Guild Wars 2

After considerable hours in WvW since the new matching system, I really miss the old system. And here’s why:

1) In the old days when you went up a server rank it felt like a huge victory. And when you went down it felt like a crushing loss. With this new system it’s all jumbled up. When we’re winning, we drop a rank. When we lose, we go up a rank. I’m sure the math all adds up somewhere and doing tolerably against a higher ranking server means blah blah blah… It’s still a weird feeling. Since launch I’ve wanted a real prize for winning a WvW match. Or at least first and second rewards. This feels like even more a step away from that.

2) The matches are totally not even. I think when Anet instituted this new system they said something like “We were curious what would happen if higher ranking servers fought against lower ranking servers.” Well, I can satisfy their curiosity. The higher ranked servers win. Hard. In the old days WvW matches felt so much more balanced and fair because each server was only one rank ahead or behind. The matches were exciting, nerve-wracking, clashes of desperate fighting for every last point. Sometimes an hour before reset we still wouldn’t know who’d come out on top. Bitter & beautiful grudges formed between servers because some match-ups would go on week after week. I’m thinking specifically of the HoD, GoM, NSP match up which lasted a few months. It was glorious. An intense rivalry formed between us and we started to learn GoM techniques and adapt to their strategies. When HoD finally dropped out of the match it was sad to see them go (good sad). Now each week it’s a total toss up. No rhyme or reason. We’re losing WvW players every week because fighting some random server with tons more players than you is a drag and most WvW players just wait the week out to see if they get a better match up next week. Real boring.

3) This may seem like a minor quip in comparison, but WvW ranks feel strange. I want others to be able to see my rank. Also, at level 50 something I’m still a “squire”. The last three rank ups where all still “squire” A squire???? Really? How meek and pitiful of a title can there be? Here’s how Wikipedia defines a squire: “A squire was the shield bearer or armor bearer of a knight, and at times squires included a knight’s errand runner or servant.” I’m a huge level 80 Norn guardian and I’m rank 50. I really should have moved beyond the “square” phase by now. That should be WvW rank 1.

Agree? Disagree? Post below.

+1 for the matching system. I too miss the old system and I think many others too.

The only wrong thing with the old system was : the difference between the average of the scores of 2 adjacent tier was too big. Anet, it should have been easy to realize that and to fix the old system instead of giving us random number and bad matchup.

Anet is just kitten there are more players on WvW instead of sPvP. So they decided to kitten WvW up so we’ll move to sPvP. Not gonna happen Anet.

You have to remember that there were thread upon threads bemoaning the old system until anet finally made this new RNG matchup …. I suspect to shut us all up. The old complaints were about stale predictable matches, or no way to move up because of server stacking (that hasn’t changed and I suspect is about to get worse with the leagues).

That said, I preferred the old matchup system, but I can find fun still in the new one too.

I miss the adrenaline of 3 days matchup, winner going up and loser down. That was epic and everyone was working for his server.

Well said bro. I think most of us feel this way. the current random matchup system is terrible. Beyond terrible, it’s rage inducing. So many people have quit because of it.

Jayne.9251:

The old complaints were about stale predictable matches, or no way to move up because of server stacking (that hasn’t changed and I suspect is about to get worse with the leagues).

No no, you get that part all wrong… I said it before many time and I will repeat it :

The only wrong thing with the old system was : the difference between the average of the scores of 2 adjacent tiers was too big.

Nikkinella.8254:

Well said bro. I think most of us feel this way. the current random matchup system is terrible. Beyond terrible, it’s rage inducing. So many people have quit because of it.

It’s true many people quit because of it. This new matchup system was basically the nail in the coffin for all those that care a little bit about PPT and defending. After getting bad matchup every week you just stop caring and just log on from time to time to karma train…

To the ones that would like to say that caring about PPT is stupid, I will say : The final nail in the coffin is coming for you too —> orb buff lol

Way to kill the 2 groups that cared about WvW…

Agree 100% with the OP.

It was so great this week to be paired up against with our old rivals DB and FA. It was like meeting old friends again (granted, old friends whom you hated and wanted to kill). But at least the outcome mattered. Pride was on the line.

Now the chances of getting a good match are so slim, that it’s no wonder GvG are such a big scene now. Every server has at least 2 or 3 dedicated WvW guilds who you can fight competitively.

Leagues will be even worse.

I agree with you op (glad to see you posted in the right forum this time lol)

Entropy.4732:

After considerable hours in WvW since the new matching system, I really miss the old system. And here’s why:

1) In the old days when you went up a server rank it felt like a huge victory. And when you went down it felt like a crushing loss.

Can’t agree here. 95% of the times you could tell who would win a match up after the weekend, and you still can. +/- 1 rank often meant a huge difference in population and coverage disparity.

Entropy.4732:

2) The matches are totally not even.

Again, they weren’t even back then either. For example, here is T5 up until the system changed:

Week 1: 140k win.
Week 2: 370k win.
Week 3: 520k win.
Week 4: 170k win.
Week 5: 180k win.
Week 6: 180k win.
Week 7: 110k win.
Week 8: 150k win.
Week 9: 240k win.
Week 10: 34k win.
Week 11: 100k win.
Week 12: 46k win.
Week 13: 50k win.
Week 14: 50k win.
Week 15: 30k win.
Week 16: 75k win.
Week 17: 100k win.
Week 18: 90k win.

Entropy.4732:

3) This may seem like a minor quip in comparison, but WvW ranks feel strange.

I agree, but I would prefer it if they did away with them completely, or exclusively rewarded them for time spent in WvW, not favoring one type of game play over another.

randomized matchups were implemented for the carebears who couldn’t maplete the opposing part of the maps

2) Tell me about it. RoF is the only server who have stronger enemies 5 weeks in a row.
So we are stomped by huge numbers for 5 weeks now. How fun. I miss matches against Dzagonur and I will never ever say Dzagonur blobs.
3) WvW ranks should be a part of a title. So You can choose if you are Master Crafter,Golden or Bronze Invader.

I don’t miss the old match up system at all…

Fighting Viz and Des for week after week, month after month, no way do I want to go back to that…

The new system is awesome. Fighting against a server you should not be able to hold up and still managing is pretty cool and gives you a “underdog” feeling.
Some improvements to the outmanned buff should be done though, so the underdog can fight tooth and claw on a more equal footing.

the old system was absolutely horrid, new system is alot better and the leagues will make it even better as long as THE PEOPLE are willing to destack. This isn’t Anets fault what anet are doing with matchmaking are adding improvements but the people insist on stacking in the top t3 servers.

i feel like the new system is they put numbers in a hat and then select the servers based on that. the personal reason i say this is the end point system i.e. its usually about 250k, 90k, 80k in points, with the old system (wasn’t perfect) i think it was more even fights (on most occasions) but with the new one its not a fight about who comes in first, but who comes in second. and its happened for the last couple months.

kamedin.4698:

i feel like the new system is they put numbers in a hat and then select the servers based on that. the personal reason i say this is the end point system i.e. its usually about 250k, 90k, 80k in points, with the old system (wasn’t perfect) i think it was more even fights (on most occasions) but with the new one its not a fight about who comes in first, but who comes in second. and its happened for the last couple months.

Totally agree with this. First place is rarely an option. It’s all about who gets second place, which ultimately boils down to which sever the winning server decides to pick on more.

Entropy.4732:

Totally agree with this. First place is rarely an option. It’s all about who gets second place, which ultimately boils down to which sever the winning server decides to pick on more.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingmaker_scenario