Guild Wars 2

Southern bloodlust claim spot my 4 vs 6 from a T1 server. They were all from the same guild, and 2 of my guys are pretty new to the game but they are 80s with full exotics and a few ascended trinkets. We fought it out for about 4 minutes the 10 of us. Twice during the fight we downed one of their guys but both were stealth rezzed by thieves. All of this is fine. This was a good team we faced they buff reset for cleanses etc. etc. These are the type of fights we look for in WvW even in a blowout match up like we are currently in.
After the death i was dead on the point while they capped the point. I wanted to click on each one to see the class comp. for when we attempted our sweet revenge on these guys.This is what I found.
ALL of them had guard leach, applied fortitude, 25 stacks on their sigils, and since it was a blow out all 3 blood lust buffs. So somewhere in the neighborhood of 400 extra vitality, 350 extra power, and +50 on every other stat, not even mentioning ascended weapons and trinkets that take months to grind if you only WvW like my crew.
Normally this is exactly the fight my guild wants, slightly outmanned fighting another group that’s pretty good in their own right. We enjoy a challenge, being outmanned, and trying new techniques for victory. We’re not afraid to die and don’t complain ever about matchups. But the fact of the matter is it’s too unfair of a fight stats wise for us to match up with veteran players with, ascended gear, fortitude/leaching players. Most of them are garbage zerlings, but when you have ALL those buffs and you half know how to play it makes almost all the fights not fun.
If i was new to this game I’d never WvW or be a zergling because of how far behind you are out of the gate level 80 full exotic. We’re trying to build a guild with new players to the game and before this last patch that was possible, but now when your sever is getting stomped by a T1/T2 US server with no bloodlust on your side it’s pretty hard to train a group up. What do you tell your team when you pretty much play perfect and they do all you ask but they lose because they bought the game at the wrong time?

Good points. My guess is Anet thought the bloodlust buff would encourage roamer battles, introduce a fun spvp esque aspect of the game, and also reduce karma trains. They probably think it will still work once leagues are introduced. Unfortunately it’s becoming overwhelmingly clear that the bloodlust buff is quickly monopolized by the most powerful server and is creating massive, frusterating imbalance in WvW. Bloodlust makes the strong stronger and the weak weaker. It also reduces the importance of tactics and skill. All companies hate to admit mistakes though, so my guess is we won’t see any change in the bloodlust buff until after the leagues are introduced. I personally don’t mind the ascended gear because it’s something individual players can achieve. Although I do agree I’m seeing odd imbalance in WvW. It’s now possable for a player with all ascended weapons & trinkets & 3 blood lust buffs to solo a group of 5 players in exotics. Which kinda feels wrong.

Super Kruegs.8967:

If i was new to this game I’d never WvW or be a zergling because of how far behind you are out of the gate level 80 full exotic. We’re trying to build a guild with new players to the game and before this last patch that was possible, but now when your sever is getting stomped by a T1/T2 US server with no bloodlust on your side it’s pretty hard to train a group up.

This is a huge problem. With no new players, WvW is doomed. Similarly, with no ability to change builds (without severely gimping your stats) burnout comes much easier.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Super Kruegs.8967:

If i was new to this game I’d never WvW or be a zergling because of how far behind you are out of the gate level 80 full exotic. We’re trying to build a guild with new players to the game and before this last patch that was possible, but now when your sever is getting stomped by a T1/T2 US server with no bloodlust on your side it’s pretty hard to train a group up.

This is a huge problem. With no new players, WvW is doomed. Similarly, with no ability to change builds (without severely gimping your stats) burnout comes much easier.

The only argument i can even remotely come up with being the devils advocate here is wvw is considered by some players as endgame? I mean for me personally after playing some wvw on my first character I specifically rolled an alt, leveled him through crafting to 80 and then went into wvw. He has only touched the minimal pve stuff for some farming but for the most part he is my wvw character. I would never have brought him in below level 80

UrMom.4205:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Super Kruegs.8967:

If i was new to this game I’d never WvW or be a zergling because of how far behind you are out of the gate level 80 full exotic. We’re trying to build a guild with new players to the game and before this last patch that was possible, but now when your sever is getting stomped by a T1/T2 US server with no bloodlust on your side it’s pretty hard to train a group up.

This is a huge problem. With no new players, WvW is doomed. Similarly, with no ability to change builds (without severely gimping your stats) burnout comes much easier.

The only argument i can even remotely come up with being the devils advocate here is wvw is considered by some players as endgame? I mean for me personally after playing some wvw on my first character I specifically rolled an alt, leveled him through crafting to 80 and then went into wvw. He has only touched the minimal pve stuff for some farming but for the most part he is my wvw character. I would never have brought him in below level 80

With exotics, no problem because they were relatively easy to get. I’d be concerned about the effect the (really hard to get) Ascended gear will have on new players and WvW.

As for uplevels… I used bring mine in to WvW, but just for fun and leveling, knowing that they could possibly be killed in an instant. (I don’t play alts much anymore because of Guard Leech and Applied Fortitude).

why would there be no new players? Most of the players I have heard say why they have not tried WvW is that they either/or have not gained confidence in their skills in the one year GW2 has been alive, or they need to upgrade their hardware this Christmas.

All this “waaahh! WvW is doomed, I am done with it!” may not be such a bad thing. People who don’t want to play anymore are talking about not playing anymore. OK, next. I definitely will not mind not playing with people who don’t want to play any more.

Being that I have been fighting FA this week (sor player here), I calm shenanigans, last night I never had more then one stack of BL and most of the time we had none, even with this fight being a blow out I still.see the orb buff changing hand freely and often.

It will really depend on how it hurts anet’s pocket. Like Blizzard is removing the auction house because they know it’s ruining Diablo, BUT and this is a big BUT they are only removing it because they are releasing expansion packs and will charge some 30~40 bucks for it. So they want to make sure people buy the expansion and continue buying the expansions.

If the frustration makes people not want to play to the point where it hurts their wallet, they’ll figure out a way to fix it, but until then they’ll continue what they are doing. Since I’m sure most new players don’t play WvW and spend a lot of money somewhere in their lvl 60’s. If that’s the case they want to make more things that make you have to spend more time and money to be competitive in the top tier. It’s one of the down sides of not having a monthly fee.

Honestly, I don’t notice any of those buff deals except the one where we are massively outnumbered, so I don’t have to pay for equip repairs every time we get wiped! The rest of it is cancelled by a couple of dodges, more or less, or camera swing, where the heck is that cmd, oh no. Buffs hardly matter

Well, I also like the + WXP.

This game is one year old. I will not say how long I have been in the software industry. I will say, don’t worry about Guild Wars 2 failing because some players feel twitched out already.

Just to remake the point a little here as it’s gone off the rails a little. WvW will need more players and with all the time gated buffs it’s making it at best not-fun to be a new player or in my case try and start up a new guild with new players to the game. I’m on a well established server and i can only speculate what it’s like on lower servers getting stomped even harder with a way smaller player base to recruit from. When the the league starts these stacked servers will reap what they sowed, because they wanted fights so they moved up. Now there will be no fights for most weeks, and the players like myself who are the ones you’d like to fight (a challenge) are not going to fight you with all those built in advantages you have because you purchased in October 2012 not October 2013. Not trying to be a cry baby or say I’m not going to play simply stating the FACTS and how T1/T2 mentality and ANET design failures have removed almost all sense of competition and level playing field. And before all the dnozzles come up in here and tell me “W3 isn’t supposed to be fair” let me just say that I understand that, but it should at least strive to find ONE competitive aspect of the game or new players and small servers have zero fun. My guildies want to compete,but cause they’re relative noobs high end competition is getting to the point where if you’re on the wrong server and haven’t been playing for 8 months you’re not welcome to be on that level, and the way things are going may never be able to catch up.

Samhayn.2385:

Being that I have been fighting FA this week (sor player here), I calm shenanigans, last night I never had more then one stack of BL and most of the time we had none, even with this fight being a blow out I still.see the orb buff changing hand freely and often.

Yay well idk when you play and you don’t know when i play so we’ll have to agree to disagree. Either way it’s half about that and half about you guys get karma trains that lead to guard leach, applied fortitude, and because you’re rolling us with massive numbers probably have 25 stacks on your sigil. FA was ticking +15 when this went down, so you want a fight or not? If you want a fight and to say you are truly better this is bad for the game and your servers stacking mentality is part of the problem. I’m sure when all the T1s get together you all make love on the bloodlust spots but for the other 24 servers it’s pretty kitten lame in the current/future match up system.