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Can a dev explain how a reward we wait for 7 weeks be as bad as this? You can pretty much farm this in 1 day of normal WvW.

Yup, I don’t see the same response to wvw going forward… The reward for those who were really caring about such isn’t worth the time.

1 day?
those rewards don’t even take 1 hour to get man !
- they should make a japanese style dogeza video of the whole studio apologizing for the dropping the ball so hard !

WvW leagues is DEAD !
you don’t even get to keep the finisher you earned till league season 2 starts !
at least that would’ve sparked some reason to keep winning leagues !

Here’s my opinion:

Somewhere deep down, Anet developers know that if they make WvW rewards more appealing than other areas of the game, particularly areas that are instanced or can overflow, too many reward chasers will swarm WvW and fill maps that can only handle a set number of players. This will place many PvPers who like the game mode into queues (broken queues I should point out) essentially cutting out the reason the game mode exists in the first place.

Utter failure. They could have at least reward us with unique non tradeable skin.

Latinkuro.9420:

1 day?
those rewards don’t even take 1 hour to get man !
- they should make a japanese style dogeza video of the whole studio apologizing for the dropping the ball so hard !

WvW leagues is DEAD !

I was being generous with the 1 day … It’s pretty much 1 hour of champion farming

How can they give good reward everybody in server? Right way would be give good rewards every league top players. For example players who killed most enemies, capped most keeps and tower, escorted most dolyaks and so on. You can’t give good reward players who doesn’t even really play www. It’s not enough if you just are in winning server.

The chest is rng just like every other reward. So the five people who get an ascended piece will be happy.

At least it gave us something to anticipate for 7 weeks. Slightly less anticipation for season 2 though.

I’ve made constructive comments in other threads only to have them trashed.

Play WvW because you enjoy it, not for some carrot in the distance. I got a title and some extra goodies I wouldn’t have gotten otherwise,

Liquid.9672:

Here’s my opinion:

Somewhere deep down, Anet developers know that if they make WvW rewards more appealing than other areas of the game, particularly areas that are instanced or can overflow, too many reward chasers will swarm WvW and fill maps that can only handle a set number of players. This will place many PvPers who like the game mode into queues (broken queues I should point out) essentially cutting out the reason the game mode exists in the first place.

Well, they accomplished the very opposite, going forward who’s going to give a rip about doing anything in wvw with no permanent decent items for finishing near at the top or near the top. Why stay at a keep and scout for a complete failure of a heavy decent reward, may as well just tag along with the zerg. Pathetic.

I loved the idea of WvW leagues and even if they would’ve said the end reward is ONLY the finisher I’d still be in there killing invaders left and right, specially JQ and SoR invaders !

but this chest is a slap to the face and a kick in the pants in terms of time investment vs reward !

WvW is not a good medium for telling Scarlet’s Personal Story. Why did anyone think you would get reward for it? Haven’t you been paying any attention? Haha.

NargofWoV.4267:

Liquid.9672:

Here’s my opinion:

Somewhere deep down, Anet developers know that if they make WvW rewards more appealing than other areas of the game, particularly areas that are instanced or can overflow, too many reward chasers will swarm WvW and fill maps that can only handle a set number of players. This will place many PvPers who like the game mode into queues (broken queues I should point out) essentially cutting out the reason the game mode exists in the first place.

Well, they accomplished the very opposite, going forward who’s going to give a rip about doing anything in wvw with no permanent decent items for finishing near at the top or near the top. Why stay at a keep and scout for a complete failure of a heavy decent reward, may as well just tag along with the zerg. Pathetic.

Awesome. More people to kill as they run around like chickens with their head cut off.

Here’s what I don’t get. Are you people new? WvW has always had less the stellar rewards to investment in it. This should come as a surprise to no one who has actively been doing wvw for any amount of time. I’m more shocked that the chest actually has a decent amount of dragonite in it.

arKRazor.8654:

Play WvW because you enjoy it, not for some carrot in the distance. I got a title and some extra goodies I wouldn’t have gotten otherwise.

Waitwaitwaitwait…

You’re saying we should play something…for enjoyment? And not force ourselves through something we don’t enjoy simply for pixels and bits of data?

I think you’re playing the game wrong.

NargofWoV.4267:

Well, they accomplished the very opposite, going forward who’s going to give a rip about doing anything in wvw with no permanent decent items for finishing near at the top or near the top. Why stay at a keep and scout for a complete failure of a heavy decent reward, may as well just tag along with the zerg. Pathetic.

The same people that have been giving a rip for the past year.

You were honestly expecting good rewards? Since when does ANet properly reward hard work? XD I got my title; beyond that I figured I’d be lucky to get blue/greens because that’s what they have shown me I should expect for my efforts.

Is it fair? Eh, not really, but everyone took the carrot on the stick and ran with it just the same.

What would I have liked to see? Exclusive armor/weapon skins would have been nice, the Dolyak finisher being permanent, a keg of liquid WvW xp, fine transmutation stones (since they’re so rare), an exclusive inventory bag (like Karka event one), a non-ranged chest, to name a few. But I didn’t anticipate any of it happening.

I play WvW because I enjoy it. I did the Season 1 for the title.

As it stands, will I strive for Season 2 achievements? Probably not, if I get them through regular play then maybe I’ll get them, but I’m not going to bother really trying for it again. FYI; on a Tier 1 server. BG comes from behind and beats the favored, woot!

Honestly these rewards are 100% pathetic.

Lets have a Collaborative Development discussion about appropriate rewards for the amount of effort involved.

Did anyone in the entire company even put one second of thought into these rewards? If so please enlighten us to how you came to the conclusion that this was appropriate for a 7 week reward?

Liquid.9672:

Here’s my opinion:

Somewhere deep down, Anet developers know that if they make WvW rewards more appealing than other areas of the game, particularly areas that are instanced or can overflow, too many reward chasers will swarm WvW and fill maps that can only handle a set number of players. This will place many PvPers who like the game mode into queues (broken queues I should point out) essentially cutting out the reason the game mode exists in the first place.

they could have made it something only WvW people could use effectively

cosmetics that only work/animate in WvW
unlimited finishers
special wvw abilities

also, they are going way to the otherside.
even if they gave you 5 random exotics, that wouldnt be a lot for a 7 week achievement.

they also could have made something like a zaishen chest, and gave more openings to players per rank.

The problem is its kind of failing its job on all accounts, as an award.
doesnt last
doesnt have great monetary value
doesnt have lasting percieved value
isnt unique.

Exactly what specification of a good reward is this fullfilling? even though this is a 7 week battle, its actually based on standings for the last year, so its really an even greater hill that has to be climbed to get it. Its really not a great look.

I made this post 10 days ago:

Peetee.9406:

There’s no way the rewards will be that good.

You’ll get a finisher, a keg of wxp, and maybe 50 badges of honor.

And I have to admit, I was wrong.

You didn’t get a finisher, you got a limited time finisher.
You didn’t get a keg of experience, you got a taste of experience.
You didn’t get badges of honor, you got dragonite ore.

I knew the rewards would be bad, ANet’s rewards are always bad. I wasn’t expecting them to be this bad.

Aw yiss I’m a league winner! Feels great! But after 250 finishes I have nothing to remind me of this 7 weeks of hard work. I feel sick. Disgusting. I expect to see the unlimited finisher in the gem store in the near future.

Why do you want to get rewarded for coverage? Do you think someone on Vizunah made a better job for 7 weeks than someone on Augury?

I think I`m just too old to understand the crazy “I deserve being rewarded for what I do for fun!” attitude generation…

joonasp.9217:

Aw yiss I’m a league winner! Feels great! But after 250 finishes I have nothing to remind me of this 7 weeks of hard work. I feel sick. Disgusting. I expect to see the unlimited finisher in the gem store in the near future.

Well to be fair you did win bush league so last server in gold league deserve better reward.

hmmm were we guaranteed anything other than what we’d get on a “normal day” in WvW? Don’t think so. Better question is why do you think you are entitled to get more than a RNG chest that may at most contain an exotic, rare and or greens and blues?

Moon.6371:

Why do you want to get rewarded for coverage? Do you think someone on Vizunah made a better job for 7 weeks than someone on Augury?

I think I`m just too old to understand the crazy “I deserve being rewarded for what I do for fun!” attitude generation…

FYI: It’s called the, “entitled generation.”

Junkpile.7439:

joonasp.9217:

Aw yiss I’m a league winner! Feels great! But after 250 finishes I have nothing to remind me of this 7 weeks of hard work. I feel sick. Disgusting. I expect to see the unlimited finisher in the gem store in the near future.

Well to be fair you did win bush league so last server in gold league deserve better reward.

Well to be fair we did win something unlike SFR

gg anet……

Could have done a couple of things to make the chest worth while….
Everlasting Finisher (watch them put it in the gem store for $20)
Random Ascended Weapon Chest
Ahh well.. i better stop, I guess im expecting too much for ANET to learn from their past mistakes…. INB4 the devs come out saying “we had this all done and planned 4 months ago, we didn’t know 4 months ago you wouldn’t want that stuff”

Completion is its own reward… and I will straight up in-game stab anyone I can who says that.

Are you new to this game? Chests in this game never gave us rewards that are actualy worth anything. Anet defenition of rewards are weird.

That’s why I haven’t even bothered with the achievements.

joonasp.9217:

Junkpile.7439:

joonasp.9217:

Aw yiss I’m a league winner! Feels great! But after 250 finishes I have nothing to remind me of this 7 weeks of hard work. I feel sick. Disgusting. I expect to see the unlimited finisher in the gem store in the near future.

Well to be fair you did win bush league so last server in gold league deserve better reward.

Well to be fair we did win something unlike SFR

You did win tenth place and wanna get some huge reward for it.

Well now the pve crowd who joined wvw for the rewards can finally see what we been complaining about since launch. You can basically get everything we worked 7 weeks for in an hour pveing.

Junkpile.7439:

joonasp.9217:

Junkpile.7439:

joonasp.9217:

Aw yiss I’m a league winner! Feels great! But after 250 finishes I have nothing to remind me of this 7 weeks of hard work. I feel sick. Disgusting. I expect to see the unlimited finisher in the gem store in the near future.

Well to be fair you did win bush league so last server in gold league deserve better reward.

Well to be fair we did win something unlike SFR

You did win tenth place and wanna get some huge reward for it.

There’s no tenth place in the silver league. Only 9 servers. Stay in school son.

Samhayn.2385:

Here’s what I don’t get. Are you people new? WvW has always had less the stellar rewards to investment in it. This should come as a surprise to no one who has actively been doing wvw for any amount of time. I’m more shocked that the chest actually has a decent amount of dragonite in it.

Agreed. If you did WvW for the rewards, then you probably should’ve stuck to PvE

Adahilia.3678:

hmmm were we guaranteed anything other than what we’d get on a “normal day” in WvW? Don’t think so. Better question is why do you think you are entitled to get more than a RNG chest that may at most contain an exotic, rare and or greens and blues?

problem is, this is currently the sum total of all wvw up to this date.
The standings your server earned over a year of play, the 7 week long match ups. The community break ups and reforms. They are basically saying this is all its worth. 250 kills.

Is it the end of WvW? no, wvw has generally sucky rewards, but its sad that this is going to continue.
They should have added WvW only skins
WvW only finishers
WvW titles that dont take 6 years to complete.

the rewards chest is only the further reinforcement of the WvW rewards kind of suck problem. And lack of having WvW goals.

If this is the most you can hope for after 1 year of battles and a 7 week tournament, what type of rewards can you ever expect from wvw?

How could you promise rewards based on rank when the only difference is a bunch of greens ? So many people transferring making insane queues all over the place and the battlefield full of noobs. This was the last nail in your coffin ANET!

BAEK.8561:

Samhayn.2385:

Here’s what I don’t get. Are you people new? WvW has always had less the stellar rewards to investment in it. This should come as a surprise to no one who has actively been doing wvw for any amount of time. I’m more shocked that the chest actually has a decent amount of dragonite in it.

Agreed. If you did WvW for the rewards, then you probably should’ve stuck to PvE

there is no logical reason player versus player shouldnt have decent rewards, and more importantly somethings that you aim for as a competitor

phys.7689:

Adahilia.3678:

hmmm were we guaranteed anything other than what we’d get on a “normal day” in WvW? Don’t think so. Better question is why do you think you are entitled to get more than a RNG chest that may at most contain an exotic, rare and or greens and blues?

problem is, this is currently the sum total of all wvw up to this date.
The standings your server earned over a year of play, the 7 week long match ups. The community break ups and reforms. They are basically saying this is all its worth. 250 kills.

Is it the end of WvW? no, wvw has generally sucky rewards, but its sad that this is going to continue.
They should have added WvW only skins
WvW only finishers
WvW titles that dont take 6 years to complete.

the rewards chest is only the further reinforcement of the WvW rewards kind of suck problem. And lack of having WvW goals.

If this is the most you can hope for after 1 year of battles and a 7 week tournament, what type of rewards can you ever expect from wvw?

I don’t expect any actually, I do world because it is what I like to do. I don’t do it for rewards, I do it for the fights and the fun I have with my guild and my friends.

I will say that they were kind of in a rock and hard place. If rewards were good people will complain, if rewards are bad, you arent really incentivizing wvw competition very much.

I think they could have given basic rewards closer to what they gave the top servers, but they should have given some unique stuff to top placing teams. I think they could at least have given some titles, like Season 1 Silver God, Season 1 Silver King, Season1 silver lord.
Season 1 Golden god, etc.

the rewards are currently kind of failing.

Adahilia.3678:

phys.7689:

Adahilia.3678:

hmmm were we guaranteed anything other than what we’d get on a “normal day” in WvW? Don’t think so. Better question is why do you think you are entitled to get more than a RNG chest that may at most contain an exotic, rare and or greens and blues?

problem is, this is currently the sum total of all wvw up to this date.
The standings your server earned over a year of play, the 7 week long match ups. The community break ups and reforms. They are basically saying this is all its worth. 250 kills.

Is it the end of WvW? no, wvw has generally sucky rewards, but its sad that this is going to continue.
They should have added WvW only skins
WvW only finishers
WvW titles that dont take 6 years to complete.

the rewards chest is only the further reinforcement of the WvW rewards kind of suck problem. And lack of having WvW goals.

If this is the most you can hope for after 1 year of battles and a 7 week tournament, what type of rewards can you ever expect from wvw?

I don’t expect any actually, I do world because it is what I like to do. I don’t do it for rewards, I do it for the fights and the fun I have with my guild and my friends.

Even if you were in a weekend football league, you would get a permanent trophy, with the year and your ranking, gold, silver bronze. And probably a jersey that says something like 2013 champs.

I think you expect too little, wvw should actually give you some cool titles/uniques and similar “pay” to PVE. not saying you shouldnt have fun, but competitions generally have something to aim for.

I expected this. They announced better rewards for winning server. So everybody transferred to stacked servers to win. The league was a total failure. Terrible rewards were given cus some servers got to stacked and now need to transfer back to lower servers and pay more gems to get around the queues. Win win for anet.

Doing the achievements, mainly the dolyak/guards one probably took 40 hours for rewards that you could get in 1 hour doing dungeons, fractals, world bosses or champion train.

So any player who spent 40 hours doing those instead of WvW is 40 times richer in GW2.

Such a HUGE disparity in rewards.

Why is WvW not at all rewarding?

Samhayn.2385:

Here’s what I don’t get. Are you people new? WvW has always had less the stellar rewards to investment in it. This should come as a surprise to no one who has actively been doing wvw for any amount of time. I’m more shocked that the chest actually has a decent amount of dragonite in it.

I’ve gotten a number of exos and two ascended items from regular WvWvW rank chests and I’m just at Rank 72…

arKRazor.8654:

I’ve made constructive comments in other threads only to have them trashed.

Play WvW because you enjoy it, not for some carrot in the distance. I got a title and some extra goodies I wouldn’t have gotten otherwise,

Sure, if you were in the top half of your league. If you were in the bottom half of your league you got to spend seven lovely weeks getting rofl-stomped.

Before,we’d jump around and about 1 in 1 matches were good. 1 in 1 we got stomped. 1 in 1 we stomped. For the season 5 weeks of getting stomped and two of stomping.

If you were at the bottom of your league, it was 7 weeks of crappy matchups for 7 greens.

They should have made the rewards good for everyone, doing that doesn’t encourage stacking servers and rewards us for a decent chuck of playing time. For all that leagues did to WvW, it really should have been more.

Then again this is basically a reward chest for doing the ruins achievements, because it was just about the only thing I did differently than what I normally do in WvW.

Yup the rewards are a total fail. My friend who I have played this game with for over a year has already quit and I am soon to follow. Later Anet.

phys.7689:

BAEK.8561:

Samhayn.2385:

Here’s what I don’t get. Are you people new? WvW has always had less the stellar rewards to investment in it. This should come as a surprise to no one who has actively been doing wvw for any amount of time. I’m more shocked that the chest actually has a decent amount of dragonite in it.

Agreed. If you did WvW for the rewards, then you probably should’ve stuck to PvE

there is no logical reason player versus player shouldnt have decent rewards, and more importantly somethings that you aim for as a competitor

There is a logical reason. The diehard fans of WvW are tired of reward-seeking players who don’t care about WvW objectives taking spots and causing crazy long queues. WvW players want to play with like-minded players and want to play against like-minded players.

If you want rewards, there is a game mode that gives you good rewards: PvE. Stay out of WvW if you don’t intend to WvW

I enjoy the game mode and play for the fun of the game mode, but that does not mean that it is fair or appropriate to completely trash the player base for wanting good rewards. You earn more net gold from 10 minutes of AC in PvE than you get from this chest. This is inexcusable.

Rewards in a game like an MMO are important because they encourage participation. They encourage diversification. They draw people in from other parts of the game to try this other super cool game mode. Rewards come in the form of AP, gold, cool items, and unique skins and other rewards. This chest, which took a ton of effort for people who might normally only play PvE, is completely disincentivizing those players from EVER participating in another WvW season. Maybe you want PvE players to go back to PvE, but quite frankly, my server has never felt more ALIVE and TOGETHER in WvW before season 1, and I think that’s great! I want more of that. I want to bring in new players to WvW and show them the ropes. I want to see a server continue to grow and expand.

So yeah, I play because the game mode is fun. I’ll keep playing because the game mode is fun. But like hell would it be nice if once in a blue moon I actually felt like I could work toward a legendary with just playing WvW or something. Devon keeps talking about “increasing rewards” and stuff, and then we get this. This is abysmal. This is just downright bad.

BAEK.8561:

phys.7689:

BAEK.8561:

Samhayn.2385:

Here’s what I don’t get. Are you people new? WvW has always had less the stellar rewards to investment in it. This should come as a surprise to no one who has actively been doing wvw for any amount of time. I’m more shocked that the chest actually has a decent amount of dragonite in it.

Agreed. If you did WvW for the rewards, then you probably should’ve stuck to PvE

there is no logical reason player versus player shouldnt have decent rewards, and more importantly somethings that you aim for as a competitor

There is a logical reason. The diehard fans of WvW are tired of reward-seeking players who don’t care about WvW objectives taking spots and causing crazy long queues. WvW players want to play with like-minded players and want to play against like-minded players.

If you want rewards, there is a game mode that gives you good rewards: PvE. Stay out of WvW if you don’t intend to WvW

what if I want to WvW AND make progress toward an ascended weapon or legendary?