Guild Wars 2

On my server, one or more borderland maps feature large guilds monopolizing the center of the map for “Guild vs. Guild Battles”. Most of the time, these large guilds are standing around in their separate zergs with no combat going on at all. Anyone ‘interrupting’ is sworn at and abused by the ‘friendly’ guild or piled on by the ‘enemy’ guild, which swarms and kills the ‘interrupter’ (while the ‘friendly’ guild laughs and does nothing) and then goes back to standing around. If you are not in one of these guilds you are told to go to a different map.

Here’s hoping that guild halls will put an end to this, but since Obsidian Sanctum was supposed to do that I won’t hold my breath. I used to like WvW, but this is ruining it for me. It’s obnoxious at best.

Are you in T3 by any chance ? if so I feel sorry for you. they were in T2 and doing exact same thing. Things are getting much better here since they left but now you’re stuck with them.

Yes, this will contribute to a large chunk of your overall WvWvW population basically leaving the game mode or becoming casual at best. Your only solution is to have some commanders with some balls and run them over each every single day when they engage. If you dont have any, you are permamently screwed.

I like jumping into the middle of their GvG and attacking. You won’t last long, but it is fun to see them rage.

Exactly, yes I’m in T3. I suppose I’ll have to start trolling them or bringing a large force to teach them that they don’t own the map. Still, it isn’t working as intended, and it won’t be as much fun as WvW should/used to be.

Daddar.5971:

Exactly, yes I’m in T3. I suppose I’ll have to start trolling them or bringing a large force to teach them that they don’t own the map. Still, it isn’t working as intended, and it won’t be as much fun as WvW should/used to be.

you may need to go as far as tanking some matches, its unfortunate but true, just let the other servers go take your stuff for a while and forget recapping. camp them instead of objectives, its that simple. yea you may end up sliding down for a couple weeks, but then they will rage even more, and since you’ll break them up, they will have to server hop. thats how you get them out.

If it isn’t your home bl and is also not queued, I don’t see the problem tbh. Some of those guilds also assist when not gvg ing by running open raids etc.

The part I hated on YB, was that a few were pretty toxic in map chat. I am sure you have all heard a scout calling out an attack and someone shouting down “bleep ppt”… I don’t care if you don’t want to ppt (I often don’t either), but I never treat someone who does want to ppt as a second class citizen either….

On a side note, rumor that I heard was the gvg scene took a hiT moving to t3….

Well, if its your home border and the guilds GvGing are the two enemy servers I say do what you feel like, lol. If one of the guilds is friendly, I suppose its a matter of how much you respect them. Honestly, there are other places to GvG. If they do it in an enemy border… well then they take the risk of an enemy zerg. Thats the very heart and soul of WvW. Its a war, not a WWE match. kitten happens. They can rage all they want.

On a fun note, this monday FSP zerg interrupted RS and PS GvGing in FSP home border. Oh how they raged. FSP had to go up against 5 guilds or so. And won most of the fights, hahaha. Gave us some of the best fights in a long time. Was dissapointed when the guilds ragequit

Everyone should have the right to play as they wish so long as it remains within the laws of the game. If they’re minding their own business and not queuing your home map then leaving them alone is the best thing to do. If however they’re toxic, condescending, abusive or they queue the home map. There are certain things you can do…. cough treb cows from spawn cough

Come to T1 where there are no daily GvGs but just large small scale combat.

They tried that stuff in T2 and got sent packing ahah

too bad you dont have yb to save you they are busy carrying T1

Daddar.5971:

Exactly, yes I’m in T3. I suppose I’ll have to start trolling them or bringing a large force to teach them that they don’t own the map. Still, it isn’t working as intended, and it won’t be as much fun as WvW should/used to be.

Depending on how good the guild is, bringing a larger force will show who owns the map, and it likely won’t be you…

That being said, it is unfortunate when there are disagreements, the OS is usually the best place to have scrims or GvG’s, so if they are in a BL it’s likely that OS was taken. Honestly, unless there is a queue on your map, you are better off just ignoring it. Sure, you have 20-30 guys that aren’t trying to capture objectives, but the enemy server(s) also have 20-30 people doing the same thing.

Unless them doing their own thing is somehow hindering you to do your thing, it’s not only respectful to leave them alone, but if you don’t, then you are going out of your way to make people mad, just for the sake of making people mad, in which case, you lose all rights to complain on the forums =P

Most of the players in GvG guilds roam in WvW when they dont have fights, or are part of the zerg, contributing to your servers performance. Let them have their fun once in a while. Watch the GvG’s and maybe you will actually feel like trying it at some point.

Kry.1697:

(…) or are carrying your zerg(…)

Fixed that for ya.

Coldtart.4785:

Kry.1697:

(…) or are carrying your zerg(…)

Fixed that for ya.

Thank you. That was very kind of you.

If they were really telling people to get off the map, that should definitely be reported but fighting toxic behavior with even more toxic behavior is not a solution; can’t really have a community that somehow arbitrarily decides a map is used for only certain people either way.

That being said, it’s unfortunate that there are people that are not respectful of the game mode by doing that, but I have to be a bit skeptical since your average GvG if I am up to date this consists of 20 people on either side and I am not sure if that really constitutes a zerg to be of any significance to that particular borderland given your average queues on t3 unless of course they’re dueling near an objective but I have only seen that all of one time and it was rightfully disrupted.

Being on SBI, I’m a bit skeptical that this has been a dominant phenomenon. Then again, I have seen sometimes these GvG transfer guilds occasionally help out in fights so they have been welcome as such though certainly there have been rotten apples as well. Then again, I do realize there are groups that are just using your server as their own playground and don’t care about you at all, but it would be a foolish idea to paint them under a single brush and simply focus on calling the toxic entities exactly what they are.

Frankly, a lot of negative behavior goes both ways, and if you’re causing people to go hostile when they could have been friendly, that’s really your loss, even if you were in the right previously.

Kry.1697:

Most of the players in GvG guilds roam in WvW when they dont have fights, or are part of the zerg, contributing to your servers performance. Let them have their fun once in a while. Watch the GvG’s and maybe you will actually feel like trying it at some point.

This.

This is usually the case when gvg and ppt get along. And they can. One engages and occupies the enemy, while the core group retakes/controls the rest of the map.

And off-hours, they’re part of a highly skilled/trained zerg.

It’s a shame people don’t realize both groups can coexist successfully on a map.

This discussion overlooks the most important underlying reasons for the behaviour of both sides. I would say that Kry, Jayne and Archon are almost reaching the topic with the comments on varied content, groups and transfers but not quite. I believe the OP is obscuring the reason why he’s so set on the interference or interfering with GvG on maps.

The underlying reasons are that various changes have created imbalances between differently sized groups and servers. As Archon mentions, a GvG generally ties up the same amount of players, but a point-minded player who is dominated elsewhere on the map feels as though those particular players, or their slots on the map, should go to help contending with a numerically superior force dominating him and his gameplay.

Even if the GvG does cause an inequal distribution of players, as two guilds square off and a third from one of those servers looks on, the issue is still the same: It’s perceived as an interference as the OP wants more players to other parts of the map, to fight a larger group of players. The OP then proceeds to interfere with the GvG and is unhappy when they self-regulate and kill him, while simple math would suggest that in most cases the scrims do not affect the overall outcome on the map, even though they may detract from a pickup group or not engage themselves with countering hostile pickup groups.

The issue is that the OP needs more players to counter the other groups on the map that outnumbers him. That’s likely where the frustrations come from – not the geographical space taken (conflicting definitions of space: players on map, rather than place on map).

At the same time, the same imbalances has made it more difficult for smaller guild-groups to play against larger pickup groups, so it’s not in their interest to play at the OP’s behest. We see more and more scrim-style (GvG) play as guilds have been made less important in the older roaming objectives or open-field style of play in the larger objective-oriented WvW-play. The balance of the game is essentially suggesting groups to find equally sized groups and a prevalence of scrim-style play is the result.

While the terms are similar, they actually sum it up pretty well – guilds have gone from skirmish to scrimmage.

I honestly find it a bit boring too, with so many guilds limiting their gameplay more and more to scrims, but the fault is on balance and changes, not the behaviour of the players as they cope and adapt.

Fuzzion.2504:

Come to T1 where there are no daily GvGs but just large small scale combat.

What does “large small scale” mean? Because “Small scale” is not what comes to mind when describing T1 WvW

Fighting other Guilds in Scrims or GvG’s is why i play. Most complaints come from those who enjoy hitting a Door or Guards more then actually fighting other ppl. Why do they complain ? Cause fighting Guilds take up space ? hardly they just dont have the quality and lack a Guild of there own to do this with. Fact is WvW is war and all aspects of it, banging your head vs empty Towers and keep just dont give us the challenge we want and OS is a ok place at best to fight in.

Stop crying so kitten much, we dont make post about u hitting Towers and Keeps do we ?

Ravezaar.4951:

Stop crying so kitten much, we dont make post about u hitting Towers and Keeps do we ?

Lol stop fibbing. You come and rescue our map all the time when we call for help.

Your guild is a stellar example of how well things work when there’s mutual respect.

My take on this is basically what Subversion said above. In T1 it has never really come across to my mind as much of an issue, beyond a commander letting us know they are about to engage in a GvG with a group and other forces should steer around instead. I was making the argument the other day that while we have scores and such in WvW, the maps operate more like an open world instances PVP area in other games. Its the closest aspect we have in GW2 to PVP servers. We just happen to have a score attached to the matchups and the population change between tiers is huge.

Still, we are a little over a month out from the expansion dropping. Guild Halls will (hopefully) offer a necessary place to develop this kind of fighting content. Heck I’m hoping we get more streaming going on and find more popularity returning to the game.

Simple laugh when they ask for spots for GVG.

@ANet, please note this thread. Guild Halls really should be large enough to allow for this kind of thing. This would also allow guilds from different tiers to engage and enjoy the game the way that they like as well and be able to enjoy contests against a varied group of opponents from different levels.

@OP, if a group becomes abusive while they are enjoying the content they want report them, that’s abuse and griefing both of which are against CoC. Abusing your own server mates is idiotic and just builds ill will and creates a really nasty environment that just end up killing games.

Can see both sides as others have above. GvG just want to have fun, but when they are also not aiding their side and if they have blocked others from joining a map that needs assistance that’s when it’s an issue. Having abusive members on top of that doesn’t help situations. Its pretty lazy not to take that kind of thing to somewhere like EoTM at those times where its really easy to taxi people in. At off times or in lower tiers it doesn’t matter as much.

Anyway, here’s hoping to Guild Halls helping people out.

TheGrimm.5624:

Anyway, here’s hoping to Guild Halls helping people out.

The arena in guild halls is too small for GvGs. If Anet would care about their GvG community, they would have implemented a real GvG. So stop hoping and try to get along with them.

illenos.5134:

TheGrimm.5624:

Anyway, here’s hoping to Guild Halls helping people out.

The arena in guild halls is too small for GvGs. If Anet would care about their GvG community, they would have implemented a real GvG. So stop hoping and try to get along with them.

What is the population of players permitted in guild hall battles?

dancingmonkey.4902:

illenos.5134:

TheGrimm.5624:

Anyway, here’s hoping to Guild Halls helping people out.

The arena in guild halls is too small for GvGs. If Anet would care about their GvG community, they would have implemented a real GvG. So stop hoping and try to get along with them.

What is the population of players permitted in guild hall battles?

It is not a question of population cap. The size of the arena on its own is too small to support the current GvG formats.

illenos.5134:

dancingmonkey.4902:

illenos.5134:

TheGrimm.5624:

Anyway, here’s hoping to Guild Halls helping people out.

The arena in guild halls is too small for GvGs. If Anet would care about their GvG community, they would have implemented a real GvG. So stop hoping and try to get along with them.

What is the population of players permitted in guild hall battles?

It is not a question of population cap. The size of the arena on its own is too small to support the current GvG formats.

A) You avoided my question, what is the population cap?

B) What is the arena size? size requirement is subjective.

C) When did you personally test it, that allowed you to make your determination?

The ppt’ers in T3 should transfer down to T4/5 and leave the gvg guilds to themselves in T3, just like the gvg guilds moved to T3 when the ppt’ers from T1 came to YB. Then watch them panic when one of the T3’s are at risk to drop in tiers.

P.S all gvg guilds shoulda moved to T8, you don’t have ppt and ppt players to worry about and can fight each other all day.

Oh please, what do you expect Guilds to play for nowadays?
PPT is pointless as it is, it really isn’t a proper balanced competition with much of a reward, but server pride which is much more to it than PPT, the other problem is there is little point to having much Server pride.

Just ignore those who spam map chat, both PPTers and GvGers can ruin your experience; by qqing about meaningless stuff, just enjoy the game how you want, in your own time.

illenos.5134:

TheGrimm.5624:

Anyway, here’s hoping to Guild Halls helping people out.

The arena in guild halls is too small for GvGs. If Anet would care about their GvG community, they would have implemented a real GvG. So stop hoping and try to get along with them.

We don’t know the exact size yet. I am agreeing that based on the filmed bits they have shown us it might to on the small side, but now is also a good time to make sure the point is pressed that a bigger space would not be a bad idea.

dancingmonkey.4902:

illenos.5134:

TheGrimm.5624:

Anyway, here’s hoping to Guild Halls helping people out.

The arena in guild halls is too small for GvGs. If Anet would care about their GvG community, they would have implemented a real GvG. So stop hoping and try to get along with them.

What is the population of players permitted in guild hall battles?

Haven’t seen any releases notes on the size yet.

This all feels like deja-vu to me back when I was in T2 the capital of GvG…

Liston.9708:

If it isn’t your home bl and is also not queued, I don’t see the problem tbh. Some of those guilds also assist when not gvg ing by running open raids etc.

The part I hated on YB, was that a few were pretty toxic in map chat. I am sure you have all heard a scout calling out an attack and someone shouting down “bleep ppt”… I don’t care if you don’t want to ppt (I often don’t either), but I never treat someone who does want to ppt as a second class citizen either….

On a side note, rumor that I heard was the gvg scene took a hiT moving to t3….

That is the issue, they may start on other borderlands but then they move onto home border. Their base ideal is not PPT but do their own thing. Many of these guilds will not help you save a keep or tower, even if they are not doing anything else they just don’t care. Their whole ethos is selfish. It would be much less of a problem if they had moved all the way down to bottom tier.

Obsidian Sanctum is too small and is shared by all groups. The new guild halls arena may also suffer the same issue. They need a large roughly flat area where guilds can do their own stuff. EotM is not suitable as there is no guarantee they can get all their people on, or meet their selected opponents.

Then, no matter what, you will always get some trying to do PvP on a WvW map. The only way to beat them seems to be get a large number of people together and run over their GvG until they give up.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

This all feels like deja-vu to me back when I was in T2 the capital of GvG…

I call them waterfield wars lol…..

GVG = gw1.

It was better when they used the wind mill area, at least they were out of the way, its along the same lines as dueling beside SM, they should stay out of high traffic areas.

It also could have been avoided if anet didn’t ignore the constant requests for a proper gvg area.

Its a combination of two ignorance, they are ignorant to everyone elses play style while expecting people to respect theirs and anet is ignorant for ignoring a mode that at one point brought in more viewers than any PvP tournament. Its a vicious cycle, they really should have some respect for other though if you want people to respect your GvG fights then have the decency to go back to the wind mill and stay out of high traffic areas.

Serious.6940:

Liston.9708:

If it isn’t your home bl and is also not queued, I don’t see the problem tbh. Some of those guilds also assist when not gvg ing by running open raids etc.

The part I hated on YB, was that a few were pretty toxic in map chat. I am sure you have all heard a scout calling out an attack and someone shouting down “bleep ppt”… I don’t care if you don’t want to ppt (I often don’t either), but I never treat someone who does want to ppt as a second class citizen either….

On a side note, rumor that I heard was the gvg scene took a hiT moving to t3….

That is the issue, they may start on other borderlands but then they move onto home border. Their base ideal is not PPT but do their own thing. Many of these guilds will not help you save a keep or tower, even if they are not doing anything else they just don’t care. Their whole ethos is selfish. It would be much less of a problem if they had moved all the way down to bottom tier.

Obsidian Sanctum is too small and is shared by all groups. The new guild halls arena may also suffer the same issue. They need a large roughly flat area where guilds can do their own stuff. EotM is not suitable as there is no guarantee they can get all their people on, or meet their selected opponents.

Then, no matter what, you will always get some trying to do PvP on a WvW map. The only way to beat them seems to be get a large number of people together and run over their GvG until they give up.

If there is no que they are not “taking up space”. If the gvg guild wasn’t there, do you really think more numbers will magically appear for defense? I am not a part of the gvg scene, but as long as they are not on a queued map there is no harm no foul… My bigger complaint is with the map chat attitude that some have, but that can also occur on the ppt side too…

Edit: I suppose the gvg guilds could cause a server to go full, but I don’t think that is a real issue as they don’t want queues nor full status to refill their ranks from outside the server.

TheGrimm.5624:

dancingmonkey.4902:

illenos.5134:

TheGrimm.5624:

Anyway, here’s hoping to Guild Halls helping people out.

The arena in guild halls is too small for GvGs. If Anet would care about their GvG community, they would have implemented a real GvG. So stop hoping and try to get along with them.

What is the population of players permitted in guild hall battles?

Haven’t seen any releases notes on the size yet.

Yeah, that was kind of my point. He was proclaiming to us, what a guild arena is capable of handling, when there is no real information on the subject.

Well there used to be a few guilds like you described on gunnars hold, they were abusive in team, did nothing to help out home bl in primetime when they were wasting slots, and in their offtime they trolled our commanders/other guilds. They were wasting slots on the map in primetime and not defending, so we were losing the whole map alot of the time b/c we simply could not get enough actual defenders in.

So myself, my guild, and quite a few other just decided to do what we could to make them leave, we’d treb their fights, stealth trap the enemies they fought, hit with siege, call ppt zerg to wipe enemy, basicly we made it clear we did not want them on our home bl, and we didn’t stop this until they left, it took about a month. It was worth it.

100% worth doing if they are becoming a detriment to your server, if they do nothing to assimilate into the population and do not play to help the server then you should do what you can without breaking the rules to get them off ya server, ruining their fights and using siege to kill the enemies they fight, running over their fights with ppt blob, all things you can do that break no rules. It’s also ALOT of fun doing it, lol.

VaaCrow.3076:

Well there used to be a few guilds like you described on gunnars hold, they were abusive in team, did nothing to help out home bl in primetime when they were wasting slots, and in their offtime they trolled our commanders/other guilds. They were wasting slots on the map in primetime and not defending, so we were losing the whole map alot of the time b/c we simply could not get enough actual defenders in.

So myself, my guild, and quite a few other just decided to do what we could to make them leave, we’d treb their fights, stealth trap the enemies they fought, hit with siege, call ppt zerg to wipe enemy, basicly we made it clear we did not want them on our home bl, and we didn’t stop this until they left, it took about a month. It was worth it.

100% worth doing if they are becoming a detriment to your server, if they do nothing to assimilate into the population and do not play to help the server then you should do what you can without breaking the rules to get them off ya server, ruining their fights and using siege to kill the enemies they fight, running over their fights with ppt blob, all things you can do that break no rules. It’s also ALOT of fun doing it, lol.

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You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

Tongku.5326:

Daddar.5971:

Exactly, yes I’m in T3. I suppose I’ll have to start trolling them or bringing a large force to teach them that they don’t own the map. Still, it isn’t working as intended, and it won’t be as much fun as WvW should/used to be.

you may need to go as far as tanking some matches, its unfortunate but true, just let the other servers go take your stuff for a while and forget recapping. camp them instead of objectives, its that simple. yea you may end up sliding down for a couple weeks, but then they will rage even more, and since you’ll break them up, they will have to server hop. thats how you get them out.

And so the cycle begins. Setting clock countdown for T3 implosion…. now.

Jayne.9251:

You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

I don’t see how he can get banned for doing what you are supposed to do in WvW

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

I don’t see how he can get banned for doing what you are supposed to do in WvW

She’s admitting to being purposefully disruptive and attacking teammates in order to get them to leave. It’s griefing.

Jayne.9251:

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

I don’t see how he can get banned for doing what you are supposed to do in WvW

She’s admitting to being purposefully disruptive and attacking teammates in order to get them to leave. It’s griefing.

Nope, they were wiping out the enemy on their map who happened to be trying to GVG their teammates. You are supposed to wipe out the enemy on your map and no amount of make-believe GvG etiquette rules can change that.

Obsidian Sanctum has lovely locations for GvG; in BLs, disruptions should be expected.

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

I don’t see how he can get banned for doing what you are supposed to do in WvW

She’s admitting to being purposefully disruptive and attacking teammates in order to get them to leave. It’s griefing.

Nope, they were wiping out the enemy on their map who happened to be trying to GVG their teammates. You are supposed to wipe out the enemy on your map and no amount of make-believe GvG etiquette rules can change that.

Obsidian Sanctum has lovely locations for GvG; in BLs, disruptions should be expected.

Yes, but she didn’t say that did she?

VaaCrow.3076:

Well there used to be a few guilds like you described on gunnars hold, they were abusive in team, did nothing to help out home bl in primetime when they were wasting slots, and in their offtime they trolled our commanders/other guilds. They were wasting slots on the map in primetime and not defending, so we were losing the whole map alot of the time b/c we simply could not get enough actual defenders in.

So myself, my guild, and quite a few other just decided to do what we could to make them leave, we’d treb their fights, stealth trap the enemies they fought, hit with siege, call ppt zerg to wipe enemy, basicly we made it clear we did not want them on our home bl, and we didn’t stop this until they left, it took about a month. It was worth it.

100% worth doing if they are becoming a detriment to your server, if they do nothing to assimilate into the population and do not play to help the server then you should do what you can without breaking the rules to get them off ya server, ruining their fights and using siege to kill the enemies they fight, running over their fights with ppt blob, all things you can do that break no rules. It’s also ALOT of fun doing it, lol.

Man, I wish we had commanders with some balls and servers united enough to pull this on NA. Bummer our commanders are basically kitten in face of the abuse and problems and the decline in already dwindling communities that these guys cause.

You guys did it right. WvW needs more like you.

Tobias Steele.2071:

Everyone should have the right to play as they wish so long as it remains within the laws of the game. If they’re minding their own business and not queuing your home map then leaving them alone is the best thing to do. If however they’re toxic, condescending, abusive or they queue the home map. There are certain things you can do…. cough treb cows from spawn cough

Why, oh why did I leave treb mastery for last? Brilliant idea!

Disrupting what players from another server are trying to do is the whole point of WvW, GvG ‘rules’ notwithstanding. I am sick and tired of my own BL running a queue, with over half of it in enemy hands. When I finally get in, it’s just guild blobs standing around, doing nothing. Those guilds are recent transfers from T2 down to T3. I’m not ‘crying about it’ (thanks for the trolling insults which prove my point about how obnoxious some GvG people are!) but I will play the way I want…

Jayne.9251:

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

I don’t see how he can get banned for doing what you are supposed to do in WvW

She’s admitting to being purposefully disruptive and attacking teammates in order to get them to leave. It’s griefing.

Nope, they were wiping out the enemy on their map who happened to be trying to GVG their teammates. You are supposed to wipe out the enemy on your map and no amount of make-believe GvG etiquette rules can change that.

Obsidian Sanctum has lovely locations for GvG; in BLs, disruptions should be expected.

Yes, but she didn’t say that did she?

I made sure what i was doing wasn’t breaking the rules, i was using siege to kill enemies, i was using traps to kill enemies, we were tagging up to lead our zerg to wipe enemies. Just massive coinsidence those enemies were choosing to GvG. And as for being kill on sight, i welcome it, when they can’t kill us and die it makes it even better!

Funny this thread.

We all bought the game and have the same rights to play it, no one owns any map nor is the holder of the truth. There is plenty of space for variated game modes, players who have problems to accept we are different and find fun in different things are the ones who starts these non sense infights and brings out the toxicity.

Interesting enough I see PPT’ers being toxic in map chat almost daily and have yet to see any GvG guild doing the same.

My advise: If your border is queued up and some havoc/ PPT guild is hitting up and don’t have the numbers to push them back, then change maps and retaliate them back. Sometimes being proactive is much better than being defensive.

VaaCrow.3076:

Jayne.9251:

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

I don’t see how he can get banned for doing what you are supposed to do in WvW

She’s admitting to being purposefully disruptive and attacking teammates in order to get them to leave. It’s griefing.

Nope, they were wiping out the enemy on their map who happened to be trying to GVG their teammates. You are supposed to wipe out the enemy on your map and no amount of make-believe GvG etiquette rules can change that.

Obsidian Sanctum has lovely locations for GvG; in BLs, disruptions should be expected.

Yes, but she didn’t say that did she?

I made sure what i was doing wasn’t breaking the rules, i was using siege to kill enemies, i was using traps to kill enemies, we were tagging up to lead our zerg to wipe enemies. Just massive coinsidence those enemies were choosing to GvG. And as for being kill on sight, i welcome it, when they can’t kill us and die it makes it even better!

What you described was griefing.

You didn’t say you were chasing off the enemy. You said you were trolling your home team (even if they were GvG guilds). That means because they weren’t playing the way you wanted them to play, you did things to harass them until they left. And you even said you got a giggle out of doing it, too.

What you did was against the rules. You described it yourself. There is no defense of your actions. You wrote what you did yourself. If you hadn’t of said anything, sure you could justify it by saying you were attacking the enemy. Sadly, you own confession indicates abuse and harassment of other players.

Jayne.9251:

VaaCrow.3076:

Well there used to be a few guilds like you described on gunnars hold, they were abusive in team, did nothing to help out home bl in primetime when they were wasting slots, and in their offtime they trolled our commanders/other guilds. They were wasting slots on the map in primetime and not defending, so we were losing the whole map alot of the time b/c we simply could not get enough actual defenders in.

So myself, my guild, and quite a few other just decided to do what we could to make them leave, we’d treb their fights, stealth trap the enemies they fought, hit with siege, call ppt zerg to wipe enemy, basicly we made it clear we did not want them on our home bl, and we didn’t stop this until they left, it took about a month. It was worth it.

100% worth doing if they are becoming a detriment to your server, if they do nothing to assimilate into the population and do not play to help the server then you should do what you can without breaking the rules to get them off ya server, ruining their fights and using siege to kill the enemies they fight, running over their fights with ppt blob, all things you can do that break no rules. It’s also ALOT of fun doing it, lol.

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You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

What section of the ToS states it is illegal to use siege attacks against enemy combatants? Can you quote the specific section that makes placing traps for enemy combatants against the rules?

Jayne.9251:

MaximillianVonSchatten.6278:

Jayne.9251:

You realize statements like these will make your entire guild KOS to enemy servers right?

What you’re describing and admitting to is trolling/purposefully griefing. And I believe you can get banned for that.

I don’t see how he can get banned for doing what you are supposed to do in WvW

She’s admitting to being purposefully disruptive and attacking teammates in order to get them to leave. It’s griefing.

Your not being honest. Anyone knows you literally cannot attack team mates in WvW.