Guild Wars 2

I like the cross server function of EoTM for smaller servers to get their gameplay out of.

But the current EoTM map is too big, with little focus on defense. Many siege weapons never get used.

How about adding Borderland style map with EoTM mechanics but rewarding kills and defense a bit more.

Now that could be fun.

PvD fans still get their reward from the original EoTM map, while people looking for some large scale three way fights can come to a single EoTM borderland map for that when their server’s WvW population is dead.

umm if you are looking for fights why are you playing on a PvE map?

Jim Hunter.6821:

umm if you are looking for fights why are you playing on a PvE map?

You should try to read the text before giving the usual meaningless WvW about EotM statement

Dayra.7405:

Jim Hunter.6821:

umm if you are looking for fights why are you playing on a PvE map?

You should try to read the text before giving your usual meaningless statement

Oh I read it, I don’t see what would make a new eotm map any different from the other garbage map. Unless you remove all rewards from capping, people will still use it for a karma train rather than fighting.

If you want more fights than you should ask anet to close down EotM and give way better loot for player kills. I bet if precursors dropped from player kills a little more often or they came up with some new skins that you could only get through WvW kills you would see a lot more people fighting.

If the BL map is unchanged it will have the same (low) rewards in EotM-mode as a BL map in WvW-mode. In any case BL isn’t usually considered a PvE map (even if it is a PvD map over 90% of the time)

And already in T3 you do not have enough people in WvW for fights during the day or night. That’s better in EotM-mode (not map).

Glossary of terms:
EotM-mode: matches take 4 hours, teams are composed of all servers with the same color
WvW-mode: matches take 24/7, teams are single servers only
EotM-map: the currently only map available in EotM-mode,
BL-Map: one of the maps available in WvW-mode

WvW-player claim that it’s mostly karma-train on Eotm-map, in fact, in lower tiers it has during the day more fights as WvW, simply because: there are so few enemies in WvW you hardly find them to fight them.

Dayra.7405:

If the BL map is unchanged it will have the same (low) rewards in EotM-mode as a BL map in WvW-mode. In any case BL isn’t usually considered a PvE map (even if it is a PvD map 80% of the time)

And already in T3 you do not have enough people in WvW for fights during the day or night. That’s better in EotM-mode (not map).

Glossary of terms:
EotM-mode: matches take 4 hours, teams are composed of all servers with the same color
WvW-mode: matches take 24/7, teams are single servers only
EotM-map: the currently only map available in EotM-mode,
BL-Map: one of the maps available in WvW-mode

WvW-player claim that it’s mostly karma-train on Eotm-map, in fact, in lower tiers it has during the day more fights as WvW, simply because: there are so few enemies in WvW you hardly find them to fight them.

I play in T7, I can find fights any time of the day. They might not be large fights like during prime time but they are still fights. Hop into eotm right now and see what you find. I guarantee it will be 90% uplevels karma training and actively avoiding fights. You might find a few crappy thieves to kill that think they are good because they farm uplevel PvE players all day, but I wouldn’t even call killing those thieves a fight.

EotM offers no incentive to fight or defend, giving them another map to karma train is pointless. If they want to promote fights they should do it in WvW.

Still the point is: This thread don’t look for fights on eotm-map.
It asked for a BL-map in Eotm-mode, to get more fights.

In any case the will for fight could dominate the will for karma-train, if it would be there.
If YOU start fighting in EotM, you either empty the map or you get fights

This week in EU guilds on red and blue server could be very funny in EotM.
20 ppl guilds groups farming the 100 ppl green blob, that outman red and blue 100% of the time.

Dayra.7405:

Still the point is: This thread don’t look for fights on eotm-map.
It asked for a BL-map in Eotm-mode, to get more fights.

The point is it wouldn’t be any different. It’s just wasting more time on eotm that the devs should be spending on WvW.

Jim Hunter.6821:

Dayra.7405:

Still the point is: This thread don’t look for fights on eotm-map.
It asked for a BL-map in Eotm-mode, to get more fights.

The point is it wouldn’t be any different. It’s just wasting more time on eotm that the devs should be spending on WvW.

24/7 matches with fixed capacity where a bad idea from the beginning, but as long as people could maintain the illusion of a competition it worked.

But WvW died in 2014, 24/7 competition is widely recognized as illusion that can never work, spending time on it is a waste.

Dayra.7405:

Jim Hunter.6821:

Dayra.7405:

Still the point is: This thread don’t look for fights on eotm-map.
It asked for a BL-map in Eotm-mode, to get more fights.

The point is it wouldn’t be any different. It’s just wasting more time on eotm that the devs should be spending on WvW.

24/7 matches with fixed capacity where a bad idea from the beginning, but as long as people could maintain the illusion of a competition it worked.

But WvW died in 2014, 24/7 competition is widely recognized as illusion that can never work, spending time on it is a waste.

It’s really not, they just need to adjust the scoring system and add a floating cap for the amount of players allowed in to WvW to keep the matches competitive…. of course that would mean they need to assign some people to work on WvW so it is unlikely we will see that happening anytime soon.

Jim Hunter.6821:

they just need to adjust the scoring system and add a floating cap for the amount of players allowed in to WvW to keep the matches competitive…. of course that would mean they need to assign some people to work on WvW so it is unlikely we will see that happening anytime soon.

No it would not be enough. It took a while to notice it, but WVW-matches were never decided by fights, it was always nothing else than night/morning/day-PvD that decided matches. Even if you reduce the score advantage from it, it remains: The one with better coverage sits in T3, the one with worser coverage sits in wood. Will not result in 150k score advantage if you adapt scoring, but worser coverage will still be without any chance.

I do think it would be nice to see some more rotation of maps in both WvW and EotM. I would like to see the EotM map in ordinary WvW mode, and it could be fun to try both BL and EBG in EotM-mode to see how that worked out.

Regarding Dayra and Jim’s argument here, I agree a bit with both. On the whole I agree that the 24/7 matches won’t work as they stand, but with a complete change of the scoring rules it *could* actually become all about the fights etc. I strongly suspect that the entire game mode need to change at this point.