Guild Wars 2

Hi.

I am pretty sure at this point, the majority of us are familiar with the mysterious orange swords in the Borderlands maps south of the southern most camp and what those represent.

For those who aren’t: These are pre-organized fights with predetermined even numbers between two guilds from different servers. Usually 20v20 or 15 v 15, rarely more, rarely less.

There are a lot of conflicting ideas, opinions and attitudes towards these organized fights- and both pro and con sides have their understandable reasons.

A lot of positivity towards these events for many reasons. It helps players see the true nature of field fighting in this game- team work and combo field mechanics shining brighter than ever in these fights and the effects demonstrated quite clearly in these medium scale engagements. (Relative term “medium scale” in comparison to most zerg clashes in wvw)
The competitive nature sparks new interest in the burnt out WvW veterans (myself included) which pushes us to continue playing this game.
The new match up systems which put us in tough spots with blow out matches at times can and has led to the burn out of many players. (This topic is an entirely different paragraph so lets stay on point) GvG has helped a lot of players stick with WvW combat even through these kind of weeks. The competitive nature can’t be stopped by a score anymore, these weeks give even more reason for guilds to show up and show their skills against “higher tier” guilds. Many times you will be surprised by the “lower tier” guilds who can faceroll guilds from the upper WvW score bracket.
Not to mention the amount of people who want to see the videos, or watch the matches go down themselves is at an all time high.
This is the kind of competitive nature you can’t stop, no matter how hard you try.

The attitude against GvG is not without reasons.
That it consumes queue slots in the more populated servers- allowing the 3rd server to possibly reset keeps and towers with less opposition, knowing that at least 15-20 from each of the other two servers are engaged across the map.
That these guilds could be doing something more productive for PPT.
Or simply “this is not what WvW is meant for, go Spvp for gvg”.

So much head bashing on forums about this argument, it’s disappointing.

As a supporter and participant of GvG, and a WvW veteran I look at this situation objectively and understand both sides.
..and I can tell you that there is common ground to be stood on.

First, the Spvp argument. Anyone who Spvp’s and plays in WvW can tell you that the builds are not the same. The stats cannot be replicated- and it is an entirely different feel. Second, if guilds wanted to 10 v 10 or 8 v 8 or 5 v 5, maybe we would use SPvP. There is a reason that the most common size fights are 15/20 on each side. But even still, the builds are not the same which is probably why when there are 5v5, or 10v10 matches, they are still held in WvW setting.

Next we have the PPT/Queue slot argument.
Let’s think about this for a moment. Who shows up to a party where they are not welcome? Let’s say you do, upon finding out- would you enjoy the feeling? “Ha ha ha, I am making people uncomfortable with my presence” usually isn’t a thought that would go through any normal person’s head in that kind of situation.

The point is, GvG participants don’t enjoy the fact that they have to take queue slots, or effect WvW server performance. In fact, the queue makes it even more of a headache to arrange these events in the first place. Two types of headache from this issue, getting your roster in the queue, and knowing that your roster is contributing to the queue, but not the server. Again, neither side of the story finds this pleasant.

Moving on, we can also identify the issue of trolls. People trebbing gvg fights, jumping in with the intention to grief, etc. Personally, I can’t stand it when someone jumps in my GvG from the sidelines. It leads to an unsatisfying win, or an excuse made for a loss that might have happened with or without the person jumping in.

In the end, no matter which opinion you hold about the subject- everyone plays this game to have fun. Competitive fun, casual fun, fun in zergs, fun dueling, fun roaming, fun in GvG, fun as sentry, fun as havoc, fun as siege users- whatever the form of fun is- people will always have a right to do what they want in a game to have fun, and of course the right to their own opinions about everything.

Let’s be competitive and respect one another as players and people rather than enemies. That’s what it comes down to.

There is a petition being signed. I’m sure we could agree that this would be in the interest of all participants of WvW. Using the gear we earned, our food buffs and proper build set ups, and preferred size of engagement is important to us- Spvp does NOT satisfy this issue.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/official-gvg-setup-in-gw2/

I didn’t start this petition, but I support it in full.
No matter what stance you take on the issue, please find the time to sign this petition.
Lets work together with each other and Arena Net to make this game a success for us all.

Whether you are for, or against GvG- this petition probably supports your ideas.
Because in the end, you can’t stop this constantly growing scene.

Thank you for your time!

Signed.
/15 char

My guild doesn’t GvG but for the love of god give theses people a place to fight it out. IMO if you want an E-sport that is the best E-sport you could make out of this game. think about it the only thing better than small groups of the best players working together is 2 to 3 times the numbers having to do it (on equal ground of course).
Additionally the go to SPvP talk is non-sense. they don’t want to defend points and jump around they want to fight. This has huge potential when you see a t3-t1 gvg fight you’ll have easily 20-30 other sitting around watching, it’s so entertaining you have at least the same number of players watching as doing the GvG and there isn’t even a proper place to do it.

I wish ANet would at least give an opinion on the matter, to know if it’s a remote possibility or if we should just stop asking. For sure it would be a long process to get a system like this going, but I believe that it would increase the value of GW2 immensely, and it would probably attract a lot of new players that are looking for a more hardcore game than regular WvW.

I think it would attract ton of teams from other games over here if there was a system implemented.
I would love for an answer from ANet at least, if it’s something that is never going to happen- put our minds at rest and let us know.

I might be biased but I think it will come in the future.

They had it in gw1 sure smaller scale. Give us guild hall battles. 15-20-25
Job done.

I’m fine with it happening in WvW, but I think it was pretty lackluster that Anet never had any real official way to setup/track GvG from the start. The game is called Guild Wars, who would have thought that guilds might want to challenge one another right ?

i can already see it. all the guilds doing their gvg, while wvw is left to pugs. what a mess it would be. delicious:)

it would be like old times again :P

Agree^ ^

+1

/15 chars

out of curiosity, if there anywhere in obsidian sanctum that would suitable for GvG? the arena in there seems like it should be a logical choice, but the PvE and boulders up top pretty much ensure it would be trolled or otherwise disrupted. it would need to be somewhere off the beaten path to the chest. i’m not in there too often, so i don’t know the layout well enough, but it being in its own queue seems like it would be the ideal place for it. at least until they (hopefully) introduce a proper GvG arena.

(i’ve never actually competed in one, but i’ve watched a lot of them. they’re a great way to train a group, as well as nail down the group’s composition.)

Personally I am not a huge fan of the GvG system. It is far too static, more like mini-zergs fighting each other. In my opinion the roaming 8v8 setup from DAoC is a much better model for WvW as I enjoy the ever changing terrain and builds needed for 8v8 and 8vZerg at the same time. Little too easy to cheese comps in GvG.

That said I think if other folks enjoy it, then I support it, and I think overall it can only help improve the quality of play in this game, which frankly is sorely lacking, so I signed.

I am a big fan of GvG. I’d just prefer it was a separate map and that it would allow spectator mode. I definitely want this to occur with WvW skills/armor and not be a PvP mode.

Gvg exclusive map with a number of different arenas, all with spectators allowed.

If it was open to all servers it would really bring the scene to life. As it is now, we are at the mercy of rng matches which means we may never face all the top guilds.

I agree with you style, and Flashy.

Phantom I think that it would be cool to have a big coliseum for the gvg to take place in..
unfortunately the arena in JP is too easily mob-trolled, rock trolled, and too small to utilize veils inside of. Not to mention it would totally block JPers from getting their chests :P
It has to be decent size, like a little bigger than the radius of inner SM walls in my opinion.

And thank you Niim

petitions are not allowed lol

The overt problem is development focus.

Arena Net has dedicated the bulk of their resources to producing the Living Story. With so much of their time fixated on temporary content to sate the inborn desire to fill up bars and get shiny things in the bulk of the PvE MMO player base, there’s not much room to give on development of other content. Note there’s a team dedicated to the Open World PvE system, four teams dedicated to the Living Story, and what I assume to be a shared responsibility for dungeon content between them. There’s only one team for WvW, and they’re barely capable of dealing with the issues already present much less take on another project to create GvG. There’s no way the team responsible for the vast plethora of bugs, exploits, graphical issues, and lack of content that’s been present for nearly a year is even remotely capable of producing a new mode, GvG.

Balanced, large scale, skilled combat between two groups of players has never been within the design scope of the no-guild-based-combat, ironically named, Guild Wars 2 development model.

So we have a problem.

Guilds want to fight other guilds and enjoy doing so (hell I think it’s about the best thing I can do in WvW) even without any game mechanic that rewards the practice. Quite the contrary, mechanics provide incentives not to do this for the sake of holding up queue slots and not contributing to the overall fight, but we do it anyways.

Skilled players looking to pit their skill against other players don’t need anymore than that to have a rewarding experience, and we’re going to seek out that experience in whatever way we can. sPvP is a joke, so we’re forced to use WvW. It’s a design flaw inherent to a game that the development team simply does not have the resources to fix. Or better said they lack the willingness to commit those resources to providing a quality PvP experience to an ever growing population of GvG players.

In short, it’s nice to suggest, recommend, and dream of a better tomorrow for GvG, but the harsh reality is, based on the development focus set by Arena Net, it simply will not happen anytime remotely soon if it even happens at all.