Guild Wars 2

I’ve been on CD for maybe a year now through all types of fluctuations and i stay because i love it. It’s home. both my self and my guild even if we are small have poured our hearts into CD. Tonight a blanket statement was made by someone i respect that’s a major voice on CD even if that respect only goes in one direction. That if you don’t use TS than your not an asset because you aren’t really helping. I’m sure a lot of people feel that way. I know its a big help in wvw. But it was really the first time in a year i felt like wow kitten my server.

Even if we were roamers which we aren’t we are a small ops guild of seasoned vets that responds to all major calls from tags and larger guilds for aid. I feel like that’s a pretty big kitten you to people that put in time and effort but don’t use TS. I guess i just needed to vent because if I didn’t i was gonna seethe about it until i moved my entire guild to a new server.

Entirely untrue, imo. Any person who even gains +5 points for taking a camp during a tick helps the server. And honestly, I’ve never gotten crap from a TS except drama and the unfortunate side effect of actually having to hear other people talk. You leave me alone to my music and let a roamer work! xD

If your following a certain commander and are in their squad, I suspect they would very much like you to be in teamspeak if they are using it, not all commanders do especially recent ones who are only interested in the new rewards. Obviously not everyone will be, some commanders like to try to bait out an enemy bomb or do a reverse veil, and if you don’t know they are planning that you’re at a disadvantage compared to the enemies zerg especially when in outnumbered fights. If your not following the commander but on the same map, then no teamspeak isn’t necessary, but it would be helpful to use mapchat to relay information on enemy numbers, location, and wall/gate %, especially now because most servers have map ques.

Duke Dark Hart.1385:

I’ve been on CD for maybe a year now through all types of fluctuations and i stay because i love it. It’s home. both my self and my guild even if we are small have poured our hearts into CD. Tonight a blanket statement was made by someone i respect that’s a major voice on CD even if that respect only goes in one direction. That if you don’t use TS than your not an asset because you aren’t really helping. I’m sure a lot of people feel that way. I know its a big help in wvw. But it was really the first time in a year i felt like wow kitten my server.

Even if we were roamers which we aren’t we are a small ops guild of seasoned vets that responds to all major calls from tags and larger guilds for aid. I feel like that’s a pretty big kitten you to people that put in time and effort but don’t use TS. I guess i just needed to vent because if I didn’t i was gonna seethe about it until i moved my entire guild to a new server.

HAHAHAHAHA hey,

I was Rawrr im a Turtle, are you talking about the commander and his guild who ran from every zerg fight ?

That was a PvE commander if i ever saw one, we took the walls down at Bay just so he could run to hills to take that keep which was owned by a different enemy and they said it was part of there plan ………………………………..

Dude fluffy was making jokes all night and they didnt respond to us after they ran from the tower fight.

Im sorry you were upset and im glad you get to vent. I think i was more in shock after he rallied EBG players to CD already zerg and he took 50+ people to bay 2-3 times and he wiped us each time and he/she with there guild were already half way across the map.

Ive been on CD since Pre Launch and this was a first for me, hilariously frustrating stuff.

If you are following a tag and they are using TS you should join them in TS. I’d rather have a smaller organized group than have a bunch of rally bait pugs kittening up the fights.

If you aren’t on tag do whatever you want. Someone tells you to get in TS because they are to lazy to read scout reports in map chat tell them to go kitten themselves.
(Although I’ve personally been using it more while roaming because the PvE players are constantly spamming team chart with useless kitten.)

I have a 1 year old that I prefer sleeps rather than is up at like 3 am. If the PUGmander can’t handle that, kitten em.

The basic duties of the solo roamer(s) and Small-man teams:
- Be the eyes of the map’s Commander in locations where their zerg is not present.
- Take any and all enemy camps in your vicinity to disrupt enemy supply tains.
- If possible, pick off stragglers or even cut the tail off of the enemy’s zerg. This can sometimes be done simply by running by and causing the less dedicated followers to squirrel after you.
- Kill any and all enemy Dolyaks in your vicinity. Again to disrupt supply chains and delay keep/tower upgrades.
- Reclaim lost friendly camps. To maintain your own flow of supply.
- Eliminate any enemy players that are a threat to said supply flow.

If you think the above is “useless,” then I can’t vouch for your rationality nor reasoning lol. And almost none of these things really requires the use of a Teamspeak.

Jim Hunter.6821:

If you are following a tag and they are using TS you should join them in TS. I’d rather have a smaller organized group than have a bunch of rally bait pugs kittening up the fights.

If you aren’t on tag do whatever you want. Someone tells you to get in TS because they are to lazy to read scout reports in map chat tell them to go kitten themselves.
(Although I’ve personally been using it more while roaming because the PvE players are constantly spamming team chart with useless kitten.)

No No No,

Let me tell you. I am on CD and i believe i was there because i remember someone getting upset about the commander a right hand person saying if you are not in team speak dont talk.

I can tell you literally with 100% conviction nothing could be done. This commander ran from every zerg vs zerg fight. When the enemy zerg just jumps at you and your commander runs everytime.

1/2 the zerg is thinking we fight, 1/4 of the zerg notices that the commander turns into Usain Bolt when he/she sees a enemy and then the rest of the group is like why did no one back us up?

Seriously it was right after we attacked bay.

They set up about 6-8 catas at bay, we have a larg zerg. Those of us on catas took the walls down. The commander literally left us to attack hills and 1/2 the zerg died on the attempt at bay.

I honestly thought the commander was trolling us, they were calling for help from all maps since they have had our Bay on our Home BL for 20 HRS.

After taking hills and a tower the commander did it again when we went for the next tower on the bottom next to bay. The map when dead after this because everyone was tired of being wiped and the commander and his/her guild leaving what ever group is attacking the wall.

Think of Aladdin when Abu grabs the sword and all the guards are like “AHHHHHH he has a sword” then the boss guy goes “you idiots we all have swords” the commander was the 4 guards afraid of the monkey with the sword.

Joining them in TS would of helped nothing

KStudios.2850:

The basic duties of the solo roamer(s) and Small-man teams:
- Be the eyes of the map’s Commander in locations where their zerg is not present.
- Take any and all enemy camps in your vicinity to disrupt enemy supply tains.
- If possible, pick off stragglers or even cut the tail off of the enemy’s zerg. This can sometimes be done simply by running by and causing the less dedicated followers to squirrel after you.
- Kill any and all enemy Dolyaks in your vicinity. Again to disrupt supply chains and delay keep/tower upgrades.
- Reclaim lost friendly camps. To maintain your own flow of supply.
- Eliminate any enemy players that are a threat to said supply flow.

If you think the above is “useless,” then I can’t vouch for your rationality nor reasoning lol. And almost none of these things really requires the use of a Teamspeak.

Cutting the tail is the best part of a roamer/small group… Having a group of 4 thieves just totally F up a zerg because they dont realize they took out half the zerg…unless you are running calvary then zerg busting is totally epic.

Bigpapasmurf.5623:

Cutting the tail is the best part of a roamer/small group… Having a group of 4 thieves just totally F up a zerg because they dont realize they took out half the zerg…unless you are running calvary then zerg busting is totally epic.

A solid well practiced small-man group with good timing and placement (utilization of choke points, terrain, etc) is a devastating thing of beauty on any given map. It’s a brutal instrument of practically surgical precision.

kdaddy.5431:

Jim Hunter.6821:

If you are following a tag and they are using TS you should join them in TS. I’d rather have a smaller organized group than have a bunch of rally bait pugs kittening up the fights.

If you aren’t on tag do whatever you want. Someone tells you to get in TS because they are to lazy to read scout reports in map chat tell them to go kitten themselves.
(Although I’ve personally been using it more while roaming because the PvE players are constantly spamming team chart with useless kitten.)

No No No,

Let me tell you. I am on CD and i believe i was there because i remember someone getting upset about the commander a right hand person saying if you are not in team speak dont talk.

I can tell you literally with 100% conviction nothing could be done. This commander ran from every zerg vs zerg fight. When the enemy zerg just jumps at you and your commander runs everytime.

1/2 the zerg is thinking we fight, 1/4 of the zerg notices that the commander turns into Usain Bolt when he/she sees a enemy and then the rest of the group is like why did no one back us up?

Seriously it was right after we attacked bay.

They set up about 6-8 catas at bay, we have a larg zerg. Those of us on catas took the walls down. The commander literally left us to attack hills and 1/2 the zerg died on the attempt at bay.

I honestly thought the commander was trolling us, they were calling for help from all maps since they have had our Bay on our Home BL for 20 HRS.

After taking hills and a tower the commander did it again when we went for the next tower on the bottom next to bay. The map when dead after this because everyone was tired of being wiped and the commander and his/her guild leaving what ever group is attacking the wall.

Think of Aladdin when Abu grabs the sword and all the guards are like “AHHHHHH he has a sword” then the boss guy goes “you idiots we all have swords” the commander was the 4 guards afraid of the monkey with the sword.

Joining them in TS would of helped nothing

That literally has nothing to do with what I said……. but to play devil’s advocate were you in TS? Maybe the commander was saying things like, “pull back so we can catch them in this choke”, and then the half of your zerg that wasn’t in TS charged into them and got destroyed forcing the commander to run.

No one is saying you have to talk in TS but if the commander is using it to drive the zerg you should hop in and listen or go do your own thing. The only good excuse for not doing so is if you are hearing impaired.

So I’m from other games where we had to use voice chat for mass pvp,
In Aion Online the lead guild’s TS3 server was open to everyone to join for when we were doing big movements, and we had alot of drama around this.

We had a rule at one point, that if you wern’t in TS3, any rewards that were distributed by the raid menu leaders – you were opted out of. They did call-outs in TS3 to make sure you were there, and it was a nightmare.

TS3 for one, used up alot of bandwidth that our now primary app for the newer generation, discord does not.

Even if people are spamming chat with image and video links in discord, it still barely uses as much as TS3 did for MANY people.

If someone is still stuck in the old ways, to punish or lash out for how they are doing – maybe they should learn the R-E-L-A-Y SYSTEM. What commander says in voice is typed by a person that does not fight but instead just R-E-L-A-YS what the commander is saying in voice to the squad/map/team chat.

It is not hard, it is not difficult. You just type as the commander speaks.
All it requires is fast typing skills.

If the parties caused you to feel upset or disgruntled though, I would suggest saying something to them about it. Like a “hey you caused me to feel very upset over this remark, I know it wasn’t aimed at me specifically, but I took offense to it. It was kind of a low blow because many of us were trying to help.”

TS is not a requirement for effectively contributing to WvW. As a matter of fact a lot of people, myself included, do not join TS because of all the side effects that come with joining a public place like that. Screaming, producing all kinds of bodily noises, publicly sharing personal sexual fantasies, picking fights with other people on TS… No thank you.

In time every WvW player can learn how to play without using TS and rely only on map and team chat as well as the map itself. Essentially the only thing you will be doing if you follow a tag is to stick to it. No special philosophy involved there that would require explaining over TS.

holodoc.5748:

TS is not a requirement for effectively contributing to WvW. As a matter of fact a lot of people, myself included, do not join TS because of all the side effects that come with it. Screaming, producing all kinds of bodily noises, publicly sharing personal sexual fantasies, picking fights with other people on TS… No thank you.

Lol! That moment; when a simple chat system can make you want to scrub your skin off with steel wool, and you still won’t feel clean after doing so. xD

Fluffball.8307:

I have a 1 year old that I prefer sleeps rather than is up at like 3 am. If the PUGmander can’t handle that, kitten em.

headphones exist for a reason. no one is saying you have to talk.

holodoc.5748:

TS is not a requirement for effectively contributing to WvW. As a matter of fact a lot of people, myself included, do not join TS because of all the side effects that come with joining a public place like that. Screaming, producing all kinds of bodily noises, publicly sharing personal sexual fantasies, picking fights with other people on TS… No thank you.

what kind of weird as server are you on….

henchmen.1856:

Fluffball.8307:

I have a 1 year old that I prefer sleeps rather than is up at like 3 am. If the PUGmander can’t handle that, kitten em.

headphones exist for a reason. no one is saying you have to talk.

holodoc.5748:

TS is not a requirement for effectively contributing to WvW. As a matter of fact a lot of people, myself included, do not join TS because of all the side effects that come with joining a public place like that. Screaming, producing all kinds of bodily noises, publicly sharing personal sexual fantasies, picking fights with other people on TS… No thank you.

what kind of weird as server are you on….

Since launch I’ve played on a lot of servers, top/mid/low tiers on both NA/EU. Always the same story.

I forgot to mention that by far the worst offender has to be the fact that for some people it’s far likely that they’ll get a legendary drop than learn how to use “push to talk” instead of “voice activation”.

Well, to be honest, if you’re following the tag, the correct thing to do is to join their teamspeak server if they’re advertising one. Otherwise, get off that particular tag and follow someone else, or put up a tag yourself.

This post is childish. It really doesn’t matter how you want to command but what I feel does matter is the team work between commanders. I do not join TS with other commanders because I’m sick of hearing the big egos and brown nosers with the brain dead drugged up people that cant say one sentence with out cursing.

If I don’t matter then so be it. I’ll lead the people that you think do not matter. And you can have all those people that think oh so highly of themselves.

The worst is when they require you to have a mic. I mean come on! Not everyone can use a mic all the time. I kid you not, someone actually kicked me from their channel because I didn’t have a mic. That’s just a new level of elitism. This guy also had no problem calling out and deliberately trying to belittle players who were struggling in an outnumbered fight against a condi zerg. By far the most arrogant, inconsiderate commander I’ve ever encountered, and I’ve encountered some pretty awful ones.

Reverence.6915:

Well, to be honest, if you’re following the tag, the correct thing to do is to join their teamspeak server if they’re advertising one. Otherwise, get off that particular tag and follow someone else, or put up a tag yourself.

There is no “correct” thing to do. If you are following an open tag (usually blue) then you are not obliged to do anything. TS is a courtesy on both sides, the one providing it and the one choosing to use it or not. However it’s by no means a required tool to play WvW efficiently or successfully.

You mean Crystal Desert is using Teamspeak, not Discord? After Discord I couldn’t go back to TS.

Anyway, if you can’t hear the calls, you can’t follow them and you can’t know what your commander is trying to do… You aren’t playing as a team anymore, even if you want to. You can guess it sometimes, but not always. For more complex movements you will be lagging behind, and that really means being useless in many situations. I’m sorry, but it is true.

Even if you can hear the calls, but can’t react fast enough, you aren’t useful in that action. I wouldn’t be either, and I’m no newbie. It’s almost like in those western movies: you got to be quicker or you are dead. Your team can’t be if your commander has to type the command, delay on reading it, that window of opportunity gone. Now if all of you played a long time together, you all very good, you may react instantly and together, and calls aren’t even needed — but you aren’t Delta Force level yet, very likely (and even them are using signals so it’s that). Bunch of random player can’t have that coordination without a good enough commanding on voice chat and good enough player to react fast to calls. Otherwise the other team, the one having that coordination — will always win. In such a team those who are lagging behind, or not participating in that specific action (not knowing what the others are doing, and believe me, you can’t guess it, I can’t guess it, and I’m no newb), as you said “don’t matter”.

Yes, TS is pretty key. If you are not on TS and you are with a big tag, there is even a chance you will help your enemy by dying so the enemies will rally on your corpse.

None is forcing anyone to anything. You do not have to speak if you are shy. But listening helps a lot, and not just you.

Tiawal.2351:

Anyway, if you can’t hear the calls, you can’t follow them and you can’t know what your commander is trying to do… You aren’t playing as a team anymore, even if you want to. You can guess it sometimes, but not always. For more complex movements you will be lagging behind, and that really means being useless in many situations. I’m sorry, but it is true.

WvW doesn’t have an infinite number of moves or tactics. You can learn to predict every commander’s move in a matter of months, let alone if you have been playing longer. For GvGs fine, TS is kind of a necessity because orders need to be rather specific. For PUGs however it’s not that important, even if you are a new player.

And one more thing. Gear is far more important than TS for WvW yet when was the last time you saw commanders asking for gear check in WvW? Yes, all those magic find leechers…

Option 1 → listen to Hendrix, Santana, Clapton, Stevie Ray & B.B. King

Option 2 → listen to a somebody scream & curse at people

Hello iTunes, good bye TS.

Well you dont need to be in ts always, just sometimes.

Be in ts when:

• your server just lost a fight that could be won with teamspeak.
• the commander actually commands, doesnt make strange noises etc in ts.
• youre about to attack enemy upgraded keep and have to have fast reactions
• at reset, primetime and weekend

When you dont have to be in teamspeak:

• Youre roaming, means you only go to commander to defend important objectives like stonemist. (you dont leech commander siege). You still have to give scout reports on mapchat if you see enemy zerg.
• Its k-train or too easy. There is no proper fights, just freecap and 1-push enemy. However you have to join when enemy shows up.

Jaina Ashlynn.1043:

Option 1 -> listen to Hendrix, Santana, Clapton, Stevie Ray & B.B. King

Option 2 -> listen to a somebody scream & curse at people

Hello iTunes, good bye TS.

Welll TS > gw2 guild systems (chat rooms) that’s for sure.. for fast comunication, but due how or what is required to play this game all that players need is to play some dumb aoe gimmick spam at range, just stick to the tag even if u are not in the squad, while listen some music … meh its gw2… its not a serious pvp game after all.

I do not care if I matter or not. The only meaning of my game is MY fun. It´s a GAME kitten , not a Work.

Jaina Ashlynn.1043:

Option 1 -> listen to Hendrix, Santana, Clapton, Stevie Ray & B.B. King

Option 2 -> listen to a somebody scream & curse at people

Hello iTunes, good bye TS.

+1 on the music choices.
Still though, if you are on tag and actually getting in fights you could just mute everyone except the commander and still listen to music.

Magira.6390:

I do not care if I matter or not. The only meaning of my game is MY fun. It´s a GAME kitten , not a Work.

Lionwait.4815:

This post is childish. It really doesn’t matter how you want to command but what I feel does matter is the team work between commanders. I do not join TS with other commanders because I’m sick of hearing the big egos and brown nosers with the brain dead drugged up people that cant say one sentence with out cursing.

If I don’t matter then so be it. I’ll lead the people that you think do not matter. And you can have all those people that think oh so highly of themselves.

You clearly read only the title and not the post that said the OP is AGAINST this type of behavior. I bet you click on all of the click-baity news articles. Did you know you’re the 1000th person to post in GW2 today? Message me in game to receive a prize. I assure you that I am a Nigerian Prince.

Most people following a tag would benefit from being in TS. But then again, most people following a tag could learn what positioning is too.

Personally I cannot, for personal reasons (that my guild know about) log into TS. I would love it if I could. Does it make me slightly less effective as a support/healer ele? Probably a little- but then I used to monk in GW1 so the habit of watching the HP bars hasn’t left me, and if you know enough about the game you know when to throw that water field without being told..and after a while the comm will know it will be there without having to ask for it in TS.

The bigger problem is people leaving their brains behind when they enter wvw.

I am on one of the paired servers for CD. We tend to be on our own TS when in WvW since we often break off to take camps, provide distraction or assist in other ways. But when we are following another commander we closely watch the chat and what the commander is doing. We try to be as observant as possible and provide as much support as we can for the commander.

If you are not on TS for whatever reason then it is your obligation to not just blindly go where mob is going. There is a lot of information out there even without using TS. You have to watch what is going on around you, what the commander is doing and what is being said in chat. I have one chat channel that I label ALL because it has map, local, whisper, team, squad, party chats so I can see everything that is being said. Know where your position should be in the zerg and know your class and what it does within a zerg and where it should be in relation to the commander. Stick to the commander instead of squirreling off to get that one lone roamer just for a bag. The only thing I ask of commanders is if we need to waypoint that it gets linked in chat. If the commander knows what he is doing and you pay attention you can follow quite easily without TS but I also highly recommend TS since it does help to follow the commander especially if you are new to WvW. I realize that often in TS emotions get high and things get said – but things like that can really turn new folk away. We work to keep our TS channel civil and respectful even when things get exciting.

henchmen.1856:

Fluffball.8307:

I have a 1 year old that I prefer sleeps rather than is up at like 3 am. If the PUGmander can’t handle that, kitten em.

headphones exist for a reason. no one is saying you have to talk.

The way my computer is set up it’s not possible without buying wireless headphones. I’m all for organization, but I’m not spending 50 bucks on this. At some point you have to say “this is a kitten game”.

Jaina Ashlynn.1043:

Option 1 -> listen to Hendrix, Santana, Clapton, Stevie Ray & B.B. King

Option 2 -> listen to a somebody scream & curse at people

Hello iTunes, good bye TS.

In a stunning display of my own brain being left on autopilot, when i read option 1 my first thought was “they’re weighing in on this topic???”

I’ll try logging into TS, Discord, whatever when the WvW PvP community finally starts policing their own and boots the trolling, trash talking, gutter spewing, terrible examples of humanity that constantly ruin /everything/ that is online gaming.

Until then, I’ll treat this as the /game/ it is rather then the second job some people want to make it.

Not all voice channels are the same. You just have to learn how a specific channel operates.

As for TS vs discord? When discord can support ccoms, it will be the goto. Until then, it doesn’t have feature parity.

I just asked my mom and she said that I matter.

I’m running my music player in background, adjust volume for each, there’s a mixer too for Operating System level. Discord has options to adjust volume for each player or even mute. GW2 can run without music if you want yours. You can have all those 3, adjust volume so you can hear all, as you wish. Don’t follow commanders who talk in ways you don’t like, find a group that you like…

You can’t compete and win as a group, if you fight a group with good coordination, unless your group is better – then you don’t need any coordination, since you already have better “coordination”… because no amount of words can make a group play over their own level, though inspiring and motivating can do wonders. But OP situation is not such a case, and groups that need no leader or driver in order to excel are the exception.

Want to have “fun” and listen music in peace? Do that. Play alone, play your own way. But unless you can guess & follow what the group leader wants in a group you are “following”, you better listen to calls…

While that statement was hyperbolic, self-centered and emotional, not being in TS can be disadvantageous if you’re running with a group. If you are not, then that seems to be an egotistical tantrum. But chances are it isn’t directed it at you.

Sure, you may be good enough to stick a rubberband to the tag but you will have trouble if they want to do more advanced stuff like fakeouts and stuff.

Even something as simply as empowering can be off sync if you’re not on TS because there’s reaction times. Maybe the commander themselves are flawed and call for it too early, but you rightfully think it is… and then they sometimes dash out without buffing. What do you do? You’re already 600 range behind and have to change tactics.

There are other things like say, dropping a battle standard. Calling it out means other warriors don’t have to drop it. There’s no guessing involved.

Obviously you can still run without TS and be effective, but if your group ends up struggling, consider if you could have done more. And problem is sometimes you aren’t as good as you think. In those cases you become a liability. There are certainly many reasons to not be on TS, such as simply not willing to work with that group, or the people are too distracting. But that shouldn’t be the standard case.

A group that fights as one will have an inherent advantage over a group that doesn’t, even if the later has more raw skill. The worst thing that can happen is discord (not the program)

In the old days, a commander would map switch to throw off an outrageous pug following that wasn’t in TS. Now a days ques make that hard to do, so what is perceived as sissiness could very well be business as usual. If you are a pug that insists on following a tag but don’t want to follow the tags rules as silly as they may seem to you, then you have 1 of 3 options.
1) Join TS then mute everyone.
2) Don’t join TS or the squad, but follow anyway at the back of the line.
3) Do your own thing.

As far as what you could expect to hear in TS, map chat and team chat is usually a good indicator of the seriousness, silliness or vulgarness you’ll encounter.

Unless you are a very specific class, like Mesmer, where a comm may call out a portal/veil/etc, TS is not needed by most WvW knowledgeable people. You stick to the tag, be map aware, etc.

I have never been ‘forced’ into TS, and rarely do i go in as it is 99.9% of the time people yapping/laughing/etc about non=game stuff anyway, which i have no interest in. 75% of the time is talk about childish/teenage crap i can live without. I do jump in though when on a Mez if we have to coordinate veils/portals (both of which are rarely even used anymore anyway) or quickness coordinate.

I can see TS being helpful for the new WvW folks though, which can be talk through different things that they have not experienced. But for vets, TS is mainly only useful for shooting the ‘bleep’ anyway…

kdaddy.5431:

Duke Dark Hart.1385:

I’ve been on CD for maybe a year now through all types of fluctuations and i stay because i love it. It’s home. both my self and my guild even if we are small have poured our hearts into CD. Tonight a blanket statement was made by someone i respect that’s a major voice on CD even if that respect only goes in one direction. That if you don’t use TS than your not an asset because you aren’t really helping. I’m sure a lot of people feel that way. I know its a big help in wvw. But it was really the first time in a year i felt like wow kitten my server.

Even if we were roamers which we aren’t we are a small ops guild of seasoned vets that responds to all major calls from tags and larger guilds for aid. I feel like that’s a pretty big kitten you to people that put in time and effort but don’t use TS. I guess i just needed to vent because if I didn’t i was gonna seethe about it until i moved my entire guild to a new server.

HAHAHAHAHA hey,

I was Rawrr im a Turtle, are you talking about the commander and his guild who ran from every zerg fight ?

That was a PvE commander if i ever saw one, we took the walls down at Bay just so he could run to hills to take that keep which was owned by a different enemy and they said it was part of there plan ………………………………..

Dude fluffy was making jokes all night and they didnt respond to us after they ran from the tower fight.

Im sorry you were upset and im glad you get to vent. I think i was more in shock after he rallied EBG players to CD already zerg and he took 50+ people to bay 2-3 times and he wiped us each time and he/she with there guild were already half way across the map.

Ive been on CD since Pre Launch and this was a first for me, hilariously frustrating stuff.

LOL

Honestly, taking away the fact that people probably felt frustrated with such commander, it was one of the most hilarious thing I’ve seen happen on CD.

I was roaming, giving zerg positions on map chat and keeping Briar’s wall damaged throughout the night and would occasionally join said tag just to see the tag make a turn and leave his peeps to die in any sort of fight/encounter they would have. I was imagining he on TS saying something like: ZERG! RUN! SAVE YOURSELVES! Do not fight, ruuuuuuuuuuuuun

Funniest thing is that said comm would only communicate in team chat to auto promote himself to try to look good to make up for the people who left his squad because of his ways and nag about TS.

Oh, by the way, I was there when he left Bay for Hills. I had a gigantic question mark above my head, asking why would he leave bay to hit undefended paper hills which anyone can flip, he don’t need 40 for that and so jeopardize pretty much the best chance we had to take bay back.

Hey OP, just laugh and ignore. Keep up with your gameplay, you have been doing it for an year. Take it as one of those funny things that happens once in a while, don’t take it personally.

Small group of people behind closed doors proclaiming themselves more important than those outside it? That’s nothing new.

It should be alarming to those not familiar with the phenomenon, but otherwise its just another facet of humanity.

They obviously just don’t know or bother to figure out the contributions of anyone outside of their teamspeak. Which is pretty sad tbh given how small teamspeaks are compared to the server size at any given moment.

All you can really say is….it goes both ways! You’ll have plenty more people thinking ill things of them than they can’t think of other people. Humans can really suck when it comes to group dynamics more often than naught.

INcompetents are supported unconditionally by the group mentality. A newcomer who knows everything and can do things better doesn’t get to automatically become leader….

But if you really think about it….they should get to be leader.
ONLY THE STRONGEST SHALL RULE MANDALORE!

Rashagar.8349:

Jaina Ashlynn.1043:

Option 1 -> listen to Hendrix, Santana, Clapton, Stevie Ray & B.B. King

Option 2 -> listen to a somebody scream & curse at people

Hello iTunes, good bye TS.

In a stunning display of my own brain being left on autopilot, when i read option 1 my first thought was “they’re weighing in on this topic???”

Decaf does that kinda thing to me. Guess I should have flagged that as my guitar/blues playlist.

Jim Hunter.6821:

kdaddy.5431:

Jim Hunter.6821:

If you are following a tag and they are using TS you should join them in TS. I’d rather have a smaller organized group than have a bunch of rally bait pugs kittening up the fights.

If you aren’t on tag do whatever you want. Someone tells you to get in TS because they are to lazy to read scout reports in map chat tell them to go kitten themselves.
(Although I’ve personally been using it more while roaming because the PvE players are constantly spamming team chart with useless kitten.)

No No No,

Let me tell you. I am on CD and i believe i was there because i remember someone getting upset about the commander a right hand person saying if you are not in team speak dont talk.

I can tell you literally with 100% conviction nothing could be done. This commander ran from every zerg vs zerg fight. When the enemy zerg just jumps at you and your commander runs everytime.

1/2 the zerg is thinking we fight, 1/4 of the zerg notices that the commander turns into Usain Bolt when he/she sees a enemy and then the rest of the group is like why did no one back us up?

Seriously it was right after we attacked bay.

They set up about 6-8 catas at bay, we have a larg zerg. Those of us on catas took the walls down. The commander literally left us to attack hills and 1/2 the zerg died on the attempt at bay.

I honestly thought the commander was trolling us, they were calling for help from all maps since they have had our Bay on our Home BL for 20 HRS.

After taking hills and a tower the commander did it again when we went for the next tower on the bottom next to bay. The map when dead after this because everyone was tired of being wiped and the commander and his/her guild leaving what ever group is attacking the wall.

Think of Aladdin when Abu grabs the sword and all the guards are like “AHHHHHH he has a sword” then the boss guy goes “you idiots we all have swords” the commander was the 4 guards afraid of the monkey with the sword.

Joining them in TS would of helped nothing

That literally has nothing to do with what I said……. but to play devil’s advocate were you in TS? Maybe the commander was saying things like, “pull back so we can catch them in this choke”, and then the half of your zerg that wasn’t in TS charged into them and got destroyed forcing the commander to run.

No one is saying you have to talk in TS but if the commander is using it to drive the zerg you should hop in and listen or go do your own thing. The only good excuse for not doing so is if you are hearing impaired.

I was just commenting on that first line of if your with a tag you should join your TS.

Also no, this commander jumped BL and i got it from whispers that this commander died in every fight which is why they jumped maps. Having his/her guild mates follow with the pug/roamers on the map now with a tag to follow.

I was whispered twice to take over the tag and i havent lead a zerg in 2-3 years. (once was from a friend but the other was from a person who knew me back from the olden days) One also asked me to tag up in map chat i think just to annoy the commander.

Im just trying to paint the picture of how bad it was.

azyume.6321:

kdaddy.5431:

Duke Dark Hart.1385:

I’ve been on CD for maybe a year now through all types of fluctuations and i stay because i love it. It’s home. both my self and my guild even if we are small have poured our hearts into CD. Tonight a blanket statement was made by someone i respect that’s a major voice on CD even if that respect only goes in one direction. That if you don’t use TS than your not an asset because you aren’t really helping. I’m sure a lot of people feel that way. I know its a big help in wvw. But it was really the first time in a year i felt like wow kitten my server.

Even if we were roamers which we aren’t we are a small ops guild of seasoned vets that responds to all major calls from tags and larger guilds for aid. I feel like that’s a pretty big kitten you to people that put in time and effort but don’t use TS. I guess i just needed to vent because if I didn’t i was gonna seethe about it until i moved my entire guild to a new server.

HAHAHAHAHA hey,

I was Rawrr im a Turtle, are you talking about the commander and his guild who ran from every zerg fight ?

That was a PvE commander if i ever saw one, we took the walls down at Bay just so he could run to hills to take that keep which was owned by a different enemy and they said it was part of there plan ………………………………..

Dude fluffy was making jokes all night and they didnt respond to us after they ran from the tower fight.

Im sorry you were upset and im glad you get to vent. I think i was more in shock after he rallied EBG players to CD already zerg and he took 50+ people to bay 2-3 times and he wiped us each time and he/she with there guild were already half way across the map.

Ive been on CD since Pre Launch and this was a first for me, hilariously frustrating stuff.

LOL

Honestly, taking away the fact that people probably felt frustrated with such commander, it was one of the most hilarious thing I’ve seen happen on CD.

I was roaming, giving zerg positions on map chat and keeping Briar’s wall damaged throughout the night and would occasionally join said tag just to see the tag make a turn and leave his peeps to die in any sort of fight/encounter they would have. I was imagining he on TS saying something like: ZERG! RUN! SAVE YOURSELVES! Do not fight, ruuuuuuuuuuuuun

Funniest thing is that said comm would only communicate in team chat to auto promote himself to try to look good to make up for the people who left his squad because of his ways and nag about TS.

Oh, by the way, I was there when he left Bay for Hills. I had a gigantic question mark above my head, asking why would he leave bay to hit undefended paper hills which anyone can flip, he don’t need 40 for that and so jeopardize pretty much the best chance we had to take bay back.

Hey OP, just laugh and ignore. Keep up with your gameplay, you have been doing it for an year. Take it as one of those funny things that happens once in a while, don’t take it personally.

LOL were you the one always watching the NC. I tried to help there but literally when that commander went for bay.

I said “2 at NC” and they wrote “screw the north camp get to the tag” boom 1/2 of us are dead.

Like you said we had been trading Hills all night and this commander literally wiped the Zerg 5 times just on the Home map and i was only on for 4hrs. I got whispers and im a bit curious how many times this commander wiped on other maps.

Had something similar on Black Gate last night. Some tosser of a commander was tagged up, and when asked about a squad, people were told it was private.

Now if you want to run a private squad, that’s your perogative, but don’t go tagging up and then refusing entry to your special group of snowflakes. Especially since a lot of those players gravitating to the tag could have been doing something more interesting than following the same tired path of “capture everything where the enemy isn’t”.

I’m putting some practice in so that I will be able to command moderately well, so that if some self important bell end does that again, I’ll be able to group up people that want to play the game without referring to some kind of egotistical, self serving “pro pvp” guild.

Duke Dark Hart.1385:

I’ve been on CD for maybe a year now through all types of fluctuations and i stay because i love it. It’s home. both my self and my guild even if we are small have poured our hearts into CD. Tonight a blanket statement was made by someone i respect that’s a major voice on CD even if that respect only goes in one direction. That if you don’t use TS than your not an asset because you aren’t really helping. I’m sure a lot of people feel that way. I know its a big help in wvw. But it was really the first time in a year i felt like wow kitten my server.

Even if we were roamers which we aren’t we are a small ops guild of seasoned vets that responds to all major calls from tags and larger guilds for aid. I feel like that’s a pretty big kitten you to people that put in time and effort but don’t use TS. I guess i just needed to vent because if I didn’t i was gonna seethe about it until i moved my entire guild to a new server.

Not all raids, commanders run the same all the time. I prefer TS but sometimes I do some solo roaming or just following a dorito for nothing except some misc kills and stuff, so I do understand your points.

However, when your raid gets more serious and wants to actually start winning fights more consistantly, voice comms are absolutely necessary. The speed of communications and player response wins or loses fights, everything from positioning, ability call outs, DPS and sustain bombs is vital to be executed as fast as casting times / positioning allow.

Can you imagine being a commander and pushing in leading people and have to stop to type stuff out mid combat and what its like ? Give it a try, buy a tag, tag up see how it goes for you. Then you’ll understand the other side.

Incidentally, it could be way worse. You could be doing a PVE raid where not just TS is required but several add-ons, full API key, gear exactly and precisely down to every single item where you can’t even change a single infusion or sigil, etc.

Wow! It’s so great to see that other people are having negative impressions of TS requirements by squad commanders! I thought I was all alone! One commander’s TS requirement made me hate this game earlier today, and I literally was in tears at the end of it. Let me tell you my experience today:

I was on BG in EB all day Sunday. I was in full ascended guard gear with Bifrost and ascended greatsword playing a balanced (no, not a glass cannon) meta type build. I played for about three hours. I saw 3 commanders come and go, all without incident. No one criticized my play or build. I did not speak at all for the whole 3 hrs. I did my job, I killed, I healed others, I carried 25 supply, I rarely died (unless tagged at rear while trying to heal/save/speed others), I wore boosters and food and maint oil, I got and gave protections and everything was fine. It was like that for me all week long. Nice play. Quiet play. Mutually helpful play w/ good commanders. I am a dedicated wvw player and have been in wvw since beta. I am also respectful and kind to everyone, unless they are rude to me first. Then I am patient, but if it persists, I fight back and can get nasty too, though I don’t like to, cuz it upsets me and I’m here to play a game I love, the way it was intended to be played, and to not bother anyone.

So, I was in the same squad in EB all day. About 3 hrs and 3 commanders in, a new commander comes on. He boots me instantly. I don’t know why. I ask for an invite please. He announces TS only. I tell him I can’t. He says no entry into the same squad I’ve been in all day. There is no other commander. There is no other zerg. There is a que. The squad wasn’t full and never got full. I guess he decided for me that I was supposed to run around solo I guess, but I had already rolled my guard, and was not set for a solo roamer build. I don’t like running havoc groups that much, and prefer to run with the zerg and commander. I cant afford to be a commander myself.

I don’t see what difference it would have made to anything or anyone if I had been in the group. Its not like I was foiling any plans – I just follow the commander, which is what people were telling me to do anyway, without a squad – so its the exact same thing – run alongside the zerg without TS – only I don’t get any protections or buffs/rewards. So, how is having me run solo and getting picked off, especially when I have a zerg build, help anyone or BG at all? If I keep dying solo, how does that help anyone or BG – it certainly doesn’t hurt anyone, except our server, and me. How does it help or hurt anyone if I am in the zerg, especially if the recommendation is to run alongside it anyway w/o TS. I’m doing the same thing either way and the zerg is getting my same help or hindrance (for those of you who I know will now say, no matter what, that I’m a pver or I died a lot or whatever stupid lies or make-believe you will say) either way. So why the elitist bs? Why humiliate me?

The game advertising says, join us in wvw where you can run with a zerg squad led by a commander and you will have fun – come have fun with us in this game mode. There is no requirement on the box that says TS is required to play one of the game modes in the manner it is intended to be played and the manner in which it is advertised. However, despite paying my money like everyone else, I didn’t get to enjoy the same game play everyone else did for more than 2 hrs of Sunday play.

The commander booted me and said I couldn’t join. I pm’ed him and told him I was deaf, and cannot use TS. This was humiliating for me to have to convey this personal information to him, and to all of you, but I am hopeful now that by doing so now, some changes will occur to the TS requirement. It didn’t matter to him at all. In any event, he told me to join TS anyway and to just “pretend” to be listening. How humiliating and demoralizing. I feel like my nose just got rubbed in my own disability even further than real life does it. People can just be really mean sometimes.

When I protested his decision in team chat and asked to be reinvited to the same squad I had been in all day, I was personally attacked in escalating fashion for being disabled, for complaining, and for calling out the rudeness of the boot. People attacked me, and attacked my disability with as much insensitivity as I’ve ever seen in a game. So much for the “kind”, fun, casual community on GW2. Hardly anyone supported me, calling me a troll and a complainer because I kept it up. However, I was very upset. I actually starting crying after about an hour’s rant in team chat against the commander who booted me and all of the gross support he received from players. I got nasty pms about my complaints and my disability, and the commander got support for elitist, discriminatory, entitled, and insensitive, mean, and unkind behavior that was unnecessary, unwarranted, and in the end, meaningless (since my solo roaming caused more damage to BG than if I had run in the zerg, and since I ran alongside it in the same manner I would have if I had been in the squad, nothing was gained or lost by the squad or commander at all – only I suffered the loss and the added humiliation. People wanted me to shut up, so they could enjoy their game play, but not one of them gave two figs that my game play experience had been ruined. I was just supposed to be booted to the curb and then shut up so they could all have fun in peace, when all I wanted was the exact same thing.

People on this game and irl seem to have lost all empathy and sensitivity and kindness. I don’t know what’s wrong with the world anymore – manners and empathy cure a lot. It would be nice if these snotty paramilitary types would get over themselves and give people a hand and a hug once in awhile.

Please no more elitist, discriminatory, demoralizing and anti-GW2 TS mandatory exclusionary requirements anymore ever!

Jim Hunter.6821:

kdaddy.5431:

Jim Hunter.6821:

If you are following a tag and they are using TS you should join them in TS. I’d rather have a smaller organized group than have a bunch of rally bait pugs kittening up the fights.

If you aren’t on tag do whatever you want. Someone tells you to get in TS because they are to lazy to read scout reports in map chat tell them to go kitten themselves.
(Although I’ve personally been using it more while roaming because the PvE players are constantly spamming team chart with useless kitten.)

No No No,

Let me tell you. I am on CD and i believe i was there because i remember someone getting upset about the commander a right hand person saying if you are not in team speak dont talk.

I can tell you literally with 100% conviction nothing could be done. This commander ran from every zerg vs zerg fight. When the enemy zerg just jumps at you and your commander runs everytime.

1/2 the zerg is thinking we fight, 1/4 of the zerg notices that the commander turns into Usain Bolt when he/she sees a enemy and then the rest of the group is like why did no one back us up?

Seriously it was right after we attacked bay.

They set up about 6-8 catas at bay, we have a larg zerg. Those of us on catas took the walls down. The commander literally left us to attack hills and 1/2 the zerg died on the attempt at bay.

I honestly thought the commander was trolling us, they were calling for help from all maps since they have had our Bay on our Home BL for 20 HRS.

After taking hills and a tower the commander did it again when we went for the next tower on the bottom next to bay. The map when dead after this because everyone was tired of being wiped and the commander and his/her guild leaving what ever group is attacking the wall.

Think of Aladdin when Abu grabs the sword and all the guards are like “AHHHHHH he has a sword” then the boss guy goes “you idiots we all have swords” the commander was the 4 guards afraid of the monkey with the sword.

Joining them in TS would of helped nothing

That literally has nothing to do with what I said……. but to play devil’s advocate were you in TS? Maybe the commander was saying things like, “pull back so we can catch them in this choke”, and then the half of your zerg that wasn’t in TS charged into them and got destroyed forcing the commander to run.

No one is saying you have to talk in TS but if the commander is using it to drive the zerg you should hop in and listen or go do your own thing. The only good excuse for not doing so is if you are hearing impaired.

First of all, I am hearing impaired as you will see if you read my post about a similar experience. Second of all, your reasoning is faulty. If people are not in the squad, and they run alongside the zerg, they are not on TS and will make the same mistakes. So why make TS a useless elitist requirement when it changes nothing? The commander should always factor in people who are not in squad or not in TS as affecting tactics/play. I played with many a commander from KNT and other guilds back during tourneys and we never had a TS requirement, and most rarely used it, but we won nonetheless and we were a well-oiled coordinated team machine. Good players just instinctively know what to do. Bad players make mistakes and learn from them to get to be better players. But either way, forcing a mandatory TS requirement gives/grants nothing to the zerg – its just humiliating for those who want to be in the squad with a commander and buffs/protections but can’t be. While I admit TS may be helpful to some, it should not be a mandatory game requirement, and it should not be used as an exclusionary discriminatory tool ever – it may improve game play, but having A TS requirement forces people to either run alongside the zerg without protection (which, I might remind you, they are running alongside the zerg anyway if within the squad without TS – but at least then they have protection and help win zerg battles) or to play solo which leaves them more vulnerable to dying and not helping the server and also leads to disgruntled play and chat and eventual attrition from the game and withdrawal from the community – its not good for the game or brand or community interaction. Helpful is not the same thing as mandatory. Booting someone from a squad when its not full and the player is playing/trying is irrational, rude and divisive/abusive.

HazyDaisy.4107:

In the old days, a commander would map switch to throw off an outrageous pug following that wasn’t in TS. Now a days ques make that hard to do, so what is perceived as sissiness could very well be business as usual. If you are a pug that insists on following a tag but don’t want to follow the tags rules as silly as they may seem to you, then you have 1 of 3 options.
1) Join TS then mute everyone.
2) Don’t join TS or the squad, but follow anyway at the back of the line.
3) Do your own thing.

As far as what you could expect to hear in TS, map chat and team chat is usually a good indicator of the seriousness, silliness or vulgarness you’ll encounter.

Your suggestions are incorrect and here’s why: If you join TS and mute it, what’s the point of any of it – even the requirement – its pointless, frivolous to insist people be on TS only to have them completely ignoring it in all regards. Also, following at the back of the line/zerg is the exact same thing as being in the squad and not on TS or as being on TS and muting TS – there’s no difference – as a player you’re following a commander without benefit/distraction of TS and as a zerg you’re getting the exact same experience from the player who follows or is not in TS or is in TS with it muted and as a commander there is no benefit either way because the player will make mistakes or not, flag enemies or not, expose the zerg or not, or die/kill or not regardless of TS (assuming they really want to play and are not just in there sabotaging the zerg). While TS may help some, it hurts others’ play and some people just can’t do it – why penalize people by making a third party app a meaningless requirement – especially when squads are not full and there is only one commander on a map and a que? As to the last suggestion I would say this – if I wanted to roam and kill solo, I would pve or pvp – why are you forcing me to do that on a map which is intended to be played as a zerg – a unique and very fun thing in the gaming world. I want to fight in a zerg with the squad to get the benefits and to help out – keeping me from joining a squad only makes me hate the game and the players – not a good thing for this game which I love and would like to see around another five years.