Guild Wars 2

Slightly dramatic topic title but the issue is a real one.

So in six weeks of having these random matchups, we have had
Rof vs Vabbi vs Fow (complete blowouts not fun for either side)
Rof vs UW vs Arb (UW had as many people as the other two combined)
Rof vs Ros vs Wsr (only proper matchup)
Rof vs Gandara vs Miller’s Sound (9 ranks difference, huge population gap)
Rof vs Vabbi vs Fow (complete blowouts not fun for either side)
- This is AFTER we had gained 50 rating by doing relatively good against miller’s and gandara…
Rof vs Gandara vs Drakkar Lake (again, 9 ranks difference)

It basically feels like arenanet is trying to make us all change servers so they can go to an 8 tier server. I can understand random matchups and everything, but we basically feel like Anet is trolling the living crap out of us.

I’d like to know how on earth this system is suppose to be any good if we keep getting these matchups? Rof is a healthy low tier WvW server but it seems someone wants to change that. These matchups have just taken the kitten and if you can’t get us more then one out of five balancaed matchups then feel free to go back to the old system.

There is a reason we are not in a T3-T5 server, because we don’t like blob fights and skill lag, so it would be nice if we wouldn’t be forced into these kind of matchups every other week. This goes for allot of the lower tier servers, we all hate your new system so lets learn from it.

Sorry Krosan but I think they are trying to kill not only RoF but whole World vs World.
If I use old Tiers.
T1- 6 ranks difference
T2 – 9 ranks
T3 -4 ranks
T4- 7 ranks
T5- 6 ranks
T6 -9 ranks
T7 – 9 ranks
T8 -5 ranks
T9 – 3 ranks (yes this one with Vabbi and FoW is always bad)

And only T1 is surprise. Rest of the fights already have a winner.
I think new system stabilized it or did not?

Agreed, we’d much rather be facing our BFFs AG and MS.

Im on RoF and this is horrible! We want the old match up back! Atleast i do… Alot more balanced

interesting question. maybe we can get a answer from a dev?

i think they try to kill all low server and atleast kill themself.

I have very easy solution for this situation. Just dont use “-” minus in RNG.
So every server will get RNG and matches will still shuffle. But will be limited for approx 200 points in rating.
There will still be possible to fights like Dzvs RoFvs RoS or Millers vs Fort Ratnick vs Augury Rock. But Gandara vs RoF vs Drakakrs will not be possible again.

And what is the best? Rating will matter. Now it does not. If you will have + or -, that matters.

Look at RoF. RoF had 1 297.759 rating. If we had bad draw, +200 point it will be 1 497.759
And now look at every server under 1500.
Fort Ratnick, GH, Underworld, Drakkars (only because they had bad macthup agains Pikens 8 ranks difference and probably they will have RNG more than 50points), and others.
If RoF win and gets 50 points of rating up. They will have possibility to face better enemies next week. But RNG will be in place and will not guarantie we will.

But devs dont care about us. Players. They need to create more things to gem shop and some PvE events to sell those items. They dont think about situation in WvW. Thats why we dont have any word from devs. Maybe in couple of weeks.(6 months i think), they will change matchups again.

Don’t blame Anet, blame the players. There was a system balancing servers before, doing its job, and the players called it ‘stale’ and ‘boring’.

Face it, players don’t want balance, they want to roflstomp every other week. This is precisely what this new system achieves.

No DO blame Anet. Its their stupid ranking system. It has allowed for screwy matchups, blowouts and such LONG standing matches that spies and 2v1 alliances have gotten worse then ever. 1 up 1 down, make it simple, 1 up 1 down, make it fresh every week, 1 up 1 down, give players something solid to fight for in wvw. 1 up 1 down.

One up one down is a bad idea which has been pointed out so many times. Not sure why RoF is complaining as much though, they seem to be doing pretty well against servers with a higher rating and should be proud of that. Getting put in t9 sucks, but that goes for any server who’s unlucky enough having to face Vabbi and FoW, and it’s more of a problem with t9 itself than the matchup system.

Ahh we are proud we are doing good. But face the reality. We are doing good because Gandara and Drakkar are fighting themselves. If they want our tower they just need to come with 40 people.And they have these numbers.

Okaishi, how did you liked battle against Augury Rock? You had only one week against stronger enemy. One week against Ros and Ratnick. Other weeks you dominate.But never as much as AR stomped you. So you can call it nice matchups. RoF did not have that luxury.

And I suggested better idea than 1up1down. Just use possitive numbers in RNG. In this there wont be battles with 9 ranks difference like now.

We got stomped hard against AR, but I still enjoyed it because in my opinion you can always make the best of a matchup (maybe with the exception of getting put in t9 against Vabbi/FoW). Part of the reason we got beaten so badly is because half of our server decided to take a PvE break before the matchup even, as things would be difficult, and they ended up making things worse. And you never got dominated as much as we did against AR.

But yeah, I agree they could narrow down the random roll a bit, but it’s still better than the old stale matchups. Facing Drakkar 10 weeks in a row for example is no fun, and even getting stomped by AR is a nice alternative from that.

cafard.8953:

Don’t blame Anet, blame the players. There was a system balancing servers before, doing its job, and the players called it ‘stale’ and ‘boring’.

Face it, players don’t want balance, they want to roflstomp every other week. This is precisely what this new system achieves.

This.
People kittened, cried and screamed like spoiled little brats about how ‘stale and boring’ it was to fight the same people over and over again.
They complained about it so much that Anet did something about it and addressed the problem by allowing a random degree of variance in who fights who every week.
Nobody is getting ‘trolled’ by Anet in their matchups. Random is random. If the coin keeps landing on tails, no matter how much you want it to land on heads, is the coin ‘trolling’ you?
The answer, kiddies, is no.

kittened if they do, kittened if they don’t…

ShinjoNaomi.1896:

cafard.8953:

Don’t blame Anet, blame the players. There was a system balancing servers before, doing its job, and the players called it ‘stale’ and ‘boring’.

Face it, players don’t want balance, they want to roflstomp every other week. This is precisely what this new system achieves.

The answer, kiddies, is no.

kittened if they do, kittened if they don’t…

Hasn’t anyone told you? Calling everyone kids to look cool on the internet got old around 2005.
They could always, you know, keep the randomisation in a smaller rank gap so servers don’t end up in a never ending cycle of ticking 650+ throughout the day or fighting outnumbered 3:1. Its something called balance which we had pretty well with servers like WSR, ARB, Dzag, Blacktide, GH and Ros. Sadly we have barely seen any of them since the new matchup system.

There is a difference between “Stale and Boring” and “Ridiculous”.

Arenanet are jumping from one extreme to the other and its quite alarming where these idea’s actually come from. Too many Guild Wars 2 cakes they love to post on Social Media outlets….

Surely, they can extrapolate from their servers a few key ingredients to make this work?

a) Average Population Per Week In WvW?
b) Average Population Per Day In WvW?
c) Queue Time?
d) probably other data that i can’t think of?

The Rating System is not the greatest system to be introduced to this planet, but for how much they get right in the aspects of the game, they get wrong in the implementation.

“A house is only as strong as its foundations”

Krosan.2890:

Hasn’t anyone told you? Calling everyone kids to look cool on the internet got old around 2005.

Then they should stop acting like impetuous little children. The truth hurts…
Not that I hold any semblance of hope for such a thing…

cafard.8953:

Don’t blame Anet, blame the players. There was a system balancing servers before, doing its job, and the players called it ‘stale’ and ‘boring’.

Face it, players don’t want balance, they want to roflstomp every other week. This is precisely what this new system achieves.

It is Anet’s fault for listening to forum whiners. If I never checked the official forums, I would never have known that there was a vocal group of people who dedicate their time to whining about “stale matchups” or having their glass cannon build destroyed by a glass cannon of a different class.

Gunnar’s get spanked every week by high-ranked servers, our evolution goes up. Great.

Dear Anet.

In less then a month there will be start of new WvW – Leagues. I seen somewhere that matchups in League will be not rng, but manually adjusted.
Can You try to manually adjust them before league will start?
Because there may be some serious stomps and blowouts when servers will not fight 10 ranks higher, but will fight against similiar opponents.

For example last 4 weeks RoF take barelly any points, we lost more than we win agains fighting servers 5 ranks higher and in now it is 5 weeks we fight higher servers.
And we are not last server in EU bracket. We have 6 servers behind.
If I count corectly, there will be EU Bronze league starting with rank 19 and end with server rank 27.
This week and in last 4 weeks we fought only once and only one server from our “predicted” bracket.
Our strength is only calculated of fights against rank 5 higher servers. Not actually against servers we will potentially meet.
Lets say You will try zero week of league. You should have some sort of mathematics how You will select matchups. You can do it now.
Just look on those matchups in last weeks.How do You like rank 1 vs rank 13?

And for those who will try to offend me that RoF and bla bla bla.
RoF is the only server in EU who have not fight lower rank enemy for 4 weeks and we are continuing with this “luck”. While it may be a change to get better, everybody know that coverage determines ranks. Not skill.

Understand the league system people.

For EU I think it is three leagues of 6?

basicly. Every week you will face off against another server. This will mean in this system you will face every other server at least once.

For NA this is extra bad since its 12 ranks apart.

So lets go worst case. You are rank 11 in your tier.

Week 1 vs rank1 server = blowout
week 2 vs rank2 server = blowout
Week 3 vs rank3 server = blowout
Week 4 vs rank4 server = blowout
Week 5 vs rank5 server = blowout
Week 6 vs rank6 server = blowout
Week 7 vs rank7 server = blowout
Week 8 vs rank8 server = blowout
Week 9 vs rank9 server = possibly decent match
Week 10 vs rank10 server = decent match

That is a MAJORITY of blowouts and a couple of decent matches.

There is no company on EARTH that thinks this is a good idea. There is motive behind it. Just gotta see the big picture.

3 leagues of 9

And this is why I wanted ANet to start new matchup system without actual starting of the Leagues.
2 resets left until League will start and they need to have some idea how to change matchups. So why dont they start now and make some “test matchups” ?

Because it doesnt matter.

Rank wont matter before the league cause you will have to face the other servers in your league ANYWAY.

And the population disparage is horrible with just a few ranks difference.

I still do not see why they don’t just do 1st place moves up, 2nd stays, 3rd goes down. You get varied matches but don’t have huge swings in matchups.

This does have its drawbacks, but I think it is far superior to what they have tried so far.

Well the system used to match the servers to the closest rank opponents it could, to create the most balanced matchups – people weren’t happy with facing the same servers repeatedly regardless of how balanced it was… complaining ensued, ANet changed the system. Now blowouts are more common but hey, at least it’s different opponents right?

Just gotta make the best of your matchups I’m afraid Krosan, the loud minority will always manage to suggest a new alternative that’ll be poorly thought out – then you can fight Vizunah

Keep in mind when Neandramathal says people complained…

A SMALL set of primarily the top 4-5 servers complained. Everyone else was still getting varied matches.

But since Anet devs are up on those servers (since they have NO CLUE what it is like on the lower tier) they wanted to make that a happier place.

move to a top tier server… or GTFO is basically their stance now.

Neandramathal.9536:

Well the system used to match the servers to the closest rank opponents it could, to create the most balanced matchups – people weren’t happy with facing the same servers repeatedly regardless of how balanced it was… complaining ensued, ANet changed the system. Now blowouts are more common but hey, at least it’s different opponents right?

Just gotta make the best of your matchups I’m afraid Krosan, the loud minority will always manage to suggest a new alternative that’ll be poorly thought out – then you can fight Vizunah

Fighting Vizunah wouldn’t make any difference to us always outnumbered always get blobbed against its just the way it is oh well no queues ever and for the past 10 weeks Ive not had to pay one armor repair

If we talk of RoF especially, another problem is that there doesn’t seem to be a server quite like RoF, and the rankings support this. Behind u is Blacktide (about 1,200 ranking) and FSP/Dzagonur are atleast 50k ranking points above you. So in a way, you are “alone” in your bracket. But if u look at it from a positive view, starting from October you’ll get to win your matches and u have 2 servers (PPTwise) better to test yourselves against. And do remember, it’s not all about points, since points are calculated mostly based on coverage. Try to enjoy the challenges presented when 2 groups of about equal size test their skills against each other. That’s really THE reason to play W3.

Ostra.3927:

Keep in mind when Neandramathal says people complained…

A SMALL set of primarily the top 4-5 servers complained. Everyone else was still getting varied matches.

Every complaint is a small set of people, who always believe they are the majority

6 weeks of kitten matchups. New world record made by Ring of Fire. Will we make 7 weeks? Lets find out next friday.
Timpsu: starting October, most of RoF wvw population will stop playing or transfer.
So we will be forced to build community again from the scratches. We will be vulnerable for first 2 weeks of League. Then maybe we will have people back agains in WvW.

Same is happening here Hule. Drakkar had a fair chance of competing in T2, but it just needed one major guild to leave to set the dominoes in motion.

Most WvW players will leave within the next two weeks. The lowest league will be too empty to provide serious gameplay value to players who chose WvW as their core activity in GW2. It’s as if you took out all but a few champion mobs and dungeon bosses would be for a PVEer.
WvW will only be visited for map completion and the odd daily.

Devon thinks leagues will somehow mobilize the players in those bottom 9/12 servers. But it won’t.

Saddening.