Guild Wars 2

If you don’t like Alpine and miss DBL – just do what so many people who hated DBL did and quit WvW for awhile. It might make my queues smaller by about 10 people who actually liked DBL lol.

Again, thanks ANet for hearing the majority and bringing Alpine back, my guild is having a ton of fun again in WvW finally.

I had to watch 10 mins of your latest stream just to see. As suspected I found out your idea of “ton of fun” is a few 3v1 ganks and running halfway across the map at the mere sighting of any thing else.

Watching your own VOD all I saw was dead map save for 1 blob and a few soloers.

Also currently on MAG getting ready to go into prime EBG is queued and bls’ are boring ours is full green.

dank.3680:

I had to watch 10 mins of your latest stream just to see. As suspected I found out your idea of “ton of fun” is a few 3v1 ganks and running halfway across the map at the mere sighting of any thing else.

Watching your own VOD all I saw was dead map save for 1 blob and a few soloers.

Also currently on MAG getting ready to go into prime EBG is queued and bls’ are boring ours is full green.

lol, that’s kinda sad.

Now now, we don’t need to encourage people to leave a game mode that lives and dies on player population. What we should be doing is encouraging dialogue on how both maps and existing issues in wvw can be improved.

Personally I am glad to have alpine back, but I am not surprised nor should anyone else be because they said from the start it would be rotated back in so I really don’t understand some of these ridiculous threads going on right now.

DBL was all aboard the pugtrain and take towers and leave the bunkers be (eum, sorry I meant keeps). Only time those keeps flipped was when there was no defense (cough cough, night time, cough, cough).

DBL had no roamers, let’s face it. I had more 1v1, 1v2, 1v3, 2v2, 2v3, 2v4, 2v5, 2v6, 2v7, 3v3.. etc. in that one week with Alpine BL than I had in months on DBL!

DBL navigation was not that hard. I’ll be honest. As a roamer I tried it, it worked… but if you saw an enemy up top and you knew you had to walk left and then go up the ramp to finally take a turn before you could start attacking him… he was gone! It made this map into the dead map it was. The only time Desert BL came back alive (somehow) was when Alpine BL was finally announced. Even then, Alpine BL is destroying DBL in term of activity.

Phantom.5389:

DBL was all aboard the pugtrain and take towers and leave the bunkers be (eum, sorry I meant keeps). Only time those keeps flipped was when there was no defense (cough cough, night time, cough, cough).

……………

The only time Desert BL came back alive (somehow) was when Alpine BL was finally announced. Even then, Alpine BL is destroying DBL in term of activity.

Of course there were some who came back when the ABls returned, I’d expect it when they have been away for a while.. However, while I can’t speak about your experience as a solo roamer, the rest of your comments and your conclusions are, sorry, simply not true across the board.

The population changed a couple of weeks ago due to the many changes to WvW as a whole, plus the significant changes that were (necessarily!) made to the DBls. People were not just waiting for the ABls.

With the population change, there were good fights for the keeps last week, in peak and off-peak hours, with large numbers and smaller 10-20 man groups. They were every bit as interesting and sometimes long, sometimes swift, as the fights for ABl bay/hills.

It’s possible to celebrate the return of your preferred Bl without over the top claims.

X T D.6458:

-Alpine encourages blobbing, blobbing never occurred on dbl,

There was just not enough people on DBL to blob… And the recent prime time where people where forced to play on DBL because we had 80+ queue on EB you had big blob… Because no one want to run back for 5min if he is killed… Then people regroup..

X T D.6458:

-Dbl didn’t cause anyone to leave, I hate alpine I’m done with wvw, it caused people to leave wvw before hot.

I leave because of DBL and HoT.. And many people do like me…
I have try DBL for more that 1 month, playing every day.. But this map is bs… No one play on that map, no one want to defend something because you have to run for hours… The last patch made the map playable, but clearly not enjoyable…

X T D.6458:

-Anet catered to the vocal minority who doesn’t represent the entire population who wanted alpine back. We want dbl back because we represent the actual majority of the population.

For what I know Anet have made some poll… I didn’t notice that poll… But apparently the majority of people voting wanted ABL back… And remember that Anet say that both map will rotate ! The main issue is that they have waited so long to finally started to rotate map !

X T D.6458:

-Dbl navigation is easy if you force yourself to play on it. Alpine is to boring and simple terrain that makes it to easy to move around.

Force yoursel…. It’s exactly that with DBL ! You have to force yourself ton play on this map…. Sorry but this is a game… I want fun, I don’t want to force myself to play on bad designed map.

X T D.6458:

-Dbl always empty, I don’t like alpine because to many enemies running around.

I see lot of people on ABL, and recently we had more on DBL because people wanted to test the new change.
But at least ABL don’t need at least 20+ people / side to make the map playable…. You can play it with less people because the map is far smaller and easier to travel.

I think the ABL’s could use a redesign since there is so much wasted space on the outer edges vs. the DBL’s which has wasted space in the middle. Isn’t there some happy medium in design?

Dusty Moon.4382:

I think the ABL’s could use a redesign since there is so much wasted space on the outer edges vs. the DBL’s which has wasted space in the middle. Isn’t there some happy medium in design?

I actually liked having those spots, and as much as some people hate them, I also enjoyed the ruins. These areas offer a lot of places to LoS and lose the angry zergs that chase roamers halfway across the map.

I’d like the ruins removed and a big lake in the center. I like water fights and Bay isn’t flipping enough in T3 to get them.

dank.3680:

I had to watch 10 mins of your latest stream just to see. As suspected I found out your idea of “ton of fun” is a few 3v1 ganks and running halfway across the map at the mere sighting of any thing else.

That is the fun part. Unfairness and total domination of hapless opposition. That’s what causes blobs and that’s what discourages soloing. Server stacking and night capping are its manifestations. Sieging undefended objective at 3 in the morning because you know it’s going to make your server win. Make a deal with the devil.

When you think about it, it all boils down to this.

If I want balanced game that respects its players I go play chess.

dank.3680:

I had to watch 10 mins of your latest stream just to see. As suspected I found out your idea of “ton of fun” is a few 3v1 ganks and running halfway across the map at the mere sighting of any thing else.

Watching your own VOD all I saw was dead map save for 1 blob and a few soloers.

Also currently on MAG getting ready to go into prime EBG is queued and bls’ are boring ours is full green.

To be fair if you watch very much more than 10 minutes there are several relatively even fights.

T3, night 3. EB queue. 0 borderlands queued except a few minutes when EB commander would take force to borderland and then jump back to EB.

Sich.7103:

X T D.6458:

-Alpine encourages blobbing, blobbing never occurred on dbl,

There was just not enough people on DBL to blob… And the recent prime time where people where forced to play on DBL because we had 80+ queue on EB you had big blob… Because no one want to run back for 5min if he is killed… Then people regroup..
(…)

Sich, i just LOLD @ blob excuse.

Sich, if all a gamemode has to offer is blob karma train that sums up pretty much the quality of the game, WvW should be improved beyond that….
DBL failled because game is way to empty lack of feactures, and Anet covered that lackness with win/win gimmicks, also players want fast rewards with low effort, alpine is much easy and faster to cap.

Lol just to point out my post was sarcastic to poke fun at some of the funny inconsistencies in the recent threads about alpine.

It quoted a deleted post, so I’ll repost it

-Alpine encourages blobbing, blobbing never occurred on dbl
-Dbl didn’t cause anyone to leave. I hate alpine I’m done with wvw, it caused people to leave wvw before hot.
-Anet catered to the vocal minority who doesn’t represent the entire population who wanted alpine back. We want dbl back because we represent the actual majority of the population
-Dbl navigation is easy if you force yourself to play on it. Alpine is to boring and simple terrain that makes it to easy to move around.on.
-Dbl always empty, I don’t like alpine because to many enemies running around.

@X T D.6458, i dont think it is alpine that encourages blobbing (blobing could be a valid strategie) but the lack of insight in class/skill design, they tryed to make the game easy for everyone, but that resulted on a system hard to balance, that has show proof more than we can count hwo broken it is.

humm, i will keep saying, Anet should reduce the aoe and cleave number of skills, make them more similiar to gw1, and then compensate on classes that actually need some good aoe skill not lit limited to 5 targets :|

IF this was adresses for better gameplay, we would had a good pvp, better WvW less player leeching the stacked aoe, thus more skilled fights…

Atm skill balance/design might be the strongest issue on the game, game cant envolve decently with this skills design that enforces such gameplay.

IMO even pve would be much more fun if skills were to work more like gw1 skills.

Anet, banners would be fine if most skills were single target… much less mindless spam.

dank.3680:

I had to watch 10 mins of your latest stream just to see. As suspected I found out your idea of “ton of fun” is a few 3v1 ganks and running halfway across the map at the mere sighting of any thing else.

Watching your own VOD all I saw was dead map save for 1 blob and a few soloers.

Also currently on MAG getting ready to go into prime EBG is queued and bls’ are boring ours is full green.

Cause Mag doesn’t do that LOL

RodOfDeath.5247:

dank.3680:

I had to watch 10 mins of your latest stream just to see. As suspected I found out your idea of “ton of fun” is a few 3v1 ganks and running halfway across the map at the mere sighting of any thing else.

Watching your own VOD all I saw was dead map save for 1 blob and a few soloers.

Also currently on MAG getting ready to go into prime EBG is queued and bls’ are boring ours is full green.

Cause Mag doesn’t do that LOL

This topic isn’t about your sore kitten.

I don’t care what mag does or anyone else.

For me that type of play is not enjoyable..

Aeolus.3615:

@X T D.6458, i dont think it is alpine that encourages blobbing (blobing could be a valid strategie) but the lack of insight in class/skill design, they tryed to make the game easy for everyone, but that resulted on a system hard to balance, that has show proof more than we can count hwo broken it is.

humm, i will keep saying, Anet should reduce the aoe and cleave number of skills, make them more similiar to gw1, and then compensate on classes that actually need some good aoe skill not lit limited to 5 targets :|

IF this was adresses for better gameplay, we would had a good pvp, better WvW less player leeching the stacked aoe, thus more skilled fights…

Atm skill balance/design might be the strongest issue on the game, game cant envolve decently with this skills design that enforces such gameplay.

IMO even pve would be much more fun if skills were to work more like gw1 skills.

Anet, banners would be fine if most skills were single target… much less mindless spam.

If dbl was the first map when more people were playing and blobbing was more widespread, it also be known for it. That being said, alpine has a lot more open space, and the layout of structures is more favorable for fights meaning it is more likely to attract larger groups. Dbl was supposed to discourage blobbing but, it really didnt because there was to many defensive additions that were implemented that made blobbing more useful.

dank.3680:

RodOfDeath.5247:

dank.3680:

I had to watch 10 mins of your latest stream just to see. As suspected I found out your idea of “ton of fun” is a few 3v1 ganks and running halfway across the map at the mere sighting of any thing else.

Watching your own VOD all I saw was dead map save for 1 blob and a few soloers.

Also currently on MAG getting ready to go into prime EBG is queued and bls’ are boring ours is full green.

Cause Mag doesn’t do that LOL

This topic isn’t about your sore kitten.

I don’t care what mag does or anyone else.

For me that type of play is not enjoyable..

It’s all about me and tricking you mag roamers then getting salt whispers cause my low skill engi skills 1vx you guys