enjoying the ebg zergling tears . So hopefully mag can keep it for a while longer. The weak will get purged or learn to play. Or best of all will learn not to worry too much. Anyway, keep it up , been a fun weekend.

Why don’t you play smart and make enemy bored? Probably fun camp some keep if nobody try to take it.

wikedtik.5681:

YB talks smack on the unofficial official wvw forums.

Does that forum infrac people?
if not i must go there at once

Spawn camping yaks bend is oddly therapeutic, you should all try it sometime!

Yb did this same thing to JQ, and it was all fun and games then. No, I don’t think it is a cool move. Do I think they will change the style of siege, I mean , play, nope. Do I think they will be humbled, nope. No Kittens given about YB tasting their own soup.

tym.3791:

So the enemy has held our keep for almost 2 Days now, Its so seiged up, not sure we will ever get it back.

I have played WvW for a long time, never seen someone take and defend a keep for such a long time. Normally, take it, defend it for maybe a Day, then let them have it back so there will be more fights. You dont wanna be so dominating that the other side simply stops playing. What fun is that??

So wont be playing this week, We are so out numbed, its no fun. So I guess they are just gonna have fun with no fights.

Thanks for killing the fun this week, enjoy your easy week my friend.

So what?

If the enemy keep defending something you want – especially something with long supply lines – walk around and hit something else. Once they become distracted and more spread out, a borderhop zerg can often swoop in and take the objective. This is simple tactics.

Whats definetly not gonna help is giving up. In large scale WvW a few people often wont make a noticable difference over the week, but we see this in micro scale in sPvP on a daily basis. Oh so 5 enemies met our 3 on central point and we lost? Thats it everyone but me sucks my team is kitten now I’m not gonna do anything else than kitten about how everyone sucks and people should go back to PvE.

Yes that will surely make people fight harder and improve the odds of making a comeback.

Dawdler.8521:

tym.3791:

Snip.

So what?

If the enemy keep defending something you want – especially something with long supply lines – walk around and hit something else. Once they become distracted and more spread out, a borderhop zerg can often swoop in and take the objective. This is simple tactics.

Whats definetly not gonna help is giving up. In large scale WvW a few people often wont make a noticable difference over the week, but we see this in micro scale in sPvP on a daily basis. Oh so 5 enemies met our 3 on central point and we lost? Thats it everyone but me sucks my team is kitten now I’m not gonna do anything else than kitten about how everyone sucks and people should go back to PvE.

Yes that will surely make people fight harder and improve the odds of making a comeback.

Except Mag has enough numbers to have a map blob on more than one map. And they claim to be a fight server but will zerg down 3 people taking a camp. By zerg I mean 30+. Mag doesn’t care about PPT or Fights all they care about is their KDR and will run from even number fights into their map blob just to win and protect their KDR.

Yeah, I’m observing this right now and Mag’s behavior is pretty bad. Spawn camping is horrid for the game mode. Does nothing but lower participation across the board. Hoping folks from BG and JQ see this and give them the same treatment in the future.

I remember when YB got the Mal transfers and did the same thing to what used to be a fights tier in T2. Maybe many of the players on Mag remember.

RyuDragnier.9476:

Alteros.3019:

Tell me about it. Although, I’m going to guess that at the very least your linked server’s entire WvW population didn’t take a hiatus from the match up because of personality differences. That makes for a loooong week when you’re being farmed at every corner of the map.

At least you’re not dealing with BG and TC like we are at JQ. Always blobbing everything…

A JQ player complaining about blobbing……..irony.

DeWolfe.2174:

Yeah, I’m observing this right now and Mag’s behavior is pretty bad. Spawn camping is horrid for the game mode. Does nothing but lower participation across the board. Hoping folks from BG and JQ see this and give them the same treatment in the future.

Well if a server manage to have the skill, dedication and coordination to simultaniously blockade the spawn on enemy borders with 70+ people each and blockade homeborder beyond the map limit (you need ~200-250 people to control citadel and would probably still have gaps small groups can slip through) and have the 100+ people required to blockade the wide EBG spawns…

I applaud that server because it literally broke the game.

RodOfDeath.5247:

RyuDragnier.9476:

Alteros.3019:

Tell me about it. Although, I’m going to guess that at the very least your linked server’s entire WvW population didn’t take a hiatus from the match up because of personality differences. That makes for a loooong week when you’re being farmed at every corner of the map.

At least you’re not dealing with BG and TC like we are at JQ. Always blobbing everything…

A JQ player complaining about blobbing……..irony.

A JQ player no more you mean…

Oh and Mag lost the YB keep and SM now in EB.

Dawdler.8521:

DeWolfe.2174:

Yeah, I’m observing this right now and Mag’s behavior is pretty bad. Spawn camping is horrid for the game mode. Does nothing but lower participation across the board. Hoping folks from BG and JQ see this and give them the same treatment in the future.

Well if a server manage to have the skill, dedication and coordination to simultaniously blockade the spawn on enemy borders with 70+ people each and blockade homeborder beyond the map limit (you need ~200-250 people to control citadel and would probably still have gaps small groups can slip through) and have the 100+ people required to blockade the wide EBG spawns…

I applaud that server because it literally broke the game.

Save them, it was just Mag spawn camping YB in EB. And, it’s not hard to do if there’s a 2v1.

Has MAG had our EBG keep for days now. YES. Is MAG defending it, Yes, wouldn’t any other server do the same thing. NO harm no foul so far. Is MAG using trebs to spawn camp YB. Well, kinda. There is several ways out of all spawns, they only have trebs covering one. Has YB done this kind of thing to other servers. I personally have not been involved in this kind of action, but I know of some former YB commanders ( no longer on YB server ) that have done this kind of thing. Am I kitten about this, Not really. I have learned long ago not to let this kind of action bother me. They will get tired of this just like the former YB commanders did in the past.

What does kitten me is when players use an exploit to go around walls and attempt to take keeps. They have been called out many times in the forums and so far nothing has been done. It is actions from a small group of players that give Servers a bad name.
Mag, this is nothing personally directed at your server, but you do have a small group of players that feel the need to use exploits to take keeps. I am not sure if you know about this, but it is being done.

Why not record it to prove someone is cheating? It’s VERY easy to install and press a button to record. I’ve sent vids to anet instead of call “cheater” without proof. 99% of the time it’s just misinformation, a L2p issue, not knowing all aspects of the game. I’m not calling you out per say, Grim Reaper, just saying make a recording(if it’s happening so much it should be easy to catch them), send it to exploits@arena.net. I hate cheaters as much as anyone. When I was on SoR a couple yrs ago I sent vids of my own server mates using speed hacks to Anet. Though it’s been a yr or so since I’ve seen WvW cheaters, though I’m sure they’re out there.

Hehe spawncamp dead YB server. Have enough blob left over to K-train dead FA server. Talk about how it’s somehow a “plan” and has to do with server loyalty instead of numbers.

JDjitsu.7895:

Why not record it to prove someone is cheating? It’s VERY easy to install and press a button to record. I’ve sent vids to anet instead of call “cheater” without proof. 99% of the time it’s just misinformation, a L2p issue, not knowing all aspects of the game. I’m not calling you out per say, Grim Reaper, just saying make a recording(if it’s happening so much it should be easy to catch them), send it to exploits@arena.net. I hate cheaters as much as anyone. When I was on SoR a couple yrs ago I sent vids of my own server mates using speed hacks to Anet. Though it’s been a yr or so since I’ve seen WvW cheaters, though I’m sure they’re out there.

As of right now, we only have recordings of them being in the keep with out gates or walls showing any damage. I happen to be in the keep at the time, it was never contested, they just showed up on inner. The keep I am talking about was never breached on the outer walls or gates before this happened. And yes, I am going to keep trying to catch them. I hate cheaters.

Swamurabi.7890:

I remember when YB got the Mal transfers and did the same thing to what used to be a fights tier in T2. Maybe many of the players on Mag remember.

Yeah they use to do that to SoS every reset. I remember even their fight guilds use to be out escorting yaks into hills and they would would have a ton of siege in there, holding it the entire weekend.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and YB did this more than enough times to others! time to take the medicine.

JDjitsu.7895:

Why not record it to prove someone is cheating? It’s VERY easy to install and press a button to record. I’ve sent vids to anet instead of call “cheater” without proof. 99% of the time it’s just misinformation, a L2p issue, not knowing all aspects of the game.

I’m not calling you out per say, Grim Reaper, just saying make a recording(if it’s happening so much it should be easy to catch them), send it to exploits@arena.net. I hate cheaters as much as anyone.

There’s a video made of mag players jumping the wall from outer to inner garrison. Whether or the guy who made it sent it in I don’t know, but it was posted in here a couple weeks ago and on youtube somewhere.

I thought too I would not play WvW this week because of first day was hell after new matchmaking… and even that our server is at last place atm, and we try to avoid Gandara (EU) blobs that run everywhere, we had good time today teasing them and our other opponent at BLs and even in EB.

Gandara blobs everywhere, and we are outnumbered everywhere most of the day but we sneaked and got our tick running. And thanks for bad matchmaking they were just trying to find big fights, (bored to trying to take keeps) so we splitted and took towers and keeps many times because they were still running as one blob whole time.

It’s a game, I am on YB and tbh YB deserving or not has earned the reputation. We are the most hated Server, before I was on YB and got to know the people I hated YB. This is a direct result of years of sitting in keeps/towers and refusing to come out and play the game. It’s unfortunate for those that did not play like that but I do get the reasoning behind.

It’s a bad match up, I would love to see Mag break the blobs up a bit so we can get some decent fights throughout the week.

You guys Miss fc yet?

Had some good fights against Mag in OCX last night… fights around YB keep and such. Good times.

Eleazar.9478:

You guys Miss fc yet?

I have said all along, YB /FC was a good pair. FC has many great players/Guilds that truly helped YB along the way. You are truly missed.

Ok, before this gets closed as a matchup thread…and speaking as a YB player since beta…

1) Taking and holding structures is the point of WvW. That is what YB has always done. It’s utterly ridiculous for anyone claiming to be a YB regular to have an issue with other servers doing what we’ve been doing for four years. The point is to GET other servers to play that way not to stop them. Great to see Mag getting on board!

2) Spawn camping is cheesy but standing around for hour after hour being spawn camped is plain idiotic. Not only does our spawn have five exits, there are three other maps! Go somewhere else! Do something else!

3) Which is what the EYE commander was doing for the three hours of EU prime I played on Saturday and Sunday evening. Taking stuff on FABL and fighting both FA and Mag, when Mag came over to help FA. The open field fights were some of the best for a long time and we even won some of them!

4) YB is always underpopulated on Weekends. Always has been. Mag is always hyperactive on weekends. Always has been. If you don’t like the weekend experience, take a short break and come back in the week. It will all change.

5) And if you think this is bad, think back to being run over by Kaineng, HoD or Dragonbrand back in their original bandwagon days. Forget not having a keep in EBG – we spent most of the week not being able to get out of Citadel!

This is a fun match. Mag and FA both hate YB (and not without good reason, either) and this is what to expect when we play either of them, let alone both. With DK absent it’s a bit more one-way than it might have been but it’s still far from a washout. Better than being in T1 with BG blobbing on all maps at once, that’s for sure.

Tiny Doom.4380:

2) Spawn camping is cheesy but standing around for hour after hour being spawn camped is plain idiotic.

So much this. You either pull together a force that can take on the campers, go around them, or go somewhere else.

I posted about this serious issue on Twitter. Hopefully it’ll raise awareness.
https://twitter.com/xirus115/status/798155795322040321

DeWolfe.2174:

Yeah, I’m observing this right now and Mag’s behavior is pretty bad. Spawn camping is horrid for the game mode. Does nothing but lower participation across the board. Hoping folks from BG and JQ see this and give them the same treatment in the future.

You must have seen YB doing this to JQ, the only reason this continued so long is due to wanting to give YB a taste of their own medicine.

morrolan.9608:

tym.3791:

So the enemy has held our keep for almost 2 Days now, Its so seiged up, not sure we will ever get it back.

I have played WvW for a long time, never seen someone take and defend a keep for such a long time. Normally, take it, defend it for maybe a Day, then let them have it back so there will be more fights. You dont wanna be so dominating that the other side simply stops playing. What fun is that??

So wont be playing this week, We are so out numbed, its no fun. So I guess they are just gonna have fun with no fights.

Thanks for killing the fun this week, enjoy your easy week my friend.

YB have done this to other servers so no pity.

I call BS.

Yak’s Bend doesn’t ally with and pay for their own players to move to a linked server with the promise of moving those same players back to their original server, if possible.

Now it’s not two servers against one. It’s now four and three servers against one in ANY tier.

Manipulation is easy if you can get the gold and they can and do.

JDjitsu.7895:

A tactic learned specifically from YB, that’s what makes it so delicious.

There were plenty of times YB had the numbers to take it back. But half of them just sit in the spawn entrance instead of pushing with the Ppl who have guts. There were times today when YB had 30+ at the entrance to their spawn, and only 7-10 Mag but just SAT there sending salty whispers.

Those ignorant player are now on other servers.

You need to understand that there are those like this on all servers and none one wants them and not many real WvW’ers agree with their tactics.

Don’t blame a whole server for those who have mostly left our server, it dishonors us all.

atheria.2837:

morrolan.9608:

tym.3791:

So the enemy has held our keep for almost 2 Days now, Its so seiged up, not sure we will ever get it back.

I have played WvW for a long time, never seen someone take and defend a keep for such a long time. Normally, take it, defend it for maybe a Day, then let them have it back so there will be more fights. You dont wanna be so dominating that the other side simply stops playing. What fun is that??

So wont be playing this week, We are so out numbed, its no fun. So I guess they are just gonna have fun with no fights.

Thanks for killing the fun this week, enjoy your easy week my friend.

YB have done this to other servers so no pity.

I call BS.

Yak’s Bend doesn’t ally with and pay for their own players to move to a linked server with the promise of moving those same players back to their original server, if possible.

Now it’s not two servers against one. It’s now four and three servers against one in ANY tier.

Manipulation is easy if you can get the gold and they can and do.

What does this have to do with Mag sieging up YB EB keep?

Sounds like they need to open BG to drain some players from Mag, so they can help break these long keep sieges and spawn camping.

Xenesis.6389:

Sounds like they need to open BG to drain some players from Mag, so they can help break these long keep sieges and spawn camping.

You know, that sounds like a plan to me. In fact, how about Anet adjusts Mag and YB up to kitten fight BG. That sounds like an awesome idea to me.

Hockey.2417:

Yb did this same thing to JQ, and it was all fun and games then. No, I don’t think it is a cool move. Do I think they will change the style of siege, I mean , play, nope. Do I think they will be humbled, nope. No Kittens given about YB tasting their own soup.

Oh dont even go there. Mag spends more time hiding behind siege then we do. Unless they out number us 3 to one they run every time we go after them.

They will jump up to T1 next week, My guess they get stomped. They can’t or don’t wanna fight open field. Not sure what happend to Dawn, they used to be pretty Good, but the time of day I play, we have taken them more than once.

Now that we understand how they play, things are allot better. Yea, we will get steam during NA, but other times of the night early morning, we been holding our own and taking there stuff.

but Mag has hS from JQ now and they carried the whole JQ NA as stated in another thread.

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