Guild Wars 2

Anet should have just implemented paid transfers without announcing , because now we have three tier 1 servers that will always stay in tier 1 with the eventual 3rd place going to tier 2 for at least a week.

Anet simply destroyed all hopes for any dead server to be revived in WvW unless of course people pay for xfers.

This announcement of paid transfers says to all guilds to get into a tier 1 server within the time frame for free immediately. Look at Jade Quarry for example. It looks like that server will never let go of first place after this week.

I bet the majority of the guilds who transfered would have stayed in their original server.

So now for WvW to remain popular Anet must have a free transfer week every 1-3 months. No one is going to pay for a transfer unless they are completely desperate for relief, and where will they go? They will go to JQ, BG, or SoS.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Anet should have just implemented paid transfers without announcing

Yup!

…too late now. =(

Agreed. It was very short sighted. However whats done is done and now they will have to support ALL the servers somehow

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Anet should have just implemented paid transfers without announcing

I agree with this statement

My understanding was that they had this planned quite awhile back as a way to “let the players decide which servers would be PvP and which would be PvE based.”

…the least I can say is that I dislike the number of Titanic references this whole ordeal has evoked.

Perhaps like some other MMOs, they may eventually implement free server transfers, once enough folk complain of getting stuck on full servers/overflows/endless queues, but allowing them to only low/medium pop` only servers would be best.

This post assumes everyone who does WvW wants to be on a tier 1 server which is certainly not the case

Fishbait.6723:

Perhaps like some other MMOs, they may eventually implement free server transfers, once enough folk complain of getting stuck on full servers/overflows/endless queues, but allowing them to only low/medium pop` only servers would be best.

They May have already done this. For example how did people get stuck there?? They announced the change, no one was stuck they could have moved for free.

And we haven’t seen the pricing scheme it may be virtually free to move to low pop servers.

Thank you for posting this. Announcing paid transfers and promoting one server in a balanced matchup has ruined WvW for my server. One servers guilds pretty much all left to join the other one in the same matchup, which is now as unbalanced as they come. Its been extremely frustrating.

You do realize if they did that, people would have been furious with having choice being taken away and quit? Allowing people to choose, by informing them, they ensure that there’s no fallout. Sure, it’s created a mess in WvW, but there is a significantly higher pve population that would have been completely outraged if this had been silently implemented.

Raasclart.6719:

This post assumes everyone who does WvW wants to be on a tier 1 server which is certainly not the case

Nailed it.

Jayne.9251:

You do realize if they did that, people would have been furious with having choice being taken away and quit? Allowing people to choose, by informing them, they ensure that there’s no fallout. Sure, it’s created a mess in WvW, but there is a significantly higher pve population that would have been completely outraged if this had been silently implemented.

I agree, it’s pretty much to protect their a$/es. Still it will probably take at least a month, probably 3 until the servers levels out. After the servers get their respective tiers and spot in a couple of weeks, all servers will stagnate for several months.

Maybe when the major w3 update comes out it might have a big enough carrot to get PvE’ers interested and solve the ghost town problem of some servers.

I do not think it matters. Personally, I do not see why people want to move to a higher tier server. The quality of players at higher tiers is not necessarily better than at lower tiers. The main difference is being able to field 24/7 coverage. That also means queues.

In the end this is a game. You can either play it or wait in a queue. Your choice.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

Anet should have just implemented paid transfers without announcing

Yup. In almost every situation this method of change is the best method. “B-B-B-But some of us bandwagoners and spineless wuvwuvers would’ve been stuck on a different server!!!” Good. Should have to pay real money to tuck tail and flee from your server just because it isn’t steamrolling other servers.

You guys understand the massive storm of complaints Anet would have been hit with if they didn’t pre announce? They’d have been accused of trying to make a quick buck by essentially forcing people to pay to transfer. They really put themselves in a tough spot and had no other choice.

Now, if they tweak scoring rules to take into account population & upgrades & defense, and find a way for supporting players to get badges too, and reduce armor repair costs when you are outmanned. Then things will seen a bit brighter.

Lol nobody hears us Liquid. (well one person did, lol)

Jayne.9251:

You do realize if they did that, people would have been furious with having choice being taken away and quit? Allowing people to choose, by informing them, they ensure that there’s no fallout. Sure, it’s created a mess in WvW, but there is a significantly higher pve population that would have been completely outraged if this had been silently implemented.

They’ve had how many months to decide on their server?

terrordrone.1875:

Jayne.9251:

You do realize if they did that, people would have been furious with having choice being taken away and quit? Allowing people to choose, by informing them, they ensure that there’s no fallout. Sure, it’s created a mess in WvW, but there is a significantly higher pve population that would have been completely outraged if this had been silently implemented.

They’ve had how many months to decide on their server?

If something is free there is an expectation for it to continue to be free, unless otherwise announced. To do it without telling people would result in outrage. And that would translate into cancelled accounts. Which in turn would eat into gem store revenue.

Jayne.9251:

terrordrone.1875:

Jayne.9251:

You do realize if they did that, people would have been furious with having choice being taken away and quit? Allowing people to choose, by informing them, they ensure that there’s no fallout. Sure, it’s created a mess in WvW, but there is a significantly higher pve population that would have been completely outraged if this had been silently implemented.

They’ve had how many months to decide on their server?

If something is free there is an expectation for it to continue to be free, unless otherwise announced. To do it without telling people would result in outrage. And that would translate into cancelled accounts. Which in turn would eat into gem store revenue.

No, because server transfers were never meant to be free beyond the “initial phase”.

But hey, what’s done is done. WvW is a cluster**** because of it. Anet should just manually rearrange the tiers and let it roll from there.

terrordrone.1875:

No, because server transfers were never meant to be free beyond the “initial phase”.

Well, they had to keep it free as long as guesting was not up. They stated so themselves. Many players have used free transfers to play with friends and it would be unfair to force players to stay when they may have thought it was a temporary visit.

Jayne.9251:

terrordrone.1875:

Jayne.9251:

You do realize if they did that, people would have been furious with having choice being taken away and quit? Allowing people to choose, by informing them, they ensure that there’s no fallout. Sure, it’s created a mess in WvW, but there is a significantly higher pve population that would have been completely outraged if this had been silently implemented.

They’ve had how many months to decide on their server?

If something is free there is an expectation for it to continue to be free, unless otherwise announced. To do it without telling people would result in outrage. And that would translate into cancelled accounts. Which in turn would eat into gem store revenue.

well they have said from day one that they plan on getting rid of free transfers. so there was no expectation for it to remain free.

Majik.8521:

Jayne.9251:

terrordrone.1875:

Jayne.9251:

You do realize if they did that, people would have been furious with having choice being taken away and quit? Allowing people to choose, by informing them, they ensure that there’s no fallout. Sure, it’s created a mess in WvW, but there is a significantly higher pve population that would have been completely outraged if this had been silently implemented.

They’ve had how many months to decide on their server?

If something is free there is an expectation for it to continue to be free, unless otherwise announced. To do it without telling people would result in outrage. And that would translate into cancelled accounts. Which in turn would eat into gem store revenue.

well they have said from day one that they plan on getting rid of free transfers. so there was no expectation for it to remain free.

Yep, but changing it, without notification is financial suicide.

Jayne.9251:

And that would translate into cancelled accounts.

Ummm, noone can “cancel” their “account”. This is not a subscription based game.

Yeah, Gate of Madness lost A LOT of people. It’s pretty much dead. All the people that I’ve gotten accustomed to are gone now.

Braxxus.2904:

Jayne.9251:

And that would translate into cancelled accounts.

Ummm, noone can “cancel” their “account”. This is not a subscription based game.

You forgot the sentence after the one you quoted.

Jayne.9251:

Braxxus.2904:

Jayne.9251:

And that would translate into cancelled accounts.

Ummm, noone can “cancel” their “account”. This is not a subscription based game.

You forgot the sentence after the one you quoted.

About the gem store?
Pffft, that’s nothing to worry about. People will do that, or they won’t. If a person got upset that they could no longer bandwagon around for wuvwuv I’d wager they’re not a huge gem store income for ANet anyways. Still, it’s not a sub based game so it really doesn’t matter in the long run.

Raasclart.6719:

This post assumes everyone who does WvW wants to be on a tier 1 server which is certainly not the case

No but people like to win. You saw this when there was no penaltys and only a 1 day limit and everyone would swap to the winning server in the middle of every week. This is what has happened in tier 2 now and by the sound of it in tier 1 as well. I’m sure this has happened in some other tiers as well but most definately at the top the fun competition is gone and its nothing more than 1 overpopulated server 1 mid pop server and 1 empty server getting stomped on (that would be us poor folks still on SBI lol)

Imagine the epic rage and tears.

The irony of seeing server hopping guilds getting stuck on a server they thought they were only on for one week. Pure poetry.

Braxxus.2904:

Jayne.9251:

Braxxus.2904:

Jayne.9251:

And that would translate into cancelled accounts.

Ummm, noone can “cancel” their “account”. This is not a subscription based game.

You forgot the sentence after the one you quoted.

About the gem store?
Pffft, that’s nothing to worry about. People will do that, or they won’t. If a person got upset that they could no longer bandwagon around for wuvwuv I’d wager they’re not a huge gem store income for ANet anyways. Still, it’s not a sub based game so it really doesn’t matter in the long run.

Oh I’m not talking about the WvW bandwagoners … I’m talking about the significantly larger pve community …. I think many aren’t realizing they outnumber wvwers and have to be factored in when it comes to announcing/not announcing. To not consider them and only focus on the WvW fallout is a bit short sighted. Folks are rightfully upset about the havoc created by the announcement in wvw but I assure you it would have been much worse if it hadn’t been announced. And would have had greater repercussions over a couple of months of resettling the WvW arena.

You see the problem arose when they didn’t have guesting ready for release. Without that promised feature they had no choice but to offer free transfers instead. Because wvw is such a low priority anyways, they figured they could live with unbalanced wvw until guesting came out and there is no way they were going to cut off free transfers without giving the much larger all pve crowd a heads up. There real hope now is that despite these 3 to 4 awful weeks of wvw, that the glicko system will catch up just in time for the February wvw patch and everyone will forget all about the crappy wvw. Of course this only works if the february patch is a winner.

You can’t just let people transfer for free then suddenly take it away without any warning.

Arenanet did it the way it should have been done.

Straegen.2938:

Porky.5021:

You can’t just let people transfer for free then suddenly take it away without any warning. Arenanet did it the way it should have been done.

They should have given everyone one free server transfer. Then switch to two day matches between servers for a week which would have allowed the servers to settle a bit.

I’d be fine with everyone getting 1 free transfer.

However, they ended standard free transfers the way they should have. Everyone had time to make their decision and go where they wanted.

In effect, everyone did get a free transfer, you just had a little over 1 week to use it.

the way i see it is that they have said many times that they are working on getting rid of free transfers. this means people have had more than enough time to find a server they like.

so if some people got stuck on a server they don’t like because they could not find one in a few months time, or because they were busy server hopping to winning servers, then that isn’t anyones fault but there own. we have had plenty warning that paid transfers were in the works. IMO none of these people would have the right to mad at anyone but themselves.

but now days people would rather blame the game company than to think “hey you know what they told me paid transfers were coming, maybe i should have listened a found a server i like”

I expect ArenaNet to let me know how the service I have paid for (and may continue to pay for) will change.

Anet should have implemented paid transfers right at the start, but tbh I’m kinda glad HoD went thru what it did so we could mould it into what it is today. People should really just develop a sense of server pride and loyalty and work with what they have. A lot of the problems caused were directly or indirectly caused by player impatience and the view that “winning” is the only way to play the game.