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Found something interesting today: YB WPed and fortified everything even the spawn towers and garrison on HoDBL. It’s only Saturday, and HoD garrison has been in the hands of YB for 2/3 of the match… did HoD collapsed overnight? What’s the story? there’s been a couple of HoD showing up on JQ that I’ve seen.

Seriously, not even after SoR’s mass exodus, no T2 T3 servers made an effort to hold and upgrade SoR garrison seriously. Isn’t it the standard courtesy to let servers take their garrison back eventually?…lol like not after a weekend hopefully

matchup thread

But before it gets closed, yes HoD imploded.
That’s the thing about imploded servers, there’s no one to recap garrison in the first place.

Oh and there’s a reason why Yak’s Bend is the most hated NA server.

Deli.1302:

matchup thread

But before it gets closed, yes HoD imploded.
That’s the thing about imploded servers, there’s no one to recap garrison in the first place.

Oh and there’s a reason why Yak’s Bend is the most hated NA server.

You mean Siege’s Bend right?

Kaamau.5341:

Deli.1302:

matchup thread

But before it gets closed, yes HoD imploded.
That’s the thing about imploded servers, there’s no one to recap garrison in the first place.

Oh and there’s a reason why Yak’s Bend is the most hated NA server.

You mean Siege’s Bend right?

R-O-F-L

inb4delete but, yeah.

The last week of the tournament YB swore they’d hold HoD garrison for the entire week. It took us 2 days to get it back and 3 days to get bay back. And that was when we had the numbers to do it! They even had a (temporary?) guild with the tag GARI, named “We Have Your Garri” or something of the like. Seriously, they can’t walk 10 feet without dropping siege. Take a camp? Well, TIME TO BUILD 2 BALLISTAS AND AN ARROW CART.

HoD will not be seeing our garri or any of our keeps for the rest of the week. That’s the gist of it.

Just before the inevitable lock…

How is this a hate thing?? Our commanders (and players) sacrifices their sleep/health to stay awake at night and upgrade enemy structures. How is that against the rules or unfair? If you want it back, we won’t let it go without a fight, we will defend no matter what. Nowhere Anet said we aren’t allowed to build siege for defense.

And LOL at the ppl bashing us for building siege. If you have a problem ask Anet to remove siege totally from the game. If the game allows us to use AC/Ballista for defense, we will definitely use it. No need to Q_Q

YB pretty much sieges up everything. They sieged N camp in HoD BL with 4 ballistas and 3 ACs along with about 10 players. Then they proceeded to farm pugs that came to flip the camp. This went on for hours and is probably going on now.

Now imagine what they do to a WP keep.

As for HoD… the server had an average of 15-20 players on all maps all day Saturday. Orange swords and even a commander were somewhat unusual. I think they have returned to high Bronze populations.

Once when i sat down to take YB`s garrison, i had to destroy 9 assorted super and regular AC around the N inner gate alone. That wasnt including the three trebs they had on top of the lords room with more ACs etc… it took me about three hours, but i finally broke a YB T3 keep. Siege is like cocaine to them.

The real thing to laugh at is to pretend YB is the only server that sieges up what they own. Everyone sieges their stuff up, and if you think YB is the worst then you’ve never fought JQ or TC.

So sometimes i defend our keep in EotM alone whole 4 hours. Little bit harder than defend some garrison in empty borderlands.

Yeah, don’t ever let YB waypoint your gari.

As for HoD, it couldn’t have been all transfers that made you all the powerhouse of Season 2. Must’ve been PvE’ers coming out too. Yall need them to get back in the game.

Deli.1302:

matchup thread

But before it gets closed, yes HoD imploded.
That’s the thing about imploded servers, there’s no one to recap garrison in the first place.

Oh and there’s a reason why Yak’s Bend is the most hated NA server.

I do not see a matchup thread. This is contructive as heck.

I see a serious issue that needs attention – soon.

“Matchup” this isn’t – this is about the numbers on a server dropping so far that the game engine has no idea that it needs to drop the server much farther down the list than it presently IS.

Please Anet – this is not about “matchup infighting” this is about a server that is now 1/2 of what it was or less and is losing more WvW players instead of being able to get more into WvW. Can’t do that when all one is doing is walking back from dead most of the day.

This isn’t a complaint, this is a plea, please put HoD and all servers where they can compete.

Johje Holan.4607:

Yeah, don’t ever let YB waypoint your gari.

As for HoD, it couldn’t have been all transfers that made you all the powerhouse of Season 2. Must’ve been PvE’ers coming out too. Yall need them to get back in the game.

I’ve been trying to tell Anet that no server can do what you are suggesting… Why? The megaserver.

We can’t “talk” to only our server now. No one can recruit from a central location now.

So only entrenched servers/guilds/maps will be “able” to compete for players – the megaserver effectively kills any way to recruit the players needed to fill the empty spaces.

Even with new players coming into the game, we have no way to contact them if they are in a “different” instance of “our” server (Lion’s Arch or…?)

Our BL is not blue – not once during the season did this happen unless it was “off time” pacific daytime.

Now it’s a 24/7 – we are in the wrong “place” in the tiers.

xeang.3650:

Found something interesting today: YB WPed and fortified everything even the spawn towers and garrison on HoDBL. It’s only Saturday, and HoD garrison has been in the hands of YB for 2/3 of the match… did HoD collapsed overnight? What’s the story? there’s been a couple of HoD showing up on JQ that I’ve seen.

Seriously, not even after SoR’s mass exodus, no T2 T3 servers made an effort to hold and upgrade SoR garrison seriously. Isn’t it the standard courtesy to let servers take their garrison back eventually?…lol like not after a weekend hopefully

The larger guilds who came to HoD on the “free” transfer – left.

The larger HoD guilds who have been here since day one are still here but that doens’t fill the hole that the exodus created.

When is Anet going to address the literal buying of guilds?

FA broke the HoD.
Rip 2014-2014

atheria.2837:

When is Anet going to address the literal buying of guilds?

Probably about the same time they address free transfers.

atheria.2837:

Johje Holan.4607:

As for HoD, it couldn’t have been all transfers that made you all the powerhouse of Season 2. Must’ve been PvE’ers coming out too. Yall need them to get back in the game.

I’ve been trying to tell Anet that no server can do what you are suggesting… Why? The megaserver.

Not true. Many servers can get PvE’ers back. The core of a server community typically have good relationships with each other. It is as simple as sending in-game mail to the leaders of a server’s PvE guilds and asking them to rally in WvW for a coordinated one-night push. Bandwagon servers don’t have that. Their core community is much smaller and overwhelmed by the mass of new players who don’t have relationships with each other. The only problem with megaserver in the situation of bandwagon is that it makes it harder to increase community, but please don’t make generalizations about other servers based on that.

Teej.9241:

The real thing to laugh at is to pretend YB is the only server that sieges up what they own. Everyone sieges their stuff up, and if you think YB is the worst then you’ve never fought JQ or TC.

Not just tc. But bg does siege 2. Jq is the yaks bend of t1.

Straegen.2938:

They sieged N camp in HoD BL with 4 ballistas and 3 ACs along with about 10 players. Then they proceeded to farm pugs that came to flip the camp. This went on for hours and is probably going on now.

Have you never done this to an enemy’s north camp? That’s nothing unique to YB. Setting up a farm like that is very old. Usually we’d add in rams and trebs too for the lulz.

Straegen.2938:

As for HoD… the server had an average of 15-20 players on all maps all day Saturday. Orange swords and even a commander were somewhat unusual. I think they have returned to high Bronze populations.

Dude, if what you saying is true, your server will be sitting at my side in a few weeks… Because even high bronze can field more than that.

NiloyBardhan.9170:

Just before the inevitable lock…

How is this a hate thing?? Our commanders (and players) sacrifices their sleep/health to stay awake at night and upgrade enemy structures. How is that against the rules or unfair? If you want it back, we won’t let it go without a fight, we will defend no matter what. Nowhere Anet said we aren’t allowed to build siege for defense.

And LOL at the ppl bashing us for building siege. If you have a problem ask Anet to remove siege totally from the game. If the game allows us to use AC/Ballista for defense, we will definitely use it. No need to Q_Q

Hey, there’s nothing wrong with what you guys did. It’s perfectly within the rules. It’s plenty annoying, sure, and you guys trolled the hell out of us when you took our garri during the tournament, but it’s fair play. You saw an opportunity and took it. Well done. And please, let your commanders get some sleep! They shouldn’t be sacrificing health and sleep to hold back our 20 man juggernaut, nobody should.

Anyway, a snippet I posted Saturday on the HoD forums about what happened:

me:

As stated in a previous thread, I commonly command in our BL late at night my time (CDT) to early morning. This is a sum of the events that occurred when I logged in at 1am:

1) Borderland wasn’t in too much trouble (we had our garri, it was T3, and fortified) but it was clearly disorganized, YB held our bay and hills, so I popped a tag and started pulling people together. We did great! Many thanks to everyone that was there to help, especially the Oceanic folks.
2) We took back every tower, every camp, except for SE. YB wanted to hold that camp and they were doing whatever they could to make sure that happened. Not much showing at all from BP; a few uplevels wandering into SWC looking for a solo cap/testing a build or whatever they were doing.
3) We pushed hard and took back bay with only ~10 of us. Before we could fortify, though, YB took it back and lazily didn’t sweep, leaving 5 of us sitting on top of the eastern plateau. I was a bit incredulous — this wasn’t YB’s style.
4) We had enough for one ram and quickly re-capped bay, and fortified it hard with superior siege along all gates. Cannons built, walls reinforced, mortars built, waypoint started. People were feeling good. We had another commander pushing hills, but they couldn’t get to inner — far too much siege and far too few numbers to counteract it. The general consensus was that once bay was good and fortified, we’d go for hills when the waypoint finished. At this point, we were ticking a solid 240 PPT. Things were going well.

Then something happened. The waypoint at bay finished, and 5 minutes later a 30-man BP zerg rolled out of SWC to south bay. We had no way to stop them. They got inside, destroyed every last bit of siege we had on outer, and then… left. We had every person in the map rallied at bay to hold them back, and it wouldn’t have been enough to stop them from capping inner. It didn’t make sense, until I looked at the map: our garri was gone. YB had taken it while we were fighting at bay. Nobody was there to call for help, nobody noticed that it had even been attacked until it was gone.

And herein lies our mistake: YB had been building Omegas in hills the entire time, and while we were preoccupied with BP at bay, calmly walked them all straight to garri and capped it. Another 30 minutes or so later, with BP pushing us at S and SW until we had no supply left anywhere to repair the gates at bay, I stood on the eastern gate and watched a 30-40 man YB zerg escorting 6 Omegas marching towards me. I was already getting to be a bit late to leave for work, and at that sight I just logged off.

I logged back in about 2 hours ago and the map looked pretty much as expected: BP’s borderland was red, YB’s borderland was green, our borderland was green, and we had a couple towers and camps in EB. I logged off to handle some personal business, and logged back in shortly before writing this post. I hopped into our BL only to find every single point capped and owned by YB; north camp alone had 20-30 people running and jumping in circles around it while a treb from somewhere unknown lobbed cows repeatedly into it. It was a joke. Seriously, if you value your sanity, don’t go to our BL right now.

Y U NO ATTACK BP YB?

Sure T1 servers spawn camps and siege camps a lot, and we’re cheeky enough to WP enemy EB keeps, their Bay and Hills.. but borderland garrison is a different matter, and the garrison of an imploding server is even more bad manner to upgrade?

SoR after imploding had some bad times, sometimes they got one three-men team left across all borderlands couple of hours into reset, but still taking back keeps without organized resistances. T2 and T3 back then could effortlessly WP SoR garrison and defend it if they choose to.

Just don’t see how it is honourable to kill off another servers WVW population like this. SoR and HoD were both servers that at once time can queue 3-4 maps on weekdays… sure their main WvW guilds transferred out… but not with full rosters and most of the pubs that made up the WvW populations just dies with the servers…

its just a real bad taste to see this being done to imploding servers.

I can’t speak for all my servermates, but I think what happened was that we focused the server which were more of threat to us. This is our first meeting since the season ended and naturally most Yaks considered HoD to be a much bigger threat than BP. But tbh, I had no idea that the bandwagoners betrayed ya’ll this early. I really feel sorry for your server (the original HoD’ers).

Although YB is probably by and large taking their revenge on players that didn’t bandwagon, bandwagon servers generally are not treated very well on their fall from grace.

I’ve been in similar situations, and your best option is to start havoc teams on their BL that take camps, towers, and keep tapping their keeps. If you can get enough on to run two groups doing this, do havoc on their BL and your BL.

Of course the reality is that it’s way easier to not play when things are really difficult, and it is really difficult to take a sieged keep from YB, or obtain gems to transfer to a new server that’s face rolling in their tier. This is why bandwagon servers invariably fall apart.

That’s the problem with bandwagoners. Sure it feels great to dominate during the tournament, but once that’s over, your server is tossed aside for the next one.

I suggest trying to build a WvW community in HoD. YB has dedicated WvW players that play regardless of whether there’s a tournament. They play for their server, not the shinies. You won’t be the top server, but WvW will be a much more satisfying experience regardless of whether there is a tournament or not.

Good luck!

xeang.3650:

Just don’t see how it is honourable to kill off another servers WVW population like this. SoR and HoD were both servers that at once time can queue 3-4 maps on weekdays… sure their main WvW guilds transferred out… but not with full rosters and most of the pubs that made up the WvW populations just dies with the servers…

its just a real bad taste to see this being done to imploding servers.

In how far is YB “killing” another server’s WvW population? Did you see YB’s players quit during the Tournament because HoD had taken our entire Borderland? We fought back. If HoD players do not show up then no one else is to blame but them. Besides, the week just started. A lot can happen.

It was more like bad taste what HoD did to every server they faced during the Tournament. Those who now remain loyal to their server are not to be blamed for it, i am aware of that, they did not chose to get bandwagoners who left again.

I think for HoD it was either go up to T2 and have really competitive matches (which they didn’t get during the Tournament), or fall down again and get kicked by every server whom they rolled over during the Tournament on their way down. I am pretty sure that most servers that were in Silver will use the opportunity to pay HoD back, if they can. It’s up to HoD to prevent that. It’s their time to pay the Piper now.

I hope people aren’t saying that HoD ending up as a bandwagon server was our fault; we didn’t invite anyone, we didn’t actively recruit any guilds, we didn’t do anything except play as we always did. Once guilds like KoME came in and started running things, playstyle changed of course, because we now had 50-60 people in every map at any given time, and a lot of people from PvE saw that we were winning and got in on the fun too. It’s much easier as a PvE player to join a large zerg than it is to understand the more subtle day-to-day mechanics of WvW — roaming, siege defense, upgrading, tactical strikes, etc.

We ended up as a bandwagon server, absolutely. But it’s not like we can stop people from transferring.

DaShi.1368:

That’s the problem with bandwagoners. Sure it feels great to dominate during the tournament, but once that’s over, your server is tossed aside for the next one.

I suggest trying to build a WvW community in HoD. YB has dedicated WvW players that play regardless of whether there’s a tournament. They play for their server, not the shinies. You won’t be the top server, but WvW will be a much more satisfying experience regardless of whether there is a tournament or not.

Good luck!

We have a great WvW community, actually; all of us know each other, and we all love playing together. We have a lot of fun, even doing menial things like defending a camp for hours or refreshing siege, or trying to track down that one roaming thief (you know who you are!) that keeps taking out our dolys and sentries. It’s just that our community is small. It has been for a while, tourney notwithstanding.

If I’m in WvW and not tagged up, people ask me all the time if I’m going to tag. If I’m not tagged up it’s probably because I was earlier and am either tired or burnt out or both, and I’ll say as much. People know this. People that were around before the tourney. It was a little different, though, before the Megaserver system went in — it used to be fun to drop into LA to say things like “hey HoD, we got a push going in WvW, we need your help! Fight for your server!” and watch the light WvWers and PvErs rally to the cause. Those were good times. Now, we can’t do that. We’re going to have to figure something out, though, because without being able to do all-calls to the server as we did in the past, things have become grim.

I see it all the time when I’m in WvW now. People will pop into a map, say “anyone in here?” — generally a PvEr or light WvWer — and if nobody answers quickly enough or the negative people chime in with things like “yeah, but don’t bother, we’re getting slaughtered,” they leave. And I don’t blame them. WvW isn’t their usual thing.

And yes, we on HoD love our PvE — we love it to death. WvW is generally secondary to many. The HoD forums are most active in the PvE threads, because that’s where people love to be.

At any rate, we are trying to rally HoD under a single banner, so to speak, and it’s getting better, but we clearly weren’t ready in time for FA, IoJ, YB, or even BP. Now, it’s just a waiting game. It’ll take a bit of time to drop back to the lowest tier, and then maybe people won’t be so afraid to venture into the scary place that WvW is right now. Time will tell.

Frosch.7809:

It’s up to HoD to prevent that. It’s their time to pay the Piper now.

What does this even mean? Pay the piper? Prevent what? What are we supposed to do, exactly?

Frosch.7809:

Did you see YB’s players quit during the Tournament because HoD had taken our entire Borderland? We fought back. If HoD players do not show up then no one else is to blame but them. Besides, the week just started. A lot can happen.

Losing entire BLs in wvw is normal (even T1 see it almost daily, the omega army at the garri water gate at odd times of the day)… holding WP on another server’s garrison for days is not

http://wvwintel.com/#1003

Did HoD hold WPs on YB garrison for days? Wasn’t YB allied with HoD to 2v1 FA to third place in Season 2 Silver, why the revenge? just curious..

I think a lot of people posting don’t know whats really going on there. HoD didn’t collapse just yet. Their guilds like vlk, toh, pd and others are still playing, fighting and doing a lot in wvw. The mos.millennium/wvwintel do not show the real picture. Which is a strong push by yb to counter hod better coverage during the week. HoD always takes the weekend off, they will be back and the score will be more even.

The issue is that defending your own bl doesn’t seem to mater as much to some, as taking sm or k training some other bl. HoD doesn’t have a queue, but neither do bp or yb. for this tier hod is far from dead.

Remember Kaineng? No one likes a bandwagon server. There’s going to be a lot of beating up on HoD as they fall through the rankings.

HOD did not implode. Like many zerg blob servers they are not playing to reduce rank. They want easier matchups. They are not the first to do this.
Come tourney time HOD will have +100 Queue on all wvw areas like usual 24/7.
( like last week)

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