Guild Wars 2

Came back to see the changes in wvw .. only to find out it’s now called zvz (zerg v zerg) .. it’s just gotten worse imo. I’ve tried looking for small group things to do but you just end up getting rolled by some mindless zerg .. and the best strategy is to stand in a ball .. seriously, who designs this junk?

If there were more than 1 or 2 other groups to actually pvp with I could understand but most of the time in small groups all you can really do is pve a yak or some whimpy guards at a camp. by the time you get a wall down theres a big zerg ball rolling your face into the ground. Just horrible.

I’d make suggestions but the forum is littered with good suggestions that seem to be completely ignored. Here’s hoping this is an Anet problem and not a NCSoft problem. :|

I Completely Agree with you OP %100. I’m feeling the same already and as for Intentionally Ignoring the good suggestions in the forums, it’s all Amusements to them. Obviously the Community voice comes in Last. Sadly many of us are still caught in their web of Delusions and Manipulations, and not forgetting Lies, are In-denial to see the Truth. I’m Glad you see it. Take Care…

It’s not like they can read a good suggestion and put it in game within the hour… these things take time. I’m really getting tired of all these impatient posters who want everything their way before they can refresh the page to see new posts…

If you don’t like the current state of WvW then don’t play it in it’s current state. Things change over time, try it again later.

As the poster above said, it takes time for updates to come out.

Also, zerging isn’t something ArenaNet has created. It’s the players choice to zerg or not to zerg.

If you’re also getting steam rolled when running as a small group, that’s your lack of skill, not any gameplay issue. I run with a guildy or two and we are very productive and what we do. And on SoR we have a teamspeak in which any SoR member can use, so coordination is there, in which small groups can take towers.

If the game is all zerg vs zerg, then that is your servers gameplay error, not ArenaNets. They’d have to overhaul their entire WvW in order to get rid of zerging, at which point these massive guilds would be dead.

Move down tiers. Lower tier zergs are not nearly as frequent and can be managed by small teams with good play.

The Zerg is an option, and the zerg is more like the servers Army. I love it. It is epic. It is WvW.

Want to run a small squad, go run in a small squad. Get in /map and form a small strike force.
I think there are already many people that have guilds that specifically focus on small strike teams, you just need to call out and find them or make your own.

It is not as if you can’t play that way on any of the current maps. It all boils down to choice.

check http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA
the lower tier you go, the less WvW will be

I can’t believe people still complain about this. If you don’t like it, change tiers or games. Don’t blame the devs for the actions of the players.

Burnfall.9573:

I Completely Agree with you OP %100. I’m feeling the same already and as for Intentionally Ignoring the good suggestions in the forums, it’s all Amusements to them. Obviously the Community voice comes in Last. Sadly many of us are still caught in their web of Delusions and Manipulations, and not forgetting Lies, are In-denial to see the Truth. I’m Glad you see it. Take Care…

You realize that most of the community doesn’t want to get rid of zerging right? Most of them want to disincentivize it to the point where it doesn’t have any massive advantage over small group roaming that doesn’t already have something to do with just sheer numbers.

For example the AOE cap of 5 but there being no cap to how many players can hit you, or say the fact that one person killing a yak earns 1 point for his server but 10 people killing a yak earns 10 points for the server.

If ignoring the community is the same to you as ignoring depraved individuals who post “i quit” threads to seek attention because their radical demands were not met well…we have nothing to discuss. I’ll just treat you like a madman.

Tobias Steele.2071:

I can’t believe people still complain about this. If you don’t like it, change tiers or games. Don’t blame the devs for the actions of the players.

Players capped aoes at 5? Players created a kitten downy system? Players created a wxp system that has 0 pvp bonuses?

Shared responsibility.

Ppl dont know, but they will say they know.

It’s not like they can read a good suggestion and put it in game within the hour… these things take time.

7 months.

“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”
Albert talking about zergers ><

T8 have a lot of ppl in the weekends too S:

Here you go, these are all post-patch in our t8 EU server
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqMIRceLdlE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX6_cqneEfw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpaGMqg_BTE

If you’re interested the guild is also recruiting.

I tend to agree. Zerging is the worst aspect of WvW. Now I don’t mind getting melted by a zerg because when something like that happens, it’s usually my fault for not getting out of there. What I hate is that the mindset of zerging is backwards. The game rewards players for balling up inside of enemy aoe attacks. You should punish players for standing in AOE under any circumstance.

If they just removed the aoe cap or even just upped it to 10 instead of 5, I think you’d see a lot more interesting gameplay that rewards actual intelligence and tactical play.

Vv W.7821:

It’s not like they can read a good suggestion and put it in game within the hour… these things take time. I’m really getting tired of all these impatient posters who want everything their way before they can refresh the page to see new posts…

If you don’t like the current state of WvW then don’t play it in it’s current state. Things change over time, try it again later.

What takes time? There isn’t anything they are WILLING to implement that will make WvW fun.

Anet encourages zerging for two big reasons:
1.AOE is limited to 5 ppl. This favors PVErs/zerglings.
2.Downed state.You can gank a group of 10 with your 5 and even with the AOE cap you down 8 people and they would all rez off a single npc guard or random mob close by. It also encourages zerging as they can rez each other.

I’m on T1 and there is no small group action. Anyone who tells you otherwise is someone who goes out, finds a small fight then gets rolled by a zerg back into his waypoint to repeat the same pattern all evening. Half the time you are running away from zergs and hiding.What kinda game is this?

The solution is very simple: remove the cap on AOE Damage but limit the AOE buffs to 5 max to prevent favoring zergs with zero skill.

WvW in GW2 is PVE. If someone tells you the majority of people like zerging that is 100% true..know why? Because the previous majority wanted the same..found it boring and left the game. So you have a new majority that favors it again and the same pattern will happen till people stop WvWing.

There is absolutely zero benefit from WvWing:
1.Zerging.
2,Badge rewards: Faster to farm the mats or do dungeon runs or craft etc.
3.No good skins and even if there were that is not enough to make people grind hours through zerging once they get bored with it.
4.Title rewards..yea..ok..have fun with zerging for a useless title that any zergling can achieve.
5.Abilities gained from WvW ranks: only affect NPCs and sieging. i.e.PVE. Yay..

Switch to anothe game if you want a challenge or semblance of open world pvp. Anet will never change this and hopefully Elder scrolls online won’t be carebearish as much.

you don’t like Zerg v Zerg and just want a small group to run around with… then ask where there is little action happening and go there. Or just do Some PvE to entertain yourself until the action dies down. But don’t complain because you are getting facerolled, enjoy it, see how long you can tank or see how many you can get before you die. Or join a server who is not in a crazy hard tier…

XII.9401:

I’m on T1 and there is no small group action.

I found your problem.

Grav.3568:

XII.9401:

I’m on T1 and there is no small group action.

I found your problem.

Small group action and T1 don’t go together.

I’d start trying in T4

Not saying I favor zergs or anything, so don’t take this out of context.

Large groups fighting doesn’t necessarily mean they are unskilled. The “standing in a ball” effect isn’t just due to aoe caps, it’s part of the trinity-less system.

In other games you have the tanks soaking damage while the healers, well, heal them and the others do their various other things like press attack macros. In this game everyone is somewhat of each tank/healer/dps/control. Moving together allows the use of combo fields and the sharing of boons and healing.

Removing the aoe cap wouldn’t limit zerging, it would just make fights end faster as whichever side got their aoe burst off first would win.

I’ve seen plenty of small teams who think they are playing some awesomely coordinated spec but really are just focus-fire gankers who specialize in cheese-derping lowbies and support builds on their way to bigger fights. I’ve seen plenty of humongo-zerg-hoardes with more coordination than many little gank squads, it goes both ways. It’s totally possible to be (or consider yourselves) effective with a small group of thieves and mesmers without even knowing how combo fields work, the same really can’t be said for large groups (if they plan to fight any coordinated groups their size anyway).

Other than skill lag due to technical issues, with culling gone, I find some of the big zerg fights to be quite strategic these days. Generally I tend to prefer small group combat, but often that ends up as me trying to save a few randomers from the 5 man gank squads, which I’m sure is fun for them, and makes them feel oh so coordinated and skilled.

tldr; Small groups don’t necessarily have more skill than large ones.

I’m on T1… There’s plenty of small group action. Just jump on your server’s team speak and don’t go near where the scouts tell you where the enemy zerg is. Or be the scouting party with you and your group fighting on the outskirts avoiding both yours and the enemies zerg. There’s no culling now so they won’t magically appear on top of you.

I don’t see how hard that could be.

cancel your subscription.. that’ll teach em!

djoeb.2053:

Came back to see the changes in wvw .. only to find out it’s now called zvz (zerg v zerg) .. it’s just gotten worse imo. I’ve tried looking for small group things to do but you just end up getting rolled by some mindless zerg .. and the best strategy is to stand in a ball .. seriously, who designs this junk?

If there were more than 1 or 2 other groups to actually pvp with I could understand but most of the time in small groups all you can really do is pve a yak or some whimpy guards at a camp. by the time you get a wall down theres a big zerg ball rolling your face into the ground. Just horrible.

I’d make suggestions but the forum is littered with good suggestions that seem to be completely ignored. Here’s hoping this is an Anet problem and not a NCSoft problem. :|

I click join heart of the mists. Theres no zergs there & you can pvp too :P

you could always make a zerg buster squad problem solved you know those 5-8 man groups that are 100% coordinated that they break the back bones of all zerg warfare got to remember its not called zerging for a reason almost 3/4 of a zerg is mindless tunnel vision drones (FOR THE SWARM!) and all that business.

This is called mass PvP for a reason, if you run small group you must be happy with dolyaks/camps/ninja and some other stuff, ofc you won´t dominate the map with such group…

For all the complaining about zergs, there are more people then ever doing WvW right now. To me that seems to show that Anet is actually listening to their community. Now I am not a fan of the 100 man zerg tower swapping that is happening right now, but that is more players fault. I like the fact that I can join the big zergs, and yet can still wander in small guild group of 3-8 when we want and have some purpose
No, we arent seeing the DAOC wandering elite group action but tuth be told it seems that more people are looking for the big fights then this action. Also unlike DAOC, this game has a very even sPvP system for the all those players looking for 5 on 5 action to show thier skills off.
I’ll take even the giant zergs we have right now vs trying to turn WvW into sPvP type enviroment

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