Guild Wars 2

I remained hopeful. I tried to be positive. Tried to keep the morale of my server up. But it wasn’t enough. We were a low pop server to begin with, and now the HoT changes it’s killed us.

Just after release of HoT, we lost a significant guild to a higher tier server. Saturday we lost our largest guild to a higher tier server. Sunday another guild plans to leave. Next weekend, the second largest guild is voting on leaving. Yet another guild has started deliberating on leaving and we expect them to do so.

The new maps and the changes to WvW as a result of the HoT expansion have killed us. The new auto-upgrade mechanics have decimated the borderlands. We were a low pop server to begin with, the new borderlands made that almost impossible to hold the borderlands objectives for any period of time now. We just don’t have the coverage.

With the departure of all our larger WvW guilds to higher tiers, looking for larger populations to help fill the maps, those remaining are completely demoralised. From tier 5 a few months ago, we’re about to hit T8.

Combined with the absolutely ludicrous changes the Guild Hall has forced upon us which are clearly disadvantaging smaller guilds, we’ve practically given up on WvW. The Guild Hall alone is so expensive that those of us in smaller guilds are never going to be able to gain anything that would help us in WvW as we did before. The ludicrous level 37 requirement for +5 supply? Are you seriously delusional?

Today one of the co-leaders of my guild informed me that he is not playing anymore. He’s not interested in PvD and hates that we’re being forced into PvE. He hates that the maps feel so completely empty. With the departure of the larger guilds, and the descent to lower tiers, that’s only going to get worse.

Being curious, I checked the guild roster. There are quite a few players that haven’t logged in to the game in between 2 and 3 weeks now. Our guild is dying. Our server is dying. Our community has given up and is either moving away, or quitting the game entirely.

So thank you, Anet. Thank you for destroying the game I enjoyed. I never played PvE or PvP. It was WvW I enjoyed. The chaos of unstructured skirmishes. Not blobs, but skirmishes. And now you’ve destroyed that for us. My server is a ghost land and WvW is merely where you go to get your dailies now.

That is exactly the same thing happening to me. I am in ET, you can tell i am even in a worse situation

Well to be fair you can’t even do your dalies in Wvw. Ruins master and vet slayer still can’t be bothered to be changed 17 days after it was recognized as a problem….. But then again they did say they were Wvw focused after expac so we can expect some changes soo………. Hahahahahaha T.T we are the unwanted stepchild.

TehHobNob.4687:

Well to be fair you can’t even do your dalies in Wvw. Ruins master and vet slayer still can’t be bothered to be changed 17 days after it was recognized as a problem….. But then again they did say they were Wvw focused after expac so we can expect some changes soo………. Hahahahahaha T.T we are the unwanted stepchild.

They nerfed the farm nodes, thats enough updates for 2 months. Fixing dailies will be done in january, 2017

I’m on a T2 server and it’s dead here as well. Last night at 10 EST on reset night and not a queue on a single BL.

Sorry after so many years of playing you finally had the same thing happen to your server that has happened to other servers over and over again.

Catch here is it has been happening for a long time now but we didn’t get a new xpac to toss all the blame at when it happened to us.

Offair.2563:

TehHobNob.4687:

Well to be fair you can’t even do your dalies in Wvw. Ruins master and vet slayer still can’t be bothered to be changed 17 days after it was recognized as a problem….. But then again they did say they were Wvw focused after expac so we can expect some changes soo………. Hahahahahaha T.T we are the unwanted stepchild.

They nerfed the farm nodes, thats enough updates for 2 months. Fixing dailies will be done in january, 2017

I don’t know about that. If we’re going of their track record for WvW achievements then we’ll have to wait for next xpac for that change. #2018HYPE lol

Come to T1 if it is still open. It is still often quiet but during main play hours there are some really good fights both small and large scale. Even the lag seems to be dying down a bit save for the massive three-way fights in SM.

T1 is less hopeful but not hopeless.

Kinthiri.9604:

I remained hopeful. I tried to be positive. Tried to keep the morale of my server up. But it wasn’t enough. We were a low pop server to begin with, and now the HoT changes it’s killed us.

Just after release of HoT, we lost a significant guild to a higher tier server. Saturday we lost our largest guild to a higher tier server. Sunday another guild plans to leave. Next weekend, the second largest guild is voting on leaving. Yet another guild has started deliberating on leaving and we expect them to do so.

The new maps and the changes to WvW as a result of the HoT expansion have killed us. The new auto-upgrade mechanics have decimated the borderlands. We were a low pop server to begin with, the new borderlands made that almost impossible to hold the borderlands objectives for any period of time now. We just don’t have the coverage.

With the departure of all our larger WvW guilds to higher tiers, looking for larger populations to help fill the maps, those remaining are completely demoralised. From tier 5 a few months ago, we’re about to hit T8.

Combined with the absolutely ludicrous changes the Guild Hall has forced upon us which are clearly disadvantaging smaller guilds, we’ve practically given up on WvW. The Guild Hall alone is so expensive that those of us in smaller guilds are never going to be able to gain anything that would help us in WvW as we did before. The ludicrous level 37 requirement for +5 supply? Are you seriously delusional?

Today one of the co-leaders of my guild informed me that he is not playing anymore. He’s not interested in PvD and hates that we’re being forced into PvE. He hates that the maps feel so completely empty. With the departure of the larger guilds, and the descent to lower tiers, that’s only going to get worse.

Being curious, I checked the guild roster. There are quite a few players that haven’t logged in to the game in between 2 and 3 weeks now. Our guild is dying. Our server is dying. Our community has given up and is either moving away, or quitting the game entirely.

So thank you, Anet. Thank you for destroying the game I enjoyed. I never played PvE or PvP. It was WvW I enjoyed. The chaos of unstructured skirmishes. Not blobs, but skirmishes. And now you’ve destroyed that for us. My server is a ghost land and WvW is merely where you go to get your dailies now.

Welcome to T8. Enjoy the PvD/YoYo effect.

Running a havoc guild previously. Anet has destroyed WvW for smaller guilds. We can’t take objectives because we can’t hold enough supplies, which we can’t upgrade because building a guild hall takes large guilds with multiple players working constantly. No one enjoys playing in the borderlands, EB is queued ridiculously. Did any of the Anet developers run with any smaller guilds while “testing out” WvW ? Or was it all zerg. I mean…even pulling the repair merchant from the EB keep and making us go to spawn.

gg

Phlogistn.7893:

Running a havoc guild previously. Anet has destroyed WvW for smaller guilds. We can’t take objectives because we can’t hold enough supplies, which we can’t upgrade because building a guild hall takes large guilds with multiple players working constantly. No one enjoys playing in the borderlands, EB is queued ridiculously. Did any of the Anet developers run with any smaller guilds while “testing out” WvW ? Or was it all zerg. I mean…even pulling the repair merchant from the EB keep and making us go to spawn.

gg

I don’t know about that. I literally took every keep on the BGBL last night with a 5 man team. They eventually brought their EB force over to try to take it all back.

If you will post a video of your group failing to take a keep, I will post a video of us taking that very same keep. My experience suggest it was an issue with tactics or player skill, and not the maps or mechanics, as I haven’t had issues with my group doing what your claiming cannot be done, and we did it just last night.

Straegen.2938:

Come to T1 if it is still open. It is still often quiet but during main play hours there are some really good fights both small and large scale. Even the lag seems to be dying down a bit save for the massive three-way fights in SM.

T1 is less hopeful but not hopeless.

YB is the only server that im aware gets the option to transfer few times per day

Maybe you succeeded with small guilds because of how dead the BLs are due to the new maps? Or maybe you enjoy the PvD? Who knows……OP’s point still stands. 37 level requirement for +5 supplies is simply ridiculous when it was so affordable previously.

Ultimaistanza.4793:

Offair.2563:

TehHobNob.4687:

Well to be fair you can’t even do your dalies in Wvw. Ruins master and vet slayer still can’t be bothered to be changed 17 days after it was recognized as a problem….. But then again they did say they were Wvw focused after expac so we can expect some changes soo………. Hahahahahaha T.T we are the unwanted stepchild.

They nerfed the farm nodes, thats enough updates for 2 months. Fixing dailies will be done in january, 2017

I don’t know about that. If we’re going of their track record for WvW achievements then we’ll have to wait for next xpac for that change. #2018HYPE lol

Fixing party options took them a good 18 months, quite sad for such a basic function in a MMO.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Maybe you succeeded with small guilds because of how dead the BLs are due to the new maps? Or maybe you enjoy the PvD? Who knows……OP’s point still stands. 37 level requirement for +5 supplies is simply ridiculous when it was so affordable previously.

Yeah, did the same on SF borderland last night. The only skill required honestly is someone knowing the map and the ability to not fall asleep during the process.

The only resistance we met was a DH group of four that I am not convinced knew the map well enough to find the entrance to the fire keep and a SF group of five that showed after most of the bl flipped. We met one SF warrior in the Lord room of their garrison and they defended NE tower successfully.

We were kind of sleepy. The siege took care of us. We were trying to get guild missions done for guild members who missed them.

Well, the dog transformation from the fire keep was fun.

Not exactly exciting times but just wanted a break from Silverwastes shovel farming at that point.

PvP is what the comunitly makes it. If your world or group is out for ppt then covages / pop the main way your going to win. If your out for “steam rolling” fights then pop is going to be the main way you win. If your out for “set fights” also know as “gvg” then skill and comp going to win it.

That RvR or open pvp what the players make of it.
What the new BL and effects (2 different things) have done is made long turn ppt more favorable then the krama train flipping.
Its also made blobbing up not the best and win all set up.
A lot of ppl before HoT where asking for this and it seems most of the players of wvw did not realy want this. I think the pvp comunitly dose not know what they want. Ppl want to blob up and steam roll over ppl and get objective with out a “real” fight. You may not like this but if most ppl did that means there pop will fall and you will have less ppl to fight there by making your wvw play lesser.

This is pretty depressing. I’m really sorry to hear it.

Things are looking up in T2, SoS. We’re still hurting bad but we’re starting to see more and more people playing. I think we’ll recover, but it sounds like it might be the end to lower tiers.

coglin.1867:

I don’t know about that. I literally took every keep on the BGBL last night with a 5 man team. They eventually brought their EB force over to try to take it all back.

If you will post a video of your group failing to take a keep, I will post a video of us taking that very same keep. My experience suggest it was an issue with tactics or player skill, and not the maps or mechanics, as I haven’t had issues with my group doing what your claiming cannot be done, and we did it just last night.

How long did it take you to get a fortified keep? I have done many 5 man attacks of fortified keeps with these changes.

You drop 1 superior ram at outer, finish it. Leave one person to start hitting the gate while the rest resupply so you can build a second. When 2 rams are hitting the gate, the 3 not on rams resupply to make sure you have enough to start inner. It takes you about 10 minutes to get through the outer gate with 2 superior rams. Once you’re inside, you have 4 people with 60 supply total, so you can build another superior ram. Leave one person hitting the gate while the other 4 go resupply to drop a second ram and build it. Thats another 10 minutes or so before that gate goes down.

In that time, chances are a defender has shown up to investigate, and either built defence siege, or are attacking from a strong upper position (the causeway by inner supply at lords room of Fire keep can drop AC fire on your head at the gates and walls, but you have to get to a very specific spot to fire back with a longbow ranger.) If you lose just one ram, you’ve effectively doubled the time it will take to get through that gate. More time for more defenders to answer the call.

Your alternative? Once every few hours (if you’re lucky enough to be on the map at the time) you might get to PvE your way through the Oasis event which might knock the gates down a bit and reduce the time it takes to get through them. But they’re still fortified and you’re still 5 people with very little supply.

At least with +5 you might have had a chance to get a superior and a paper ram built without having to run and resupply.

And the most annoying part? Chances are the borderland was absolutely empty for hours prior to your arrival. Chances are no one had been near those keeps since they were flipped and they simply auto upgraded. When you have a low population and can’t cover both BL and EB maps 24/7, a 2 hour gap is enough to lose your entire borderland and have it fully fortified against you when you do get the opportunity to play.

Yeah, it is possible to 5 man a keep. But stop being spurious with your facts.

Phlogistn.7893:

Running a havoc guild previously. Anet has destroyed WvW for smaller guilds. We can’t take objectives because we can’t hold enough supplies, which we can’t upgrade because building a guild hall takes large guilds with multiple players working constantly. No one enjoys playing in the borderlands, EB is queued ridiculously. Did any of the Anet developers run with any smaller guilds while “testing out” WvW ? Or was it all zerg. I mean…even pulling the repair merchant from the EB keep and making us go to spawn.

gg

Yeah, it feels like they never actually played WvW themselves before they implemented the changes. Or if they did play, it was solely in blobbing zergs rather than havoc or roaming. The new changes are clearly designed for at least 10 to 15 player groups or bigger. Can’t speak for other servers, but on ours, most of our groups were rarely above 5 people.

It just seems like Anet went “This will work on the big servers” and then ignored the lower populations and how this would affect them. Which is depressing.

Worse yet is the complete silence from Anet since HoT release regarding any of the issues that the WvW community has brought up. I’ve been checking every day hoping for at least a simple acknowledgement that they’ve heard what’s been said. Not action, just an acknowledgement. It has now been 3 weeks and the best we’ve gotten has been the harvesting nodes being nerfed? Wow… Priorities.

If they just said something, anything, that suggested they were at least considering the issues, that’d make a HUGE difference for a lot of people.

Sviel.7493:

This is pretty depressing. I’m really sorry to hear it.

Things are looking up in T2, SoS. We’re still hurting bad but we’re starting to see more and more people playing. I think we’ll recover, but it sounds like it might be the end to lower tiers.

Yeah, I think the lower tiers are effectively being killed off at this point. The population just cannot sustain WvW as it exists now.

The community we had on our server allowed us to weather most of the previous upheavals and we punched well above our size for quite a while. The new mechanics have ended that for us now.

5 man groups aren’t supposed to be taking keeps. That said, you absolutely can. You only need 7 people to put down two sup rams or run supply if you have less. Use of the laser event can make things easier.

spacepanda.4285:

5 man groups aren’t supposed to be taking keeps.

Say’s who? For three years it was totally acceptable for a small, organised group to ninja large structures. It was some of the most fun gameplay available and was very easy to counter!

See this is the part about WvW that some people just don’t seem to get. It’s about players fighting EACH OTHER over territory. The NPC’s, maps and structures should complement this concept, not over shadow it. We don’t need extra thick walls, lasers, jump pads and break bars. They just get in the way.

The old borderlands did a pretty kitten good job of this which is why the WvW community has remained so strong even though very little has changed in that time. All they had to do was give us some variety, if possible confront some of the more pressing problems (pop imbalance for example), and give the same level of incentive as other game modes.

Instead… here’s 5 silverwastes covered in pve. Enjoy!

I’m part of a WvW guild but I’ve also been part of a PvE guild since launch. This particular PvE guild does guild missions Sunday noon PST since the expansion.

After the PvE missions we take them into WvW to complete the WvW missions. It’s only been two weeks so far, but both weeks the outcome has been the same: we start by taking a camp, then a tower, then a keep, and no one shows up to defend.

Earlier today we went to TCBL, took their T3 palace keep, and not a single solitary soul showed up to try and stop us. We rammed down two fortified gates with normal rams, it took forever, but no one showed up to defend so we took the keep anyway.

All I can say is that every time I’ve tried to play the new desert borderlands the result has been boring. No one to fight, nothing to do. Once upon a time taking TC’s T3 keep would have been exciting. Now no one cares. It’s just another PvE event basically. And this is in tier 2. If tier 2 is dead, it means that most likely tiers 3-8 are dead too.

Participation and interest are flagging, so is activity, so is the community. I understand that Anet can’t make big changes quickly, but they can at least acknowledge the issue right? I want WvW to succeed. If you don’t believe anything else, believe that. I’ve been roaming in the new maps for the specific purpose of learning them and providing content for opposing servers, but my endurance is running out here.

spacepanda.4285:

5 man groups aren’t supposed to be taking keeps.

Meanwhile, In pre-HoT Underworld : 2 MAN ALL THE THINGS

3 years, they show absolutely zero love and zero support to this game mode. It deserves to die.

Kinthiri.9604:

Worse yet is the complete silence from Anet since HoT release regarding any of the issues that the WvW community has brought up. I’ve been checking every day hoping for at least a simple acknowledgement that they’ve heard what’s been said. Not action, just an acknowledgement. It has now been 3 weeks and the best we’ve gotten has been the harvesting nodes being nerfed? Wow… Priorities.

If they just said something, anything, that suggested they were at least considering the issues, that’d make a HUGE difference for a lot of people.

I’ve been checking daily for responses too. They made a detailed response to the Fractals forum a couple days ago. No idea why there hasn’t been one in this forum.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Upcoming-Fractal-Changes/first#post5756042

Exciton.8942:

3 years, they show absolutely zero love and zero support to this game mode. It deserves to die.

I keep getting this sinking feeling haunting the back of my mind that you’re right… that this was some kind of last ditch effort… that their lack of response to this forum means they’ve given up on WvW too.

Im sorry for your post and i feel the same.. it hurts inside me that wvw is going down.

Can i have your stuff ? Plsss

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Maybe you succeeded with small guilds because of how dead the BLs are due to the new maps? Or maybe you enjoy the PvD? Who knows……OP’s point still stands. 37 level requirement for +5 supplies is simply ridiculous when it was so affordable previously.

37 requirement and 5g everytime to activate +5 supply.
I can’t write here what I’m saying about it and wvw changes in general in RL. >;|

Fuzzion.2504:

Can i have your stuff ? Plsss

I’m going to hang in there until May of 2016. If things haven’t improved, you just might find your inbox full of some goodies from me… ’cause I will have walked away from GW2 for good.

Fellfoot.8156:

Exciton.8942:

3 years, they show absolutely zero love and zero support to this game mode. It deserves to die.

I keep getting this sinking feeling haunting the back of my mind that you’re right… that this was some kind of last ditch effort… that their lack of response to this forum means they’ve given up on WvW too.

You must be new to this place,welcome.

Siliconmana.3816:

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Maybe you succeeded with small guilds because of how dead the BLs are due to the new maps? Or maybe you enjoy the PvD? Who knows……OP’s point still stands. 37 level requirement for +5 supplies is simply ridiculous when it was so affordable previously.

37 requirement and 5g everytime to activate +5 supply.
I can’t write here what I’m saying about it and wvw changes in general in RL. >;|

The +5 is an aura actually and it’s attached to your claim along with the stat buffs power toughness precision vitality, magic find, wvw exp, and 25% run speed. It’s the other tactic upgrades such as hardened gates, that require scribing schematics.

Exciton.8942:

3 years, they show absolutely zero love and zero support to this game mode. It deserves to die.

As much as I may not prefer the new BL for WvW purposes, someone put A LOT of love and effort into creating it. We should consider that while presenting our opinions on it.

DeWolfe.2174:

Exciton.8942:

3 years, they show absolutely zero love and zero support to this game mode. It deserves to die.

As much as I may not prefer the new BL for WvW purposes, someone put A LOT of love and effort into creating it. We should consider that while presenting our opinions on it.

Yes, someone clearly put a lot of love into the new maps, the question is, Who the hell told them its a good map for WvW

DeWolfe.2174:

Exciton.8942:

3 years, they show absolutely zero love and zero support to this game mode. It deserves to die.

As much as I may not prefer the new BL for WvW purposes, someone put A LOT of love and effort into creating it. We should consider that while presenting our opinions on it.

The same could be said about developing most things, such as weaponising anthrax, dirty bombs, etc. Doesn’t make them any better. (I’m feeling a little extreme this morning).

@Kinthiri.9604
I agree, good statement that is valid for many WvW communities.

@Phlogistn.7893
Yes small guilds get more and more useless. So is it Wars vs Small Guilds or Guild Wars?

New Borderlands: Design over Function.

I know their main attention is on PvE currently, well TBH it always was, but when is this “focus” on WvW stuff they discussed gonna happen? Surely they have more time now that HoT is out the door to concentrate on other areas of the game.

At this rate I don’t think this will be the last goodbye thread we see this week.

To the OP, I don’t want your stuff, as a WvW player you probably don’t have anything worth more than a few silver anyways. May your road ahead be more lucrative than the road you left behind.

Edit to add:

DeWolfe.2174:

Exciton.8942:

3 years, they show absolutely zero love and zero support to this game mode. It deserves to die.

As much as I may not prefer the new BL for WvW purposes, someone put A LOT of love and effort into creating it. We should consider that while presenting our opinions on it.

You can tell that someone put lots of love into the new maps, and I too commend them for the effort as they are quite stunning to see. However as a WvW player ascetics can only go so far and you need to look at the practicality of the entire map.

They, once again, needed to discuss the new maps with the community before making it IMO. We all like surprises, but they need to follow some norms and a CDI would have gone much further than this little surprise they sprung on us. I was never invited to the beta of this new map, but I find it hard to believe that those that were did not voice their disappointment with it.

Also while I am discussing the new map I need to mention EotM. It seems to me that anything that has any possibility to disrupt PvE is immediately addressed. However with EotM we were given a full on k-train map complete with guilds being set up to exploit the map. This in essence made ranks irreverent for everyone; if they made levels irreverent in PvE I am sure they would address it quickly. Because this is only WvW it has been put on the back burner for so long now that granting any retroactive rewards becomes just as meaningless. BAH, sorry but honestly ANet if you had only set up communication with US we could have avoided 90% of the current problems we have. As for a remedy, at this point I cannot say, as the damage may be to great and a great number of players have already moved on. The bright side to ANet though is the only ones left are the k-trainers they seem to want to cater too.

/rant

Not much to add. Our guild is down to four active players and theres no attept to reach guild goals annymore. We were roamers with ocasional zerg leading by our experienced siege comander. Now many even don´t login anymore. I meet more in WvW now after the first HOT weeks but its less then before and guildmates don´t come back.
So i roam paired with a friend now and solo. Unless i realy try to meet enemy romers i can solo PvE in WvW for an hour … I don´t give up and will try to merge guilds but it looks like HOT is a massive hit in the WvW base with players leaving GW2.
But i think WvW is the core endgame for GW2. More important then sPvP. There is a much larger playerbase. IT´s not the pro gamer base its the larger RPG, casual and PvE base that like to use their equiped and customized toons out of PvE. Its the place of GUILDS.

More deleted posts… wow.

Really sad to hear about the lower tiers struggling.

EBG is still occasionally fun in T2 (luckily for us).

Having been in a sort of community management? position while big guilds are leaving can be tough so I empathize. WvW is a long game though and your server will bounce back. You shouldn’t let what’s happening now get you down. Over time, new people will arrive.

I started a topic about the lack of Anet responses in WvW. It got infracted. Apparently, they don’t enjoy being called out. At least, on the upside, deleted posts/topics means SOMEBODY is reading through this forum at least.

I finally buckled and got HoT. I thought, if I couldn’t enjoy WvW because everyone was PVEing, then I would at least get elite specs for some of my characters. But PVE seems like it’s dying too. HoT maps that are less and less populated as the days go on. People getting tired of the same events over and over in an unending cycle of Candy Crush-like repetition. Go read some of the topics in the HoT forum. Sad.

Based on the seeming lack of interest from Anet, I would assume they wouldn’t mind at all if WvW just up and died off completely.

Hey I hear ya though my server is fairly decently sized I used to enjoy going with small teams of 2-3 capturing keeps pulling zergs ect. When has Anet ever given wvw the attention it deserves? I am sorry to hear about your server. I know I don’t even bother with it now unless my guild goes.

The fact that you can transfer to a T1 server now, really says it all, after 3 years Anet finally killed WvW, id say that within the next 6-9 months they will remove the format from the game, stating it no longer fits their views of what WvW should be,

For those who did WvW, you will probably find more battles in EotM, smaller maps, faster to respawn and get back to the zerg vs zerg battles.

I was on a T1 EU server before the new maps, now we are T3, there is no one on the home BL’s not even after reset, everyone has stopped, unless they can get into EB.

At this point they should just cut there losses and close WvW down, admit they made a mistake, and either go back to the drawing board, or admit defeat and pull the plug completely, and just push EotM ( seeing as its seeing more WvW action than the WvW maps ).

Yeah Anet wether it be through intention, ignorance or jsut being out of touch with the entire community have effectively killed WvW, it’s a walking dead man wating forthe final few neurons to fizzle out and die.

DeWolfe.2174:

Exciton.8942:

3 years, they show absolutely zero love and zero support to this game mode. It deserves to die.

As much as I may not prefer the new BL for WvW purposes, someone put A LOT of love and effort into creating it. We should consider that while presenting our opinions on it.

True, true.
It “looks” nice, just does not work.
I made this suggestion in another thread but considers what you are saying and maybe would be a viable alternative if they choose to not go back to old wvw maps.

I wouldn’t mind keeping the desert map, just delete the entire south half of it.
One large keep or the upper 3 keeps to defend. That’s it. Nothing else.
No towers, no shrines, no pve “stuff”, just supply and keeps.
It would remind me of my favorite mmo “Archlord” where all players converge on one area to attack or defend inflame castle, twaqua, or the other one, forgot the name.
Whoever won each week was able to control taxes for the main cities as reward, thus affecting pve players… thus, a motivation to win each week. You win, you get paid and your pve brethren pay less fees at the trading post to buy/sale.

Since wvw players are forced to pve, lets force pve’rs to wvw to maintain the economy…considering that is the only reason i see to pve (loot).

Well death has come to all tiers now…basically this has been life on lower tiers for years.

Only changes are now it takes 45 min to solo a fortifyed tower.

Good thing is catas are cheap on trade,,,cause no one uses them anymore.

and im happy we still have EB otherwise i was finished playing GW2..for sure

Ok I Did It.2854:

The fact that you can transfer to a T1 server now, really says it all, after 3 years Anet finally killed WvW, id say that within the next 6-9 months they will remove the format from the game, stating it no longer fits their views of what WvW should be,

For those who did WvW, you will probably find more battles in EotM, smaller maps, faster to respawn and get back to the zerg vs zerg battles.

I was on a T1 EU server before the new maps, now we are T3, there is no one on the home BL’s not even after reset, everyone has stopped, unless they can get into EB.

At this point they should just cut there losses and close WvW down, admit they made a mistake, and either go back to the drawing board, or admit defeat and pull the plug completely, and just push EotM ( seeing as its seeing more WvW action than the WvW maps ).

Theres still the chance of reverting back…All of it,get the old bl’s back and get rid of that kittening kittened kitten automated upgrade system ( the one that thought of that,go kitten yourself ).Infract me,i dont give a kitten,you idiots killed wvw for what it was because you cannot for the kittening life of you communicate with your players or know what they want,even if you do you ignore it and go the complete other way.I really feel like ive wasted 40 bucks on Hot,the pve sucks,my warri spec sucks kitten and wvw is a kittening kittenhole.

DeWolfe.2174:

Exciton.8942:

3 years, they show absolutely zero love and zero support to this game mode. It deserves to die.

As much as I may not prefer the new BL for WvW purposes, someone put A LOT of love and effort into creating it. We should consider that while presenting our opinions on it.

Put a lot of love into the aesthetics but not a lot of thought into the design as a wargame.

DeWolfe.2174:

Exciton.8942:

3 years, they show absolutely zero love and zero support to this game mode. It deserves to die.

As much as I may not prefer the new BL for WvW purposes, someone put A LOT of love and effort into creating it. We should consider that while presenting our opinions on it.

It’s a great map. It’s just not a great WvW map. I don’t know why they reversed course from alpine maps to; first EotM, and now the desert BLs. The alpine map, while far from perfect, at least was situated so that players could more easily find one another. I don’t want to navigate too much while also looking for foes to fight, watching out for gankers, and otherwise doing WvW activities.

It’s not that hard. Three spawns, 2-3 towers per spawn, 2-3 supply camps per spawn, and a central keep. For all I care toss in some strategic areas to control along with the basic structures, but make it small enough to find some fights, and to promote some action.

It’s like they still think there are tons of 300+ member WvW guilds out and about able to farm for flax and shovels all the while making sure the BLs are hopping. There aren’t, and it looks like there won’t be ever again.