Guild Wars 2

To be fair, the server is green because it is winning consistently, not winning because it is green.

Green > Blue > Red is the expected outcome of every match. Highest ranked server in a match is green. So… the rating system is working.

Anet needs to make the winner move up one spot and the loser down a spot. No teams will move unless there is a shock to the Elo rankings like a server all transfering away.

As of right now, 5 of the 8 tiers will have at least 1 different world playing on them next week. Can’t say you’re not seeing some movement

Rising Dusk.2408:

To be fair, the server is green because it is winning consistently, not winning because it is green.

A lot of the green servers are halfway between the brackets in terms of relative power. What I mean by that is that they crush their opponents when they are green, but when they move up they get crushed by their opponents when they are red.

Isaac.6041:

The Green team is the winner 16 out of 17 matches this week.

What a nice balance of matches ArenaNet. I guess if you want to win then you better be green.

That’s as backwards as saying that if the Charlotte Bobcats want to win a lot of games they’d better be in first place. What kind of school system did you come from?

Arcadio.6875:

Green > Blue > Red is the expected outcome of every match. Highest ranked server in a match is green. So… the rating system is working.

But only in wvw is the expected outcome true 99% of the time.

How is it possible that a server winning it’s tier by 2x the points of the other 2 servers will loose rating? Sorrow’s Furnace for example from this week is ahead 221-125-120 and despite this they are loosing 51 rating? How are they ever going to move up if winning doesn’t increase their rating?

Drakh.3128:

How is it possible that a server winning it’s tier by 2x the points of the other 2 servers will loose rating? Sorrow’s Furnace for example from this week is ahead 221-125-120 and despite this they are loosing 51 rating? How are they ever going to move up if winning doesn’t increase their rating?

Because they didn’t win big enough.

MrLT.6028:

Drakh.3128:

How is it possible that a server winning it’s tier by 2x the points of the other 2 servers will loose rating? Sorrow’s Furnace for example from this week is ahead 221-125-120 and despite this they are loosing 51 rating? How are they ever going to move up if winning doesn’t increase their rating?

Because they didn’t win big enough.

It’s more because the servers they are playing are low rated so they don’t get much credit for even crushing them. The system doesn’t work. DR was the top server in T8 for 8 weeks and once they got out of that prison they went up to T4 in just a few weeks blowing out the teirs that were above them.

Bad system is bad.

Oozo.7856:

A lot of the green servers are halfway between the brackets in terms of relative power. What I mean by that is that they crush their opponents when they are green, but when they move up they get crushed by their opponents when they are red.

From firsthand experience, I certainly agree with you. Still, I guess my only point made toward the OP is that being green doesn’t give you an unfair advantage over other servers. Your color is a result of your server’s competency (numerically and strategically), not the cause of it.

MrLT.6028:

Drakh.3128:

How is it possible that a server winning it’s tier by 2x the points of the other 2 servers will loose rating? Sorrow’s Furnace for example from this week is ahead 221-125-120 and despite this they are loosing 51 rating? How are they ever going to move up if winning doesn’t increase their rating?

Because they didn’t win big enough.

but they dont belong in t8! obviously! theyve won every week since week 2 of their stay! by kittens of points!

Rising Dusk.2408:

Oozo.7856:

A lot of the green servers are halfway between the brackets in terms of relative power. What I mean by that is that they crush their opponents when they are green, but when they move up they get crushed by their opponents when they are red.

From firsthand experience, I certainly agree with you. Still, I guess my only point made toward the OP is that being green doesn’t give you an unfair advantage over other servers. Your color is a result of your server’s competency (numerically and strategically), not the cause of it.

Right, there is no advantage to just simply being green.

Green is an OP color. Nerf the color green, please.

You think it’s easy being green? Let me tell you… it’s not.

Call me crazy, but shouldn’t the strongest team be the one with the handicap (= red), and the weakest team the one with the best position (= green)?

I realise the color starting zones are a result of what you earned previously, but this system goes against my gut feeling of creating the most balanced match possible each time.

Give other bonuses to the winning teams, but bonuses that don’t necessarily give them even more advantage in the next match.

My system has a downfall: the second team could try to drop below the last one to be green instead of blue next time.
But since the last team could do the same ‘dropping’, I guess it’s not the biggest issue.

For actual position, Red does have the advantage (Red overlook on EB is one of the hardest keeps to take and easiest to hold, Green keep on EB is one of the easiest to take. Borderlands balance out due to everyone getting each keep, at least at reset).

If anything I think this highlights a sickness in the rating system.

Winning teams have an easy time staying on top of their bracket.
They have a hard time breaking through to the next bracket.

I feel like there has to be some sort of artificial churn put in place just to improve the health of the ratings.

Isaac.6041:

The Green team is the winner 16 out of 17 matches this week.

Working as intended: the server with stronger WvW capacity won last week, and then won this week. This means the brackets are mostly accurate.

Good thread.

Not sure if this thread is serius.

In related news 17 out of 17 winning servers had the most points at the end of the week. When will this madness ever end Anet???

insanemaniac.2456:

MrLT.6028:

Drakh.3128:

How is it possible that a server winning it’s tier by 2x the points of the other 2 servers will loose rating? Sorrow’s Furnace for example from this week is ahead 221-125-120 and despite this they are loosing 51 rating? How are they ever going to move up if winning doesn’t increase their rating?

Because they didn’t win big enough.

but they dont belong in t8! obviously! theyve won every week since week 2 of their stay! by kittens of points!

But they’re beating much weak teams, so they won’t get much ranking credit for it. Check out how the Glicko-2 rating system works on Wikipedia. You get more points for beating a team higher in the rankings than you are … less points for beating a team lower than you. Unless SF gets the opportunity to show what they can do against a stronger team they won’t ever get enough additional ranking points to move into T7, and since ANet was dumb enough to try to apply the Glicko-2 formula to a tiered system SF will never get that chance. There are lots of us here on these forums that predicted this would happen … we call it “tier-locking”. The Glicko-2 system even assigns a penalty for inconsistency, so if SF roflstomps ET and FC one week then beats them by only a bit the next week they could actually lose rating points. It’s a kittened up system.

I’d rather see winner move up loser move down.
I’m okay with alternating between winning and losing instead of doing the same kitten thing every week… it gets old, and makes the game a bit stale IMO.

Slamz.5376:

If anything I think this highlights a sickness in the rating system.

Winning teams have an easy time staying on top of their bracket.
They have a hard time breaking through to the next bracket.

I feel like there has to be some sort of artificial churn put in place just to improve the health of the ratings.

You are correct, except that doing so would also create some nasty blowouts.

EasymodeX.4062:

Isaac.6041:

The Green team is the winner 16 out of 17 matches this week.

Working as intended: the server with stronger WvW capacity won last week, and then won this week. This means the brackets are mostly accurate.

Good thread.

It only means that the rankings within a bracket are mostly accurate … it doesn’t mean that the brackets are mostly accurate. If you can’t understand that you don’t understand how the Glicko-2 system works in a tiered environment.

Cactus.2710:

Slamz.5376:

If anything I think this highlights a sickness in the rating system.

Winning teams have an easy time staying on top of their bracket.
They have a hard time breaking through to the next bracket.

I feel like there has to be some sort of artificial churn put in place just to improve the health of the ratings.

You are correct, except that doing so would also create some nasty blowouts.

Worse than the current blowouts I assume you mean.

It needs to be clear that the problem isn’t green winning most of the time. The green server is the highest ranked server in each tier, so they are more likely to win.

The problem is that, despite green winning the vast majority of matchups, the following week’s matchups are largely unchanged.

Eviator.9746:

The problem is that, despite green winning the vast majority of matchups, the following week’s matchups are largely unchanged.

Except that this isn’t the case at all, on the NA side 6 out of 8 tiers will see a new server joining next week.

I’ve been watching it since free transfers ended. This week is the first where more than 2 servers are set to switch tiers. Obviously this is because of the rating system. However until next week, almost all the servers that are green this week have won 5 weeks in a row, while almost all the servers that are red or blue this week have lost 5 weeks in a row. Not cool.

I guess we’ll see in a week’s time by how many of the new matchups end up creating blowouts.

So you made a post about the winning team winning? Are you that bored or just dont understand the word WIN?

gotta love how every single point is green when i entered eternal battlegrounds to have some fun and can’t step a foot out. i wonder why is it called eternal battlegrounds