Guild Wars 2

Some long-needed buff or nerf has been applied!

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in PvP only

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Because pvp is essentially beta test and the balance is completely different there and so not all changes can be added to WvW copy paste not hard to see that, stats are completely diffferent, gameplay is completely different etc…..

Don’t worry fam. Anet needs to test the impact those WvW nerf may have over there in PvP before they can be implemented in WvW.

The specific nerf to purge gyro in PvP only was desperately needed.

That thing is wicked and everyone runs with it.

I like the bit where they nerf a skill and add a new effect to change its functionality, but the nerf doesn’t get into WvW…so everything just becomes more powerful.

I guess I really needed to have poison as well as 2.5 seconds of immobilise from my automatic snare trait.

Agreed. Except perhaps warrior, things have been buffed. We do not need things to be buffed. WvW suffers from already too much CC and most importantly too much condi.

I was literally about to make a thread with this title, lol.

Anet

True Shot: The recharge of this skill has been increased from 4 seconds to 6 seconds in PvP and WvW.

That’s the only change that mentioned that it also applied in WvW. Other changes, like Warrior’s headbutt, were universal. The bulk of everything was PvP only.

I’m curious as to why they changed True Shot for WvW as well but didn’t change all the rest of the things. Was it an accident? Is there some master plan? I don’t think we’ll ever know…

I don’t get their thought process, but then again wvw is and has been on life support for a long time.
Most changes are “in pvp only”, that’s kittened. Ty for nothing, yet again.

That one matters little, there is so much projectile resistance thrown around that the bow is weak as it is. I stopped using it long time ago in WvW cause you cannot have a weapon that will just not hit the target at all in most zerg fights. Wall of reflection was even buffed now, so nope.

and yet there were many nerfs that were across all game modes….i dont think ANET is being methodical with the “lets beta test in PvP first”

The problem I see with the update is that there was only one instance where WvW was specifically mentioned.

Necromancer
Our biggest focus in this iteration for necromancers was that of Epidemic, in that its impact is too instant in most PvP scenarios, as well as its heavy toll on our servers.

It seems to me that if the sudden condition transfer from one skill taxes the server, what happens in WvW when one zerg hits another zerg and every skill adds a condition?

A three way fight in SMC caused lag in WvW years ago, before epidemic was meta.

Should the WvW version of skills have less conditions to improve WvW server performance?

Sviel.7493:

I was literally about to make a thread with this title, lol.

Anet

True Shot: The recharge of this skill has been increased from 4 seconds to 6 seconds in PvP and WvW.

That’s the only change that mentioned that it also applied in WvW. Other changes, like Warrior’s headbutt, were universal. The bulk of everything was PvP only.

I’m curious as to why they changed True Shot for WvW as well but didn’t change all the rest of the things. Was it an accident? Is there some master plan? I don’t think we’ll ever know…

That garbage trueshot change only hurts DH roamers/havoc squad and doesn’t affect zerg play whatsoever. Meanwhile rev hammer 2…

as said in my thread, the problem is: nerfs (pvp only), while other skills got boosted to compensate for this nerf (world wide). Great eh? Enjoy WvW…

Swamurabi.7890:

Should the WvW version of skills have less conditions to improve WvW server performance?

Yes, please, by all means.

~ Kovu

Swamurabi.7890:

The problem I see with the update is that there was only one instance where WvW was specifically mentioned.

Necromancer
Our biggest focus in this iteration for necromancers was that of Epidemic, in that its impact is too instant in most PvP scenarios, as well as its heavy toll on our servers.

It seems to me that if the sudden condition transfer from one skill taxes the server, what happens in WvW when one zerg hits another zerg and every skill adds a condition?

A three way fight in SMC caused lag in WvW years ago, before epidemic was meta.

Should the WvW version of skills have less conditions to improve WvW server performance?

The same is said about boons.

I’ve been saying this for a while because it was commented on by ANet programmers years ago, but server lag is pretty much entirely caused by effect and ability spamming (especially passive boons and condis) in ZvZ scenarios.

When we see cuts to mass condi application, mass boon application, and extended passives (which often apply these), the server lag issues will be mostly fixed.

Yet again, the problems lie in profession design.

DeceiverX.8361:

Swamurabi.7890:

The problem I see with the update is that there was only one instance where WvW was specifically mentioned.

Necromancer
Our biggest focus in this iteration for necromancers was that of Epidemic, in that its impact is too instant in most PvP scenarios, as well as its heavy toll on our servers.

It seems to me that if the sudden condition transfer from one skill taxes the server, what happens in WvW when one zerg hits another zerg and every skill adds a condition?

A three way fight in SMC caused lag in WvW years ago, before epidemic was meta.

Should the WvW version of skills have less conditions to improve WvW server performance?

The same is said about boons.

I’ve been saying this for a while because it was commented on by ANet programmers years ago, but server lag is pretty much entirely caused by effect and ability spamming (especially passive boons and condis) in ZvZ scenarios.

When we see cuts to mass condi application, mass boon application, and extended passives (which often apply these), the server lag issues will be mostly fixed.

Yet again, the problems lie in profession design.

Yes absolutely, for both conditions and boons. First of all, the spam makes for completely mindless play. It takes a lot of fun and skill out, since these are just kitten out by professions now.

Secondly, it would go a very long way towards reducing lag, especially in WvW zerg fights. Less condi and boon spam means less things to check each tick. While the actual impact is yet to be seen, it will directly reduce server load, which will reduce lag.

Thirdly, the spam needs to be reduced because its bad balance plain and simple. A lot of skills are doing too many things at once. Skull grinder was a great example of this, it dealt decent power damage, applied 4 conditions at once (and 4 stacks of the damaging ones to boot), dazed for 1 second, and was a finisher. And all of that on a 3 second CD when traited. That was way too much from one skill. (Personally I still think it does too many things, daze, power damage and 4 conditions all applied at once is still a lot more things than most skills in the game do, but its in a much better spot than it was pre-patch). Skills should be doing 1 or 2 things, and then can be traited to doing 3, maybe 4 things (though this should require an entire traitline dedicated to it. Should never, ever be baseline or require just a single major trait).

Swamurabi.7890:

The problem I see with the update is that there was only one instance where WvW was specifically mentioned.

Necromancer
Our biggest focus in this iteration for necromancers was that of Epidemic, in that its impact is too instant in most PvP scenarios, as well as its heavy toll on our servers.

It seems to me that if the sudden condition transfer from one skill taxes the server, what happens in WvW when one zerg hits another zerg and every skill adds a condition?

A three way fight in SMC caused lag in WvW years ago, before epidemic was meta.

Should the WvW version of skills have less conditions to improve WvW server performance?

Words of wisdom from an old sage living in seclusion analysing the WvW crisis. Praise the light (field) so we can hope and cure our condition problem (cancer).

Seriously, it would not hurt to tone down this cancer!

Let’s not forget that the more important boons/condis are, the more critical it becomes to quickly recognize that they exist. Right now, it’s nigh impossible to see what’s going on. Some effects have visual tells but when your opponent is sporting 8 boons, it gets sort of messy.

DeceiverX.8361:

I’ve been saying this for a while because it was commented on by ANet programmers years ago, but server lag is pretty much entirely caused by effect and ability spamming (especially passive boons and condis) in ZvZ scenarios.

When we see cuts to mass condi application, mass boon application, and extended passives (which often apply these), the server lag issues will be mostly fixed.

Yet again, the problems lie in profession design.

Yes I’ve been saying it for years yet they continue to bring in new boons and conditions. The right hand of anet doesn’t know what the left is doing.

In regards to server lag and the causes since it is mostly calculation workloads due to all the Condi and boom Spam, if they reduced the numbers across the board i.e. Stacks/durations/Defensive stats and damaging stats so all numbers are effectively lower then it should make the lag more manageable.