Guild Wars 2

Over the past hour or so there have been reports of persons from NSP (one of which is a ranger) solo capping towers in EBG and the DHBL in our match-up (DH vs NSP vs HoD). The last recent take was a fully upgraded Jerrifer’s Slough (at ~21:00 EST) in EBG without any siege at all.

Before that about 10mins before a Ranger was spotted in Aldon’s Ledge, again no walls down, no gates down, no siege on the ground either but at Lords attempting to take the tower by itself.

I’m not going to ask for the best way to report this since not everyone who plays WvW has recording software ready under the assumption that they are going to run into someone who abnormally gained access to a tower or Keep.

This kind of activity has been going on for years at this stage. What I want to know is whether this is business as usual or will this too be fixed in the up-coming major WvW patch?

That sounds like the former Henge of Denravi hackers. Try and get some proof and the character name and send it to the email exploits@arena.net

What I am trying to say is that is sending an email to x address really the optimal way to solve this issue? Right now we have discussions surrounding the impact and value of PPT in the WvW community.

If this was done outside of prime time, let’s say during minimum pop times in match-ups would there be anyone around to send an email? What would the resulting impact on scores be when the now unknown and definitely unseen individuals continue this activity?

Players sending emails on the rare chance that they spot the individual (and they don’t just speed hack away as quickly as possible) is, in my opinion, not an appropriate solution to these issues. It has clearly been failing to resolve these issues over the past at least two years as this activity is still occurring. It clearly could have unseen impacts on match-up results that we can not quantify at this stage (not that end of the week results really matter; yay 6 more greens than the other guy).

With F2P accounts now easily available to new and potentially previously banned players, what is the next step from here? Does ANet now need to run hack prevention software alongside the GW2 client? Is this under consideration since this game is e-Sports now?

That’s the kind of stuff that I want to know about. It would certainly add some credibility to the other competitive scenes as well.

Looking at the salt forums it appears that the former HOD hackers are doing it:

http://www.gw2wvw.net/comment/270724#comment-270724

LilBiM.3581:

What I am trying to say is that is sending an email to x address really the optimal way to solve this issue?

The optimal way would be adding real GMs to the game who actually monitor all activities and insta-ban all such people.

We had many of these threads about year ago when hackers were active in lower EU tiers. It took several months to get rid of them, and even then the quickest way looked to be having lots of noise in Reddit. Most threads about hackers in specific servers, with links to proofs, videos and screenshots, got deleted from these forums anyway.

LilBiM.3581:

Over the past hour or so there have been reports of persons from NSP (one of which is a ranger) solo capping towers in EBG and the DHBL in our match-up (DH vs NSP vs HoD). The last recent take was a fully upgraded Jerrifer’s Slough (at ~21:00 EST) in EBG without any siege at all.

Before that about 10mins before a Ranger was spotted in Aldon’s Ledge, again no walls down, no gates down, no siege on the ground either but at Lords attempting to take the tower by itself.

I’m not going to ask for the best way to report this since not everyone who plays WvW has recording software ready under the assumption that they are going to run into someone who abnormally gained access to a tower or Keep.

This kind of activity has been going on for years at this stage. What I want to know is whether this is business as usual or will this too be fixed in the up-coming major WvW patch?

Well how do you suggest for it to be solved? I mean come on do you really think that Arena Net have the means to monitor every person inside of wvw to be able to stop them? We need to help them, and they ofc need solid proof for it or it could be abused to a point were players would be banned for something they never done, just getting trolled.

Now i get it that you are not able to make the proof, but ask in mapchat for someone that can and then send it to exploits@arena.net
The better proof the easier it is for A-Net to find them.

Wow these scumbags are still at it..anet seriously get off your kittenes and get rid of these people, ban their ip’s or something kitten .

It’s hard to get proof because these are experienced hackers who have refined their techniques after being banned multiple times (not to make them sound like a big deal, they refer to themselves in the third person so…). What do we do? Take a picture of them inside a tower/keep with no damage (kinda hard to show that every wall/gate is completely okay)? It can be dismissed with “they were simply hiding inside”. It’s a difficult/awkward situation for opposing servers to handle, considering I don’t think they “fly” in but rather teleport; it’s hard to catch them in the act (since it’s instantaneous and can happen from—and to—anywhere).

For those who do want to try to get video proof of these hackers, they pretty much always announce when they’re going to start their hacking run on GW2wvw.net (the salt forums). If you’re wanting to sit in a tower/keep while recording, give it a shot.

do they (anet) even know that such thing (GW2wvw.net) exists?

Leaa.2943:

LilBiM.3581:

Over the past hour or so there have been reports of persons from NSP (one of which is a ranger) solo capping towers in EBG and the DHBL in our match-up (DH vs NSP vs HoD). The last recent take was a fully upgraded Jerrifer’s Slough (at ~21:00 EST) in EBG without any siege at all.

Before that about 10mins before a Ranger was spotted in Aldon’s Ledge, again no walls down, no gates down, no siege on the ground either but at Lords attempting to take the tower by itself.

I’m not going to ask for the best way to report this since not everyone who plays WvW has recording software ready under the assumption that they are going to run into someone who abnormally gained access to a tower or Keep.

This kind of activity has been going on for years at this stage. What I want to know is whether this is business as usual or will this too be fixed in the up-coming major WvW patch?

Well how do you suggest for it to be solved? I mean come on do you really think that Arena Net have the means to monitor every person inside of wvw to be able to stop them? We need to help them, and they ofc need solid proof for it or it could be abused to a point were players would be banned for something they never done, just getting trolled.

Now i get it that you are not able to make the proof, but ask in mapchat for someone that can and then send it to exploits@arena.net
The better proof the easier it is for A-Net to find them.

Same suggestion I made years ago. Anet needs to let each server put forth a few names to represent their communities. Give these players the ability to suspend the hackers accounts. They will need to give Anet video proof of the hacking, once it is proven Anet can ban them. If the representatives are found to be abusing their power they will lose their own accounts.

This means in most cases hackers will be stopped instantly instead of having to deal with them for months at a time.

One thing that might curb these individuals would be to disallow Free-to-Play players from entering WvW. The hackers in question are rumored to be creating new accounts using the FtP system. So as soon as they get banned they just make a new account that costs them nothing.

Arius.7031:

For those who do want to try to get video proof of these hackers, they pretty much always announce when they’re going to start their hacking run on GW2wvw.net (the salt forums). If you’re wanting to sit in a tower/keep while recording, give it a shot.

No worries. We were on HoD BL last evening chasing these clowns around, and got several videos of them appearing from nowhere in the Lord’s room of each keep.

I got infracted for making the same thread last week. And it was removed. I never used acct names/igns or anything of the like. The lack of help getting rid of these players is disappointing to say the least.

JDjitsu.7895:

I got infracted for making the same thread last week. And it was removed. I never used acct names/igns or anything of the like. The lack of help getting rid of these players is disappointing to say the least.

Don’t worry, this thread will be equally short lived. This forum is a playground for moderators, and nothing more. When the topic hits reddit again is when the devs will see it.

FogLeg.9354:

LilBiM.3581:

What I am trying to say is that is sending an email to x address really the optimal way to solve this issue?

The optimal way would be adding real GMs to the game who actually monitor all.

The Optimal way to fix this would be to make it that if you get under the map either by exploit or by random blink ( random skill glitch, IE accident ) that you take 500,000 damage a second, thus giving you no chance to do anything,

Maybe Anet could add something under the map like a map marker ( POI ) that can only be triggered by getting under the map, and if you trigger it, it automatically tags your account for monitoring, if it triggers it twice it instant bans you by having DHUMM spawn grab your body take you to the top of SMC and throw you off the top.

Modern games are pretty complicated, for example they include hundreds of pieces of code for game engine that are included in ready-made packages. There could be some silly divide-by-zero error in the physics module that happens very rarely and only with certain GPU/CPU configuration. (I am making up stuff, don’t start huge thread in Reddit about broken physics module! But i have also written lenghty tutorial about vector physics in simple games and struggled with that stupid divide-by-zero error for months).

I am also sure there is already lots of checks in the game that try to detect and fix such errors. But hackers have endless time and constantly find new ways to break the game. The live GMs are implemented in most game just because they can act against all kind of different bad stuff – hacking, insulting, gold selling etc etc. GM system has been working on online games for decades and GW2 would benefit from it too.

X T D.6458:

Wow these scumbags are still at it..anet seriously get off your kittenes and get rid of these people, ban their ip’s or something kitten .

They cant, and F2P game means they are doing it on f2p acc, seriously for a f2p game gw2 is in a very good state of cheating players.

Aeolus.3615:

X T D.6458:

Wow these scumbags are still at it..anet seriously get off your kittenes and get rid of these people, ban their ip’s or something kitten .

They cant, and F2P game means they are doing it on f2p acc, seriously for a f2p game gw2 is in a very good state of cheating players.

This game is not F2P. It is B2P. Please get your facts right. And YES they could deny F2P accounts from WvW – they can’t whisper more than 1 per 30 sec for example.

These guys are still at it? Wow…..F2P strikes again. If it were pve or pvp it would be instantly taken care of that day with a nice red post in forums.

“WvW? Meh we’ll get to it when we get to it” -anet.

Dusty Moon.4382, yeah and under lvl 60 locked to access that map.

If they lock f2p from access wvw, would that hurt wvw player numbers??

DomAltares.8651:

Arius.7031:

For those who do want to try to get video proof of these hackers, they pretty much always announce when they’re going to start their hacking run on GW2wvw.net (the salt forums). If you’re wanting to sit in a tower/keep while recording, give it a shot.

No worries. We were on HoD BL last evening chasing these clowns around, and got several videos of them appearing from nowhere in the Lord’s room of each keep.

Send the video to the exploits@arena.net email.

Im sooo surprised theres not a red post yet. /sarcasm
Gotta make Reddit threads for devs to actually see and do anything for this game.

Wow – this is crazy. I play as a roamer on NSP. I was on a borderland just taking camps, when I see we took a tower, then another tower, then a keep. I’m thinking, “Wow – we must have quite a force out.” So I start building a cata to take a tower. I come back with supply and see swords on the tower. So I run around to see if it’s being attacked from other side. We cap the tower by the time I get to the other side. No seige in site.

I decide to switch maps. I see one of our towers just got taken. I go to ambush the attackers figuring it might be only two or three. Nobody comes out. I see a dot at our sentry by south camp. Run over and there’s a HoD guy there. I attack him, and he does nothing for a couple seconds. Then he just disappears. I see swords on our other tower. Go running over there. Nobody inside, no walls or gates down, no siege.

This is not fun.

Yeah, saw that towers were being flipped literally seconds after swords pop, then next thing you know all the towers and camps flipped 10 min later. It wouldn’t surprise me if they are on both servers. Just need a dev to take a 10 min break around NA prime to catch them. I don’t want to have to, but I’ll start spamming devs with my alts to get their attention when the hackers are doing their thing. Or we all can… Might have to annoy them into taking action

I remember when these guys were taking NSP towers way back … maybe a year or more ago. Getting Anet to do anything is like pulling teeth.

Either ignore them and let your towers be taken, or just log off for the week.. your blood pressure will thank you.

Leaa.2943:

LilBiM.3581:

Over the past hour or so there have been reports of persons from NSP (one of which is a ranger) solo capping towers in EBG and the DHBL in our match-up (DH vs NSP vs HoD). The last recent take was a fully upgraded Jerrifer’s Slough (at ~21:00 EST) in EBG without any siege at all.

Before that about 10mins before a Ranger was spotted in Aldon’s Ledge, again no walls down, no gates down, no siege on the ground either but at Lords attempting to take the tower by itself.

I’m not going to ask for the best way to report this since not everyone who plays WvW has recording software ready under the assumption that they are going to run into someone who abnormally gained access to a tower or Keep.

This kind of activity has been going on for years at this stage. What I want to know is whether this is business as usual or will this too be fixed in the up-coming major WvW patch?

Well how do you suggest for it to be solved? I mean come on do you really think that Arena Net have the means to monitor every person inside of wvw to be able to stop them? We need to help them, and they ofc need solid proof for it or it could be abused to a point were players would be banned for something they never done, just getting trolled.

Now i get it that you are not able to make the proof, but ask in mapchat for someone that can and then send it to exploits@arena.net
The better proof the easier it is for A-Net to find them.

They actually do. Anet has the ability to spectators stalk anyone they want anywhere in the entire game.

dubstax.9102:

That website mentioned earlier has some of the most toxic people I have ever seen that frequent it. I just wanted to point that out.

I know several players who post there and they are all actually very nice guys. The site and those posts there are just for fun, sort of lets-try-to-create-even-more-insult-against-opponent-metagame. Anyway, thats how I read those reactions from enemies, good for laughs.

FogLeg.9354:

LilBiM.3581:

What I am trying to say is that is sending an email to x address really the optimal way to solve this issue?

The optimal way would be adding real GMs to the game who actually monitor all activities and insta-ban all such people.

We had many of these threads about year ago when hackers were active in lower EU tiers. It took several months to get rid of them, and even then the quickest way looked to be having lots of noise in Reddit. Most threads about hackers in specific servers, with links to proofs, videos and screenshots, got deleted from these forums anyway.

Too bad for the game anet sends in GMs only when people make countless forums threads about hacking players. If GMs were present in wvw, they would respond to any reports much faster and the players themselves wouldn’t hack as often. Only an idiot would do something like that knowing there is a gm around. The fact that I saw lately even high wvw ranks use 3rd party programs, tells me that some people got fed up after seeing hackers and decided to roll with it too.

Would Anet personel waste their time in stalking hackers? No.

It only requires to monitor player positions in the server code to catch abnormal activity. Flying, teleporting. Server code can check if gates are open or wall down. And to save server resources, not all hours, not all players, not all gates/walls need to be monitored all the time. Would Anet waste their time in implementing such system? No.

LilBiM.3581:

whether this is business as usual or will this too be fixed in the up-coming major WvW patch?

You must be new.

Email GW2’s abuse address.

Wait.

Then wait some more.

Heibi.4251:

One thing that might curb these individuals would be to disallow Free-to-Play players from entering WvW. The hackers in question are rumored to be creating new accounts using the FtP system. So as soon as they get banned they just make a new account that costs them nothing.

I said this from the getgo. Give them access to EoTM if new players want to experiment with mass-scale PvP. A massive increase in spies/hackers/scumbags in general can be traced almost perfectly to when the game went F2P.

It is the same guys from HoD.

These kind of hacks have been around for… a few years now. It usually goes like this: someone sees a hacker and creates thread on the forums, mods delete it, and with enough luck anet gives the cheaters a ban (usually after 1 or more reports at exploits@arena.net with some video’s or images). But anet doesn’t seem to be interested in actually fixing the problem… (it’s not pve and it’s not “esports” so they don’t seem to care)

Looks like they got em.
warning…ma cause brain damage.

http://www.gw2wvw.net/comment/271228#comment-271228

Anet definitely got some of their accounts. IDK if they actually do have others that are ready to WvW on, but good job to ANet for getting this done relatively quick. It’s taken a few years but you guys actually responded with decent timing, so mad props for that.

Arius.7031:

Anet definitely got some of their accounts. IDK if they actually do have others that are ready to WvW on, but good job to ANet for getting this done relatively quick. It’s taken a few years but you guys actually responded with decent timing, so mad props for that.

Yup, good stuff. TY whoever took the time to find and ban them.

Wow, that was fast. GJ ANet :o