Guild Wars 2

After spending many hours on pvp and pve, where I did everything possible and got bored very fast, I tried WvW.

It’s terrible.

You spend hours simply getting into action, and what action! You have a choice between destroying doors, those don’t don’t really fight back, or go roaming. Roaming is fun, until you encounter the enemy bus at which point your are dead and you have to walk for hours again just to get to play the game.

So PvE is almost non-existent, WvW is terrible, PvP is kind of decent … that’s it?

Guess this isnt the game for you. Try something else.

Uhm, did you try Edge of the Mists or Eternal Battlegrounds? I’d say there’s quite a bit of difference between both.

ICEing.9237:

Guess this isnt the game for you. Try something else.

you cant satisfy a troll who has mastered the art of hyperbole

Darox.8069:

you have to walk for hours again just to get to play the game.

Most people that play WvW make their characters run instead of walk, then it only takes a few minutes to get across the map. I assume you spend most of your time in Divinity’s Reach on TC?

Whoah!!!! Wait just one second!!!!….. You can walk in this game?

ganeshori.6309:

Whoah!!!! Wait just one second!!!!….. You can walk in this game?

If you’re serious: It doesn’t have a default key, if I remember right, but yes.

Yeah of course I run :p

So I see no real answer? I guess that was to be expected!

Darox.8069:

Yeah of course I run :p

So I see no real answer? I guess that was to be expected!

Pugging is an absolutely atrociious experience for me anymore. I only get enjoyment from guild runs and commanding anymore.

You wont get an answer that WvW is good from here either, We all think its just a kitten as you, but there is no other decent RvR game in the market for another year and half which is the only reason Gw2 retains its RvR population. Even though ESO is really, really, really bad. Some people go there for something new anyways.

Darox.8069:

You have a choice between destroying doors, those don’t don’t really fight back, or go roaming. Roaming is fun, until you encounter the enemy bus at which point your are dead and you have to walk for hours again just to get to play the game.

So.. you tried to ninja a tower or something and tried to roam but got ran over by a larger group cus of a lack of situational awareness. Sounds like you are clueless and not very good or aren’t using a decent roaming build. Plus you didn’t mention trying any of the other parts of wvw like following a commander, joining a wvw guild, open field fights, assaulting or defending a keep or gvgs.

Your post is like complaining that GW2’s pve sucks cus the only thing to do is feeding cows and kicking wurm holes in Queensdale. You haven’t done anything yet, yet are qqing on the forums.

Op if you want to roam, then some WvW overlay is needed for you. Then you wont need to walk hours.
And of course, running from one edge of map to other side takes about 3 minutes for roamer. Not hours. And in your way there is stuff roamer can do, taking sentries, killing yaks, flipping bloodlust, taging towers/keeps.

Darox.8069:

So I see no real answer? I guess that was to be expected!

There was one pertinent answer there put into the form of a question .. which map where you on? It certainly sounds like you were on EotM or Eternal Battlegrounds. In the case of the former, particularly, most of your time will be karmatraining for PvD and Champ rewards. EBG can get very blobby and depending on the time of day, consist of a lot of PvD (as do the BLs at certain hours of the day).

But WvW is what you make of it! The way I found WvW was by joining a Guild committed to enjoying WvW. When we have a raid night, we are prepared for
*Open field fights when we come across close to equal numbers (+ or – )
*Unafraid to defend against higher number opposition in our keeps and towers.
*Prepared to attack a well defended and upgraded keep or tower.
It’s not just the element of trying WvW .. you have to commit to finding the essence of the game.

You will see a lot of QQ about the short-comings and how we as a community are being let down. Truth is though .. we’re all here because we love this aspect of the game and keep coming back for more.

And when we do find those awesome fights, whether it’s 1v1, 5v5 or ZvZ, they are the best thing you will find in GuildWars2

Darox.8069:

So PvE is almost non-existent, WvW is terrible, PvP is kind of decent … that’s it?

Well, I don’t PvE so often, so no idea. PvP is okayish, but could be better. However WvW can be a very different experience from day to day. I for myself like to roam the borderlands. Trying to sneak camps and towers can be fun, especially when you start picking up the guys, trying to find you, one by one. I play mostly Mesmer, no PU, if anyone is wondering

The Zerging is not so much fun for me. The roaming is, and learning to avoid main roads and certain situations brings you into the realm of roamers. That almost guarantees you, that you will find some small scale fighting.

EDIT:
And with some experience and watching the map, you can anticipate where the enemy zerg and roaming teams will most likely be. This allows you to choose the kind of engagement you prefer. No hours of walking required.

Darox.8069:

After spending many hours on pvp and pve, where I did everything possible and got bored very fast, I tried WvW.

It’s terrible.

You spend hours simply getting into action, and what action! You have a choice between destroying doors, those don’t don’t really fight back, or go roaming. Roaming is fun, until you encounter the enemy bus at which point your are dead and you have to walk for hours again just to get to play the game.

So PvE is almost non-existent, WvW is terrible, PvP is kind of decent … that’s it?

Depends. I PVE a lot and for the most part it’s like walking in the park, except you get to fight off wildlife. I’ve never been much into PVP

But WvW…

I go through bursts of activity on WvW then just burn out really quickly. When the tournament started I was hardcore-ing it for the first couple weeks but then just burned out and sat out the rest of the tournament. WvW as a concept is great but the way it’s turned out, well, lets just say that it could be vastly better

Battles in EB last night in our match up were a thing of beauty- brilliant open field three way battles between groups bigger than ours. Shame about the lagfest, but it’s the sort of thing that makes wvw worthwhile.

I just find that large scale groups fights are not interesting at all.

If anet could do something to burst zergs I guess wvw could start to become interesting. In fact, what it would require is the building up of fighting fronts where people gain and loose territory instead of those zerging buses.

One way to do this could be to facilitate the movement of players towards areas where there are few of there allies. This would act as an incentive for fun: get faster into battle at the “cost” of not being in a zerg. I think a lot of people would appreciate this.

This could be achieved in a number of ways, for example:
Borrow the concept of lanes and creep waves from mobas like DotA. Make these waves cancel each other in the long term. Add a logistic mob to each wave, this mob sets up outposts where players can teleport. Limit the number of teleports to outposts so that a wave never becomes a zerg.

The biggest issue is that there is no benefit in taking and holding points, whether it be camps, towers or keeps. You get the same points regardless of how high a tier a location is.

Many aspects of WvW can be improved by removing PPT and switching it back to daily points. At daily reset, the scores tick over and the higher level a tower/camp/keep/garrison is, the more points you score. This makes taking and holding territory imperative. I’ve written up some ideas but placed them in their own sections as they’re very long

Disclaimer: all values in the following sections are plucked out of the air

@Azrael .. I like these suggestions; I think they would add to the tactical nature of the game. However, what your suggestions don’t do is change the advantage that coverage overall gives a server. A high population WvW server would still dominate a match-up against a low pop server.

I’ve always wondered why the outmanned buff doesn’t add a ridiculous amount of extra damage output say +200 power/condition damage, and 5 points to score for stomps. That would encourage the low pop servers to develop (or attract) high skill tactics which may not prevent the high pop server ‘winning’ the PPT war but would at least give them (low pop server) high rewards for fighting and stomping.

I’m sure this has been suggested elsewhere..

This Game has 9 playmodes

• s/tPvP

• PvE

• GvG

• WvWvW – Zerg/Blob Warfare. Massive epic battles, keep takes and karma trains

• WvWvW – Roaming/Havoc – Small Grp Fun , <5 Players

• WvWvW – Fight Club – AKA Dueling includes solo roaming

• EoTM – Megaserver WvW tech

• Roleplaying

• PvF – Trollmastership

Take your pick and go have fun.
This game was made for you to dabble in what you like.
DO what makes you happy.

Bloodwort MacFangho.4638:

@Azrael .. I like these suggestions; I think they would add to the tactical nature of the game. However, what your suggestions don’t do is change the advantage that coverage overall gives a server. A high population WvW server would still dominate a match-up against a low pop server.

I’ve always wondered why the outmanned buff doesn’t add a ridiculous amount of extra damage output say +200 power/condition damage, and 5 points to score for stomps. That would encourage the low pop servers to develop (or attract) high skill tactics which may not prevent the high pop server ‘winning’ the PPT war but would at least give them (low pop server) high rewards for fighting and stomping.

I’m sure this has been suggested elsewhere..

High population servers will always have an advantage especially the international servers who have populations spanning NA, EU and Oceania. French servers have always benefited from having access to Canadian players. German servers have it the roughest as even Spanish speaking servers can count on Latin American nations. However, a daily points tick rather than an ongoing 10-15min tick will heavily offset the current imbalance caused by coverage. As EU resets are at 00:00 UTC, and American time is between UTC-5 and UTC-7, NA evening players on EU servers will be overlapped with Oceania morning players on UTC+7 through UTC+9. However, whatever grounds NA and Oceania players make during their hours of operation can be undone and offset by the larger numbers of EU players when they come online.

So in that sense I think that although high populations servers will still have an advantage in numbers, EU servers with non EU players can’t always count on coverage to give them the advantage.

Fuzzion.2504:

This Game has 9 playmodes

• s/tPvP

• PvE

• GvG

• WvWvW – Zerg/Blob Warfare. Massive epic battles, keep takes and karma trains

• WvWvW – Roaming/Havoc – Small Grp Fun , <5 Players

• WvWvW – Fight Club – AKA Dueling includes solo roaming

• EoTM – Megaserver WvW tech

• Roleplaying

• PvF – Trollmastership

Take your pick and go have fun.
This game was made for you to dabble in what you like.
DO what makes you happy.

Those aren’t even actual game modes. There is WvW, s/tPvP, PvE. Make an entire arena where you can GvG, than you can call that a game mode etc. Lol at anyone implying WvW is actually good in its current state.

Port to an enemy BL, head to south camp or just north of the south camp near the flag. Most mid-tier and higher servers have plenty of fights around there that are fun.

As for getting hit by the bus, that is part of what makes WvW different than sPvP. Roaming builds are generally built to have some form of escape… that is what makes WvW more dynamic than sPvP. Players have to account for a variety of ever changing combat conditions.

Waffler.1257:

Darox.8069:

you have to walk for hours again just to get to play the game.

Most people that play WvW make their characters run instead of walk, then it only takes a few minutes to get across the map.

L O L
Seriously though OP, you’re best option is to join a wvw guild. Changes the whole experience for the better
For a lot of ppl that play wvw, it’s all about their guild/guildmates. The mode itself can be fun, but wvw is too broken to fully enjoy it w/o the guild aspect.

This Game has 9 playmodes

• GvG
• WvWvW – Fight Club -

Anet has made it clear that these 2 ‘game modes’ are not supported by them in the least. Try at your own risk lol

• Roleplaying

Roleplaying has been all but destroyed by megaserver

Fuzzion.2504:

Take your pick and go have fun.
This game was made for you to dabble in what you like.

but, don’t expect to receive balanced rewards for each ‘gamemode’
WvW is an absolute blast. You really should try a dedicated WvW Guild before giving up on it altogether.
I started this game pve, beat it in 3 months & was about to quit gw2 out of boredom. Then I entered wvw. . . . It is now almost 2 years later

Darox.8069:

Yeah of course I run :p

So I see no real answer? I guess that was to be expected!

Real answer: WvW is freaking amazing when done right. Get on your server’s TS and you’ll be able to hear the strategy behind each and every decision. Get good enough, buy a commander tag, and maybe, just maybe, you can lead the Zerg yourself. (If your server isn’t really high tier, that may be part of your problem. Maybe consider transferring to gold league.)

PvP has been freaking fun since day one. Granted there have been and continue to be a series of balance issues, but I’ve seen far worse in other mmo’s. All in all this game’ spvp is kicking butt and the recent rewards are just icing on the cake. I hope to see capture the flag in the near future.

There is so much to do in PvE, I just can’t take you seriously. You can do freaking anything dude. Jumping puzzles, (I don’t care who you are, those are dang fun) dungeons, unlock temples, world bosses, (crazy awesome stuff right there) or merely roam around discovering the beautiful world that’s been created. Oh, and by the way there’s this thing called the living story that’s about to be permanent. You might try hopping on that bandwagon too.

Punk, please. If you’re bored, this isn’t the game for you.

Lol hop on TS or whatever comms your sever use find a good commander that you like to fallow boom…bags

Naz.2607:

Waffler.1257:

Darox.8069:

you have to walk for hours again just to get to play the game.

Most people that play WvW make their characters run instead of walk, then it only takes a few minutes to get across the map.

L O L
Seriously though OP, you’re best option is to join a wvw guild. Changes the whole experience for the better
For a lot of ppl that play wvw, it’s all about their guild/guildmates. The mode itself can be fun, but wvw is too broken to fully enjoy it w/o the guild aspect.

This Game has 9 playmodes

• GvG
• WvWvW – Fight Club -

Anet has made it clear that these 2 ‘game modes’ are not supported by them in the least. Try at your own risk lol

• Roleplaying

Roleplaying has been all but destroyed by megaserver

Fuzzion.2504:

Take your pick and go have fun.
This game was made for you to dabble in what you like.

but, don’t expect to receive balanced rewards for each ‘gamemode’
WvW is an absolute blast. You really should try a dedicated WvW Guild before giving up on it altogether.
I started this game pve, beat it in 3 months & was about to quit gw2 out of boredom. Then I entered wvw. . . . It is now almost 2 years later

Naz pls.. OS arena acknowledged and verified GvG and Dueling.

Banzie.5248:

Naz pls.. OS arena acknowledged and verified GvG and Dueling.

um Karn plz, only cuz of ‘what went down’ & you know it ;P

Naz.2607:

Banzie.5248:

Naz pls.. OS arena acknowledged and verified GvG and Dueling.

um Karn plz, only cuz of ‘what went down’ & you know it ;P

Doesnt matter, it happened!

Fluffball.8307:

ganeshori.6309:

Whoah!!!! Wait just one second!!!!….. You can walk in this game?

If you’re serious: It doesn’t have a default key, if I remember right, but yes.

Nah…I was kidding. I just don’t use the walk feature in these games, hehe.