Guild Wars 2

You’d be pleased to know that there’s an actual game mode that’s focused solely on small scale fights and duels:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/pvp/pvp

Meanwhile, don’t be the jerk that lets your team die because you insist on dueling with enemy. WvW is meant to be a field of war where everything green is your friend to assist and everything red is your enemy to attack.

Signed,
The WvW players

PVP isn’t about duels at all. Who told you that?

Oh boy oh boy oh boy!

I logged in just to respond to this thread, and boy, it takes a lot for me to get to do so.

1. Don’t tell me how to play the way I like.

2. It is impossible to get the stat combos that most, if not all duelists want to use/like through spvp. Sure the game mode is nice to duel cross server, but don’t cram your PPT bull down my throat, ’kay?

Signed,
A WvW Player that is probably better than you are.

sounds like op walked into a duel and got his face smashed by someone he thought he was ganking

insanemaniac.2456:

sounds like op walked into a duel and got his face smashed by someone he thought he was ganking

+1

Duels in WvW are fun. It’s also nice to be civil with your enemies to practice your skills, work on builds or just enjoy casual fights whether participating or watching. If you see some enemies and allies standing around not attacking each other, don’t go in guns blazing thinking your server-mates are going to save you, because odds are they’re having duels and would rather watch you get rekt by the enemy.

Duels in WvW are unproductive but so are the majority of guild raids. At least duels are only ever taking 5 – 10 people for the most part while guild raids are taking half a Q and doing kitten all other than running around ganking solos.

insanemaniac.2456:

sounds like op walked into a duel and got his face smashed by someone he thought he was ganking

One time a guy told me I was why I server sucked at WvW after I let him die in a similar situation.

Who cares if people want to duel, they have no obligation to help you in any particular fight.

It sounds like duelists are ruining your game mode. Well it turns out that you can’t make the duelists do anything you want. I’d bet they prefer if you stopped with your ppt garbage and started roaming.

Signed,
The people who think you are being silly.

I don’t mind duelists in WvW, but I WISH the would move off to some secluded place, or go to obsidian sanctum. There’s actually a large arena there. Not duke it out in the middle of the road, and get mad when they’re interrupted.

Too many times I jumped into a duel to save someone that didn’t need saving. WvW is supposed to be all about dirty fighting, and duels aren’t dirty fights.

I see a lot of pretty irrelevant answers from many as usual. The OP does have a point about some duelist attitude and the play field they decide to poo on. Duel all you like, I sure do it myself, but do so inside the frame of WvW. Letting your team members get killed when they thought they could count on you is Justin Beiberesque idiotic. You aren’t in some Olympic scrimmage. You are at war. I never get angry when ppl use their superior numbers to pile on me because I’d do the same and it is expected of them.

You want fair fights? Go top PVP where all strive to be balanced. Otherwise, spare us your “fair fight” BS rhetoric to excuse you putrid lack of team play.

I have no problems with people who want to duel in WvW.

That said no one dueling in WvW should EXPECT that others that come upon said duel should not interfere. You the enemy. You are on the map you are fair game.

If duelers insist on getting to play they way THEY want then they have to accept that others that come upon duelers and kill the enemy are doing the same.

Playing the way THEY want.

There’s nothing wrong with dueling in WvW.

It may not play into your PPT strategy because those 5 guys from your team are not carrying supply for your arrow carts, BUT

I’ve seen imromptu fight nights on the sides of SMC (normally the east side) which completely stop the momentum of the enemy server, because the enemy servers want to duel as well.

i understand the “Red is dead” attitude, but If i dont find duels in open WvW, I dont find them at all.

Obsidian Sanctum is fabulous for duels, but you know what’s gonna happen if i wait in OS for duels to come to me? zipity, didily squat. OS is empty 90% of the time and its simply easier to go out and /bow to an enemy to get a fight.

There’s a whole host of reasons to duel in WvW instead of PvP, but most notably being the min-maxed stats. guard stacks are nice, but you cant fight someone whos got 2400 power and 3k armor in PvP, because the stats are just not possible. I dont expect you guys to all know " oh that’s a duel happening, leave it alone" when you walk up on one. That would by sill. It’s fine that people come n interrupt duels in open world PvP. Either i get to watch a duel or fight a duel, either way i get to watch someone die.

P.S. If you interrupt my duel and can’t beat the guy im dueling, i will let him stomp you if you can’t beat him. I dont have to be nice to you because we’re on the same team.

edit: Second thought – If enemy roamers are all caught up dueling, they’re NOT picking off the tail of your zerg and spawncamping your keeps, flipping your camps, killing your yaks etc. Duels DO have their place in WvW.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I see a lot of pretty irrelevant answers from many as usual. The OP does have a point about some duelist attitude and the play field they decide to poo on. Duel all you like, I sure do it myself, but do so inside the frame of WvW. Letting your team members get killed when they thought they could count on you is Justin Beiberesque idiotic. You aren’t in some Olympic scrimmage. You are at war. I never get angry when ppl use their superior numbers to pile on me because I’d do the same and it is expected of them.

You want fair fights? Go top PVP where all strive to be balanced. Otherwise, spare us your “fair fight” BS rhetoric to excuse you putrid lack of team play.

Don’t you have an arrow cart to man? If I’m having a duel with somebody, and it’s quite obvious to tell when somebody is dueling, and somebody interferes, first off I will ask them to kindly stop and say we are dueling. If they keep fighting then obviously I will watch as my opponent fights back. Most people that run into duels respect them, the few that don’t though are usually bads that get destroyed anyway.

If you can fight in WvW then dueling is part of it. Don’t get mad when another player chooses to play slightly different than you do and then you die as a result. Don’t even try to bring up the “way the game is meant to be played” PPT nonsense and understand some people don’t play the same way you do.

It’s especially fun when someone is dueling someone in the middle of the road you kill him and you get pms along the lines of: “GTFO WE DUELING SCRUB!!!1!111!1!!”. Dueling is fine and I enjoy it also, but if you get ganked by someone in the middle of a duel get over it.

insanemaniac.2456:

sounds like op walked into a duel and got his face smashed by someone he thought he was ganking

- Not quite. I walked into 3v1 situation that turned into 1v1 situation against an enemy who was quite well prepared to play 1v1. On top of that my own side players, in addition to doing nothing whatsoever to help, said me rude things. I might as well call them backstabbing spies.

I have no problems with duels at all, i do them myself at times. What i DO mind are ppl whining cause they duel at a sentry and you run in and help/kill the enemy. There are tons of spots no one every comes unless they need the SP/ Poi there. Duel there and no one cares.

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I see a lot of pretty irrelevant answers from many as usual. The OP does have a point about some duelist attitude and the play field they decide to poo on. Duel all you like, I sure do it myself, but do so inside the frame of WvW. Letting your team members get killed when they thought they could count on you is Justin Beiberesque idiotic. You aren’t in some Olympic scrimmage. You are at war. I never get angry when ppl use their superior numbers to pile on me because I’d do the same and it is expected of them.

You want fair fights? Go top PVP where all strive to be balanced. Otherwise, spare us your “fair fight” BS rhetoric to excuse you putrid lack of team play.

Don’t you have an arrow cart to man? If I’m having a duel with somebody, and it’s quite obvious to tell when somebody is dueling, and somebody interferes, first off I will ask them to kindly stop and say we are dueling. If they keep fighting then obviously I will watch as my opponent fights back. Most people that run into duels respect them, the few that don’t though are usually bads that get destroyed anyway.

If you can fight in WvW then dueling is part of it. Don’t get mad when another player chooses to play slightly different than you do and then you die as a result. Don’t even try to bring up the “way the game is meant to be played” PPT nonsense and understand some people don’t play the same way you do.

Ah the good ole “don’t you have an ac to man” line when one has nothing else to say… or cant read. I almost miss being on a server where ppl would spout that non-sense every time they have an opportunity to.

In this particular case, it clearly demonstrate you just don’t care to read a word others type. I did say I also duel now did I? Yes, I did. I’m never mad to see a duel. Heck, I indulge in them too and I love it. What I DO get mad about is when a duel become an excuse to be a complete kitten. It’s a team game first. You can be a loner all you want, I am, but ignoring a plea for help or feeling kitten because your precious duel is ruined by ppl doing what is expected of them is laughable.

What’s next? You will tell cars on main street of your town to GTFO of your street when you play soccer? Don’t get too surprised when ppl starts to run you down with their car. I would.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I see a lot of pretty irrelevant answers from many as usual. The OP does have a point about some duelist attitude and the play field they decide to poo on. Duel all you like, I sure do it myself, but do so inside the frame of WvW. Letting your team members get killed when they thought they could count on you is Justin Beiberesque idiotic. You aren’t in some Olympic scrimmage. You are at war. I never get angry when ppl use their superior numbers to pile on me because I’d do the same and it is expected of them.

You want fair fights? Go top PVP where all strive to be balanced. Otherwise, spare us your “fair fight” BS rhetoric to excuse you putrid lack of team play.

Don’t you have an arrow cart to man? If I’m having a duel with somebody, and it’s quite obvious to tell when somebody is dueling, and somebody interferes, first off I will ask them to kindly stop and say we are dueling. If they keep fighting then obviously I will watch as my opponent fights back. Most people that run into duels respect them, the few that don’t though are usually bads that get destroyed anyway.

If you can fight in WvW then dueling is part of it. Don’t get mad when another player chooses to play slightly different than you do and then you die as a result. Don’t even try to bring up the “way the game is meant to be played” PPT nonsense and understand some people don’t play the same way you do.

Ah the good ole “don’t you have an ac to man” line when one has nothing else to say… or cant read. I almost miss being on a server where ppl would spout that non-sense every time they have an opportunity to.

In this particular case, it clearly demonstrate you just don’t care to read a word others type. I did say I also duel now did I? Yes, I did. I’m never mad to see a duel. Heck, I indulge in them too and I love it. What I DO get mad about is when a duel become an excuse to be a complete kitten. It’s a team game first. You can be a loner all you want, I am, but ignoring a plea for help or feeling kitten because your precious duel is ruined by ppl doing what is expected of them is laughable.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the interrupter of a duel, not the duelist made this thread, yes? So no duelist is complaining here, merely the fool who can’t respect a duel when it’s going on. I think it only reasonable to assume that the person asked the OP not to interfere and when he failed to do so he was killed. At least that’s how it goes down when it happens to me. If somebody asks you not to interfere and you do, one shouldn’t be surprised when their allies don’t assist them and laugh at them. You’re nothing more than a nuisance when you interfere with a duel after being asked not to.

People like you have no honour for lack of a better word. To you spawn camping would be justified because you are obligated to as a wvw player because they are the enemy. You need to learn to see past such foolish concepts. You can argue that I can’t complain when somebody interferes with my duel because “that’s how the game is meant to be played”, but then you can’t defend the guy who was killed by duelists. If you want to interfere with duels, go for it, but if you die, don’t complain. However, just because you can interfere, doesn’t mean you should. I know PPT is all you think about but try and see past that.

warriorjrd.8695:

People like you have no honour for lack of a better word. To you spawn camping would be justified because you are obligated to as a wvw player because they are the enemy.

- Hah! You’re saying it’s honorable to leave your team mate to die. You probably won’t even help your team mate who is getting killed by enemy 1v1 because you think it’s a duel and they “deserve” it for not having 1v1 build on their character. Nobody gives a **** about your ego.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

I see a lot of pretty irrelevant answers from many as usual. The OP does have a point about some duelist attitude and the play field they decide to poo on. Duel all you like, I sure do it myself, but do so inside the frame of WvW. Letting your team members get killed when they thought they could count on you is Justin Beiberesque idiotic. You aren’t in some Olympic scrimmage. You are at war. I never get angry when ppl use their superior numbers to pile on me because I’d do the same and it is expected of them.

You want fair fights? Go top PVP where all strive to be balanced. Otherwise, spare us your “fair fight” BS rhetoric to excuse you putrid lack of team play.

If I see a 1v1, duel or not, I let them fight it out. If my teammate goes down, I go to help hopefully before he/she gets stomped. If they get mad I didn’t come to gank before they died/went down, they should learn from their losses and not take it to heart. Personally, I prefer people to leave me to my battles, whether it’s an agreed upon duel or just someone who attacked me out of the blue. If I can’t defeat them, I learn from it and move on. If you’re mad someone doesn’t lend you a hand you should consider the fact that they’re not obligated to do so. I will go out of my way to bodyblock 1 person who’s being ganked by 3 or more people or I will help someone who’s being 2v1’d. If it’s a 1v1 I’ll casually pass by because I don’t have to help you, you shouldn’t expect me to and if you can’t handle yourself you should learn why. People who get buttmad someone didn’t help them during a fight are the same people who feed trolls bags because they got emoted at.

Expect the unexpected and don’t rely on anyone.

Zenith.6403:

warriorjrd.8695:

People like you have no honour for lack of a better word. To you spawn camping would be justified because you are obligated to as a wvw player because they are the enemy.

- Hah! You’re saying it’s honorable to leave your team mate to die. You probably won’t even help your team mate who is getting killed by enemy 1v1 because you think it’s a duel and they “deserve” it for not having 1v1 build on their character. Nobody gives a **** about your ego.

strawmanning the argument does not hep you here. assuming you don’t get ambushed, a 1v1 is an excellent learning opportunity. I might help an ally if they get downed by an enemy and are about to get stomped, but why would i interrupt a duel deprive them of an opportunity to see where they are weak as a player, or finding weaknesses in their build? Considering that I have to fight next to this ally every day, it’s in my best interest to help them improve in this regard.

Also, the way you talk about dying, it’s like you actually care how many counts are in your /deaths record

Zenith.6403:

warriorjrd.8695:

People like you have no honour for lack of a better word. To you spawn camping would be justified because you are obligated to as a wvw player because they are the enemy.

- Hah! You’re saying it’s honorable to leave your team mate to die. You probably won’t even help your team mate who is getting killed by enemy 1v1 because you think it’s a duel and they “deserve” it for not having 1v1 build on their character. Nobody gives a **** about your ego.

It’s not honorable to let your teammate die. But it’s freewill. If you make that choice don’t expect people to save you when you need it. I don’t interfere with 1v1’s whether it’s a duel or not and I don’t expect anyone to save me when I need it. The selflessness of someone coming to your aid shouldn’t be something people depend upon. It’d be the same as walking infront of a bus and expecting someone to push you out of the way.

If I see two people fighting it’s usually fairly clear pretty fast whether it’s a duel or not- if my guy runs towards me looking a bit ill then it’s a gank not a duel.

If I’m on my staff ele then feel free to come help me as I’m being ganked- it’s not built for 1v1.

Hey do what you want, but my team and I will be crushing every red name we see. Duel or not, you are my enemy and I will happily destroy you with overwhelming force!

I do love it when someone tells me not to kill an enemy though. Sorry but that lootbag is mine.

Zenith.6403:

warriorjrd.8695:

People like you have no honour for lack of a better word. To you spawn camping would be justified because you are obligated to as a wvw player because they are the enemy.

- Hah! You’re saying it’s honorable to leave your team mate to die. You probably won’t even help your team mate who is getting killed by enemy 1v1 because you think it’s a duel and they “deserve” it for not having 1v1 build on their character. Nobody gives a **** about your ego.

I would ask if it was a duel, if it wasn’t I would help him out. I don’t see why it’s so hard to grasp the concept of respecting an organized duel. I have saved plenty of people from getting stomped or in 2v1 situations. Just because I respect duels doesn’t mean I let my teammates die, stop thinking like an idiot.

Ummmm keep the duelers in WvW please. That’s where they want to be. The red is dead mentality in pvp doesn’t always work, and duelers will want fair even fights that they are unlikely to get in pvp. Whatever the reason, this was a bad post to make, as someone who plays both game modes.

Roe.3679:

Ummmm keep the duelers in WvW please. That’s where they want to be. The red is dead mentality in pvp doesn’t always work, and duelers will want fair even fights that they are unlikely to get in pvp. Whatever the reason, this was a bad post to make, as someone who plays both game modes.

Why can’t they get fair fights in pvp? I see ZERO reasons for this. You can pick the server you want and duel whoever you want. Heck, I did it on servers where ppl were only there for just that.

In WvW you are on a battleground. You have to expect to be interrupted. The best you can hope for is to get to some very remote point of the map where you won’t be seen. But then again, why not just go in PVP with ppl who agree to do what you want to do.

warriorjrd.8695:

Zenith.6403:

warriorjrd.8695:

People like you have no honour for lack of a better word. To you spawn camping would be justified because you are obligated to as a wvw player because they are the enemy.

- Hah! You’re saying it’s honorable to leave your team mate to die. You probably won’t even help your team mate who is getting killed by enemy 1v1 because you think it’s a duel and they “deserve” it for not having 1v1 build on their character. Nobody gives a **** about your ego.

I would ask if it was a duel, if it wasn’t I would help him out. I don’t see why it’s so hard to grasp the concept of respecting an organized duel. I have saved plenty of people from getting stomped or in 2v1 situations. Just because I respect duels doesn’t mean I let my teammates die, stop thinking like an idiot.

The problem I have seen is when the duel takes place at an objective or close to it. You see someone from your team and you decide to jump in to help him preserve or take the objective. Now imagine the surprise when the player, who made a move to help you thinking he would have your support, end up being alone in fighting the ennemy.

When you mainly play staff like me (ele), it can be a pretty unpleasant surprise to end up 1vs1 against someone whith a pure duel build while you are more support. Chances are, you get killed for your trouble and you seriously wonder WTF didn’t your pal lift a finger to help you.

People shouldn’t have to ask anything. The guy is red, he is a target, period. If duels were legitimate as you want them to be as opposed to what they are, GW would have included a “duel” status where only people in duel status could interreact with each others.

Obsidian Sanctum has a dueling area which most people respect. PvP also has dueling servers which most people respect. That’s where WvW dueling should be done.

If you are dueling in the open field of your BL don’t cry cause someone interrupted you fight and stomped you. Anywhere other than the 2 places mentioned above is fair game.

I have nothing agaist duellers, its always fun to watch when they got steamrolled by zerg

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Zenith.6403:

warriorjrd.8695:

People like you have no honour for lack of a better word. To you spawn camping would be justified because you are obligated to as a wvw player because they are the enemy.

- Hah! You’re saying it’s honorable to leave your team mate to die. You probably won’t even help your team mate who is getting killed by enemy 1v1 because you think it’s a duel and they “deserve” it for not having 1v1 build on their character. Nobody gives a **** about your ego.

I would ask if it was a duel, if it wasn’t I would help him out. I don’t see why it’s so hard to grasp the concept of respecting an organized duel. I have saved plenty of people from getting stomped or in 2v1 situations. Just because I respect duels doesn’t mean I let my teammates die, stop thinking like an idiot.

The problem I have seen is when the duel takes place at an objective or close to it. You see someone from your team and you decide to jump in to help him preserve or take the objective. Now imagine the surprise when the player, who made a move to help you thinking he would have your support, end up being alone in fighting the ennemy.

When you mainly play staff like me (ele), it can be a pretty unpleasant surprise to end up 1vs1 against someone whith a pure duel build while you are more support. Chances are, you get killed for your trouble and you seriously wonder WTF didn’t your pal lift a finger to help you.

People shouldn’t have to ask anything. The guy is red, he is a target, period. If duels were legitimate as you want them to be as opposed to what they are, GW would have included a “duel” status where only people in duel status could interreact with each others.

OH MAI GAWD enough with the game mode nonsense. Honestly, I suppose you would endorse camping the enemy spawn with tons of siege making it impossible for them to leave, just because they are a read name. Running into somebody on the field and 1v1ing them doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a duel. There are dueling spots on each map, which most people should know that if two people are fighting there, it’s a duel and you should respect that. Maybe learn those spots before you run in there with your staff, or like I suggested, just ask if it’s a duel and if the guy wants help.

I personally don’t like 2v1ing a person, just because I like the practice of 1v1s and relying on myself and not somebody else assisting me. However, if I just run across somebody in the field I won’t stop attacking if an ally comes along. If it’s a proper duel however, in a dueling spot, where we bowed etc, then you can be kitten sure I won’t 2v1 the guy.

You seriously need to get some better arguments and stop relying on anet to tell you how to play the game. It was the same thing when you tried saying GvG’s were bad. The whole “it’s not the intended gamemode” garbage. I play on SFR, home to the biggest PPTers EU. All they care about is the tick, and they grasp this concept easier than you because when I ask them not to interfere, they don’t. Often times they will actually ask me if I want help, which seems to be too difficult for you I guess.

If want to keep leaning on your gamemode crux argument, go for it. But just understand that a lot of players completely disagree with you and have something of unwritten rules, where you respect duels, simple as that. I would also like to point out that in your ignorance of duels you seem to be under the delusion that spvp would ever be a better spot for them. First off there is no spvp server where you can just enter and pick a fight with other people in there like you can in wvw. Second, don’t even get me started on the stat differences between wvw and spvp, which for a lot of people make quite the difference in their builds and can’t be replicated in spvp.

Julie Yann.5379:

Obsidian Sanctum has a dueling area which most people respect. PvP also has dueling servers which most people respect. That’s where WvW dueling should be done.

If you are dueling in the open field of your BL don’t cry cause someone interrupted you fight and stomped you. Anywhere other than the 2 places mentioned above is fair game.

Again, no duelist is complaining here. The person who failed to interrupt a duel is the one complaining. So I say the same argument back to you; if you try to interrupt a duel and get killed, don’t cry on the forums.

As we tell duelists on our server, take it to the windmill or it does not count as a duel. Even then while two people are dueling the bystanders are building stacks by taking the south camp. If you catch them in the act they run back to the windmill to pretend they are dueling. If you are dueling there better not be a sentry near you wearing your server colours or a dead yak.

Yea, I agree with the Wind Mill. It is nice and open with plenty of fighting area. Another greath place to duel is in Obsidian Sanctum. The Arena in there is nice and it also has great perches for spectators to sit on well above the fight so that they dont get accidentally tagged. Why the OS arena hasnt become more popular as an underground fighting/brawling/dueling tournament location, I have no idea.

Scryeless.1924:

Yea, I agree with the Wind Mill. It is nice and open with plenty of fighting area. Another greath place to duel is in Obsidian Sanctum. The Arena in there is nice and it also has great perches for spectators to sit on well above the fight so that they dont get accidentally tagged. Why the OS arena hasnt become more popular as an underground fighting/brawling/dueling tournament location, I have no idea.

The OS is the most popular place for duels. I don’t know who you got the idea that it isn’t. The biggest problem with the OS is that you don’t want to sit there for a half hour to fight if no one is around. I think this is why you get a lot of impromptu duels outside of the windmill/OS.

I don’t really care if people interrupt duels I’m having outside of those areas. If I see two people 1v1ing I don’t hop in until my ally is just about dead. That’s the best way to do it in my opinion.

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Zenith.6403:

warriorjrd.8695:

People like you have no honour for lack of a better word. To you spawn camping would be justified because you are obligated to as a wvw player because they are the enemy.

- Hah! You’re saying it’s honorable to leave your team mate to die. You probably won’t even help your team mate who is getting killed by enemy 1v1 because you think it’s a duel and they “deserve” it for not having 1v1 build on their character. Nobody gives a **** about your ego.

I would ask if it was a duel, if it wasn’t I would help him out. I don’t see why it’s so hard to grasp the concept of respecting an organized duel. I have saved plenty of people from getting stomped or in 2v1 situations. Just because I respect duels doesn’t mean I let my teammates die, stop thinking like an idiot.

The problem I have seen is when the duel takes place at an objective or close to it. You see someone from your team and you decide to jump in to help him preserve or take the objective. Now imagine the surprise when the player, who made a move to help you thinking he would have your support, end up being alone in fighting the ennemy.

When you mainly play staff like me (ele), it can be a pretty unpleasant surprise to end up 1vs1 against someone whith a pure duel build while you are more support. Chances are, you get killed for your trouble and you seriously wonder WTF didn’t your pal lift a finger to help you.

People shouldn’t have to ask anything. The guy is red, he is a target, period. If duels were legitimate as you want them to be as opposed to what they are, GW would have included a “duel” status where only people in duel status could interreact with each others.

OH MAI GAWD enough with the game mode nonsense. Honestly, I suppose you would endorse camping the enemy spawn with tons of siege making it impossible for them to leave, just because they are a read name. Running into somebody on the field and 1v1ing them doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a duel. There are dueling spots on each map, which most people should know that if two people are fighting there, it’s a duel and you should respect that. Maybe learn those spots before you run in there with your staff, or like I suggested, just ask if it’s a duel and if the guy wants help.

I personally don’t like 2v1ing a person, just because I like the practice of 1v1s and relying on myself and not somebody else assisting me. However, if I just run across somebody in the field I won’t stop attacking if an ally comes along. If it’s a proper duel however, in a dueling spot, where we bowed etc, then you can be kitten sure I won’t 2v1 the guy.

You seriously need to get some better arguments and stop relying on anet to tell you how to play the game. It was the same thing when you tried saying GvG’s were bad. The whole “it’s not the intended gamemode” garbage. I play on SFR, home to the biggest PPTers EU. All they care about is the tick, and they grasp this concept easier than you because when I ask them not to interfere, they don’t. Often times they will actually ask me if I want help, which seems to be too difficult for you I guess.

If want to keep leaning on your gamemode crux argument, go for it. But just understand that a lot of players completely disagree with you and have something of unwritten rules, where you respect duels, simple as that. I would also like to point out that in your ignorance of duels you seem to be under the delusion that spvp would ever be a better spot for them. First off there is no spvp server where you can just enter and pick a fight with other people in there like you can in wvw. Second, don’t even get me started on the stat differences between wvw and spvp, which for a lot of people make quite the difference in their builds and can’t be replicated in spvp.

I totally prefer to have fair and balanced matches and I admire your honorable intentions. Sadly, you pick the wrong place to expect people to follow any kind of unwritten rule (that not everyone are aware of at all). It is not always obvious that you are having a duel rather than defending your life in WvW context. The knee jerk reaction will always be to help the people on your side and smack the red one.

And even so, why should we trust an ennemy dueller? What prevent him from taking a camp once we go away and he win his macth vs you? Yeah, I know, “honor”. The problem is, the world is composed of all sort of people and we don’t know all you know about him. I see way too many turn-coat and liar who are eager to just troll the kitten out of anybody…

You can duel all you want and I hope it will always go like you want, but my advise is to make yourself as invisible as possible or better yet, take a dedicated to duel pvp server.

I like roaming in WvW. Cause you will face so many different duels.
You can’t roam in pve. You cant roam in pvp. Roamers belongs in WvW. I always get PM’s with: Go to obsidian Sanctum to duel! Go to pvp to duel! Like I listen to random pugs telling me how to play. Hellno.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

The problem I have seen is when the duel takes place at an objective or close to it. You see someone from your team and you decide to jump in to help him preserve or take the objective. Now imagine the surprise when the player, who made a move to help you thinking he would have your support, end up being alone in fighting the ennemy.

That’s why I usually just keep shooting them with siege weapons so they can’t have a clean fight to make them go away. I don’t care if they duel down by the windmill or otherwise away from objectives and I’ll respect that if they tell me it’s a duel. But if an opponent is fighting near an objective, there is no way to tell if they are scouting or otherwise helping the enemy in other ways.

Zenith.6403:

insanemaniac.2456:

sounds like op walked into a duel and got his face smashed by someone he thought he was ganking

- Not quite. I walked into 3v1 situation that turned into 1v1 situation against an enemy who was quite well prepared to play 1v1. On top of that my own side players, in addition to doing nothing whatsoever to help, said me rude things. I might as well call them backstabbing spies.

that is precisely what i imagined to have happened
how many spectators there were is kind of irrelevant… but when you see someone standing around and not dying while enemies are present, you need to stop and ask yourself “whats going on here?” before you act instead of charging in headfirst. and it sounds like you didnt even stop to think long enough to notice there was a spectator.

10 times out of 10, those duelists will not poop on your game mode if you dont kitten with them and they are in fact nice people if youre lookin for new friends. cuz disrespectful kittenheads dont get duels, they get stomped.

The first or second time I tried WvW I ran into some duelers. The guy explained that the place to go for that was the windmill on the hill behind the s camp. I’ve only seen one duel outside of that area. In that instance, the guy from the other server won the duel, moved off back to his tower, but then came with his buddies to gank me when I tried to rez the downed player. I don’t intend to honor any future duel situations in the main battle space.

Well, if you interrupt a duel, it means you know how to fight, and in that case, Good luck have fun, I’m not going to jump someone because you found interrupting a duel “fun”. Granted I only duel in the far areas of the map – mostly.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Zenith.6403:

warriorjrd.8695:

The problem I have seen is when the duel takes place at an objective or close to it. You see someone from your team and you decide to jump in to help him preserve or take the objective. Now imagine the surprise when the player, who made a move to help you thinking he would have your support, end up being alone in fighting the ennemy.

When you mainly play staff like me (ele), it can be a pretty unpleasant surprise to end up 1vs1 against someone whith a pure duel build while you are more support. Chances are, you get killed for your trouble and you seriously wonder WTF didn’t your pal lift a finger to help you.

People shouldn’t have to ask anything. The guy is red, he is a target, period. If duels were legitimate as you want them to be as opposed to what they are, GW would have included a “duel” status where only people in duel status could interreact with each others.

I totally prefer to have fair and balanced matches and I admire your honorable intentions. Sadly, you pick the wrong place to expect people to follow any kind of unwritten rule (that not everyone are aware of at all). It is not always obvious that you are having a duel rather than defending your life in WvW context. The knee jerk reaction will always be to help the people on your side and smack the red one.

And even so, why should we trust an ennemy dueller? What prevent him from taking a camp once we go away and he win his macth vs you? Yeah, I know, “honor”. The problem is, the world is composed of all sort of people and we don’t know all you know about him. I see way too many turn-coat and liar who are eager to just troll the kitten out of anybody…

You can duel all you want and I hope it will always go like you want, but my advise is to make yourself as invisible as possible or better yet, take a dedicated to duel pvp server.

I explained to you why you can’t duel in spvp, yet you still hit your head against the wall saying that it’s my best option. Go figure. Also who cares what he does or what happens to him after to duel. If he goes and captures a camp, good for him, don’t get me started on how pointless PPT is again. The point is, (and I don’t know where you are from where most people are unaware of not to interfere with duels) most people know when a duel is going on and should try and respect that. If they want to kill the guy after the fact, go for it, the duel is over. But if you get killed trying to interrupt a duel, well as I’ve said before, don’t cry.

Zenith.6403:

warriorjrd.8695:

People like you have no honour for lack of a better word. To you spawn camping would be justified because you are obligated to as a wvw player because they are the enemy.

- Hah! You’re saying it’s honorable to leave your team mate to die. You probably won’t even help your team mate who is getting killed by enemy 1v1 because you think it’s a duel and they “deserve” it for not having 1v1 build on their character. Nobody gives a **** about your ego.

come play with your team against SFR ubberblob.

Duels are ok and very cool to particiapte and respect in wvw.

PPT is ded long ago.

insanemaniac.2456:

but when you see someone standing around and not dying while enemies are present, you need to stop and ask yourself “whats going on here?”

- A match that is even doesn’t often happen. I’d wait for reinforcements too.

insanemaniac.2456:

10 times out of 10, those duelists will not poop on your game mode if you dont kitten with them and they are in fact nice people if youre lookin for new friends. cuz disrespectful kittenheads dont get duels, they get stomped.

- They poop on the gamemode that is WvW by breaking the expectation that you can trust your teammate to not betray you on the time of need. This is why sPvP is the game mode for them. There you can duel all you like without other people coming to interfere with your duels. I’m sure it’s not too hard to understand for you if you tried.

Roamers are part of WvW. You can expect that they will go 1v1 in pvp if you ask them to do it. A roamer wants to roam freely in the map while dueling many people, against many classes. You can’t nothing do about it then just accept it or ignore it.

Zenith.6403:

insanemaniac.2456:

but when you see someone standing around and not dying while enemies are present, you need to stop and ask yourself “whats going on here?”

- A match that is even doesn’t often happen. I’d wait for reinforcements too.

insanemaniac.2456:

10 times out of 10, those duelists will not poop on your game mode if you dont kitten with them and they are in fact nice people if youre lookin for new friends. cuz disrespectful kittenheads dont get duels, they get stomped.

- They poop on the gamemode that is WvW by breaking the expectation that you can trust your teammate to not betray you on the time of need. This is why sPvP is the game mode for them. There you can duel all you like without other people coming to interfere with your duels. I’m sure it’s not too hard to understand for you if you tried.

There shouldnt be any expectation that someone on your team is going to help you When you’re interrupting something that they’re doing.

There are dueling spots on EVERY map, and while the windmills are the most commonly known, one can’t just sit around at the windmill waiting for duelers to show up. You’ll be waiting a very long time. YOU MUST go out into the battlegrounds and find them, because no one wants to sit on a ded map at a windmill and wait for people who might never come at all, cause they went to a different borderland! DOH!

In Eternal, the most common dueling spot is along the eastern side of Stonemist Castle.

Also, in S/TPvP you RARELY get a 1v1, and the dynamic of the fight is completely different because it’s focal point isnt actually on the fight, it’s about controlling the point. This is why Hambow warriors are strong in Spvp and awful in WvW.

In Spvp i need to stay on point, standing in the warrior’s ungodly huge fire field. In WvW, I can just go around that kitten, there’s no reason for me to stand in their kitten.

You also seem to have ignored the commentary on stat mixing which makes WvW combat so unpredictable and dynamic, especially in a 1v1 situation, and that you are even still suggesting that PvP is a better space for duels shows your lack of knowledge in this case. WvW has build diversity, afforded by the fact that you CAN have 3 pieces of soldier armor and 3 pieces of zerker, with whatever kind of trinkets you desire on the side!

As for being “betrayed” by your teammates, that’s some kittening stupid kitten. If you took, even 5 seconds to type out to your ally, “Hey, you dueling?” you wouldnt have gotten stomped. With very few notable exceptions,

TLDR; People duel to get better at the game. You should try it, instead of kittening that your servermates didnt help you when you tried to gank their dueling friend. You just sound kitten that your allies were more interested in their duel than you.

warriorjrd.8695:

If he goes and captures a camp, good for him, don’t get me started on how pointless PPT is again.

- Points are the name of the game in this mode. I don’t know why would anyone enter WvW if they don’t care about concepts like attacking and defending towers, running supplies, securing routes and siege. “PPT is pointless” is like playing chess and saying cornering the king is overrated.

Zenith.6403:

warriorjrd.8695:

If he goes and captures a camp, good for him, don’t get me started on how pointless PPT is again.

- Points are the name of the game in this mode. I don’t know why would anyone enter WvW if they don’t care about concepts like attacking and defending towers, running supplies, securing routes and siege. “PPT is pointless” is like playing chess and saying cornering the king is overrated.

you probably gave more points to the other team getting stomped than they’ll get from the camp being flipped.

It only matters if the tick timer is less than 4:00, during the other 11 minutes of the tick, it’s 100% irrelevant that the camp got flipped, especially if it was an un-upgraded camp. I need to get stacks eventually.

edit: and who doesn’t re-flip their camps for the tick?

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

warriorjrd.8695:

Zenith.6403:

warriorjrd.8695:

The problem I have seen is when the duel takes place at an objective or close to it. You see someone from your team and you decide to jump in to help him preserve or take the objective. Now imagine the surprise when the player, who made a move to help you thinking he would have your support, end up being alone in fighting the ennemy.

When you mainly play staff like me (ele), it can be a pretty unpleasant surprise to end up 1vs1 against someone whith a pure duel build while you are more support. Chances are, you get killed for your trouble and you seriously wonder WTF didn’t your pal lift a finger to help you.

People shouldn’t have to ask anything. The guy is red, he is a target, period. If duels were legitimate as you want them to be as opposed to what they are, GW would have included a “duel” status where only people in duel status could interreact with each others.

I totally prefer to have fair and balanced matches and I admire your honorable intentions. Sadly, you pick the wrong place to expect people to follow any kind of unwritten rule (that not everyone are aware of at all). It is not always obvious that you are having a duel rather than defending your life in WvW context. The knee jerk reaction will always be to help the people on your side and smack the red one.

And even so, why should we trust an ennemy dueller? What prevent him from taking a camp once we go away and he win his macth vs you? Yeah, I know, “honor”. The problem is, the world is composed of all sort of people and we don’t know all you know about him. I see way too many turn-coat and liar who are eager to just troll the kitten out of anybody…

You can duel all you want and I hope it will always go like you want, but my advise is to make yourself as invisible as possible or better yet, take a dedicated to duel pvp server.

I explained to you why you can’t duel in spvp, yet you still hit your head against the wall saying that it’s my best option. Go figure. Also who cares what he does or what happens to him after to duel. If he goes and captures a camp, good for him, don’t get me started on how pointless PPT is again. The point is, (and I don’t know where you are from where most people are unaware of not to interfere with duels) most people know when a duel is going on and should try and respect that. If they want to kill the guy after the fact, go for it, the duel is over. But if you get killed trying to interrupt a duel, well as I’ve said before, don’t cry.

Actually you explained a falsehood. There are servers dedicated for you to pick a fight with those that are there in a duel. You either don’t know it or don’t want to know about it. But that is a different matter.

As for saying my argument based on game mode is weak, it is only weak because you say so not because it is weak per se. It IS a conquest type game. The duelers and GvGers are akin to kids playing hockey in the streets telling cars to stop shouting at them. I’m sorry, but the cars have a pretty valid point if they tell you to go play elsewhere.

Zenith.6403:

insanemaniac.2456:

but when you see someone standing around and not dying while enemies are present, you need to stop and ask yourself “whats going on here?”

- A match that is even doesn’t often happen. I’d wait for reinforcements too.

i think you completely misunderstood this statement.

insanemaniac.2456:

insanemaniac.2456:

10 times out of 10, those duelists will not poop on your game mode if you dont kitten with them and they are in fact nice people if youre lookin for new friends. cuz disrespectful kittenheads dont get duels, they get stomped.

- They poop on the gamemode that is WvW by breaking the expectation that you can trust your teammate to not betray you on the time of need. This is why sPvP is the game mode for them. There you can duel all you like without other people coming to interfere with your duels. I’m sure it’s not too hard to understand for you if you tried.

step out of your zerg and go solo a camp, you might realize thinking for yourself can help your server out more than spamming staff 1.

when you do, realize also just how dumb some people can be and that you should never depend on that guy off in the distance running toward you to do anything but get you killed. and if he wins the 2v3 for you, just be grateful he wasnt a fool.

lets try something else…
you know that you “allies” said rude things to you. did you look at/respond to say chat before engaging? during the fight? or only after you died? cuz people usually say HEY DUEL or something equivalent if you interrupt them, before getting rude. the single biggest thing you need to do in the entire game is make sure any random person is able to get thru to you when they need to. you can report and block them after they prove theyre idiots, but blocking them by proxy through willful ignorance takes the multiplayer out of MMO.

met.9653:

I have nothing agaist duellers, its always fun to watch when they got steamrolled by zerg

+1 dead

Duels are jokes and should be private since they’re never balanced.