Guild Wars 2

Guardians are so overpowered! I can’t believe that this class has gone unnerfed for so long! Multiple heals, insane damage absorption through multiple blocks and condition removal for days, a Guardian can grind out the win against multiple opponents with ease, not to mention their ability to help the group. When they down an opponent, bam, stability stomp (sooooooo OP), an ability that renders my downed skills useless. This class can literally solo any other class if you play it correctly and quite frankly I think it needs a nerf badly.
Now, I know people are going to come in here and make fun of me for it, but I’ve got an 80 Guardian too so my opinion is just as correct as theirs (maybe even more correct since mine is negative) and anyone actually defending the Guardian? Just OP Guardians wanting to stay OP, which makes sense, I suppose if I mainly played the most OP class in the game I’d want it to stay that way too.

Guardians are good but not the best at nearly every aspect of the game. The only thing they really have is the ability to stay alive longer than anyone else. If they take away survivability, damage will have to be increased.

What they should really do is leave Guard/Thief/Ele alone and bring other classes up to par with these 3.

Again, it’s coming from a thief. I will tell you what you have been telling others

L2P

Every class is op in some way so plz stop complaining about a class that you cant kill just because you havent got enough skill.

Thieves and warriors just recieved an ability to steal boons and do upto 30% extra damage on boon guardians… as a guardian’s primary role is support, thats pretty much all guardians…

I think the only class that needs buffing is Ranger.

I still die, just not as fast as Glass cannons. I have no idea why some one would play a glass cannon in WvW anyway.

Aeonblade.8709:

What they should really do is leave Guard/Thief/Ele alone and bring other classes up to par with these 3.

That cuts on two ways, the reason those 3 are over the top is because well they are. Thieves access to stealth is too high, now if you make any build other than D/D burst the class is fine. Elementalist got too many cool downs at their disposal to really be called balanced. Guardians are just fail proof in Pvp, I main one at the moment and with some random temple pieces and green crafted accessories I can easily go 1 v 5 and stand there sucking damage and killing until help arrives, if down state didn’t exist this would change quite a lot, I don’t even use a well made build as I barely know the class enough to go into a serious build lol.

Bottom line is aside from elementalist, most of these classes only need minor changes to be balanced in terms of game mechanics. If they reduced the power of protection say to 20% and removed retaliation from the guardian then I’d say the guardian would fine. In fact I would remove retaliation from guardians and give them to the warriors, this would make both classes do their roles and not over power one while making the other well useless.

@Littlefeather: Ranger are fine, almost perfectly balanced, their only real issue is the PET AI not being 100% accurate, other than that I play ranger and destroy people in Spvp and WvW lol. I’m not a glass cannon though. If you make glass cannons able to survive they’ll stop being glass cannons don’t you think?

Gaurdians ha! My necro laughs at them! Boon your self, yes do it! Those will be your own end! (spinal shivers and corrupt boon for the win)

guardian got nerfed since release…

guardian need a buff. he is the only class that has no option to a range and a condition build.

Not like my thief can jump into a 30 man zerg first and always survive by daggerstorming with malice signet on.

Littlefeather.8623:

I think the only class that needs buffing is Ranger.

I still die, just not as fast as Glass cannons. I have no idea why some one would play a glass cannon in WvW anyway.

I would indeed like a buff to Rangers, but I definitely have no problem holding my own in small group or 1v1 situations… especially if you a bunker/regen build. If you want more roaming you can use sword/dagger and shortbow (similar to spvp) if you want more zerg related abilities you can run axe/warhorn and longbow…I usually swap the axe for the sword (gives extra evades when you run 1v1), but keep the longbow for barrage and zerg fighting. I would like to see a slight damage buff to rangers, but overall I think they are pretty balanced.

Guardians have this strange problem (I main on a guardian, btw).

We either are built for great survivability and have middling damage…or we trait for damage and then other than a few boons we collapse under fire. Let me remind you that guardians share the smallest health pool in the game with thieves…

I can survive a LONG time in a 1v1 with my current build, but my damage is iffy. I have around 1900 toughness and around 2200 vitality, which makes me tanky, and gives me 24k health. The food buffs I use are +prec/toughness and maintenance oil for more prec. Without that food, I deal hardly any notable damage. With the food, I’m still not all that good for damage.

All my trinkets are the “all stats on one” stuff, which does help with damage a bit…but my power/prec still run around 1500, which isn’t all that fantastic.

It’s a commander build, really. (I use the new sentinel P/T/+V armor)

The thing is, it’s still not OP. Yes, it’s hella hard to kill me, but I don’t stand a great chance of killing you. I really work best in a group, where I can survive, and hand out active and passive boons to those around me. I believe this is exactly the purpose of the Guardian class, especially if you look at the info page: https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/professions/guardian/

Theres a thing called kiting and not being glass canon. Just a word of advise. Guardians have mediocre range weapon sets that you can kite them without having to fear the range attack.

Be smart on when to burst them down and as a thief, you should not have problems with them. The outcome should mostly be either you kill the guardian or you can’t kill each other.

And also, we have an invisibility stomp and maybe try using a pistol, the aoe blind stomp is pretty good aswell.

Youre forgetting why a lot of people play Guardian in the first place, its so we can outllast the glass cannon trying to down us. We dont have a lot of mobility and we certainly can not burst down people, unless were glass ourselves, but being glass cannon is so limiting.

Guardians are just fine. They are probably the best balanced class in the game.

OMG….I thought this post was one of those joke titles where his post says “Hah!!! Gotcha to look didn’t I!!!!” and then go on a rant about something else. But he’s SERIOUS! ROFL.

As others have said, L2P. Guardians are in no way OP. LOL.

Tis the season to be funny….kittenolol lolol lol lol…..

Lol troll thread.

Let’s nerf all classes for all noobs. Make one class, with no different type of builds or setups at all.

Noobs will always complain to nerf this and that.

I will say, though, that this is the first time I’ve ever seen someone refer to Guardians as “OP.”

Hickeroar.9734:

I will say, though, that this is the first time I’ve ever seen someone refer to Guardians as “OP.”

i agree, im flattered tbh.

S/D thief spamming 3 on a guardian is just lol. The reality is good players make classes OP.

Lyonell.1753:

Aeonblade.8709:

What they should really do is leave Guard/Thief/Ele alone and bring other classes up to par with these 3.

That cuts on two ways, the reason those 3 are over the top is because well they are. Thieves access to stealth is too high, now if you make any build other than D/D burst the class is fine. Elementalist got too many cool downs at their disposal to really be called balanced. Guardians are just fail proof in Pvp, I main one at the moment and with some random temple pieces and green crafted accessories I can easily go 1 v 5 and stand there sucking damage and killing until help arrives, if down state didn’t exist this would change quite a lot, I don’t even use a well made build as I barely know the class enough to go into a serious build lol.

Bottom line is aside from elementalist, most of these classes only need minor changes to be balanced in terms of game mechanics. If they reduced the power of protection say to 20% and removed retaliation from the guardian then I’d say the guardian would fine. In fact I would remove retaliation from guardians and give them to the warriors, this would make both classes do their roles and not over power one while making the other well useless.

@Littlefeather: Ranger are fine, almost perfectly balanced, their only real issue is the PET AI not being 100% accurate, other than that I play ranger and destroy people in Spvp and WvW lol. I’m not a glass cannon though. If you make glass cannons able to survive they’ll stop being glass cannons don’t you think?

What you suggest about retalition and protection would gut what little uses guardians have as a boon bot. I have been playing my guardian in WvW the past 2 months solid, and honestly guardians are in a decent spot. Some areas could use some work still, and it’s like some else said, we either build tanky and do sub par damage or build glass cannon and fold over like grass.

Really boons are the best thing we bring to the table and the nerf last patch made it even harder to do that.

Guardians are fine, if you play one you will understand, especially after the boon nerf. Now engineers…rangers… non bunker eles…all of these things need improvements.

Hickeroar.9734:

I will say, though, that this is the first time I’ve ever seen someone refer to Guardians as “OP.”

ROFL. Agree, and I thought the same thing and is why I thought the title was a joke! Guess it is in a way……. ;-)

guardian is not op, if you thief: steal boon (you will surprised you have ton of boon from guardian), if you necro: you know what I mean :p.

Gravy.7589:

S/D thief spamming 3 on a guardian is just lol. The reality is good players make classes OP.

I almost said the same thing.

I’ve faced down D/D eles and wiped the floor with them 1v1.

I’ve also had D/D eles run circles around a group of five of us, and get away unscathed.

Sorry, duplicate post. /delete

So really what the original poster is saying is, nerf the good players!!

EDIT: ANET wants to replace every word with Kitten. So basically, kitten, kitten, kitten, kitten, kitten…… kitten

Gravy.7589:

The reality is good players make classes OP.

^^^^ Very well said.

And yeah….noob Thief who is used to spamming 3 FTW comes here and QQ about Guard being OP.

I’ll be LOL’ing about this all day. Thanks! :-)

Stay tuned for the next thread “Ranger killed me. Nerf Rangers!!”

Gravy.7589:

So really what the original poster is saying is, nerf the good players!!

EDIT: ANET wants to replace every word with Kitten. So basically, kitten, kitten, kitten, kitten, kitten…… kitten

Lol… Please nerf good players, they should get over 9000% stats reduction and we kitten players get buff over 9000% stats.

Zgorzel.4902:

Stay tuned for the next thread “Ranger killed me. Nerf Rangers!!”

Dolyak killed me, nerf dolyak please….

deviller.9135:

Gravy.7589:

So really what the original poster is saying is, nerf the good players!!

EDIT: ANET wants to replace every word with Kitten. So basically, kitten, kitten, kitten, kitten, kitten…… kitten

Lol… Please nerf good players, they should get over 9000% stats reduction and we kitten players get buff over 9000% stats.

Time to save the 100 laurels for that tonic and run around as a kitten! I could use that 9000% buff!

kitten, kitten kitten kitten, kitten.

Well, this is the most blatant troll thread yet.

Oh wait, you are not trolling? Thief complaining about Guardians?

Wow… Just wow.

Hickeroar.9734:

deviller.9135:

Gravy.7589:

So really what the original poster is saying is, nerf the good players!!

EDIT: ANET wants to replace every word with Kitten. So basically, kitten, kitten, kitten, kitten, kitten…… kitten

Lol… Please nerf good players, they should get over 9000% stats reduction and we kitten players get buff over 9000% stats.

Time to save the 100 laurels for that tonic and run around as a kitten! I could use that 9000% buff!

kitten, kitten kitten kitten, kitten.

Grumpy cat is amused

hehe,
hahaha,
wahahaha….

Oh wait, he is serious?!?

I will say to you what I am hearing from you, and from ALL other players saying a class needs to be nerfed.

AND I QUOTE: “QQ”

That is all.

The OP tried to HS spam through Sanctuary and found out that it wasn’t very effective.

Every class has a build that seems op because the majority of other classes isnt running a good counter build to it.
I always had problems killing guardians as well, even though they didnt kill me either. After some time, I just left the fight with superior mobility as a warrior.
With the last update, Warriors and Thieves got the aforementioned “Boon-Hate” Traits and I tried it out the other day.
With Signet of Might giving me 3 unblockable attacks as well, those Guardians dropped pretty quickly, I hit one with Kill Shot for 15k once.

But in the end, that build is not very effective against other classes, so I wont be running it permanently because it doesnt fit my style of play.

This has to be a joke post. I mean

really.

Aratoa.7398:

Now, I know people are going to come in here and make fun of me for it, but I’ve got an 80 Guardian too so my opinion is just as correct as theirs (maybe even more correct since mine is negative) and anyone actually defending the Guardian?

That screams sarcasm.

NOO we don’t need to keep nerfing anything slightly powerful and takes more than pressing 1-2 buttons! Also you dissprobed the need of need yourself OP…you said if the class is played correctly…that simply means the player is skilled and knows how to use his/her class…please go QQsomewhere else…I’m an engi too not a guardian

Yeah my Guardian is so OP against stupid people, who don’t know how to play, maybe they should add an IQ test to the character selection screen and give a buff to these people :p

Aratoa.7398:

This class can literally solo any other class if you play it correctly

This is key to the whole problem. Good players can make any class feel overpowered. Guardians have a lot of at their disposal, but so do all the other classes. Sometimes its not the skills that too good. Let’s give credit to the players who know how to use the skills correctly and can turn particular classes into powerhouses because of the player’s skill not because of what is in the skillbar.

i think the OP is right,
it’s time for a new class to receive the nerf bat

I can 1v1 most people on my sword pistol thief who is up leveld does that make me a good player or an op class

Aratoa.7398:

This class can literally solo any other class if you play it correctly

Should a guardian not be able to win a 1v1 then?

Aratoa.7398:

Guardians are so overpowered! I can’t believe that this class has gone unnerfed for so long!

Guardian damage was nerfed through the retaliation nerf and some classes were buffed with boon removal to counter them as well. Last patch, less than 2 weeks ago.

Remember, according to Anet, Guardians are supposed to be fighting on the front-lines, so of course they have a ton of survivability. But you have to remember, any Guardian that’s built as bunker as you say they are will have near laughable damage. Try fighting some good players when you’re on your Guardian next. You’ll realize you that they might not be able to kill you, but you won’t be able to kill them either. It’ll be about who makes the first mistake. If you try to facetank a Guardian with a lighter armored class, that’s your problem.

Aratoa.7398:

When they down an opponent, bam, stability stomp (sooooooo OP), an ability that renders my downed skills useless.

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Thank u, u made my day : D

Guardians are balanced, it’s the other professions who are UP.

ErlendR.6107:

Aratoa.7398:

When they down an opponent, bam, stability stomp (sooooooo OP), an ability that renders my downed skills useless.

xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Thank u, u made my day : D

Every class can do an equivalent.

Lyonell.1753:

Bottom line is aside from elementalist, most of these classes only need minor changes to be balanced in terms of game mechanics. If they reduced the power of protection say to 20% and removed retaliation from the guardian then I’d say the guardian would fine. In fact I would remove retaliation from guardians and give them to the warriors, this would make both classes do their roles and not over power one while making the other well useless.

@Littlefeather: Ranger are fine, almost perfectly balanced, their only real issue is the PET AI not being 100% accurate, other than that I play ranger and destroy people in Spvp and WvW lol. I’m not a glass cannon though. If you make glass cannons able to survive they’ll stop being glass cannons don’t you think?

10/10 would wat again