Guild Wars 2

Hello, I wanted to stress out that worlds after linking with other worlds are now full. Since i can only suspect i think it happens because of Anet counting activity in wvwvw for both worlds and assigning it for hosting world. So Right now Gandara & Ruins of Surmia make for Gandara – FULL (transfer not possible), Ruins of Surmia – MEDIUM.

Right now the guilds are crippled because they cannot get new ppl to server who is still growing. For example Drakkar Lake is full (17th place), after the worlds will get swaped , Drakkar Lake will be crippled because ppl wont be able to transfer there for 4 months, and will slowly leave the place, while supporting server will simply leech on host. (low transfer costs for same quality fights).

I’m hoping that devs will adress it soon as it clearly is something that needs to be dealt with asap.

It looks lo me like they want to direct transfers to the lower tier servers. But since no one knows how permanent the linking is (it’s beta) I doubt any significant amount will move from the upper tiers to the lower tiers. Swapping among lower tiers could happen though it will not fix any population balancing issues.

If you want your guild to grow, you will need to move it to a lower tier.

This is something I’ve been off and on talking about with Tyler. I hope he doesn’t mind me sharing but he basically said that full servers are going to remain full until the linking changes or guilds transfer. The sad thing is, that if you want to grow your guild and move to a lower tier, you’re going to need to move to one that is linked with a pretty popular server (which you have to keep in mind that the link can change). There are a few problems with that. 1. You never know who you might get linked with and for how long which could cause you to spend hundreds of gold just trying to stay paired with an organized server/guilds. 2. You get stuck with a server who has no organization and all the others are full. Right now, even old T4 servers are marked full for NA. This leaves you with a handful of servers that aren’t and there is a reason for that, they don’t have WvW presence. That means if you want to try and grow you’re guild, good luck finding a WvW player that would not only stay and play with you but also spend gold if you transfer again.

Right its perfect people will have less power with their transfers now to manipulate the system. Because at the next link up, Anet can adjust to server stacking. Thusly you could spend all that money and get messed up by it!

So like eventually we will have more equally matched servers again….

People will win due to organization and tactics, not numbers and off hour k-training.

Unless someone gets clever and overstacks a lower tier server. But that will never happen … right?

Lets pick one to stack today. How about we start at the bottom.

EVERYONE GO TO ANVIL ROCK!!!!

Yeah but there is a big flaw that i stated in first post. Server that is the host right now cant gain population naturally so stagnation will kill it off. Hosting world kept ppl on thanks to organisation, obviously some players left but worlds keept on being refilled. Right now the hosting server obviously is gaining, a parasite that is leeching of him. Giving numbers with questionable quality (low tiers were empty). In healthy state the activity should be splited or parasite with leech the host to the bones, and then be swaped again, leaving hosting server in agonal state.

To compare it to real life let’s imagine you have green fence, so the flaw is to just leave it there and dont repaint it. Then in matter of years the paint will peel off, and it will be basically devastated. To keep fence green you have to repaint it green again and again and simply tend to it. Right now hosting servers are fences left there to degradate.

That is common flaw in thinking, that to keep things the way they are you just do nothing, when that is exactly the opposite.

So it’s far from perfect because of the flaw, sit and think about it what will be left after 4 months without transfers losing ppl, that u used to get back constantly. To back this up, when world lost large portion of players the transfer cost went lower and it was up to repopulate. Right now that’s not the case obviously. So the transfer cost should be separated and players should decide if they want cheaper transfer for less populated server and same quality, or go for stable but costly option.

Right now it’s plain unfair for communities that builded their world and were happy where they are or were going up at their own pace. So dont help one while punishing the other. All parties should benefit from it making WIN/WIN right now it’s LOSE/WIN at best, and in my opinion it’s a LOSE/LOSE since it will create some drama between worlds, and they wont cooperate to lower the world state.

Oh wait. You are EU. Nevermind. I have no idea what happened to EU. And you probably don’t want to travel to Anvil Rock then either.

shrug.

OP:

Not sure if your conclusion that host servers are full because they got linked with smaller server is completely true. Have you not seen many people returning to WvW because of these changes? The host servers could be full because they atm have more players playing.

I have fought Ruins of Surmia and there is no way linking them to any server will make host full. They have about 10 active players left.

We really do not know what will happen next week, which matches we get or how long this good interest will remain. I understand you are upset but perhaps you could try to avoid insulting low population servers in every post? I really do not like to be called leech.

FogLeg.9354:

OP:
I really do not like to be called leech.

Name it whatever You like, I used term leech and host because I wanted to describe the situation as precisely as I could. I’m sorry if You or anyone feels insulted, that is clearly not the intention here.

It’s simply not possible (being suddenly full) since servers with better coverage that are not linked (host only) are very high at best. I’ve said 17th place world is full and that must be wrong.

Dev said they where adjusting the population numbers on all worlds that was linked together. The actual increase in activity should take a bit longer to register on the server status due to the new system (We don’t know exactly how fast/slow it is reacting, but I think about 3 weeks, judging from early HOT time).

It’s great to see more focus on WvW but IMO Anet needs to stop with the half-measures and flat out merge servers. What really makes a wvw server work is things like good comms setup, and a roster of commanders with good timezone/daily coverage that are used to working together. These “out of game” things are hard enough to maintain with fixed servers, it’s crazy when a big chunk of your forces change every few months.

Likewise, IMO it’s completely nonsensical trying to force guilds on the larger host servers to either transfer to the lower population servers or stagnate/not grow. Dedicated WvW players/guilds want to play with other proficient guilds/players – not be forced to transfer to a less competitive server and try to salvage together a decent wvw presence.

TLDR version: There’s too many WvW servers, stop trying to “force” guilds off well organized servers into less competitive ones with minimal WvW population. Instead do permanent merges so the server communities have time to grow/work together rather then going through a major upset every few months when pairings change.

What makes WVW enjoyable is strong organized server communities fighting one another, if I wanted to be thrown in with random people then I’d be spending my time on EOTM.

Blackarps.1974:

This is something I’ve been off and on talking about with Tyler. I hope he doesn’t mind me sharing but he basically said that full servers are going to remain full until the linking changes or guilds transfer. The sad thing is, that if you want to grow your guild and move to a lower tier, you’re going to need to move to one that is linked with a pretty popular server (which you have to keep in mind that the link can change).

This is ridiculous, what are guilds supposed to do? As Serith states above they consign guilds to stagnation. Typical anet short sighted thinking. If they changed WvW into a full server alliance system there would not be this issue, instead they remain hamstrung to the unworkable server system and refuse to make the fundamental changes needed.

It sounds like the linkage system is not going to develop much more than what it is currently. If pop declines then they’ll merge 3 or more servers together. They’re supposed to have been working on changes for the last 18 months at least. What the hell have they been doing if all they do is fritter away at the edges?

FogLeg.9354:

OP:

Not sure if your conclusion that host servers are full because they got linked with smaller server is completely true. Have you not seen many people returning to WvW because of these changes? The host servers could be full because they atm have more players playing.

All of the top half of the NA servers are now full when only the top 4 servers maybe only BG, TC and maybe DB should be full as per the population caps. It is abundantly clear that they have simply locked the larger server in the linkage without any regard for actual population.

TorquedSoul.8097:

Unless someone gets clever and overstacks a lower tier server. But that will never happen … right?

Lets pick one to stack today. How about we start at the bottom.

EVERYONE GO TO ANVIL ROCK!!!!

Guilds and players have already started moving to lower servers to get into a particular matchup it just hasn’t been a big guild or alliance yet.

Actually, I like the fact that the “bigger” server of a couple is full.
In terms of population balance this is the best and only method to create a complete population balance in the long run.

An Example:
Server X is already big and gets a small partner server y.
Server X+Y is really strong and al the bandwagoners want to go to that party to join the hype train (as happend to piken, sfr, fsp, kodash,… before).
If server X wasn’t full, they would join it, so they would not have to transfer in 3 months again.
As server X is full, they join server Y.
Because there are so many people in servers X and Y now, some leave server X because of queues.
After 3 months both servers get new partners according to their new population. Server X lost playes, server Y gained players.

In the long run this prohibits server stacking and causes population balance.

The problem is: Unlike in NA, in EU we have servers without partners. That is a problem, because they will never be part of that balancing system. If bandwagoners were clever and coordinated (fortunately they aren’t) they would stack on single servers to safe some money.

Unfortunately they cannot close three servers and put all others in pairs, because they won’t mix national and international servers.

We will see, if high coverage full single servers can compete with douplet servers in the future. It is possible that server douplets of both equal sized population can become the strongest setups in the ranking.

Sakulos.7963:

It’s simply not possible (being suddenly full) since servers with better coverage that are not linked (host only) are very high at best. I’ve said 17th place world is full and that must be wrong.

You picked the worst example. I can easily imagine Drakkar being full. They had some huge masses before. Miller’s doesn’t even make a quater of their population. That after playing against them for several moths being one position below them.

Their low position in ranking results definitely not from the lack of population.

Btw. I will never understand why a good guild shoult transfer to a server that is good or has other good guilds. I would always choose to be the enemy of good guilds and having an impact on the results of my server, but I think that is just me…

Oak da Vite.9054:

Actually, I like the fact that the “bigger” server of a couple is full.
In terms of population balance this is the best and only method to create a complete population balance in the long run.

No its not, the mode will just end up being the same situation as before. All they are doing is merging servers, the issues that brought the mode into this state are not being addressed.

its merely a glitch they didnt anticipate like when they went mega server and ever server but the full top 4 showed very high dont look for them to do anything about it until the beta period is over and if the keep the linking system dont look for it being fixed for awhile took them a year to fix it after mega server but at that time tranfer cost was at max so why hurry lol

Still no response on the matter?
@Oak
Yes you are Hero that constantly transfer to lower tier worlds. To be honest we transfered to our world when it was 13th now it’s 9th, what makes you think we should do that again, because now we are in healthy and working world? Hope you can open your eyes we dont want to repeat same thing over and over again, we worked for having world that offers good fights, and is not stacked with guilds.

Anet Devs can u express your thoughts on the matter?