I thought I made that clear. Yes, queues aren’t fun but why get upset about it, it’s first come, first served just wait your turn to play. They paid like everybody else and they don’t owe anybody anything. The very second you start thinking people are taking up space or “blocking” anyone simply because they are on the map and have removed themselves from your approved activities is the moment that you’ve just face planted into the entitled zone.
How far does this opinion go? Does it cover crafting/AFK parties on Friday nights in the home borderland?
While fulfilling their main purpose (GvG/crafting/AFK) none of these people are “contributing”. On the other hand, just like people could stop their GvG to go help the cause for a few minutes, so can crafters and AFKers.
Anything goes there, and no one should complain about how other players and groups of players spend their time there.
Really? So, like I said earlier, if I make a guild whose sole purpose is to track and wreck any GvG activities you will still think that? I can already see the Guild sig [GvGW] (GvG Wrecking crew). When you play the "anything goes "card, you better be prepared for “anything”. This is a very absurd stance to be blunt about it.
I would really love to see this happen.
How on earth did this old topic get 4 pages in this short time is beyond me. Well played OP.
@Sirbeaumerdier
Slap on the false dichotomy label if you want since there’s always the option to whine. But since we’re talking facts and reality and such, it remains that you cannot do anything to morph the priorities of others to match your own hence my suggestion of getting in where you fit in. Negative impact on what exactly? Let me guess, PPT. You’re operating under the assumption that everybody should care about it and those who do are somehow more important and non PPT related activities are somehow less than. That’s your main gripe. I’m saying it again, it’s selfish and short of breaking the TOS, people can do whatever they want, you are no more important than the guys doing the Dolyak parade or the twelve people hanging around a box of fun while others duel nearby, please deal with that.
So your ok with a servers guild (some are 40+ raiding force guilds) hosting these PvP events on their own servers home map thus blocking the rest of the server from being able to play? Who’s being selfish now? I’m sure this was not the intention when this event occured and they probably would try it elsewhere if they could next time but who’s the one really being selfish?
I thought I made that clear. Yes, queues aren’t fun but why get upset about it, it’s first come, first served just wait your turn to play. They paid like everybody else and they don’t owe anybody anything. The very second you start thinking people are taking up space or “blocking” anyone simply because they are on the map and have removed themselves from your approved activities is the moment that you’ve just face planted into the entitled zone. And arguing semantics about WvWvW not being a PvP zone just looks foolish as it’s a low grade derailment.
@Sirbeaumerdier
We’re comparing WvWvW to an actual sport now, with rules, regulations, controlled teams and arenas and /drumroll …balance? Please don’t. And then you go on to compare people actively sabotaging other players’ activities to players simply being on 24/7 opened map? Come on now.
1)Speaking of entitlements, paying for something, anything, doesn’t entitle anyone the right to do what the hell they want no matter the context. I’ve paid for my car and driver’s licence and I’m expected to stay on the road with my car not drive through your home with it just because I can.
2)It’s not because an analogy is imperfect that you can cast aside all that still apply to it. I think you got the point already. You don’t like it and are not very open to it, but you get it.
I’ll repeat it hopefully for the last time, I don’t want you guys to stop managing yourself a spot where you can have fun. I just want you to do so using your head and your heart. Doing GvG in prime time on any WvW map, for example, is not really respectful and well thought of.
How on earth did this old topic get 4 pages in this short time is beyond me. Well played OP.
For one, I’m rather new on the forum so what is old to you doesn’t really feel old to me. Also, if this topic still come to haunt you today chances are it’s because the problem hasn’t been resolved and trying to avoid tackling it won’t make it disappear.
Sometimes, my guild will have GvG practice nights in EBG, where we only run with 15 people that are on the GvG team or backups for it and we work on basic strategies like movement, recovery, and coordinating bombs and whatnot. During these nights, which are only once or twice per week, we fight other guilds we come across in open field and don’t actively siege other structures, unless theres a lot of guilds in SM trying to take it, we might go there to fight them. Do you view this as a problem too? And typically its on weeknights where little to no queue exists on SoS NA for EBG anyway.
And also OP, what would you suggest that guilds do when the OS is in use? Just wait until its available? And considering we’re in T2 servers where most GvGs happen, thats unrealistic as 30 people (15 each side) can’t really be available for GvGs all night waiting their “turn” at the OS.
Sometimes, my guild will have GvG practice nights in EBG, where we only run with 15 people that are on the GvG team or backups for it and we work on basic strategies like movement, recovery, and coordinating bombs and whatnot. During these nights, which are only once or twice per week, we fight other guilds we come across in open field and don’t actively siege other structures, unless theres a lot of guilds in SM trying to take it, we might go there to fight them. Do you view this as a problem too? And typically its on weeknights where little to no queue exists on SoS NA for EBG anyway.
And also OP, what would you suggest that guilds do when the OS is in use? Just wait until its available? And considering we’re in T2 servers where most GvGs happen, thats unrealistic as 30 people (15 each side) can’t really be available for GvGs all night waiting their “turn” at the OS.
It’s been said a few times on this thread. The 2 servers that are doing the GvG should go to server # 3’s borderland. Windmill is a good spot.. south island is pretty nice. There the will not troll their own server by preventing play in their homeland.
Sometimes, my guild will have GvG practice nights in EBG, where we only run with 15 people that are on the GvG team or backups for it and we work on basic strategies like movement, recovery, and coordinating bombs and whatnot. During these nights, which are only once or twice per week, we fight other guilds we come across in open field and don’t actively siege other structures, unless theres a lot of guilds in SM trying to take it, we might go there to fight them. Do you view this as a problem too? And typically its on weeknights where little to no queue exists on SoS NA for EBG anyway.
And also OP, what would you suggest that guilds do when the OS is in use? Just wait until its available? And considering we’re in T2 servers where most GvGs happen, thats unrealistic as 30 people (15 each side) can’t really be available for GvGs all night waiting their “turn” at the OS.
It’s been said a few times on this thread. The 2 servers that are doing the GvG should go to server # 3’s borderland. Windmill is a good spot.. south island is pretty nice. There the will not troll their own server by preventing play in their homeland.
And if possible avoid rush hours… but even if just doing what you suggested here and before, it would show a modicum of respect and thinking.
Sometimes, my guild will have GvG practice nights in EBG, where we only run with 15 people that are on the GvG team or backups for it and we work on basic strategies like movement, recovery, and coordinating bombs and whatnot. During these nights, which are only once or twice per week, we fight other guilds we come across in open field and don’t actively siege other structures, unless theres a lot of guilds in SM trying to take it, we might go there to fight them. Do you view this as a problem too? And typically its on weeknights where little to no queue exists on SoS NA for EBG anyway.
And also OP, what would you suggest that guilds do when the OS is in use? Just wait until its available? And considering we’re in T2 servers where most GvGs happen, thats unrealistic as 30 people (15 each side) can’t really be available for GvGs all night waiting their “turn” at the OS.
It’s been said a few times on this thread. The 2 servers that are doing the GvG should go to server # 3’s borderland. Windmill is a good spot.. south island is pretty nice. There the will not troll their own server by preventing play in their homeland.
But of course if one of your objectives on that map were to get attacked and you lost it, you would still be here crying.
It’s been said a few times on this thread. The 2 servers that are doing the GvG should go to server # 3’s borderland. Windmill is a good spot.. south island is pretty nice. There the will not troll their own server by preventing play in their homeland.
But of course if one of your objectives on that map were to get attacked and you lost it, you would still be here crying.
This comment shows that you have not bothered to understand anything written here. No one is going to care about what you think on the subject if you continue to not care about what others think on the subject.
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It’s been said a few times on this thread. The 2 servers that are doing the GvG should go to server # 3’s borderland. Windmill is a good spot.. south island is pretty nice. There the will not troll their own server by preventing play in their homeland.
But of course if one of your objectives on that map were to get attacked and you lost it, you would still be here crying.
This comment shows that you have not bothered to understand anything written here.
Well correct me if I’m wrong, but the problem here is that GvG’s take up otherwise “useful” spots creating a queue, and as a result you can’t defend objectives. Or is it something else now that GvG’s cause? All of that can happen on any borderland, so the suggestion of doing it on the third border, can have the exact same effect as if you did it on any other border, or at least create the same problems you are whining about. Unless the only border you actually care about is home border, then of course doing it on any other map would be beneficial to you, EB, or the other two borders. However, assuming you have some form of presence in all the maps, and own a keep, if you lost that and there was a GvG on the map, I guarantee you would still be on the forums crying about it.
Well correct me if I’m wrong, but the problem here is that GvG’s take up otherwise “useful” spots creating a queue, and as a result you can’t defend objectives. Or is it something else now that GvG’s cause? All of that can happen on any borderland, so the suggestion of doing it on the third border, can have the exact same effect as if you did it on any other border, or at least create the same problems you are whining about. Unless the only border you actually care about is home border, then of course doing it on any other map would be beneficial to you, EB, or the other two borders. However, assuming you have some form of presence in all the maps, and own a keep, if you lost that and there was a GvG on the map, I guarantee you would still be on the forums crying about it.
What your saying could be true warrior. The difference is servers usually tend to focus on defending their home border first, then their 1/3 of EB, then plan other offences after that. If a major offence occured at the time of said GvG it could weaken the attack but people don’t care as much about lost borderland offensives as they do about having their home wrecked.
IMO, GvG will be the ruin of wvw as we know it.
It’s been said a few times on this thread. The 2 servers that are doing the GvG should go to server # 3’s borderland. Windmill is a good spot.. south island is pretty nice. There the will not troll their own server by preventing play in their homeland.
But of course if one of your objectives on that map were to get attacked and you lost it, you would still be here crying.
This comment shows that you have not bothered to understand anything written here.
Well correct me if I’m wrong, but the problem here is that GvG’s take up otherwise “useful” spots creating a queue, and as a result you can’t defend objectives. Or is it something else now that GvG’s cause? All of that can happen on any borderland
No one cares about other borderlands. It was said time and again about the home borderland only. The fact that you ignore these words and come up with yet another post that ignores these words shows your lack of interest in caring about what others are saying. Yes, that can happen on any borderland but NO ONE CARES because the PPT-ers are trying to be respectful of the game mode and are only asking for a little respect back.
Human societies are constructs of social contracts and WvW is no different. There was a social contract on this subject in place in the past pre-OS: the third-server borderland. A small percentage of players, just like in real societies, always test those limits. And just like in real societies, the only way to assert rights and enforce social contracts is with force. And that’s why those that show no mutual respect to the social contract will find their game mode violated. The sandbox nature of WvW allows for it.
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@ OP
Your tears are delicious, give me more.
You should probably quit typing a and get back to manning your arrowcart.
Your analogies are terrible and make absolutely no sense.
You contradict yourself with every post.
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