Guild Wars 2

The point to playng GW2 again, after I dunno maybe 2+ years, was massive PVP battles. Survey says: play GW2.

So, now I have hit 18 and got a memo clicky thing telling me I am all grown up now and can do WvW, OK that’s kewl. Of course this leads to questions.

1) If I click on the WvW icon, solo queue basically, what kind of ride am I in for? (Human on Blackgate)
2) I dunno crap about any of the battles, how is that going to play out with the team and my uh … virgin experience?
3) Will WvW give me experiance that helps me level, so that I could just WvW from now on?
4) If I just WvW from now on do I get access to PVP gear, good PVP gear and the currency I need in game for the stuff I will need to make gear, buy gear, progress?
5) What did I forget to ask that I will want to know?

1) It’s whatever you make of it. BG is full so I would guess you’re in for the big blobs most of the time.

2) All servers gets new players, a bit of inexperiene is nothing that will destroy the server. If you find a closed off guuild run you should probbaly ask if you can join before following though since they might prefer to go alone.

3) Yes.

4) Yes but you gain more gold in PvE than WvW.

1) You will get on one of the 3 borderlands or Eternal Battleground with the rest of your server allies.
2) just play and learn, ask stuff if you want to know anything, it all comes in time.
3) yes you will get exp for capping stuff/killing players but be aware, as upscaled you are very fragile and most of the times the first one being targeted.
4) yes you can get wvw gears from the badges you will earn but also be aware of 1 thing, the runes/sigils you put into these cant be salvaged ( for some unknown reason )

Ty, well then .. BANZAI!

1) You are on BG, you will be fine… try to help the larger force following a commander and be careful. At 18, you are very easy to kill as the scaling for your stats is kinda wonky. Just forewarning ya, you go gung ho leroy style … you will dirt nap often until you get a feel for the battle.
2) We all started somewhere.
3) Yes, plus you will get WXP which helps unlock siege skills for wvw use only
4) The currency in WvW is primarily badges. Plus gold and karma, but you will need badges to buy pvp gear. You get alot while you level up.

5) What did I forget to ask that I will want to know?

WvW runs on supply. Do your best to always have supply, and use your supply as much as possible (build siege, repair walls gates, etc) Siege is very critical.

If following a commander, let them drop siege. They will generally drop superior siege versus normal siege.

A faster way to level is in EOTM, but you can do both.

There is a dolyak in your home map that you can talk to to get a one time buff for gaining more wxp.

You WvW populus generally use a server voice comms and community website… talk to others to get the details. I’m from TC, so I don’t know your info but you can get it from any commander.

It helps to always join in a party if you can. Some people may give you a hard time for brinnging a uplevelled, but most will understand if you explain you are new to wvw.

…. that’s all I can think of from the top of my head.

~X

Thanks everybody for the info.

Whoa …. went in yesterday as a fresh 18 Ranger. Ran here and there chasing dots on the maps, seems I wasn’t able to travel as fast as others. Eventually I did catch up with some groups and tag along. Not sure my damage had any significance. Then at times I missed the queue we were leaving and would be left straggling a few steps behind the group. Invariably 2 – 5 reds would pop out of nowhere like they had been stealth or something and open with a stun/knockdown that allowed them to kill me inside the stun. When I did get a chance to open on them i was doing like 45 dammage and they were 2 – 3 shotting me it seemed.

Played for a few hours, got a bunch of boxes and 250 honor. The play seemed mostly zerg vs zerg where both teams tried flanking the other; but all attacks were from range. Traps and bad all over the ground it seemed the strategy was to lure the other team into a trap then over-run the slow movers.

We agree that it is likely a better idea to just level up first. Better for the team and the experience factor will likely be much better at level. Character progression was from 18 to 19 after maybe a couple hours, not sure how long I was in there i didn’t time it; but it seems was slower than if I had been questing. Died about 5 times. Solo capped 4 flags and assisted the group cap another 4 or 5 points. Eventually I just didn’t feel effective and the experience was a bit rough, kinda exhausted too, so I jumped into a portal and left the BG.

I shall go ahead and level before doing that again. However I might get on my 80 necro and try it before I get my Ranger to level. It does seem like getting in a guild and opening web voice chat is expected, so just popping in solo and with no communications isn’t going to make for good game play.

PyroRobby.1987:

Thanks everybody for the info.

Whoa …. went in yesterday as a fresh 18 Ranger. Ran here and there chasing dots on the maps, seems I wasn’t able to travel as fast as others. Eventually I did catch up with some groups and tag along. Not sure my damage had any significance. Then at times I missed the queue we were leaving and would be left straggling a few steps behind the group. Invariably 2 – 5 reds would pop out of nowhere like they had been stealth or something and open with a stun/knockdown that allowed them to kill me inside the stun. When I did get a chance to open on them i was doing like 45 dammage and they were 2 – 3 shotting me it seemed.

Played for a few hours, got a bunch of boxes and 250 honor. The play seemed mostly zerg vs zerg where both teams tried flanking the other; but all attacks were from range. Traps and bad all over the ground it seemed the strategy was to lure the other team into a trap then over-run the slow movers.

We agree that it is likely a better idea to just level up first. Better for the team and the experience factor will likely be much better at level. Character progression was from 18 to 19 after maybe a couple hours, not sure how long I was in there i didn’t time it; but it seems was slower than if I had been questing. Died about 5 times. Solo capped 4 flags and assisted the group cap another 4 or 5 points. Eventually I just didn’t feel effective and the experience was a bit rough, kinda exhausted too, so I jumped into a portal and left the BG.

I shall go ahead and level before doing that again. However I might get on my 80 necro and try it before I get my Ranger to level. It does seem like getting in a guild and opening web voice chat is expected, so just popping in solo and with no communications isn’t going to make for good game play.

If you have an 80 necro, you should definitely try that. The scaling just doesn’t work right.

Also, currently the Necro is part of the wvw meta (Guardian, Warrior, Elementalist, and Necro). Here is a build you can try. http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Necromancer_-_Wells_Backline

The build really focuses on NOT being in the middle of things and staying out of the line of fire.

Being on voice chat is important because the commander will tell you what he wants you to do. This is more important if you are running with a guild group as they tend to me more highly organized.

@TooBz.3065

Thank you for the necro build information. I shall review that and try it out. The only reason I was making a ranger was because I didn’t remember anything about this game as it has been so long since I played. Mostly I just want to PVP now. Yesterdays WvW run tells me not now on my lvl 18 Range; but may now on my 80 Necro.

Again Thank you, I check out the build on my Necro.

I just wanted to add you will have a better time in WvW if you find a guild that does that and use voice comms.

Always bear in mind that following ANY plan is better than some perfect plan in your head that is purely theoretical.

It’s especially important if you want to be a well power necromancer (I play that!) that you be in comms. As a necromancer you don’t call much but you need to hear calls very badly. Our job is to strike on demand and simultaneously with other necromancer players whenever possible. It’s how we melt people down so fast.

It’s also important to realize if you are playing GWEN, you have to learn to monitor what the other three are doing in comms. You will learn dirty tricks like throwing up fear walls to save the other backline from pick squads just as a quick example. The reason that combination works is you all cover each other’s butts.

There is an art to it and there is much nuance, you are best off imho finding a commander whose rhythm and style you can follow. You’ll find you play better and get more done and it’s less frustrating. Eventually you will begin to see and understand why battles go as they do, it won’t just be this randomness it will have an ebb and flow to it.

If I am inclined to roam on the necromancer I use a totally different build but that’s another discussion.

PyroRobby.1987:

…I have hit 18 and got a memo clicky thing telling me I am all grown up now and can do WvW…

I’m sorry but you’ve been lied to. Yes, you can get in and do wvw however chances are you won’t have much fun as an uplevel for a few reasons.

1) You’re going to be extremely easy to kill. In most cases 1 or 2 hits from pretty much anyone. Scaling is terrible.

2) Other players are going to get very unpleasant towards you when you die because of the rally mechanic.

3) You will be targeted by the enemy when they see you’re an uplevel. Because of the rally mechanic.

If you want to get a small taste of what wvw can be I recommend going into Edge of the Mists map where almost everyone is an uplevel and you won’t get raged at. Not only will you get a small taste of wvw but it will level you much faster.

Kanebrake.6192:

PyroRobby.1987:

…I have hit 18 and got a memo clicky thing telling me I am all grown up now and can do WvW…

I’m sorry but you’ve been lied to. Yes, you can get in and do wvw however chances are you won’t have much fun as an uplevel for a few reasons.

1) You’re going to be extremely easy to kill. In most cases 1 or 2 hits from pretty much anyone. Scaling is terrible.

2) Other players are going to get very unpleasant towards you when you die because of the rally mechanic.

3) You will be targeted by the enemy when they see you’re an uplevel. Because of the rally mechanic.

If you want to get a small taste of what wvw can be I recommend going into Edge of the Mists map where almost everyone is an uplevel and you won’t get raged at. Not only will you get a small taste of wvw but it will level you much faster.

Scaling is fine. I can take more hits on my upleveled (level 26) blue-geared ranger than I can in my fully exotic thief. The main thing that will differ from being 80 is how much damage you do. It will feel like you’re tickling the enemy, so you will definitely not be able to solo another player. But when you’re with another group of people, hey, 100 extra damage against the target is better than 0 extra damage!

My suggestion: With what little traits and utility skills you have, trait/skill defensively.

Turk.5460:

Kanebrake.6192:

PyroRobby.1987:

…I have hit 18 and got a memo clicky thing telling me I am all grown up now and can do WvW…

I’m sorry but you’ve been lied to. Yes, you can get in and do wvw however chances are you won’t have much fun as an uplevel for a few reasons.

1) You’re going to be extremely easy to kill. In most cases 1 or 2 hits from pretty much anyone. Scaling is terrible.

2) Other players are going to get very unpleasant towards you when you die because of the rally mechanic.

3) You will be targeted by the enemy when they see you’re an uplevel. Because of the rally mechanic.

If you want to get a small taste of what wvw can be I recommend going into Edge of the Mists map where almost everyone is an uplevel and you won’t get raged at. Not only will you get a small taste of wvw but it will level you much faster.

Scaling is fine. I can take more hits on my upleveled (level 26) blue-geared ranger than I can in my fully exotic thief. The main thing that will differ from being 80 is how much damage you do. It will feel like you’re tickling the enemy, so you will definitely not be able to solo another player. But when you’re with another group of people, hey, 100 extra damage against the target is better than 0 extra damage!

My suggestion: With what little traits and utility skills you have, trait/skill defensively.

If you want to compare apples to apples then compare a level 26 blue geared ranger to a level 80 exotic geared ranger. Or a level 26 thief (basic gear) to a level 80 thief (exotic gear). There’s a world of difference both in terms of how much damage you do and how much damage you can take.

No scaling is not “fine”.

Scaling is fine, stop being bitter that people other than level 80’s want to participate. He will have fun in a zerg and that’s all that matters.

OP: I have loads of fun playing uplevel’d characters in WvW, and you will too! Give it a go! Good luck out there.

Got on my Necro with the build out suggested. Had the gear in my bag too. Practiced a little on some NPCs and it was rocking nicely. So yesterday evening after work and a short nap I decided to try the WvW on my 80 Necro. I guess I just don’t know what I am doing and am way behind the curve.

We seem to be out numbered for one and not very organized. The groups seem clickish; but that could just be a perception of a lousy new player that isn’t really contributing any help. I spawned in instantly, implying to me the battle was not full for our side. Then looked for dots on the map to go group up with them. Trying to catch up to a group isn’t easy. Then when you get there they may very well port to another location and I find myself chasing after the group a lot.

When I did finally get to encounter 1v1, they opened with a stun/knockdown and 1 shotted me. I am not in pvp gear I am in yellow crafted gear and got 1 shotted. Was still feeling tired it had been a hard day of work so I logged and just watched Netflix. Apparently for me to do WvW, more is involved than just showing up and casting spells on the enemy.

It does look like the others are playing well though and having fun. Also seemed like half my server was standing around in one of the two bases and only small groups were running around. Often avoiding the red players. Perhaps it was a time of day we were just way outnumbered and out geared? Being level 80 in crafted yellows and getting 1 shotted inside a stun seems like a gear disparity problem. I dunno seems I am behind the curve here and not catching on very fast. Guessing the biggest issue is it has just been so long since I played GW2 that I just don’t know what I am doing anymore. I am not getting the feeling in the WvW that strangers are always welcome either.

Oh well just guess I need to spend more time and learn more, then try again another day.

PyroRobby.1987:

Got on my Necro with the build out suggested. Had the gear in my bag too. Practiced a little on some NPCs and it was rocking nicely. So yesterday evening after work and a short nap I decided to try the WvW on my 80 Necro. I guess I just don’t know what I am doing and am way behind the curve.

We seem to be out numbered for one and not very organized. The groups seem clickish; but that could just be a perception of a lousy new player that isn’t really contributing any help. I spawned in instantly, implying to me the battle was not full for our side. Then looked for dots on the map to go group up with them. Trying to catch up to a group isn’t easy. Then when you get there they may very well port to another location and I find myself chasing after the group a lot.

When I did finally get to encounter 1v1, they opened with a stun/knockdown and 1 shotted me. I am not in pvp gear I am in yellow crafted gear and got 1 shotted. Was still feeling tired it had been a hard day of work so I logged and just watched Netflix. Apparently for me to do WvW, more is involved than just showing up and casting spells on the enemy.

It does look like the others are playing well though and having fun. Also seemed like half my server was standing around in one of the two bases and only small groups were running around. Often avoiding the red players. Perhaps it was a time of day we were just way outnumbered and out geared? Being level 80 in crafted yellows and getting 1 shotted inside a stun seems like a gear disparity problem. I dunno seems I am behind the curve here and not catching on very fast. Guessing the biggest issue is it has just been so long since I played GW2 that I just don’t know what I am doing anymore. I am not getting the feeling in the WvW that strangers are always welcome either.

Oh well just guess I need to spend more time and learn more, then try again another day.

Well, the build I posts is designed to be in the backline of a zerg. It’s very glassy, but should hit like a truck. When you logged in, do you see a commander on the map? That would be the diamond (either red, blue, green, or purple) moving around.

If not, then check another map. If so, try to get there. That’s where the people are.

GW2 produced a quick tutorial about WVW. I don’t play a necro, so I don’t have many tips, but you may want to check out the Necro forums.

What server on you on?

Okay. While I have killed people 1 v 1 with the power wells build, it usually doesn’t win in those situations because it’s not designed for that. The “metabuild” for necromancers is an AoE damage specialist. You need lots of friends and yes they need to be organized.

The very basic way that build works is the Guardians keep up the front melee. The Warriors are there to immobilize stun and cleanse conditions off the melee, the Guardians heal and provide stability. Your Elementalists drop water fields on them which they blast to heal up fast in crazy fights.

The Elementalists also cast statics and other crowd control effects in front of the melee ball. Ideally you drop wells on the enemy while they’re controlled. Your wells will deal a massive damage spike that will kill the enemy who is doing the same thing. It’s a matter of who strikes most effectively.

There’s a lot more to it but there’s a lot of cooperation and planning that goes into it. The point is that if you don’t play the meta build under those conditions it’s kind of rough and you might not have a good time.

Turk.5460:

Scaling is fine, stop being bitter that people other than level 80’s want to participate. He will have fun in a zerg and that’s all that matters.

OP: I have loads of fun playing uplevel’d characters in WvW, and you will too! Give it a go! Good luck out there.

Ok… we’ll try this again. Maybe you missed everything before my statement of “No scaling is not fine.” (and it’s not, btw)

If you want to compare apples to apples then compare a level 26 blue geared ranger to a level 80 exotic geared ranger. Or a level 26 thief (basic gear) to a level 80 thief (exotic gear). There’s a world of difference both in terms of how much damage you do and how much damage you can take.

I see, ya. going to be tough going as a solo-queue.

Blackgate is my home server.

WvW seems like it can be fun; but it seems it really isn’t setup for walk-ins that solo-queued. Maybe in time I will get better and it not be so rough. Perhaps back to leveling my ranger and maybe I will WvW later on or move on.

PyroRobby.1987:

When I did finally get to encounter 1v1, they opened with a stun/knockdown and 1 shotted me. I am not in pvp gear I am in yellow crafted gear and got 1 shotted. Was still feeling tired it had been a hard day of work so I logged and just watched Netflix. Apparently for me to do WvW, more is involved than just showing up and casting spells on the enemy.

This is exactly what I was trying to tell you about being an uplevel in wvw. For someone who hasn’t played a fair amount of it and gotten a feel for it the whole thing can be an unpleasant experience.

PyroRobby.1987:

I see, ya. going to be tough going as a solo-queue.

Blackgate is my home server.

WvW seems like it can be fun; but it seems it really isn’t setup for walk-ins that solo-queued. Maybe in time I will get better and it not be so rough. Perhaps back to leveling my ranger and maybe I will WvW later on or move on.

Honest to goodness the best thing you can do is find a WvW raid guild that does it all the time or specialize in roaming. People still sometimes fuss WvW takes no skill it’s all zergs etc. and while there is some truth to those complaints, the fact is there is a learning curve there.

Learn not to die without understanding exactly why you died. Sometimes it is simply just “We were outnumbered”. But more often there’s a technical reason you had some limited control over: I didn’t time my elite correctly, I was in the wrong position, my traits aren’t good for the situation, etc. That’s the first lesson and the hardest.

LunacyPolish.4602:

PyroRobby.1987:

I see, ya. going to be tough going as a solo-queue.

Blackgate is my home server.

WvW seems like it can be fun; but it seems it really isn’t setup for walk-ins that solo-queued. Maybe in time I will get better and it not be so rough. Perhaps back to leveling my ranger and maybe I will WvW later on or move on.

Honest to goodness the best thing you can do is find a WvW raid guild that does it all the time or specialize in roaming. People still sometimes fuss WvW takes no skill it’s all zergs etc. and while there is some truth to those complaints, the fact is there is a learning curve there.

Learn not to die without understanding exactly why you died. Sometimes it is simply just “We were outnumbered”. But more often there’s a technical reason you had some limited control over: I didn’t time my elite correctly, I was in the wrong position, my traits aren’t good for the situation, etc. That’s the first lesson and the hardest.

True, I can see that.

When I was looking for the best MMOPVP and GW2 surfaced, MOBAs and other strategy games also surfaced. Now I see why. WvW involves a lot of coordinated effort from what I can tell. Honestly I was just looking for big brawls, where I can casually queue and start crossing paths and dot’n eyes. WvW seems like the fights don’t go down in the fashion of a cluster of a bunch of 1v1, 2v1, 3v1 and players pushing into a group and brawling with healers healing and tanks tanking and everybody “kungfu fighting” sorta thing.

The zerg fighting is also fun; but in this game from what I can tell it requires being in a group and doing the dance on queue like doing PVE dungeons. That is different from what I remember GW2 being like, as it always seemed to support solo play very well for the questing and world events. Having played a whole two days WvW at level 18 the 1st day and my 80 the 2nd, lol what do I know about it really. Well … that right now I really am just looking for casual brawls that I can expect somewhat fair odd of winning or losing as a solo queue. Perhaps I expect too much. Likely will just goof off and quest, maybe PVP in another game where being a filty casual is more common.

You sound exactly like a roamer/dueler … generally in wvw people who enjoy doing this meet in common areas of the map … like in the home borderland bl’s they tend to meet around the southern island sentry piont just north of the south camp. In EBG you can find them in the big open area besides smc (this is t1 bg/jq/tc) …

If you are looking to get into it … you can pm some of the guys in (hats) guild who primarily do this for adjusting and tweaking your build.

This kinda experience does exist, you just have to stumble upon it and join the groups who do it regularly.

Oh i also forgot … formal dueling is also in the obsidian sanctum, in the arena if you remember how to get there.

@Hexin

Ty, for the information. This is a great game and my wish is for it to see an influx of PVPers that are getting burned out in other games. Perfection is nowhere, I do not expect perfection. I am enjoying my return. PVP will be found, I’m kinda a badie right now so I have time to ramp up and then seek out the brawlers.

To all that have offered feedback, it is appreciated.
It is good to come to a forum where reasonable adults exchange thoughts … and trolls are not see or heard.

Kanebrake.6192:

Turk.5460:

Scaling is fine, stop being bitter that people other than level 80’s want to participate. He will have fun in a zerg and that’s all that matters.

OP: I have loads of fun playing uplevel’d characters in WvW, and you will too! Give it a go! Good luck out there.

Ok… we’ll try this again. Maybe you missed everything before my statement of “No scaling is not fine.” (and it’s not, btw)

If you want to compare apples to apples then compare a level 26 blue geared ranger to a level 80 exotic geared ranger. Or a level 26 thief (basic gear) to a level 80 thief (exotic gear). There’s a world of difference both in terms of how much damage you do and how much damage you can take.

Scaling is fine.

If you’re going to be roaming by yourself or in small groups, the power wells build posted above probably isn’t a good choice. Maybe try something like this instead: http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Necromancer_-_Condition_Roamer

(I haven’t tried it, but it sounds more appropriate for the way you’re playing.)

Viomar.6954:

If you’re going to be roaming by yourself or in small groups, the power wells build posted above probably isn’t a good choice. Maybe try something like this instead: http://metabattle.com/wiki/Build:Necromancer_-_Condition_Roamer

(I haven’t tried it, but it sounds more appropriate for the way you’re playing.)

I have played it, or pretty close to it anyway I have tweaked the sigils/OH weapon at times and sometimes pick different utilities. In fact I ran it last night with a 3 man havoc team.

I do LIKE that build a lot because it’s pretty diverse and you can really do a lot of condition pressure and CC in a large variety of situations, both small scale and large scale.

Honestly it’s probably as good as necro gets on roaming. Necro roaming is always a tough situation because even with Traveler runes, or the WH/Spectral Armor combination your mobility is just not that that great. Yeah you can move fast but you don’t have the instant leaps/escapes you need, no blocks, reflects, or stealth, nothing that will get you out of trouble or let you quit the field against a hopeless fight or just a fight you shouldn’t engage. Three glass cannon pew pew rangers will melt you instantly with their #2 spam from well outside the range you can fight back from and there’s nothing you can do about it.

Couple of dodges, probably only one teleport (a limited one with a fixed anchor point at that), probably only one stun break, limited condi management (you have a couple transfers and your healing skill is a full purge so it’s much better than some other classes but it’s not like a Warrior), it’s a rough experience.

That said, I’ve had fun doing it, you just have to adjust your expectations and realize there are going to be fights you simply cannot win. This really works best imho when you’re in a small roaming group, this kind of build relies on people ignoring you until there’s suddenly 12 stacks of bleeds on them ticking for thousands of points, they are out of removals, and it’s too late to do anything about it.

Conversely there’s going to be some fights you just wipe the floor with people. A lot of thieves will get their butts handed to them. They jump you expecting to burst down a squishy, defenseless necro, but you have too many HP to just die right away like they depend on. They can stealth all they want but your condis keep ticking away at their tiny hp pool. If they try to CC you they get feared, etc.

Turk.5460:

Kanebrake.6192:

Turk.5460:

Scaling is fine, stop being bitter that people other than level 80’s want to participate. He will have fun in a zerg and that’s all that matters.

OP: I have loads of fun playing uplevel’d characters in WvW, and you will too! Give it a go! Good luck out there.

Ok… we’ll try this again. Maybe you missed everything before my statement of “No scaling is not fine.” (and it’s not, btw)

If you want to compare apples to apples then compare a level 26 blue geared ranger to a level 80 exotic geared ranger. Or a level 26 thief (basic gear) to a level 80 thief (exotic gear). There’s a world of difference both in terms of how much damage you do and how much damage you can take.

Scaling is fine.

Just because you say it is so doesn’t make it true.

Kanebrake.6192:

Turk.5460:

Kanebrake.6192:

Turk.5460:

Scaling is fine, stop being bitter that people other than level 80’s want to participate. He will have fun in a zerg and that’s all that matters.

OP: I have loads of fun playing uplevel’d characters in WvW, and you will too! Give it a go! Good luck out there.

Ok… we’ll try this again. Maybe you missed everything before my statement of “No scaling is not fine.” (and it’s not, btw)

If you want to compare apples to apples then compare a level 26 blue geared ranger to a level 80 exotic geared ranger. Or a level 26 thief (basic gear) to a level 80 thief (exotic gear). There’s a world of difference both in terms of how much damage you do and how much damage you can take.

Scaling is fine.

Just because you say it is so doesn’t make it true.

I’ve yet to hear your rebuttal on why you disagree.
Scaling is fine because:

• It gives a player a taste of how WvW works
• It does not instantly reward newly created characters by empowering to the same extent as characters that worked to get to level 80
• It can absolutely be viable as with equal rarity gear equipped, you will be almost on par with level 80’s with the same quality gear, the only setback is the amount of trait points available to you. (level 20 rare (yellow) armor/weapons will scale to have the same stats as level 80 rare armor/weapons)

Uplevels only die quicker and do less damage when they enter WvW because they generally have blue/green armor and weapons and probably missing some accessories. And this is just fine, just as if a level 80 wandered into WvW with blue and green gear, they would die just as fast as an uplevel

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