Guild Wars 2

We were in the lead up until tuesday with AR nightcapping and not us. I do not see the reasoning behind your whining Astre.

Astre.7821:

MarzAttakz.9608:

… If you guys think we are rough with the night crew just wait until you see them in action.

I’m not sure anyone gets what is bothering us.
It’s not the fact that you paint (the maps) at night.
It’s the fact that you’re bragging about winning against an alliance of 2 servers !
But there’s no alliance.
And you’re winning because of the nights.
Or to be exact, you cant say that you win with your skill only : you’re not encountering anyone (but PNJ) at night.

Did I use the word “win” or “alliance” in my post? I’ve never been under the illusion that there are any alliances in the current matchup. Desolation is slowly getting organised but we are not organised enough to form a cross server alliance. Regarding the supposed “GHAR” alliance, well I’ll believe it when I see it in writing, no need to convince me.

If you don’t have the decency to accept a “GF” from your opponent regardless of the outcome then you have my sympathy.

Desolation complained about the same things in our two previous matchups so you should understand where we’re coming from. Unless you’ve been matched up against Far Shiverpeaks AND Vizunah Square at the same time then you have no idea what you’re up against.

As a footnote [IRON] does not represent Desolation as a whole and players on all servers will brag at some point. How you react to that bragging is a measure of your own integrity.

Hey buddies,
As a member of CaSu, the official Vizunah Square’s 500 Hebrew Canadian night team, I can affirm that we really enjoy kicking Desolation’s as.ses and doors when they are luckily granted access to the #1.

After seeing all these whines from Desolation players here, we can’t wait to the next match between a [FR] server and Desolation into #2!!!

Our guild is planning to switch from Vizunah to this french server after the weekend (of course the switch’s day will depend on the scores of #1 game), just to see if Desolation will reach 2nd go on 3rd rank in the matchup with CaSu controlling the map during the nights.
Hope we’ll seen Desolation members soon!

I hear it was not a pre-arranged ‘alliance’, but a couple of days ago on AR borderlands it was definitely a 2v1 battle.
GH was bombarding our tower from the west while attempting to spawn camp us at the same time (totally legitimate tactic).
Through the tunnel on the other side of the tower were a bunch of AR hanging out by the bridge stopping reinforcements to our AH keep while they attacked the wall from the side. The supply camp beyond the bridge changed hands multiple times.
AR and GH never attacked each other from what I saw.

I was actually impressed with your two servers being this coordinated, but I come on here and read people flat-out denying that it was communicated. So that is actually a shame.
However be it pre-organised or not, it was happening that night. I had to log off but was surprised to hear later on that we managed to hold on to AH. Must have been a good fight.

So Desolation has been up against 3 alliances so far?

We’re all out to get you!

Just to get this straight.

Neither Desolation nor IRON are complaining about an alliance (i’m also getting tired to tell ppl that from our point of view AR and GH were clearly working together that night, if they weren’t – well then they seem to be blind (as they stood right next to each other… but enough of that))

We also never said this “alliance” (i’m just gonna call it that for now, please dont get all “we don’t have an alliance” about it…) was still going. It looked like it was on tuesday evening/night, and that’s it.

I personally really enjoyed tuesday evening, it was very challenging and really brought out the best teamwork we’ve had on desolation in a while. (Even though that has been getting better and better in the past week anyways.)

Also again: Please take any more “agressive” (if you want to call it that) posts I did/do as pure trash-talking, which – I think – should happen. (A reasonable amount, and not with the aim of hurting anyones feelings…) Allrighty, everyone happy? Okay then, let’s get back to smashing our skulls together my hammer and I are ready! (I just need to get home from work…) ;-)

DavidMonthen.4398:

Just to get this straight.

Neither Desolation nor IRON are complaining about an alliance

Err lets see, have you read posts in this thread by Wrex, ChewBiduhwa, Rezo’s decent into paranoia? Not only were there people complaining about a non existent alliance, they were complaining about the idea of having one altogether.

Glad to see your seeing reason, was looking for a while there that it was less Iron and more Tinfoil Hat.

DavidMonthen.4398:

Just to get this straight.

Neither Desolation nor IRON are complaining about an alliance (i’m also getting tired to tell ppl that from our point of view AR and GH were clearly working together that night, if they weren’t – well then they seem to be blind (as they stood right next to each other… but enough of that))

We also never said this “alliance” (i’m just gonna call it that for now, please dont get all “we don’t have an alliance” about it…) was still going. It looked like it was on tuesday evening/night, and that’s it.

I personally really enjoyed tuesday evening, it was very challenging and really brought out the best teamwork we’ve had on desolation in a while. (Even though that has been getting better and better in the past week anyways.)

Also again: Please take any more “agressive” (if you want to call it that) posts I did/do as pure trash-talking, which – I think – should happen. (A reasonable amount, and not with the aim of hurting anyones feelings…) Allrighty, everyone happy? Okay then, let’s get back to smashing our skulls together my hammer and I are ready! (I just need to get home from work…) ;-)

There was no such thing as cooperation on AR bordeland tuesday evening
- First we had to take back our lands from the golem rush
- then we dedicated our evening to get our orbs back, we had to kick gunnar out of AH a couple of times, we didnt push the tower cause it s useless for us (it s only good for gunnar so you cant harass their tower and so PUGs dont engage in endless battles between 2 bridges), we had to starve the keep, but since it was the only thing left on the map for desolation, the defence outnumbering the attack, the tactical advantage of that keep in defence(hello 3meters wide only access point), the defence held strong, it was hell of a fight though and loads of fun.

Nice Pun.

However I don’t see how they are complaining about anything? They are merely taunting from how I read it?

Also: I dislike the idea of an alliance to target one server. I am however all for trying to get the ORB of each individual Borderland for your server, as that buffs everyone by so much it is actually worth it. If you can then do it cleverly enough to get the 2 servers fighting while you go and grab it, (either from the reset-point or an enemy keep or wherever it is…), fair enough.

Actually we did this yesterday in the late afternoon, when we took Redbriar and attacked AR in Bay, then fell back. They followed us and then fought with GH at their spawn area. We in the mean time had a small foce watching this from Redbriar, whilst the others took the orb and brought it into our keep. It was a good feeling seeing this plan succeed.

Again, only talking about the AR Borderlands here, as people seem to keep confusing it…

- Bloodsteel

My previous post was directed @Snort.

@Raoh:

Well fair enough, still doesn’t explain why GH and AR players were standing next to each other without attacking (I think people have screenshos of it even… not sure, I certainly have not got them here at work… ^^)

Well anyways I’m getting bored of talking about this topic. Just as I am bored of talking about “night-capping”, wvw aparently being boring, “prime-time”, and so on… So much whines on the forums, I guess its normal though…

I’m now actually gonna just go home from work and I will see you in game later. (Maybe, and I won’t greet you there, as you are the ENEMY! ROAR!)

- Bloodsteel

@MarzAttakz : I was merely explaining for Spacebanana (Rezo) (and anyone who would like to have an explaination).
You have players at night and they have a right to play.
I must add that I don’t have any craving to be faced with VS even if it would mean fighting against old enemies once again (DAoC).

It’s a little unlucky for GH and AR to be matched with a much more populated server like Desolation, there is no way you can possibly win this matchup because you will be outnumbered greatly during the night which is the deciciding factor in WvW in this game unfortunately.

I was matched with Desolation a couple of times when they were still in the top bracket, they couldnt defend against our superior tactics and quality army though.

They do have huge player numbers that should put them in the top tier bracket, however they are just not that good and not well organized. So smaller servers will have to continue to fight them until Desolation has steamrolled enough by bruteforcing with much bigger armies and nightcapping so they are put back into the top bracket – where they will be quickly put in place by the real top servers to be matched up again with much smaller servers – a vicious cycle. Sorry for you guys! :-D

I have missed the boring at prime time posts where are they.

prime time pvp is amazing.

We got the orb, thanks for the hard work Gunnar’s.

It’s 3 in the afternoon, so that is nightcapping. only scores after 5 and before 11 count.

Snort.3698:

It’s 3 in the afternoon, so that is nightcapping. only scores after 5 and before 11 count.

Best post yet xD
I giggled.

We conquered the whole map in AR borderland with the help of the IRON pain train.
Sadly we can’t do anything about nightcapping and AR was winning during the night from monday to wednesday. And you get to decide what is nightcapping and what isn’t eh Snort? Smooth.
Also Gunnar’s Hold we took the orb from right under your nose so we thank you for facerubbing the gate while we overtook the keep.
Twas a great victory at AR Borderland, step up your game other servers.

Rezo.4815:

And you get to decide what is nightcapping and what isn’t eh Snort? Smooth.

lol

/double faceplam

I think you should ask a guildy to explain what I was doing above.

That sound is the point flying way over your head.

Made my day, people at work looked up to see who was laughing.

After all it is always night somewhere.

Mr Magoo.9065:

I was matched with Desolation a couple of times when they were still in the top bracket, they couldnt defend against our superior tactics and quality army though.

Uh-uh.

Example situation at peak time VS vs FS vs Deso:

http://imageshack.us/a/img696/9539/gw031xb.jpg

Example situation at morning time VS vs FS vs Deso after the amazing PvDoor work of the VS night capping team:

http://imageshack.us/a/img696/975/gw032z.jpg

It’s clearly your “superior tactics and quality army” winning the matches for you

Try again buddy.

MagnusLL.8473:

Mr Magoo.9065:

I was matched with Desolation a couple of times when they were still in the top bracket, they couldnt defend against our superior tactics and quality army though.

Uh-uh.

Example situation at peak time VS vs FS vs Deso:

http://imageshack.us/a/img696/9539/gw031xb.jpg

Example situation at morning time VS vs FS vs Deso after the amazing PvDoor work of the VS night capping team:

http://imageshack.us/a/img696/975/gw032z.jpg

It’s clearly your “superior tactics and quality army” winning the matches for you

Try again buddy.

Yeah in truth he is right, we are pretty evenly matched with Farshiv even when they have the infamous NUG but the main problem is that Vizunah Square has 24 hour coverage and 500 man ques per borderland at peak times.

Hello, I am one of the leaders of IRON, Some of my members and friends here and voiced some good points and people have tried to hammer them and vise versa, Also seeing a lot of hate towards IRON atm which proves we are doing our job well.

I am here though to say Well done to GH and AR you both played well i have enjoyed this week’s WvW and next week we switch to Casual play as we alternate every week so our guildies can get some farming done.

I look forward to fighting against you all in the future it has been a royally good rumble.

Good health and have fun with future endeavors!

Chewbiduhwa.9756:

Hello, I am one of the leaders of IRON, Some of my members and friends here and voiced some good points and people have tried to hammer them and vise versa, Also seeing a lot of hate towards IRON atm which proves we are doing our job well.

I am here though to say Well done to GH and AR you both played well i have enjoyed this week’s WvW and next week we switch to Casual play as we alternate every week so our guildies can get some farming done.

I look forward to fighting against you all in the future it has been a royally good rumble.

Good health and have fun with future endeavors!

Finally someone with common sense, look forward to fight against your guild in a near future.

Anyone who is complaining about Deso night zerg has absolutely no idea, nor preparation to face, what Canadah Square is.

It’s okay if you guys feel the need to team up on us. It’s common knowledge that desolation players are on average as good as two, or even three Gunnar’s Hold/Augury Rock players, so at least this way we we’re getting a fair fight.

If you’d like to know more please visit http://www.majorkong.net for details.

Hahaha majorkong i saw you in the jumping puzzle in the arena part while i was above killing you. Im sure in 100% that it was you thanks to your website
Good times…Good times..

MajorKong.8095:

It’s okay if you guys feel the need to team up on us. It’s common knowledge that desolation players are on average as good as two, or even three Gunnar’s Hold/Augury Rock players, so at least this way we we’re getting a fair fight.

If you’d like to know more please visit http://www.majorkong.net for details.

I hate u. And I love you.

Also, I’d like to thank both Augury Rock and Gunnar’s Hold players from Augury borderlands for this past week. We’ve had some amazing fights over AH (wednesday night was absolutely hilarious) and the Garrison in the past week. So much fun all around!

If you see (or get shot by) a skimpily clothed female sylvari thief with a short bow, make sure to give her a /cheer Cya all in 2weeks, after we’ve gotten our bums handed to us by Vizunah again

Chewbiduhwa.9756 – Quite funny how your server says ours are poor.. yet everytime you move up to what they clearly deem to be where you deserve (in top tier) a guild that claims to be great takes the week off to PvE instead.

Let me guess, this is just an odd occurance that you never realised :p

We aren’t taking a week off Corran, we are just doing LESS WvW daily, its very tiring to log on at 10 AM and go to sleep at 12 PM and for Cyanide to lead a WvW group all that time. I think you would understand how tiring it is also for the rest of the guild to maintain a high level of dedication. By going casual for a week means we don’t poke and prod at our members to get into WvW but rather poke and prod them to do whatever they want to to get geared up and a whole mountain of golems stacked. :P

Just think of it like this, it gives you guys a week to think up an effective way to fight against 3/4 golems that doesn’t involve turning into walking loot bags

Mr Magoo.9065:

It’s a little unlucky for GH and AR to be matched with a much more populated server like Desolation, there is no way you can possibly win this matchup because you will be outnumbered greatly during the night which is the deciciding factor in WvW in this game unfortunately.

I was matched with Desolation a couple of times when they were still in the top bracket, they couldnt defend against our superior tactics and quality army though.

They do have huge player numbers that should put them in the top tier bracket, however they are just not that good and not well organized. So smaller servers will have to continue to fight them until Desolation has steamrolled enough by bruteforcing with much bigger armies and nightcapping so they are put back into the top bracket – where they will be quickly put in place by the real top servers to be matched up again with much smaller servers – a vicious cycle. Sorry for you guys! :-D

Well – sure, it ‘sucks’ being outnumbered, but it does also provide amble chance for targets and to try off strange things and just mucking about.
When logging into the game yesterday afternoon – GH was pretty much wiped from the maps. So jumped into Desolation Borderlands and saw it was pretty green and blue all over and with large Au and Des ‘groups’ roaming around here and there.
But we buckled up the few of us from our guild and started doing what we could – flip supply camps and generally trying to be annoying, and lo and behold – while the 6 or so of us from our guild got run severely over by numbers more than once; GH started taking stuff back as more and more GH warriors came online and various fights became more even and we at times even managed to push others around.

So yeah – you cannot really ‘compete’ on the same level with half the people, but it’s still possible to do something and even occasionally have decent fights.

If the last period of time is something to judge from; it does look like GH is going to bounce up n’ down the ‘ladder’, but from the general feel of the organized guilds – it does seems like as long as we can fight, it doesn’t matter that much. And if we manage to actually coordinate between the alliances; well we might be able to put up even more of a fight in the primetime (for our server) brackets where we still seem to do quite well.
All things considered – GH does not just lay down even if we can’t field the same numbers consistently as others. We’ll fight when we can, regardless.

MajorKong.8095:

It’s okay if you guys feel the need to team up on us. It’s common knowledge that desolation players are on average as good as two, or even three Gunnar’s Hold/Augury Rock players, so at least this way we we’re getting a fair fight.

If you’d like to know more please visit http://www.majorkong.net for details.

I know you’re trolling, but come on, man. Let’s face the facts here.

First, Desolation is in the highest populated server top three.

Second, you utterly failed to compete with your matchup and got demoted. Forced to face off against smaller servers that excelled in their bracket and were promoted instead.

Third, I used to play on Desolation before the overpopulation forced my guild to transfer off. Yet here you are, suggesting Desolations supposedly faces greater numbers than they can muster. Last time I checked, Gunnar’s Hold was a medium population server.

In the end, a red name’s gonna be a red name. An alliance of any kind is at most going to revolve around not attacking eachother’s objectives. The game doesn’t actually support teaming up between enemies. My AoE spells aren’t going to magically avoid damaging our pretend allies.

Scribbles.7493:

I know you’re trolling, but come on, man. Let’s face the facts here.

First, Desolation is in the highest populated server top three.

Second, you utterly failed to compete with your matchup and got demoted. Forced to face off against smaller servers that excelled in their bracket and were promoted instead.

Third, I used to play on Desolation before the overpopulation forced my guild to transfer off. Yet here you are, suggesting Desolations supposedly faces greater numbers than they can muster. Last time I checked, Gunnar’s Hold was a medium population server.

In the end, a red name’s gonna be a red name. An alliance of any kind is at most going to revolve around not attacking eachother’s objectives. The game doesn’t actually support teaming up between enemies. My AoE spells aren’t going to magically avoid damaging our pretend allies.

Also even more fun when we’re still able to carve out points and at times even leads in the ‘prime time’ brackets against the oh-so-great Desolation players.
But perhaps that’s where the ego come in from them, and it must be an alliances and what not against poor-poor Desolations because it couldn’t be anything else.

Seems to remember that same song from last weeks whines from them against the evil VS and FS where the excuses kept flying.

I don’t buy the ‘ego’ argument. It’s more of a trolling thing. Pure Jimmy Rustlin’.

Most of the good guilds fled Desolation. The last thing you want as an organised WvW guild is to have guildies face four hour queues before they can join your outfit. Desolation at the moment lacks organized guilds. Any group of players seeking to get organized will end up transfering elsewhere due to the queues making organized play impossible. So what you then have left is a tsunami of pug players who abuse the transfer system to join the ‘winning team’. Though without a backbone of organized guilds, the server will eventually fall apart as the server is no longer able to compete within its own bracket and the pugs flee to the next ‘winner’.

Scribbles.7493:

So what you then have left is a tsunami of pug players who abuse the transfer system to join the ‘winning team’.

So what does this make you, losing to a tsunami of pugs?

GG everyone, this was one of the more interest matches, even though the french cheated some orbs some days ago. Desolation really got their stuff together in this match, it gets more and more coordinated on my server.

MagnusLL.8473:

So what does this make you, losing to a tsunami of pugs?

Pretty much, jeah. But I hope that amidst your sudden outburst of pseudo-wit you managed to grasp the actual message.

Deso queues are much shorter than they used to be.

Scribbles.7493:

I don’t buy the ‘ego’ argument. It’s more of a trolling thing. Pure Jimmy Rustlin’.

Most of the good guilds fled Desolation. The last thing you want as an organised WvW guild is to have guildies face four hour queues before they can join your outfit. Desolation at the moment lacks organized guilds. Any group of players seeking to get organized will end up transfering elsewhere due to the queues making organized play impossible. So what you then have left is a tsunami of pug players who abuse the transfer system to join the ‘winning team’. Though without a backbone of organized guilds, the server will eventually fall apart as the server is no longer able to compete within its own bracket and the pugs flee to the next ‘winner’.

There is IRON and we have around 40-50 players on one borderland at daily peak times, the que times are much shorter than they used to be, especially on a borderland where your team isn’t doing that well. Infact we have no problem with que times at all, most of the day there isn’t a que. Only when we ramp out the IRON pain train does the borderland actually start having a considerable around 20 minute que.
If you actually bothered to look at the borderlands traffic post from Arenanet you would already know this. But instead you made a horribly uninformed post, good job.

sup in here guys? ( girls )

www.twitch.tv/irajaxx

I will miss you guys.

Good luck.

We hardly have queue’s on Desolation anymore. At peak, the Eternal Battlegrounds queue can be around 2 hours, and borderlands about an hour. At any other time, I get in instantly or in about 15 minutes. (Edit: Why does the filter filter out ‘EB queue’?)

Our ‘nightzerg’ is in reality a single group of players, about 30-40 people max, going from map to map. If we got too much competition in one map, we simply retreat from that map, claim holdings in other maps, and try again later. This gives others the impression we got zergs on all the other maps, while really it’s just the same borderlands group going around the maps, aiming for the weakest defended holdings.

Anyway, sh**talking aside, it was an interesting matchup for us when compared to fighting the two 24/7 servers – who have queue’s at 5 AM in the morning. We’ll see if we can play a bit beter this comming matchup, if not, see you next week.

Good luck in your next round Deso and AR

Have had some good fights in this one!