Guild Wars 2

Because of the actions of several members of different guilds caught hacking, our realm has taken it upon itself to create new rules as to how we report hackers. Guild members have both individually, and as whole groups hacked. It has been with such flamboyant disregard for being caught that we are now reporting every member of a guild should it have members that have been caught. So many different members are hacking that we just don’t know who is innocent and who is not, and because of that we have no choice but to report every member of a guild.

If you are a member, commander, or creator of a guild and hold your guild in high regard please find members that hack and take action against them soon so your whole guild is not penalized for the actions of a few. Hacking has become so rampant in WvW that many realms are now reporting any member of a guild should any member of that guild be caught hacking. This can lead to YOU being falsely reported and possibly BANNED from playing Guild Wars 2.

I can’t tell if this is a joke or not.

Because if you’re randomly reporting every member of a guild just because one or more people have cheated, then you’re more likely to be banned for false reports and abuse of the report system.

Further, you’d be making the problem worse by not focusing only on people who are observed cheating, because that would waste manpower investigating people who may be innocent of it themselves.

epborden.7492:

Hacking has become so rampant in WvW that many realms are now reporting any member of a guild should any member of that guild be caught hacking. This can lead to YOU being falsely reported and possibly BANNED from playing Guild Wars 2.

I have my doubts…

@OP:

While the intention is good, you really only should report the players who are hacking. As others have mentioned, if you are reporting players who are doing nothing wrong, it just wastes ANETs time. In that case, you are as bad as the hackers.

epborden.7492:

Because of the actions of several members of different guilds caught hacking, our realm has taken it upon itself to create new rules as to how we report hackers. Guild members have both individually, and as whole groups hacked. It has been with such flamboyant disregard for being caught that we are now reporting every member of a guild should it have members that have been caught. So many different members are hacking that we just don’t know who is innocent and who is not, and because of that we have no choice but to report every member of a guild.

If you are a member, commander, or creator of a guild and hold your guild in high regard please find members that hack and take action against them soon so your whole guild is not penalized for the actions of a few. Hacking has become so rampant in WvW that many realms are now reporting any member of a guild should any member of that guild be caught hacking. This can lead to YOU being falsely reported and possibly BANNED from playing Guild Wars 2.

1. Falsely reporting players for botting/hacking will result in your own account being suspended.

2. Being falsely reported will not result in your account being banned.

Why stop there? You could report the rest of the server and hope that works!

Jokes on OP because of all the time wasted reporting people.

This is in my top five lol for the day. Honestly.

Why stop at the server? You should just report

EnemyCrusher.7324:

epborden.7492:

Because of the actions of several members of different guilds caught hacking, our realm has taken it upon itself to create new rules as to how we report hackers. Guild members have both individually, and as whole groups hacked. It has been with such flamboyant disregard for being caught that we are now reporting every member of a guild should it have members that have been caught. So many different members are hacking that we just don’t know who is innocent and who is not, and because of that we have no choice but to report every member of a guild.

If you are a member, commander, or creator of a guild and hold your guild in high regard please find members that hack and take action against them soon so your whole guild is not penalized for the actions of a few. Hacking has become so rampant in WvW that many realms are now reporting any member of a guild should any member of that guild be caught hacking. This can lead to YOU being falsely reported and possibly BANNED from playing Guild Wars 2.

1. Falsely reporting players for botting/hacking will result in your own account being suspended.

2. Being falsely reported will not result in your account being banned.

This. The moderators do not appreciate getting reports on people who have not broken any rules. It’s called wasting their time. Time that could be spent researching ACTUAL botters and hackers. Not tons of innocents.

However, if you are innocent and get accidentally banned, you can create a support ticket for an appeal and they usually do unban those they accidentally ban.

Your trash and a disgrace to your server please leave WvW if you think everyone who is better geared than your rare stacked kitten is hacking

I feel like I fallen into an Aprils Fool prank. I have heard people over the years saying they have seen Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, UFOs, Bigfoot etc. but I have never heard of someone witnessing an instance where Anet was investigating hackers in WvW. Is this subject for real?

For the first time a long time, it appears they actually are. See here:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Ingame-GMs-do-they-exist/first

Good idea, OP! That will probably lead to you getting banned for abusing the reporting system…….or they will just put any future reports you make into the auto junk bin.

Smart move.

We have one 800+ wvw guild on our realm and only 1 decided to use cheats. Could you please transfer over to manually report the rest of them since we cant be bothered wasting time on it and risking a ban our self.

Thanks in advance.

/sarcasm

This has got to be the worst idea ever. It’s like saying that your whole family have to stand trial to go to jail because their dad committed a crime.

As ridiculous as this thread is it would be nice if guilds and servers did what they could to punish their players if they catch them cheating. I for one would instantly kick someone from my guild and see that they are banned from our servers TS, as well as reporting them. I hope others will do the same.

I don’t agree with the OP, but in the world, race, religion, and ethnicity stereotypes have fed and fueled the reason for certain countries to go to war and slaughter innocent people for “the greater good”…

Michael Henninger.7451:

epborden.7492:

we are now reporting every member of a guild should it have members that have been caught.

Do NOT do this! False reports make getting to legitimate reports take longer and in a cheating report there is a very short window for our GMs to react. Actions like this (false reporting) will lead to your account being terminated.

Well you know what, maybe if you guys actually did something to prevent hacking across the TWO YEARS your game has been out on the market people wouldn’t have to take drastic measures to try to improve the game experience for everyone. You think it is my fault that people have to come up with their own solutions when your company won’t even communicate what they are doing to combat the problem? It’s not exactly an unknown issue and any Google search can illuminate that this has roots going back to the beginning. I don’t think it is fair that you shut down my actions when it is clear as day that you guys know about it and are doing nothing to effectively alleviate the issue at hand. Your game is wide open. You’ve got no external software to protect it that ships with the game. You can hack kitten near every part of it besides what resides server side.

Jim Hunter.6821:

As ridiculous as this thread is it would be nice if guilds and servers did what they could to punish their players if they catch them cheating. I for one would instantly kick someone from my guild and see that they are banned from our servers TS, as well as reporting them. I hope others will do the same.

Guilds do. A lot of times, the guild isn’t aware if the person is cheating. If it’s a big guild, it should be easy enough to find contact info, even from those on an opposing server. If it’s a small guild, then you’d have to work harder to find the GLs, but it’s usually still possible.

Each guild I’ve been in, the leadership has been very quick to deal with people who spoil the enjoyment of others, whether it was botting or harassment — if they knew about it. The only times I saw inaction was when folks didn’t take the time to let the GLs know there was an issue.

It would be helpful if ANet let guilds know when one of their members is suspended (but not banned), although I can see plenty of reasons why the company wouldn’t want to do that.

I want to reiterate that I myself have not said that I am the one doing the reporting. I was simply being a beacon for the actions I’ve seen happening. I don’t, the guild doesn’t, no one wants to report 1,000 people while playing a game. I’d rather that one person that is causing issues get chased out instead, but that isn’t always the case.

epborden.7492:

Michael Henninger.7451:

epborden.7492:

we are now reporting every member of a guild should it have members that have been caught.

Do NOT do this! False reports make getting to legitimate reports take longer and in a cheating report there is a very short window for our GMs to react. Actions like this (false reporting) will lead to your account being terminated.

Well you know what, maybe if you guys actually did something to prevent hacking across the TWO YEARS your game has been out on the market people wouldn’t have to take drastic measures to try to improve the game experience for everyone. You think it is my fault that people have to come up with their own solutions when your company won’t even communicate what they are doing to combat the problem? It’s not exactly an unknown issue and any Google search can illuminate that this has roots going back to the beginning. I don’t think it is fair that you shut down my actions when it is clear as day that you guys know about it and are doing nothing to effectively alleviate the issue at hand. Your game is wide open. You’ve got no external software to protect it that ships with the game. You can hack kitten near every part of it besides what resides server side.

LOL. All those reasons for why you want to mass-report still does nothing to solve the issue of the hacking. The GM guy is just trying to do his job.

I don’t think you understood that paragraph. They are not reasons or justifications to mass report. They are a symbol of people creating their own solutions where there are none. The solution isn’t even using the reporting feature at all. The solution is in putting up a wall to prevent common intersections for having the game hacked in the first place. There just really aren’t any in place and it takes more than a novice to see where. He may not be able to do much beyond his ticket queue but he could at least probe the dev team to take action and bring it up in company meetings, and maybe he does. That would be going above and beyond to solve the problem but we have no proof that occurs. When communication doesn’t happen you’re going to find people doing some crazy stuff regardless.

Let’s just close this thread. I think the point has been taken and then even corrected by Michael. There is no reason to continue this thread.

epborden.7492:

I don’t think you understood that paragraph. They are not reasons or justifications to mass report. They are a symbol of people creating their own solutions where there are none. The solution isn’t even using the reporting feature at all. The solution is in putting up a wall to prevent common intersections for having the game hacked in the first place. There just really aren’t any in place and it takes more than a novice to see where. He may not be able to do much beyond his ticket queue but he could at least probe the dev team to take action and bring it up in company meetings, and maybe he does. That would be going above and beyond to solve the problem but we have no proof that occurs. When communication doesn’t happen you’re going to find people doing some crazy stuff regardless.

But your suggestion would make things worse regardless of whether or not ANet decides to do something. It inundates the moderators who are told to figure out who is and who is not hacking. Not to mention could lead to players being banned for submitting false reports. So why put the idea out there?

Why not try to come up with a better suggestion for how to handle the hackers and exploiters? One that won’t get people banned or inundate the moderators with a ton of false reports.

epborden.7492:

They are not reasons or justifications to mass report. They are a symbol of people creating their own solutions where there are none.

That is not a “solution”. Reporting everyone in the guild doesn’t change the fact that the only people who can issue bans here are ArenaNet staff.

It just means they have even more bans to hand out – on the people doing the false reporting.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Chaba.5410:

The GM guy is just trying to do his job.

No. You see, they aren’t doing their job and that’s why a thread like this exists in the first place.

You’re speaking about the past, clearly. This is the first time I’ve seen a GM post and ask for cooperation. That’s a good thing.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Chaba.5410:

The GM guy is just trying to do his job.

No. You see, they aren’t doing their job and that’s why a thread like this exists in the first place.

If they aren’t already doing their job, how is sending more report tickets going to change anything ?

epborden.7492:

Michael Henninger.7451:

epborden.7492:

we are now reporting every member of a guild should it have members that have been caught.

Do NOT do this! False reports make getting to legitimate reports take longer and in a cheating report there is a very short window for our GMs to react. Actions like this (false reporting) will lead to your account being terminated.

Well you know what, maybe if you guys actually did something to prevent hacking across the TWO YEARS your game has been out on the market people wouldn’t have to take drastic measures to try to improve the game experience for everyone. You think it is my fault that people have to come up with their own solutions when your company won’t even communicate what they are doing to combat the problem? It’s not exactly an unknown issue and any Google search can illuminate that this has roots going back to the beginning. I don’t think it is fair that you shut down my actions when it is clear as day that you guys know about it and are doing nothing to effectively alleviate the issue at hand. Your game is wide open. You’ve got no external software to protect it that ships with the game. You can hack kitten near every part of it besides what resides server side.

You can never completely prevent hacking….its impossible,name me One multiplayer or mmo where hacking is non existant,all those included with anti hacking software,Punkbuster,hackshield,etc..it doesn’t do kitten,they always find a way around somehow. Anet can only be fast in banning these ppl out.

Caedmon.6798:

epborden.7492:

Michael Henninger.7451:

epborden.7492:

we are now reporting every member of a guild should it have members that have been caught.

Do NOT do this! False reports make getting to legitimate reports take longer and in a cheating report there is a very short window for our GMs to react. Actions like this (false reporting) will lead to your account being terminated.

Well you know what, maybe if you guys actually did something to prevent hacking across the TWO YEARS your game has been out on the market people wouldn’t have to take drastic measures to try to improve the game experience for everyone. You think it is my fault that people have to come up with their own solutions when your company won’t even communicate what they are doing to combat the problem? It’s not exactly an unknown issue and any Google search can illuminate that this has roots going back to the beginning. I don’t think it is fair that you shut down my actions when it is clear as day that you guys know about it and are doing nothing to effectively alleviate the issue at hand. Your game is wide open. You’ve got no external software to protect it that ships with the game. You can hack kitten near every part of it besides what resides server side.

You can never completely prevent hacking….its impossible,name me One multiplayer or mmo where hacking is non existant,all those included with anti hacking software,Punkbuster,hackshield,etc..it doesn’t do kitten,they always find a way around somehow. Anet can only be fast in banning these ppl out.

Thats the whole point of hacking, trying to beat security systems.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Chaba.5410:

The GM guy is just trying to do his job.

No. You see, they aren’t doing their job and that’s why a thread like this exists in the first place.

As upset as you are about that, this guys IS doing the job he was put to do with the policy/rules that he got from his company. No employed can make up their own rules as they go and ban people over it as they choose, like anyone at any working situation you have rules to follow so yes he is doing his job.

If you don’t like the rules or want it to change, then bring that up, but don’t hunt the person who is trying to do his job at the best way he can and still staying within the policy/rules that is set.

Indeed, give Michael a break. Guy is being more helpful then any other dev so far. While moderators keep telling us to sent evidence and reports to exploits@anet Michael said its better to report as botting.