Guild Wars 2

Sagramor.7395:

I don’t fault WvW players for playing seasonal content (Halloween), farming to work on their Guild Halls, or even checking out the new PvE zones (especially since Notarized Scrolls have been temporarily removed). I do however fault the WvW players who aren’t playing WvW for any reason aside from those listed above (forgive me if I missed another legitimate reason). You’re only hurting your own game mode.

Oh ok. I was on for 3 hours the night before last in my home border roaming and found zero enemies. You want me to sit at spawn anyway? This helps the game mode?

ArchonWing.9480:

displayname.8315:

ArchonWing.9480:

Having more people isn’t going to change the fact that people have expressed they don’t like running longer distances or that t3 structures are now commonplace and trivial.

Yes it’s a fact that some people who bother to express themselves have complained. Others have complimented.

I’d rather talk about something concrete like making WvW a 24/7 multiplayer PvP game. A problem that has persisted since day1.

Nobody’s stopping you from doing that. I’m just not too sure what this has to do with my posts.

I added another misguided quote to my first post, yours was just the latest. Getting people to realize the real and persistent problem is what I attempt.

displayname.8315:

ArchonWing.9480:

displayname.8315:

ArchonWing.9480:

Having more people isn’t going to change the fact that people have expressed they don’t like running longer distances or that t3 structures are now commonplace and trivial.

Yes it’s a fact that some people who bother to express themselves have complained. Others have complimented.

I’d rather talk about something concrete like making WvW a 24/7 multiplayer PvP game. A problem that has persisted since day1.

Nobody’s stopping you from doing that. I’m just not too sure what this has to do with my posts.

I added another misguided quote to my first post, yours was just the latest. Getting people to realize the real and persistent problem is what I attempt.

“Misguided”? Sounds pretty disingenuous.

You seem to be passing off your subjective opinion as some kind of objective truth to be able determine when failing to point out any bias or inaccuracies beyond them not including what you have decided on your own is the most important problem.

I’ll just leave you to your own devices.

displayname.8315:

Simon.3106:

Not at all. I just signed off but like I’ve said many times before, the population is rising slowly and it did. It is more lively today than ever (after Hot release). Most of my guildies are doing pve contents and once they’re done, they’ll be back on wvw

ArchonWing.9480:

A lot of people are grinding elites, judging by….

• The random few that do have elite specs on WvW
• Me seeing WvW frequenters in the new zones
• Me actaully BEING in the new zones doing the same thing.
• People not being able to navigate the maps
• Add in Halloween and people are very spread out
• Leads to less people in WvW to actually play WvW to farm elites, leading to even more people going to PvE to do elites
• All kinds of bugs, like not even being to log in for extended periods of times
• WvW reset being on Saturday Night
• The Guild Buffs for WvW is completely new and also, Guild halls.

:S

With posts like these are we saying any time there is content added we should quit playing GW2 for at least a month?

Or are we just explaining the cause of the problem???

Srsly I think free transfer IS the solution. Free xfers while continuing to regulate populations as Anet is currently doing. Repeat anet is actively working to regulate populations.

I’ve read most of your post, displayname. You are just a negative person overall, but I’m sure you’ll grow out of it.

I never said we should quit for a month. I’m still playing WvW and so are many other people. Just because you don’t see as much people as you used to doesn’t mean that no one else is playing it. Transfer to medium-server Ehmry Bay (I know you wouldn’t) and see for yourself. DH and SF are putting up a great fight and swarms of them are still roaming around my scouts.

This isn’t just a simple new content like the Living Story. This is an expansion. During the first 2 months of Guild Wars 2 (not HoT) release, was WvW crowded as it was a month ago? I was there and I will tell you now, no it wasn’t. Most people were doing PvE, PvP, and few WvW. I walked around the entire map and didn’t found a single fight. The current WvW map is more crowded than it was during those first two months of Guild Wars 2 release.

Free transfer is the solution? I’m sure they would do that if you are willing to pay for their cost of maintaining their server. ANet is by far more generous than most company I’ve seen. They don’t make a dime out of GW1 besides when users purchases the game (Prophecy, Faction, Nightfall, Eye of the North), and yet they are still maintaining those servers, keeping them alive. Do you pay for those? No you don’t. Free transfer is not a solution, silly bear. =) You seem more like a cheapskate than anything. You probably own dozens of those free gw2 accounts.

Tiffany.8576:

It’s amusing. The other month people were up in arms because Mike O’Brien insinuated that very few people played the WvW game mode exclusively. Now when you ask where all the WvW players are, you’ll be told “they’re in PvE.” Guess he was right afterall.

Forcing players out of WvW doesn’t make him right lol…

Most of the WvW players I know, haven’t logged in since patch. And the ones who stayed, never leave PvP now. WvW is just PvE maps, not large scale warfare, and please don’t say flipping empty towers with 5 ppl makes it WvW, you’re still playing vs Environment.

But for lolz, you know what else was said months ago? That there is no room for GvG guilds and those who hang around on maps only fighting people, WvW would be better off without them and all that trash, but now they are gone there is only 3-5 people on maps haha

Tiffany.8576:

It’s amusing. The other month people were up in arms because Mike O’Brien insinuated that very few people played the WvW game mode exclusively. Now when you ask where all the WvW players are, you’ll be told “they’re in PvE.” Guess he was right afterall.

Actually people were “up in arms” because he avoided the question and gave a disingenuous “politicians” answer, in a rather patronising manner, he was asked about participation rates, he answered “people don’t play one thing”, which is not what the question asked or even implied.

A person who plays say 70% WvW, 20% PvP and 10% PvE, does not “play one thing”, but very clearly “one thing” is the main focus and reason why they play the game, if the girl asking the question was a little quicker / less nervous she would of put that point in response rather than engaging on the terms of his disingenuous reply.

Does’t really matter if it is dead or alive (great Oingo Boingo song btw) the new map x 3 is too large. They should have replaced EBG with the new map and leave the original borderland maps as is. That way the main movement and players are on the new map…

Be that as it may, after:

1. Halloween is finished
2. People are done, bored, frustrated of mastery
3. Crafting/making new stuff
4. Raids – when they pick up
5. Balance changes

WvW may pick up. I’d give it a few more weeks just to let the new content settle down. After that and the meta doesn’t pick up, I’d worry. Good news is that CU is due out mid 2016 if they hold true. If not, then later 2016. It is probably the only thing that may get WvW to have some much needed attention.

Otherwise it will be a ghost town.

Thanks Crapgame. I’ve been looking for that song.

I guess pretty soon going to die

Honestly i been play gw2 have 90% is spent on wvw , wvw rank 4500+ but from last years Anet , look like full focus on pvp , HOT pve , Anet look like not much to spent more time to communcation with wvwers , just make the team to run around the new map , check bugs .

I play gw2 3years because of wvw , other game is cant to make the like gw2 real war feel . pve , pvp i knew alot of online game , better than gw2 200% .

Sorry guys i say alot of kitten and my poor english .
right now Anet full focsing on pve , guild hall , i think they not much time to care about wvw . And we say anything i think Anet not to make big change on wvw .

ps. my guildies keep saying new wvw map boring -.-
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I’d like some explanations of what people want.

Let’s say the desert borderlands won’t go away (they really won’t since it’s a completely new map) so what changes would you like to it?

List please.

if now wanna have some change

1. Tower upgarde timer

T0 > T1 30mins change to 45mins ( Keep 60mins
T1 > T2 90mins change to 120mins ( Keep 150mins
T2 > T3 240mins change to 360mins ( Keep 480mins

( to make upgarde more longer let lower poplution server can play new bl ps. not is all T3 tower )

2. Set up new bl every colour max people from 80 change to 200-300
( yup i know maybe Anet server cant to let every server join alot ppl in wvw, but this
map need alot people to play can be make this map look good and fun )

3. Set up only on new bl , if this colour player on this map lower than 5 people , can
pay honor of badges to call out 5-7 Veteran guards with 1 apah golem to attack player choose this tower ( if choose attack the keep need 300-500 honor of badges )(choose small tower be 50-100) . because right now less people real hard to kill to lord .
( that things is saving for T6-T8 server and helping those server wvw players group up , because right now that commander npc need 5 people to active , like T6-8 server in new york 5:00 a.m. how to get 5 people to active that commander npc , andddd right now the lord is harder than before to kill is not nice to been hardwork on server dead timezone people )

4. if Anet can change new bl every keep from per 15mins
25 server wvw point > change to 35 server wvw point
( to make new bl important , tower contest is far but high wvw point , to make more people to take )

5. On main road set up more Barricades with sentry like the sentry station
( right now those Barricades is too less , cant to play alot strategy )

6. Set up more special skin and finnisher on wvw , PS. like FOTM , PVP , PVE
(to make more people to play wvw get the item we dont mind those item expensive )

I’d like some explanations of what people want.

Let’s say the desert borderlands won’t go away (they really won’t since it’s a completely new map) so what changes would you like to it?

List please.

Farzo.8410:

I’d like some explanations of what people want.

Let’s say the desert borderlands won’t go away (they really won’t since it’s a completely new map) so what changes would you like to it?

List please.

I think I already made nice combined list of current “bugs” for u to read. That topic shouldn’t be too hard to find.

WvW did not get any new items to farm for with Hot. All of the good looks skin were add to PvE not WvW. Few of the items in WvW are exclusive rewards to wvw.

Farzo.8410:

I’d like some explanations of what people want.

Let’s say the desert borderlands won’t go away (they really won’t since it’s a completely new map) so what changes would you like to it?

List please.

Replace EBG with new map.
Replace borderland maps.
Make new map entry point in the original borderland maps.
Move siege purchase and supply in the borderland maps.
Increase ruin timer
Allow gliding in new map

What these 6 things force is supply chain and personal movement. It provides a reason to enter and fight in borderlands. It allows choke points. It provides smaller populated servers area of denial. It allows ONE large map for people to focus on while sending smaller people, guilds, servers, solo roamers a place to scout and focus while larger guilds, groups, pugs in single map.

Supply chain, troop movement, etc.

Tiffany.8576:

It’s amusing. The other month people were up in arms because Mike O’Brien insinuated that very few people played the WvW game mode exclusively. Now when you ask where all the WvW players are, you’ll be told “they’re in PvE.” Guess he was right afterall.

He’s absolutey right and always has been. It’s not that black and white though.

PvX players certainly make up the bulk of the game’s base and they make up the bulk of WvW. However, this particular set of players does NOT command or organize for WvW anyway. They pop into WvW to check to see if there are any active commanders or guilds that they like to follow, if there isn’t they leave. They are 100% dependent on the dedicated WvW community.

By building the mode for them and ignoring the feedback of active WvW guilds, you’ve essentially rendered the place commanderless. Without leaders, there will be no followers. That’s why WvW sits dead now and will sit dead until you address the issues of the active WvW guilds instead of the PvX masses.

If you want to restore WvW to it’s glory and get commander tags back up on every map there’s two things you absolutely have to do:

1) Revert stability

This is a no brainer. Commanders get pulled, pin sniped, and killed three seconds into every confrontation right now. It’s impossible to command when you’re dead.

2) Disable Rally mechanics

This is the main reason commanders run untagged. One death can rally the entire enemy force. Guildmates can be accounted for if they die but random militia can’t. You’d find a significantly higher amount of guilds would be willing to tag up if bringing random militia wasn’t a detriment to their play.

Also, disabling rally would give smaller groups more incentive to fight larger ones. Sure they may not be able to wipe the entire force but they can pick off a few players here and there giving them some reward for their effort. It’s also possible that in highly contested fights closer to smaller force’s waypoints, they could win a war of attrition by killing off a few enemies here and there forcing them to run back across the map. Similar in effect to how waypoints in the garrison work now without the cheesy aspect behind it.

There are other things that could be done to get the active WvW guilds back into the zone but those two are the most important, until they are address, your zone will continue to sit there dead.

ArchonWing.9480:

You seem to be passing off your subjective opinion as some kind of objective truth to be able determine when failing to point out any bias or inaccuracies beyond them not including what you have decided on your own is the most important problem.

Truth is there all massive dead times in all tiers even the top ones. If you can’t see this without a list of data and numbers then please leave me to it. All I talk about is finding a way to get the people who want to play WvW together. Yes I’m one of them. I’ve never leveled a char up in PvE and never well. My PvE escapades are limited to running to the karma vendors for exotic gear and even that is done begrudgingly.

All your arguments about dead WvW seem to center around PvE and “waiting it out”. There have always been huge dead zones and this will not go away by “waiting it out”.

JQ had 3 maps queued 2 of the last 3 evenings. Seems to be thriving as people get their ES hero points earned and get to trickle back out of PvE and come enjoy the new maps.

Simon.3106:

I’ve read most of your post, displayname. You are just a negative person overall, but I’m sure you’ll grow out of it.

I never said we should quit for a month. I’m still playing WvW and so are many other people. Just because you don’t see as much people as you used to doesn’t mean that no one else is playing it. Transfer to medium-server Ehmry Bay (I know you wouldn’t) and see for yourself. DH and SF are putting up a great fight and swarms of them are still roaming around my scouts.

This isn’t just a simple new content like the Living Story. This is an expansion. During the first 2 months of Guild Wars 2 (not HoT) release, was WvW crowded as it was a month ago? I was there and I will tell you now, no it wasn’t. Most people were doing PvE, PvP, and few WvW. I walked around the entire map and didn’t found a single fight. The current WvW map is more crowded than it was during those first two months of Guild Wars 2 release.

Free transfer is the solution? I’m sure they would do that if you are willing to pay for their cost of maintaining their server. ANet is by far more generous than most company I’ve seen. They don’t make a dime out of GW1 besides when users purchases the game (Prophecy, Faction, Nightfall, Eye of the North), and yet they are still maintaining those servers, keeping them alive. Do you pay for those? No you don’t. Free transfer is not a solution, silly bear. =) You seem more like a cheapskate than anything. You probably own dozens of those free gw2 accounts.

Are you really using dead zones as a counter argument? My whole point is to stop dead times and get a true 24/7 WvW going. We should not be accepting huge dead times as just the price of doing business.

Transfer to Ehmry Bads is your answer? What about tier 1? What about all the other tiers and servers? Massive imbalance is not an answer.

Free transfer, lower transfer, whatever. Micro transactions and more profitable than macro transactions. Charging $25 to change a server when the real problem IS the server is just silly.

displayname.8315:

Simon.3106:

I’ve read most of your post, displayname. You are just a negative person overall, but I’m sure you’ll grow out of it.

I never said we should quit for a month. I’m still playing WvW and so are many other people. Just because you don’t see as much people as you used to doesn’t mean that no one else is playing it. Transfer to medium-server Ehmry Bay (I know you wouldn’t) and see for yourself. DH and SF are putting up a great fight and swarms of them are still roaming around my scouts.

This isn’t just a simple new content like the Living Story. This is an expansion. During the first 2 months of Guild Wars 2 (not HoT) release, was WvW crowded as it was a month ago? I was there and I will tell you now, no it wasn’t. Most people were doing PvE, PvP, and few WvW. I walked around the entire map and didn’t found a single fight. The current WvW map is more crowded than it was during those first two months of Guild Wars 2 release.

Free transfer is the solution? I’m sure they would do that if you are willing to pay for their cost of maintaining their server. ANet is by far more generous than most company I’ve seen. They don’t make a dime out of GW1 besides when users purchases the game (Prophecy, Faction, Nightfall, Eye of the North), and yet they are still maintaining those servers, keeping them alive. Do you pay for those? No you don’t. Free transfer is not a solution, silly bear. =) You seem more like a cheapskate than anything. You probably own dozens of those free gw2 accounts.

Are you really using dead zones as a counter argument? My whole point is to stop dead times and get a true 24/7 WvW going. We should not be accepting huge dead times as just the price of doing business.

Transfer to Ehmry Bads is your answer? What about tier 1? What about all the other tiers and servers? Massive imbalance is not an answer.

Free transfer, lower transfer, whatever. Micro transactions and more profitable than macro transactions. Charging $25 to change a server when the real problem IS the server is just silly.

Did you really just call out a server?

Pretty sure you know this but the only thing that is separating kitten Tn is wall clock coverage.

Edit: Let us try again. The only thing separating top tier servers, 1 – 3, and bottom tier through 24 is wall clock coverage first, and total population second.

displayname.8315:

ArchonWing.9480:

You seem to be passing off your subjective opinion as some kind of objective truth to be able determine when failing to point out any bias or inaccuracies beyond them not including what you have decided on your own is the most important problem.

Truth is there all massive dead times in all tiers even the top ones. If you can’t see this without a list of data and numbers then please leave me to it. All I talk about is finding a way to get the people who want to play WvW together. Yes I’m one of them. I’ve never leveled a char up in PvE and never well. My PvE escapades are limited to running to the karma vendors for exotic gear and even that is done begrudgingly.

What proof do you have beyond your own anecdotes that makes your viewpoint somehow more valid? What makes you think you could possibly speak on behalf of even a significant group of people and what they want?

All your arguments about dead WvW seem to center around PvE and “waiting it out”. There have always been huge dead zones and this will not go away by “waiting it out”.

I never said waiting it out was a solution. In fact, I don’t remember proposing a solution, but maybe I did… somewhere? Confusing correlation with causation is a problem, and my anecdotes were meant to draw out multiple possibilities.

And again, “truth” via ancedote can be quite subjective, as we have a counter example just below your post:

coglin.1867:

JQ had 3 maps queued 2 of the last 3 evenings. Seems to be thriving as people get their ES hero points earned and get to trickle back out of PvE and come enjoy the new maps.

ArchonWing.9480:

What proof do you have beyond your own anecdotes that makes your viewpoint somehow more valid? What makes you think you could possibly speak on behalf of even a significant group of people and what they want?

Do you see 3-4 maps queued on your server every single hour of the day? If not then my argument stands. If you do then ok chalk up 1 server as healthy, just 23 more to go.

Using coglin as an argument? Wow some dude plays a couple T1 primetimes on a notoriously overstacked server, sees a queue or two and all is better now huh?

displayname.8315:

ArchonWing.9480:

What proof do you have beyond your own anecdotes that makes your viewpoint somehow more valid? What makes you think you could possibly speak on behalf of even a significant group of people and what they want?

Do you see 3-4 maps queued on your server every single hour of the day? If not then my argument stands. If you do then ok chalk up 1 server as healthy, just 23 more to go.

Why is 3-4 maps queued every hour of the day, a strict definition of healthy; if that’s even possible or desirable?

The burden of proof is on you, not me.

Also, you didn’t answer any of the questions I asked. Nothing stands.

Using coglin as an argument? Wow some dude plays a couple primetimes and sees a queue or two and all is better now huh?

lol, I’m not “using” Coglin as an argument. How do you use a person for an argument, and why does it matter who’s posting the observation? I’m using an observation from coglin as a counterpoint. And from what I’ve seen these ancedotes are no less valid than anyone else’s.

Some facts to remember are also , new content and players trying to aquire new stats, and those that only fight empty maps when they were easy to pvd a gate alone.

in time wvw will be a good place.

Tiffany.8576:

It’s amusing. The other month people were up in arms because Mike O’Brien insinuated that very few people played the WvW game mode exclusively. Now when you ask where all the WvW players are, you’ll be told “they’re in PvE.” Guess he was right afterall.

I guess you could read that in to it, but reality is that they either don’t log in at all or log in to check if something changed and then log out 5 min later. So for me it is more amusing that you asume they all went to pve and did not even consider that they actually just don’t play

It doesn’t help that they released HoT and Halloween at the same time as the new Assassins Creed.

And Fallout 4 will be out soon too. I barely have time to eat and sleep, let alone play WvW :-)

Anet should have just given the borderlands a really nice facelift, some tweaks and additions and introduced most game rewards for badges of honor. I mean look, it’s going to take wvwers 10 years to get a set of those mist weapons…

Also, incoming blue megaserver vs red megaserver vs green megaserver…

Swagger.1459:

Also, incoming blue megaserver vs red megaserver vs green megaserver…

Fingers crossed. Would love a reason to log in.

They could even leave the old servers in place for people who can’t accept reality. Playing on dead servers gets old fast. Gold/Silver/Bronze leagues is cool and all and maybe could still for work for tournaments.

displayname.8315:

Fingers crossed. Would love a reason to log in.

They could even leave the old servers in place for people who can’t accept reality. Playing on dead servers gets old fast. Gold/Silver/Bronze leagues is cool and all and maybe could still for work for tournaments.

I’m currently on a T1 server and this has got to be the worst server I’ve ever been on. Be careful what you wish for.

Jana.6831:

displayname.8315:

Fingers crossed. Would love a reason to log in.

They could even leave the old servers in place for people who can’t accept reality. Playing on dead servers gets old fast. Gold/Silver/Bronze leagues is cool and all and maybe could still for work for tournaments.

I’m currently on a T1 server and this has got to be the worst server I’ve ever been on. Be careful what you wish for.

Guess you need to pony up another $25 and roll the dice… AGAIN. Working as intended?

Tiffany.8576:

It’s amusing. The other month people were up in arms because Mike O’Brien insinuated that very few people played the WvW game mode exclusively. Now when you ask where all the WvW players are, you’ll be told “they’re in PvE.” Guess he was right afterall.

Heyo! I’d like to introduce you to a guy – me! I am a hardcore WvWer! I exclusively played WvW during its heyday.
Due to a plethora of reasons, I have quit WvW (and thus GW2) in early 2014. I am not the only hardcore/exclusive WvWer who quit. Far from it. Guess who is mostly left now? Non-hardcore players, who only do WvW like 5% of their game time as a novelty thing. Because those who only did WvW have quit long ago because ANet does a p-poor job at WvW.

Seriously, you could have arrived at that yourself.

Jamais vu.5284:

Tiffany.8576:

It’s amusing. The other month people were up in arms because Mike O’Brien insinuated that very few people played the WvW game mode exclusively. Now when you ask where all the WvW players are, you’ll be told “they’re in PvE.” Guess he was right afterall.

Heyo! I’d like to introduce you to a guy – me! I am a hardcore WvWer! I exclusively played WvW during its heyday.
Due to a plethora of reasons, I have quit WvW (and thus GW2) in early 2014. I am not the only hardcore/exclusive WvWer who quit. Far from it. Guess who is mostly left now? Non-hardcore players, who only do WvW like 5% of their game time as a novelty thing. Because those who only did WvW have quit long ago because ANet does a p-poor job at WvW.

Seriously, you could have arrived at that yourself.

Always anets fault. Never the players. You’re part of the problem in my eyes. You quit close to 2 years ago yet still lurk the forums and spit out your hate towards anet and this game mode. I feel bad for new players that come to these forums. Forum is full of people that don’t even play anymore yet still hate on this game every second they can..

I was fine with this game mode never changing but NOOOOOOOOOO. People wanted changes and now will not adapt to any change. I saw this coming after the few test events we had and that was just temp stuff yet the rage in these forums was real.. Players is what is starting to ruin this game mode for me and nothing else..

The new pve content is actually challenging. Mobs there give me better fights than 99% of the players I run into in wvw. Plus they don’t nike away when they get below 50% health. Its no longer boring stack here and spam 1 to win. You would know all this if you actually still played then you might actually realize why wvw is so empty ATM.

briggah.7910:

Always anets fault. Never the players.

Um, yes? I did my best by making countless productive suggestions. Of course it’s their fault if they do nothing substantial to the game mode in three whopping years.
You may like by your own admission some static, unchanging game mode, like checkers or backgammon or something (even chess has had significant changes over the centuries), alright fine, I can understand that perspective. But there’s a reason WvW has been in a steady decline since last year, only accelerating with this xpac, leaving checkers guys like you alone. It’s because none of the core problems ever get addressed.

You quit close to 2 years ago yet still lurk the forums and spit out your hate towards anet and this game mode.

You must be even more inactive than me if it somehow escaped your attention that GW2 just got an expansion pac which are designed to make former players check the game out again.

The new pve content is actually challenging. Mobs there give me better fights than 99% of the players I run into in wvw. Plus they don’t nike away when they get below 50% health. Its no longer boring stack here and spam 1 to win. You would know all this if you actually still played then you might actually realize why wvw is so empty ATM.

Alrighty.

briggah.7910:

The new pve content is actually challenging.

No it isn’t, it is just marginally less faceroll than the normal open world PvE content, getting to a high league in SC2 is challenging, not rolling your face across the keyboard against the AI in GW2.

briggah.7910:

You would know all this if you actually still played then you might actually realize why wvw is so empty ATM.

WvW is empty because of neglect of the actual issues with the mode so it has been in decline for a long time, it had already reached an all time low in the last few months prior to the expansion, the idea that it will be bustling once some players come back from PvE, is laughable, if I look at the contacts/blocked lists on my accounts which mainly consists of WvW focused players, guess what the majority remain offline, they aren’t coming back for HoT, because essentially for WvW nothing meaningful has changed, a new map doesn’t solve a thing.

WvW was “dead” before the new expansion even hit, that some are in PvE is just an excuse.

Jamais vu.5284:

You must be even more inactive than me if it somehow escaped your attention that GW2 just got an expansion pac which are designed to make former players check the game out again.

Over 9k hours and close to 5k wvw rank. Yeah I barely play this game..

I didn’t know the point of xpac was to get grumpy players to come back. I payed for the new content to enjoy.

They took to long time to improve WvW, also atm lots of player migh left because game actually made them to think (a bit more), and they cant faceroll everything by tapping keys, i do remember guilds/pugs of 20-30 leaving my server bl if they found ~5 players defending, people dont like challange because it is an atrition to what they think they deserve…

This feels wvw is now what was supose to be (and looks it as alot to improve and be more fun, im still watting to see the charr panzer in action), apart the lack of players wich migh get fixed when every one farmed their new gear, other way is to make some gears avaliable on WvW so we can get back to it asap :P

WvW is dead because the meta remained unchanged for about a whole year.

If you’ve been playing long enough, you could have seen the shift over the past year where players went to the zone actually looking to fight to going there to follow a “commander” to take the same objectives over and over and over and over with no opposition.

HOT way took too long to drop, and I really don’t see WvW popping off again, but I hope I’m wrong.

EDIT: In both WvW and sPvP game modes updates have been too few and it shows.

JayAction.9056:

WvW is dead because the meta remained unchanged for about a whole year.

If you’ve been playing long enough, you could have seen the shift over the past year where players went to the zone actually looking to fight to going there to follow a “commander” to take the same objectives over and over and over and over with no opposition.

HOT way took too long to drop, and I really don’t see WvW popping off again, but I hope I’m wrong.

EDIT: In both WvW and sPvP game modes updates have been too few and it shows.

I actually think that the changes made to gameplay had a huge cause in this – “stability”.
Wvw is frustrating, no matter what – mistakes happen, trolls are around, bugs are around, lags are around – all of this takes its toll. I’m not sure if people really wanted new maps (I didn’t – but I’m okay with them) or if they wanted fixes.
So yes, it has been ignored for too long and the devs seemed to be out of touch with what wvw really needs/needed.

Jana.6831:

JayAction.9056:

WvW is dead because the meta remained unchanged for about a whole year.

If you’ve been playing long enough, you could have seen the shift over the past year where players went to the zone actually looking to fight to going there to follow a “commander” to take the same objectives over and over and over and over with no opposition.

HOT way took too long to drop, and I really don’t see WvW popping off again, but I hope I’m wrong.

EDIT: In both WvW and sPvP game modes updates have been too few and it shows.

I actually think that the changes made to gameplay had a huge cause in this – “stability”.
Wvw is frustrating, no matter what – mistakes happen, trolls are around, bugs are around, lags are around – all of this takes its toll. I’m not sure if people really wanted new maps (I didn’t – but I’m okay with them) or if they wanted fixes.
So yes, it has been ignored for too long and the devs seemed to be out of touch with what wvw really needs/needed.

if it was to that, all we needed was a square plain map to blob colliding, the one that splashed more water would win(gor sure groups would try to abuse in some sorta bring more class X to win and call best gvg, wich imo is a insult to the older game), i dont think that would be a decent game either…

Like i said it before, in the old BL some groups only attacked if BL was empty, and leaved at minor resistance just because they would take longer time a bit of more effort, this is the groups that actually are missing at WVW, and i actually dont mind with it.
Also EOTM made players being even more cheaper and wanting everything delivered reason they dont do wvw and spend more time leeching than playing decently.

Delete EOTM, reducate players if that is even possible and wvw gets fixed.

Aeolus.3615:

if it was to that, all we needed was a square plain map to blob colliding, the one that splashed more water would win(gor sure groups would try to abuse in some sorta bring more class X to win and call best gvg, wich imo is a insult to the older game), i dont think that would be a decent game either…

Yes sure, as the already existing maps are and were “just plain terrain” so fixing bugs would automatically lead in everybody just wanting “plain terrain”. shakes head
Are you sure you played wvw?

Uuuuugh… Saturday reset (already hate this instead of friday), roaming around our home border for an hour and all I can say this this:

Anet you’re breaking my heart.

The map is so beautiful and so detailed, yet its all being completely wasted. Thrown out the window due to a choice in design to make everything too big and poorly placed. A couple of more resets like this and WvW will be dead. Our largest border zerg went to EoTM instead within 15 minutes. We capped enemy garri, academy and that was it. That’s how freaking bad it is. EoTM! Just to find people to fight, sigh. 70+ man queue on EB, no borders queued. An enemy zerg capped our home border NW/NE towers within maybe 20 minutes of reset, guess what their status was after 1 hour? Yep, still capped. No one could even cap them back. Our two towers closest to spawn on our home border with little opposition there after they capped them. On bloody reset night.

All the “there’s new PvE maps” convenient forget that there’s also a new WvW map. Yet there’s pretty much zero interest in it. Not a good sign.

Jana.6831:

Aeolus.3615:

if it was to that, all we needed was a square plain map to blob colliding, the one that splashed more water would win(for sure groups would try to abuse in some sorta bring more class X to win and call best gvg, wich imo is a insult to the older game), i dont think that would be a decent game either…

Yes sure, as the already existing maps are and were “just plain terrain” so fixing bugs would automatically lead in everybody just wanting “plain terrain”. shakes head
Are you sure you played wvw?

I don’t think u fully understand what i have told, my english isn’t that good either, but when i see Anet improving the map and people complaining that all they want is fight when Anet releases a more elaborated map does not make sense, it is easily to assume that what those posts meant are a request for a plain square were people fight w/o stuff they call “pve elements”.
The plain square map was a joke for those wvw who say they want to fight and got mad about the new map.

1 hour to ceash game 3 times !!! really really disappointing and sucks
and new wvw map just like EOTM, no wvwers wants go to there

briggah.7910:

Jamais vu.5284:

Tiffany.8576:

It’s amusing. The other month people were up in arms because Mike O’Brien insinuated that very few people played the WvW game mode exclusively. Now when you ask where all the WvW players are, you’ll be told “they’re in PvE.” Guess he was right afterall.

Heyo! I’d like to introduce you to a guy – me! I am a hardcore WvWer! I exclusively played WvW during its heyday.
Due to a plethora of reasons, I have quit WvW (and thus GW2) in early 2014. I am not the only hardcore/exclusive WvWer who quit. Far from it. Guess who is mostly left now? Non-hardcore players, who only do WvW like 5% of their game time as a novelty thing. Because those who only did WvW have quit long ago because ANet does a p-poor job at WvW.

Seriously, you could have arrived at that yourself.

Always anets fault. Never the players. You’re part of the problem in my eyes. You quit close to 2 years ago yet still lurk the forums and spit out your hate towards anet and this game mode. I feel bad for new players that come to these forums. Forum is full of people that don’t even play anymore yet still hate on this game every second they can..

I was fine with this game mode never changing but NOOOOOOOOOO. People wanted changes and now will not adapt to any change. I saw this coming after the few test events we had and that was just temp stuff yet the rage in these forums was real.. Players is what is starting to ruin this game mode for me and nothing else..

The new pve content is actually challenging. Mobs there give me better fights than 99% of the players I run into in wvw. Plus they don’t nike away when they get below 50% health. Its no longer boring stack here and spam 1 to win. You would know all this if you actually still played then you might actually realize why wvw is so empty ATM.

I couldn’t agree more. Seems so odd to me that folks swear up and down that the quit and don’t play, yet post things on the forums, claiming to know what is going on in game.

Not only that, but my experience suggest he is wrong as well. I see literally hundreds of players throughout the week, that are hard core and have been around since release. I am not suggesting things are full, and all is divine. But I certainly do not see the sky falling.

I see very many trickling g back into WvW, but my friends list is full of players doing PvE because it is more effecient for the elite spec.

There all in PvE… that is what everyone keeps saying. Log into YB 22 hours out of a day and outmanned on every map with no commander in sight. Same was true for FA just before I left last week. I was in 12 hours ago and not a single map chat was made for two hours on EBG.

I have never seen it this empty and I have played on some pretty low tier servers.

The new WvW maps are aweful. It is like trying to force WvW diehards to play PvE. And so those WvW players no longer want to play the game.

Everytime there is new things put in to the game we see about half of the people who usually play wvw gone to pve. I have never during 3 years seen the borders so empty as now and it can not only be new stuff and halloween. Not even my most hardcore wvw friends are playing and all that I have talked to find the maps too big and boring.
If the old maps dont come back I am will go start to look for a new game.

I think alot of it also has to do with players that have alts being a bit upset that the scrolls are soulbound.

We got used to being able to play one player and gain skill points for all our characters. We got spoiled. I know for myself that I made several alts knowing that I wouldn’t have to grind skill points for all of them. Now I’m staring at the grind for HP to enable the elites on my alts. That grind is intimidating, especially for my Rev. I really can’t see doing the story on all my characters, and once I resign myself to this I will happily WvW on my Reaper or Scrapper. Until then I’m beating my head into a wall trying to get a Herald.

Kaiser.9873:

Now I’m staring at the grind for HP to enable the elites on my alts. That grind is intimidating, especially for my Rev. I really can’t see doing the story on all my characters, and once I resign myself to this I will happily WvW on my Reaper or Scrapper. Until then I’m beating my head into a wall trying to get a Herald.

You only need 3 PvE masteries (glider, updraft and shrooms), then you can get 200+ hero points in a couple of hours (thats without doing the story). Gonna take longer to get them the first time, after that its easy. Its not really such a grind is it?

Anet are quick to fix PvE anyway, if you find it hard just complain in the general forum and it’ll be nerfed within days. WvW on the other hand… well that will remain broken.

CD/MAG/SBI..

Tonight was a fairly good reset, to be honest.

There were fights to be had, albeit the new borderlands were not as stacked as they were pre-HoT but that will grow. The biggest problem my guild (and I’m assuming the Bad Guys guilds) had was the server instability causing crashing and disconnects.

People are slowly and reluctantly coming back to WvW, and , in my humble experience, not finding quite the Boogieman they thought it was.

I know some of the new keeps, towers etc are a bit clunky to deal with, and some of the mechanics (auto upgrades) are strange and OP, but the maps are basically the same, a little bigger yes, but the same.

As a long time WvW-r I know we’ll get past all the glitter and party ribbons to get back to the core of what WE want which is large scale PVP.

Just my opinion:)

coglin.1867:

briggah.7910:

Jamais vu.5284:

Tiffany.8576:

It’s amusing. The other month people were up in arms because Mike O’Brien insinuated that very few people played the WvW game mode exclusively. Now when you ask where all the WvW players are, you’ll be told “they’re in PvE.” Guess he was right afterall.

Heyo! I’d like to introduce you to a guy – me! I am a hardcore WvWer! I exclusively played WvW during its heyday.
Due to a plethora of reasons, I have quit WvW (and thus GW2) in early 2014. I am not the only hardcore/exclusive WvWer who quit. Far from it. Guess who is mostly left now? Non-hardcore players, who only do WvW like 5% of their game time as a novelty thing. Because those who only did WvW have quit long ago because ANet does a p-poor job at WvW.

Seriously, you could have arrived at that yourself.

Always anets fault. Never the players. You’re part of the problem in my eyes. You quit close to 2 years ago yet still lurk the forums and spit out your hate towards anet and this game mode. I feel bad for new players that come to these forums. Forum is full of people that don’t even play anymore yet still hate on this game every second they can..

I was fine with this game mode never changing but NOOOOOOOOOO. People wanted changes and now will not adapt to any change. I saw this coming after the few test events we had and that was just temp stuff yet the rage in these forums was real.. Players is what is starting to ruin this game mode for me and nothing else..

The new pve content is actually challenging. Mobs there give me better fights than 99% of the players I run into in wvw. Plus they don’t nike away when they get below 50% health. Its no longer boring stack here and spam 1 to win. You would know all this if you actually still played then you might actually realize why wvw is so empty ATM.

I couldn’t agree more. Seems so odd to me that folks swear up and down that the quit and don’t play, yet post things on the forums, claiming to know what is going on in game.

Not only that, but my experience suggest he is wrong as well. I see literally hundreds of players throughout the week, that are hard core and have been around since release. I am not suggesting things are full, and all is divine. But I certainly do not see the sky falling.

I see very many trickling g back into WvW, but my friends list is full of players doing PvE because it is more effecient for the elite spec.

Don’t forget the insane amount of threats about quitting every time something happens, and then you see the same people threatening to quit for years. This seems to happen a lot in the class specific forums more, and I am like “Wow, have you rerolled or quit yet?”. Heck, I was bitter towards necros for the longest time and would express stuff, but I’ve moved on, and apparently the reaper has finally brought things to a better place.

It’s sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy of some sorts. Basically, one can’t resolve matters and they come back from time to time to go “I told you so!”. This can be seen in a number of posts that are merely to vent and not to give feedback.

There’s just so many examples of myopic vision that centers from within one’s own biases with a number of absolutist statements that have no real way of verifying An example would be with WvW achievements, exclaiming the reduction is a bad idea because it’s apparently too easy but without considering a quick look at other achievements and one could see that it’s more of an issue of consistency and comparability— so it is very hard to take those opinions seriously. From the other extreme, we can see in the 400 vs 250 Hero point for elites debate that some people who don’t play WvW at all just simply argue strictly from a PvE perespective yet pretend WvW doesn’t exist despite the effect it has on it and dismiss any possibility things could possibly be different on this end.

And then this leads to very black and white thinking of defining whoever’s a real WvW’er and who’s not and this rather laughable exaggeration of self-importance. Of course, nobody will doubt the importance of dedicated players, but when it becomes an “us vs them” situation, then I’m certainly very unsympathetic to those with that kind of elitist attitude towards so called non-hardcore players or whatever. and then people complain WvW is empty? Duh….?

Again, this goes beyond agreeing or disagreeing with the state of the quality of the game, and I certainly think there’s any number of issues to discuss, but definitely, I am of the mindset that if one is just here to be salty then they’re just part of the problem— so I agree with Briggah here. I am here because I’m a WvW’er, I like WvW, and like a number of WvW’ers I’m too stupid to quit despite the odds. How many people can have that excuse though?