Yes because those +(x) pips for your current skirmish place don’t encourage winning skirmishes? /s You’re basically saying the system is broken because an incredibly small minority of people abuse it. However most “active” encouragement systems, as you call it, would result in far more people abusing it as a ktrain. The current system is fine. May need some tuning (as people have suggested with outnumbered – only gain if you’ve been on the map for 2.5 minutes or more) but nothing major.
And yet another example for people mostly posting here to troll rather than engaging in constructive debates!
First off, its not a minority abusing the outnumbered pips and i don’t blame them because the current pip system encourages abusing it rather than promoting actually playing the game mode.
Secondly, the current system only rewards single skirmishes and it really makes almost no difference if you come in first, second or last place! The overall match up doesn’t reward anything at the moment! This needs to change!
What this game needs in all game modes is a reward system that encourages participating and engaging in content and stepping away from the “all who show up receive a medal” mentality!
Say once you’ve reached 400 pips gained from that buff you stop receiving them.
No legitimate player should ever come close to 400 pips gained by being outnumbered so it shouldn’t be a problem.
You still need 1450 to cap for the week so that’s a good number to put a maximum cap on that buff, and require the players to contribute if they want to finish their tickets.
Odd since I legitimately play, and have well over 400 pips from outnumbered. Outnumbered makes up the majority of my pips since I am only receiving 3 pips (1 for level, 1 for WvW score, and 1 for getting wood).
i can see it making up the majority if you’re getting 3 pips per tick, but i seriously doubt the claim that having over 400 from outnumbered is legitimate gameplay.
Below is my final from last week… i played 73.6 hours in WvW and never broke 300. If you’re getting over 400 for outnumbered, then you’re actively farming it.
Don’t try to make of your personal experience as truth fact to all players. What you can experience may be completely different to what another player experiences.
As you can see, I have barely 10% of your game play this week, played 2 days only so far and already have 215 pips from being on an outnumbered map. I am a solo/duo or trio roamer and usually pick the less populous maps to avoid being chased over by blobs and so the outnumbered buff flashes frequent depending on the time zone.
Time zone, server, way of playing and other factors have huge impact thus creating different experiences to a variety of players.
Below is my final from last week… i played 73.6 hours in WvW and never broke 300. If you’re getting over 400 for outnumbered, then you’re actively farming it.
Yes well maybe players farm it because they dont have time to spend 10 hours a day in WvW.
I know if I did I would literally only have 2 hours to sleep between working, playing and generally staying alive. I wont cry when its gone – under the assumption we get more pips in general – but being outmanned in the middle of primetime is pretty sweet. I got maybe 150 outmanned points this week already and I’ve still not cleared gold.
Yes because those +(x) pips for your current skirmish place don’t encourage winning skirmishes? /s You’re basically saying the system is broken because an incredibly small minority of people abuse it. However most “active” encouragement systems, as you call it, would result in far more people abusing it as a ktrain. The current system is fine. May need some tuning (as people have suggested with outnumbered – only gain if you’ve been on the map for 2.5 minutes or more) but nothing major.
And yet another example for people mostly posting here to troll rather than engaging in constructive debates!
First off, its not a minority abusing the outnumbered pips and i don’t blame them because the current pip system encourages abusing it rather than promoting actually playing the game mode.
Secondly, the current system only rewards single skirmishes and it really makes almost no difference if you come in first, second or last place! The overall match up doesn’t reward anything at the moment! This needs to change!
What this game needs in all game modes is a reward system that encourages participating and engaging in content and stepping away from the “all who show up receive a medal” mentality!
So I give a valid counter to your original statement and you call me a troll? Very constructive of you.
1. I speak for FA when I say there is only a small minority abusing the outnumbered pips. And Anet has already said they are changing the way outnumbered works. A few of said abusers are actually just people waiting for their participation to degeneration to get those last pips before they logout. There’s nothing sinful about that.
2. And how does that not encourage winning? Maybe a final boost of pips for those who participated for the entire skirmish would be in order, I can agree to that.
3. Lastly, as I said before. Most suggestions so far to an active reward of pips (for capping objectives etc.) would only encourage Ktrains. If you have an actual idea of what this active encouragement should be that wouldn’t also encourage ktrainers, please do say. I’m open to the idea, but so far no one seems to have come up with anything good enough.
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Say once you’ve reached 400 pips gained from that buff you stop receiving them.
No legitimate player should ever come close to 400 pips gained by being outnumbered so it shouldn’t be a problem.
You still need 1450 to cap for the week so that’s a good number to put a maximum cap on that buff, and require the players to contribute if they want to finish their tickets.
Odd since I legitimately play, and have well over 400 pips from outnumbered. Outnumbered makes up the majority of my pips since I am only receiving 3 pips (1 for level, 1 for WvW score, and 1 for getting wood).
i can see it making up the majority if you’re getting 3 pips per tick, but i seriously doubt the claim that having over 400 from outnumbered is legitimate gameplay.
Below is my final from last week… i played 73.6 hours in WvW and never broke 300. If you’re getting over 400 for outnumbered, then you’re actively farming it.
Don’t try to make of your personal experience as truth fact to all players. What you can experience may be completely different to what another player experiences.
As you can see, I have barely 10% of your game play this week, played 2 days only so far and already have 215 pips from being on an outnumbered map. I am a solo/duo or trio roamer and usually pick the less populous maps to avoid being chased over by blobs and so the outnumbered buff flashes frequent depending on the time zone.
Time zone, server, way of playing and other factors have huge impact thus creating different experiences to a variety of players.
My experience has been the same as Els. This matchup so far I have stayed in CD BL the entire time solo roaming (and ganking my ex-guildies who are on CD). 60% of the time i have had outnumbered due to my server having a weak SEA presence.
Outnumbered is now applied each scoring tick (every 5 minutes). Swapping to a map right before a tick will no longer grant an Outnumbered pip bonus. Instead, you must play on an Outnumbered map for an entire tick to earn the bonus.
Participation decay timers have been adjusted so that players must be more active to keep participation from decaying.
Another derailing post. ^^ North Keep: One of the village residents will now flee if their home is destroyed.
“I knew it, I’m surrounded by…” – Dark Helmet
Outnumbered is now applied each scoring tick (every 5 minutes). Swapping to a map right before a tick will no longer grant an Outnumbered pip bonus. Instead, you must play on an Outnumbered map for an entire tick to earn the bonus.
Participation decay timers have been adjusted so that players must be more active to keep participation from decaying.
This one bothers me a bit – “Participation decay timers have been adjusted so that players must be more active to keep participation from decaying.” Mostly cause there are a number of things in WvW that don’t credit you with participation. such as building siege in a keep or tower, dying (i.e. Im running somewhere and my levels are falling someone kills me now i must rez and come back hurry to hit something that will give me credit asap before my level of participation is lost), desert map can be hard sometimes on getting from place to place which means on levels 1-3 can be hard to keep up.
Bare minimum if killed by another player I should get participation credit after all he/she likely got a bag for it, which means i participated enough for that player to get a bag I should get participation credit, and building siege in keeps, towers etc should be some level of participation.
~ Emma Vine Sixty Nine Shades Of [NUDE] – Crystal Desert
The new outmanned is great. It works, and the solution is reasonable.
The participation is absolutely broken. The inactivity timer starts 30 seconds after last action (I have also had it start while doing things like trebbing an enemy tower).
There has to be more of a delay. It takes longer to run to keeps/take fortified ones, etc.
I am ‘out of wvw’ until/unless this is fixed. As a high xp player in wvw I’ve seen things go in different directions and dealt with them. This one is a show stopper for me.
