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Because as of now, everyone just goes there and ignores the battlelands

really sucks to have 3 maps empty and everyone (as in all servers based on color) in the new map.

this ruined WvW. Everyone is now piled into a map smaller then EBL

It’s the new shiny toy. Give it a couple days/weeks and I think we will find BL’s populated once again.

Siobhan.3582:

Because as of now, everyone just goes there and ignores the battlelands

really sucks to have 3 maps empty and everyone (as in all servers based on color) in the new map.

this ruined WvW. Everyone is now piled into a map smaller then EBL

How could you even think things would be different ? Its a New Map after a year and a half…wouldnt you have expected Everyone to try it out ? Thats just a no brainer.

My point is that Anet is flat out saying they failed with the current maps then. They are giving up on them if they are adding this map.

I mean we do not have season 2, so there is not need to win the weekly match up. You can just hop into the new map, fight, get WvW xp and have a better experience.

There is zero incentive to return to the current bl’s. Why would you not improve the current ones instead of this?

Siobhan.3582:

Why would you not improve the current ones instead of this?

They did improve them, the overwhelming response was “meh, this is nice and all but what everyone really wants is new maps”

lol the lower amount of people in WvW as result of EoTM coming out a day ago is very far from unexpected. More people will get back into WvW each day from now on after they decide they don’t want to play EoTM anymore. Some will stay. Either way I think the WvW population will be lessened but I dunno if we’d be able to guess how much until about a month or two from now.

Best move would be to work on converting all of WvW into a green/blue/red battle, not a server one. Borderlands/EBG are already dead for most servers (outside of certain prime times). Edge of the Mists should stay active nearly 24/7 because of its design. The other maps should be converted over.

Not a bad idea Celtus. You can still have season 2 rewards that way.

It is a different mode.
People with server pride will still go on regular WvW.
Many do not like having to run minutes to get to the bus.
Many do not like the possibility of being bumped/feared off the ledges.
Many do not like the map setup and different bonuses for different teams…
But many love at least one of the above.

It is so different than regular WvW that it will attract it’s own crowd.

Siobhan.3582:

My point is that Anet is flat out saying they failed with the current maps then. They are giving up on them if they are adding this map.

I mean we do not have season 2, so there is not need to win the weekly match up. You can just hop into the new map, fight, get WvW xp and have a better experience.

There is zero incentive to return to the current bl’s. Why would you not improve the current ones instead of this?

I don’t think the new map is that much of a threat to wvw. Fine for filling in time while in queue, but nothing to hold me for any length of time over the regular wvw maps. This is pretty much the take on almost every serious wvw’er I’ve talked to?

KrakerJack.8543:

It’s the new shiny toy. Give it a couple days/weeks and I think we will find BL’s populated once again.

Assuming you are on a server where PPT matters. Remember, half of the games WvW population is not in that position due to coverage / population gaps.

And if the main gameplay gravitates and becomes non-PPT based, what’s wrong with that ?

The only thing I don’t like about EOTM is that you cant enter/que as a guild or large organized group. Once or if that happens, its perma good bye to PPT.

Tongku.5326:

KrakerJack.8543:

It’s the new shiny toy. Give it a couple days/weeks and I think we will find BL’s populated once again.

Assuming you are on a server where PPT matters. Remember, half of the games WvW population is not in that position due to coverage / population gaps.

And if the main gameplay gravitates and becomes non-PPT based, what’s wrong with that ?

The only thing I don’t like about EOTM is that you cant enter/que as a guild or large organized group. Once or if that happens, its perma good bye to PPT.

Wrong. You can easily get a guild zerg in there. I’ve seen several already.

Here’s how

You have everyone enter eotm. Then 4 people join the same party and “join instance” so now they’re all in the same EOTM. After that, everyone in the same instance leaves the party and more players join their parties and “join instance”

Now you have large guild zergs.

You’re welcome (or I’m sorry).

Celtus.8456:

Best move would be to work on converting all of WvW into a green/blue/red battle, not a server one. Borderlands/EBG are already dead for most servers (outside of certain prime times). Edge of the Mists should stay active nearly 24/7 because of its design. The other maps should be converted over.

Agreed!

It just encourages underdog realms to stay there. At least now, if the scores can be close, folks will fight out there in the bl.

Now if you are 3rd place, shrug and just go there. Then less fights in bl’s so the other two realms move there.

Sorry, but since there are no rewards for WvW (ie seasons and such) and most weekly matchups become a 2 way fight (if that) by the weekend, people have zero reason to stay in the bl’s.

This map is really a bad thing for WvW, as a whole.

Siobhan.3582:

My point is that Anet is flat out saying they failed with the current maps then. They are giving up on them if they are adding this map.

I mean we do not have season 2, so there is not need to win the weekly match up. You can just hop into the new map, fight, get WvW xp and have a better experience.

There is zero incentive to return to the current bl’s. Why would you not improve the current ones instead of this?

Actually what it says is that ARenanet realize that the amount of chinese players would not be enough to fit into the current WvW maps, so they created an overflow for them.

Siobhan.3582:

Because as of now, everyone just goes there and ignores the battlelands

this ruined WvW. Everyone is now piled into a map smaller then EBL

Good….the borderlands and EBG sucked. They’re so stale now days…no point to even playing in them unless you’re zerging around, which is totally mindless and boring. EotM Is amazing though, the more people it takes away from the other WvW maps the better.

Celtus.8456:

Best move would be to work on converting all of WvW into a green/blue/red battle, not a server one. Borderlands/EBG are already dead for most servers (outside of certain prime times). Edge of the Mists should stay active nearly 24/7 because of its design. The other maps should be converted over.

Very much this. The only reason to even keep the current system on old maps is server pride at this point and lets be honest, we’ve seen how important server pride is when a server collapses and guilds leave like rats leaving a sinking ship.

Celtus.8456:

Best move would be to work on converting all of WvW into a green/blue/red battle, not a server one. Borderlands/EBG are already dead for most servers (outside of certain prime times). Edge of the Mists should stay active nearly 24/7 because of its design. The other maps should be converted over.

This would be a good idea and will be the only way to achieve population balance IMO. Also reduce matches to 8 or 12 hours instead of 24/7 format.

It is the only thing good about EoTM from a PvP perspective.

I would also like to see them take out 100% of the PvE content from the boarder lands to give a little love to the PvP population. 95% of the game is PvE now including this new WvW map…can’t we have just the boarder lands with no living story, no jumping puzzles, no map completion, no random npcs that have no purpose except to get in the way of PvP?

PLEASE!

Celtus.8456:

Best move would be to work on converting all of WvW into a green/blue/red battle

No, thank you, unless untill there’s some sane way for the guild to join the same overflow. At least for one guild, i’m not talking about trying to get the needed opponent to the same map. Without such a mechanism this is gonna be a total mess (which it kinda is now) and will kill the remains of organised raiding cause people will enjoy endless tries to enter the same overflow as much as they enjoy queues.

Siobhan.3582:

It just encourages underdog realms to stay there. At least now, if the scores can be close, folks will fight out there in the bl.

Now if you are 3rd place, shrug and just go there. Then less fights in bl’s so the other two realms move there.

Sorry, but since there are no rewards for WvW (ie seasons and such) and most weekly matchups become a 2 way fight (if that) by the weekend, people have zero reason to stay in the bl’s.

This map is really a bad thing for WvW, as a whole.

I agree with everything you say, I think its potentially a disaster for the game mode.

Kitsune.4280:

Celtus.8456:

Best move would be to work on converting all of WvW into a green/blue/red battle

No, thank you, unless untill there’s some sane way for the guild to join the same overflow. At least for one guild, i’m not talking about trying to get the needed opponent to the same map. Without such a mechanism this is gonna be a total mess (which it kinda is now) and will kill the remains of organised raiding cause people will enjoy endless tries to enter the same overflow as much as they enjoy queues.

Someone above already explained how to taxi in your guild to the same overflow….ppl do it all the time with PvE events…it is not a problem.

Krash.9486:

Kitsune.4280:

Celtus.8456:

Best move would be to work on converting all of WvW into a green/blue/red battle

No, thank you, unless untill there’s some sane way for the guild to join the same overflow. At least for one guild, i’m not talking about trying to get the needed opponent to the same map. Without such a mechanism this is gonna be a total mess (which it kinda is now) and will kill the remains of organised raiding cause people will enjoy endless tries to enter the same overflow as much as they enjoy queues.

Someone above already explained how to taxi in your guild to the same overflow….ppl do it all the time with PvE events…it is not a problem.

I’ve said a sane way, no shaman dances with tambourine please

Krash.9486:

Kitsune.4280:

Celtus.8456:

Best move would be to work on converting all of WvW into a green/blue/red battle

No, thank you, unless untill there’s some sane way for the guild to join the same overflow. At least for one guild, i’m not talking about trying to get the needed opponent to the same map. Without such a mechanism this is gonna be a total mess (which it kinda is now) and will kill the remains of organised raiding cause people will enjoy endless tries to enter the same overflow as much as they enjoy queues.

Someone above already explained how to taxi in your guild to the same overflow….ppl do it all the time with PvE events…it is not a problem.

Problem is (totally unfounded numbers coming) if the map join limit is 100, and the hard cap is 125. Two guilds of 20/25 payers join the same OF at the same time, on which other people already are joining… none of those can get all their players in… So, one changes OF, tries to get all its players on… which it does not achieve… how many changes could be needed? Might be 0, but might be 10…
Plus, guilds fighting against pugs, who certainly have no vocal, so are easy bags… Not funny…
Plus, one map being hard capped against others that are only soft capped…

Kitsune.4280:

Krash.9486:

Kitsune.4280:

Celtus.8456:

Best move would be to work on converting all of WvW into a green/blue/red battle

No, thank you, unless untill there’s some sane way for the guild to join the same overflow. At least for one guild, i’m not talking about trying to get the needed opponent to the same map. Without such a mechanism this is gonna be a total mess (which it kinda is now) and will kill the remains of organised raiding cause people will enjoy endless tries to enter the same overflow as much as they enjoy queues.

Someone above already explained how to taxi in your guild to the same overflow….ppl do it all the time with PvE events…it is not a problem.

I’ve said a sane way, no shaman dances with tambourine please

Shaman? wrong game….but it entails joining a party..right clicking on a party members name…click join instance….for more than one party you might need to reform a party or two……I admit, there are times on Friday nights after exercising my elbow too much that becomes difficult….but most times it is very doable.. =p

If it only existed as an overflow lower pop/morale servers simply wouldn’t have access to the content.

All the more reason for them to Fix the Imbalances between Populations and the Scores that are so skewed by Coverage that you see some Match-ups over before the weekend is over!

Desolation earlier tonight ticked for +25 at 10pm and +50 at 8pm, which is as you can understand shows how much this new Map has affected us. I don’t think EoTM is everyone’s cup of tea though and as I mentioned many of us will go back to playing on the BL’s and EB after a while.

All we have to play for is Bragging rights and Server Pride, it may be about time that players catch on to the fact that there is no point in trying to Compete in a imbalanced Matchup and neither for the Server Wide Bonuses anymore.

Does this new map also give less reason for Guilds to Transfer to lesser populated wvw servers? What Anet needs to do is make it so each of the maps had enough unique differences especially in terms of how the maps flow, such as: having more open field plains and less obvious choke points on the main maps (not those cannons I’ve heard about in EoTM!), otherwise we might aswell re-roll tetris.

It’s one think to make a mistake trying out an idea that no one has tried before. The first true WvW game, Daoc, made the same mistake that Anet is doing now. Spreading the WvW out by adding more places for people to go.

The new genre of games are supposed to learn from past mistakes from other games. Apparently Anet hasn’t learned that lesson.

Add to the error is now people on “super servers” never have motivation to leave …and people on lower population servers are actually rewarded by leaving.

It’s fairly obvious by game design there are two different design camps in Anet that compete with each other. How else to explain regular WvW maps with this abomination? I understand some people will prefer this style map but the point is ..
You simply can’t be all things to all people

Another mistake that Anet is making that others have made in the past.

CrimsonNeonite.1048:

All the more reason for them to Fix the Imbalances between Population and the Scores that are so skewed by Coverage, that you see some Match-ups over before the weekend is over!

Desolation earlier tonight ticked for +25 at 10pm and +50 at 8pm, which is as you can quite a sign of how much this new Map has affected us. I don’t think EoTM is everyone’s cup of tea though and as I mentioned many of us will go back to playing on the BL’s and EB after a while.

All we have to play for is Bragging rights and Server Pride, it may be about time that players catch on to the fact that there is no point in trying to Compete in a imbalanced Matchup and neither for the Server Wide Bonuses anymore.

Does this new map also gives less reason for Guilds to Transfer to lesser population wvw servers?

Same thing happened to our server. I don’t think we ticked over 100 ALL DAY today.

they should just scrap EBG and Borderlands, and make this new map a new WvW arena, making the fight based on color. make it have multiple instances of overflow like current one. everyone will go there.

there you go, fixed that for you ANET.

When you see the attached happen (it was 500+ ppt btw), even in tier 1…. I am curious how WvW will continue going forward.

DivineBeing.2086:

When you see the attached happen (it was 500+ ppt btw), even in tier 1…. I am curious how WvW will continue going forward.

Simple. Tell people on your server to stop PvDooring and fight us in EoTM.

Our guild had a blast in EotM last night! With the current state of scoring, and the tower humping/siege addicted culture it has spawned on some servers, the old maps can die a slow death for all I care.

EotM saved the game for me. Tier 8, bottom of the servers, Kaineng. It’s nice to see what it’s like to have even numbers for once.

Vespirisa.1497:

DivineBeing.2086:

When you see the attached happen (it was 500+ ppt btw), even in tier 1…. I am curious how WvW will continue going forward.

Simple. Tell people on your server to stop PvDooring and fight us in EoTM.

That’s what OnS did tonight for our raid. The results? Green team won. We captured both blue and red keeps. Choo was on the map but went to watch NS vs TW in OS afterawhile.

DivineBeing.2086:

Vespirisa.1497:

DivineBeing.2086:

When you see the attached happen (it was 500+ ppt btw), even in tier 1…. I am curious how WvW will continue going forward.

Simple. Tell people on your server to stop PvDooring and fight us in EoTM.

That’s what OnS did tonight for our raid. The results? Green team won. We captured both blue and red keeps. Choo was on the map but went to watch NS vs TW in OS afterawhile.

Yah OnS was the only BG/JQ guild I saw while hopping between maps. It was very fun at least.

gennyt.3428:

Our guild had a blast in EotM last night! With the current state of scoring, and the tower humping/siege addicted culture it has spawned on some servers, the old maps can die a slow death for all I care.

Pathetic is it not? Exactly what we have faced this week. People have just given up because of the negative tactics of one particular side. At the moment our ppt is 50 due to I guess a few ‘hardcore’ players trying.
I went into Eotm for the first time last night and it was quite refreshing.

another reason to make new borderland maps.

DivineBeing.2086:

When you see the attached happen (it was 500+ ppt btw), even in tier 1…. I am curious how WvW will continue going forward.

Yesterday BG was going on about them being the under dogs again……….

A little piece of advice…..stop stacking more guilds every time you all lose one fight.

KeeZee.7312:

Yesterday BG was going on about them being the under dogs again……….

A little piece of advice…..stop stacking more guilds every time you all lose one fight.

BGs been the only full server for a while now. Not sure how you think guilds are transferring.

So how is that new “WvW” overflow working out?

My Guardian is level 70, he’ll soon be my second 80 leveled primarily with EotM.

Mission accomplished?

It was just there so that the Chinese launch wouldn’t have massive queues. NA servers have pretty much not had long queues since way before EotM came out.

By the way, they also said that EotM existed so that new features could be tested for WvW. That didn’t turn out so well either.

Lord Kuru.3685:

It was just there so that the Chinese launch wouldn’t have massive queues. NA servers have pretty much not had long queues since way before EotM came out.

By the way, they also said that EotM existed so that new features could be tested for WvW. That didn’t turn out so well either.

You forgot to mention that it was also to satisfy metrics. People had been complaining since launch about a lack attention to WvW and numbers start to drop on all the non tier 1 servers. So they create a new “WvW” map. Then they make the rewards better than all other WvW maps so people will flock to it for the rewards. Now they can say they have given WvW attention it needs and they even made a new map that the metrics show is a huge success. If they made it so the rewards in the borderlands were as good as EotM I guarantee you things would be different.