Guild Wars 2

Just wondering. Servers will probably face eachother in the near future probably around tier 3 and I’m one of the tier 3 people.

Yes. Both servers could end up in T2. Have fun killing each other.

Mag will almost definitely make it to T2 before we do. It will be an epic battle though that is for sure. Cant wait

Kaineng has more ppl and coverage. They’re on par with FA it looks. If Mag wins, it’s not going to be on numbers.

Ninein.4782:

Kaineng has more ppl and coverage. They’re on par with FA it looks. If Mag wins, it’s not going to be on numbers.

Not arguing this, as I have no clue what Mags looks like – but what are you basing this assessment on?

Foss.4830:

Mag will almost definitely make it to T2 before we do. It will be an epic battle though that is for sure. Cant wait

You act like we don’t want to lose that battle.

Unless Maguuma doubled their population since we last fought them (3 weeks ago?), Kaineng outnumbers them by a great many.

Kaineng has vastly more people than anyone we ever fought in T4.

Dhampyr.2104:

Ninein.4782:

Kaineng has more ppl and coverage. They’re on par with FA it looks. If Mag wins, it’s not going to be on numbers.

Not arguing this, as I have no clue what Mags looks like – but what are you basing this assessment on?

I dunno about him, but my best non-anecdotal thought is that YB and EB were roughly equal in score in T4 but YB is doing twice as well as EB. I was going to look at PPT on millenium but Kaineng’s graph is too flat to make any comparison.

Slamz.5376:

Unless Maguuma doubled their population since we last fought them (3 weeks ago?), Kaineng outnumbers them by a great many.

Kaineng has vastly more people than anyone we ever fought in T4.

Actually, we kind of have, somehow. We queued all four maps at reset for the past two, which is way more than we have done in months.

Dhampyr.2104:

Ninein.4782:

Kaineng has more ppl and coverage. They’re on par with FA it looks. If Mag wins, it’s not going to be on numbers.

Not arguing this, as I have no clue what Mags looks like – but what are you basing this assessment on?

Because I could log on at 9am EST and take 2-3 towers, and sometimes a keep, before starting to see a response from Mag. The only gap I have seen in Kaineng coverage is from about 11am-noon EST. Any other time, we have an almost immediate response of at least 5 Kaineng players (quickly followed by at least 1 more group) before we can get a wall down with a catapult.

Maguuma: 4 map queue reset, 2 map queue NA primetime, 0 map queue offhours
FA: 4 map queue reset, 3.5 map queue NA primetime, 1.5 map queue offhours

Kaineng can fill in the blank for comparison.

Neeho.3859:

Dhampyr.2104:

Ninein.4782:

Kaineng has more ppl and coverage. They’re on par with FA it looks. If Mag wins, it’s not going to be on numbers.

Not arguing this, as I have no clue what Mags looks like – but what are you basing this assessment on?

Because I could log on at 9am EST and take 2-3 towers, and sometimes a keep, before starting to see a response from Mag. The only gap I have seen in Kaineng coverage is from about 11am-noon EST. Any other time, we have an almost immediate response of at least 5 Kaineng players (quickly followed by at least 1 more group) before we can get a wall down with a catapult.

Ok, so the assessments are anecdotal vice scientific – was just wondering if there was some analytic site that posted real numbers. Thanks!

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

well at this moment Kaineng just zergs because they outnumber all of the opponents. i dont know how they will do in higher tier i don know thou that they have good coverage of all time zones

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

There are a few small groups, I can’t tell if a lot left or are just in PvE until we hit a wall. My guild doesn’t run more than 1 party at a time. [ONI], [BC] (haven’t seen BC in a while) are others… sadly I can’t remember more. So many new people I can’t keep track.

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

Pretty much impossible to answer this properly until the two servers play each other. Both have seen a large influx of people. Kaineng is doing slightly better than Maguuma right now but Maguuma are in a higher tier so I’d the say two are likely about equal.
Next week will be extremely interesting.
I do expect Kaineng will win their matchup again but how YB and especially Dragonbrand hold out will be a key indicator. We have never played a server with as large an oceanic population as Dragonbrand before and as this is the time when we score most of our points, the results could potentially be very different from this week.
Maguuma’s matchup with Fort Aspenwood and Crystal Desert could also be very interesting though based on this week I would expect them to win it handsomely as Crystal Desert seems slightly in decline at the moment.

Taras.4367:

well at this moment Kaineng just zergs because they outnumber all of the opponents. i dont know how they will do in higher tier i don know thou that they have good coverage of all time zones

My guild does alot of small group stuff. Mainly defending camps/dolyaks right now.

Oozo.7856:

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

Thats a general blanket statement If I ever seen one ;p lol

Maguuma knows about RE already, and I can vouch that WM is top shelf WvW hands down. There are other great guilds I have seen, and some new ones which I have not seen as well. I will admit that Kaineng PUG’s can you a little bit of guidance, not for WvW, but for WvW in higher tiers is what I mean. But I can tell you, Kaineng PUG’s are willing and eager to learn.

Foss.4830:

Taras.4367:

well at this moment Kaineng just zergs because they outnumber all of the opponents. i dont know how they will do in higher tier i don know thou that they have good coverage of all time zones

My guild does alot of small group stuff. Mainly defending camps/dolyaks right now.

Guild tag is?

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

Thats a general blanket statement If I ever seen one ;p lol

Maguuma knows about RE already, and I can vouch that WM is top shelf WvW hands down. There are other great guilds I have seen, and some new ones which I have not seen as well. I will admit that Kaineng PUG’s can you a little bit of guidance, not for WvW, but for WvW in higher tiers is what I mean. But I can tell you, Kaineng PUG’s are willing and eager to learn.

We’ve beaten RE and WM is open field fights with comparable numbers on both sides. The only thing that has killed us are the 30+ man zergballs that Kaineng runs. We run a max of 15, but usually have 10 or less.

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

Thats a general blanket statement If I ever seen one ;p lol

Maguuma knows about RE already, and I can vouch that WM is top shelf WvW hands down. There are other great guilds I have seen, and some new ones which I have not seen as well. I will admit that Kaineng PUG’s can you a little bit of guidance, not for WvW, but for WvW in higher tiers is what I mean. But I can tell you, Kaineng PUG’s are willing and eager to learn.

We’ve beaten RE and WM is open field fights with comprable numbers on both sides. The only thing that has killed us are the 30+ man zergballs that Kaineng runs. We run a max of 15, but usually have 10 or less.

Oh not this again…lol

onesies and twosies dont count, on either side friend. I wont play tic for tac but I will say in higher tiers 30 man zergs are not big zergs at all, and 30 man zergs wont do anything to some of the zergs I have seen when I faced YB/CD/FA a while back. 10-15 man teams are great, but when faced in higher tiers those numbers are just loot bags in all honesty, sorry to be frank.

The 50-80 RE we have on a map on a reset night, you might call that a zerg, but I call it a quarter of our guild. And we both know you are not talking about our guild “zerg” sure you can talk about 2-8 RE mixed in with PUG’s though I will give you that.

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

Thats a general blanket statement If I ever seen one ;p lol

Maguuma knows about RE already, and I can vouch that WM is top shelf WvW hands down. There are other great guilds I have seen, and some new ones which I have not seen as well. I will admit that Kaineng PUG’s can you a little bit of guidance, not for WvW, but for WvW in higher tiers is what I mean. But I can tell you, Kaineng PUG’s are willing and eager to learn.

We’ve beaten RE and WM is open field fights with comprable numbers on both sides. The only thing that has killed us are the 30+ man zergballs that Kaineng runs. We run a max of 15, but usually have 10 or less.

Oh not this again…lol

onesies and twosies dont count, on either side friend. I wont play tic for tac but I will say in higher tiers 30 man zergs are not big zergs at all, and 30 man zergs wont do anything to some of the zergs I have seen when I faced YB/CD/FA a while back. 10-15 man teams are great, but when faced in higher tiers those numbers are just loot bags in all honesty, sorry to be frank.

Yes, please proceed to the upper teirs where zerg groups can run around and autoattack their way to success. It’s an excellent place for zerglings to play together.

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

Thats a general blanket statement If I ever seen one ;p lol

Maguuma knows about RE already, and I can vouch that WM is top shelf WvW hands down. There are other great guilds I have seen, and some new ones which I have not seen as well. I will admit that Kaineng PUG’s can you a little bit of guidance, not for WvW, but for WvW in higher tiers is what I mean. But I can tell you, Kaineng PUG’s are willing and eager to learn.

We’ve beaten RE and WM is open field fights with comprable numbers on both sides. The only thing that has killed us are the 30+ man zergballs that Kaineng runs. We run a max of 15, but usually have 10 or less.

Oh not this again…lol

onesies and twosies dont count, on either side friend. I wont play tic for tac but I will say in higher tiers 30 man zergs are not big zergs at all, and 30 man zergs wont do anything to some of the zergs I have seen when I faced YB/CD/FA a while back. 10-15 man teams are great, but when faced in higher tiers those numbers are just loot bags in all honesty, sorry to be frank.

Yes, please proceed to the upper teirs where zerg groups can run around and autoattack their way to success. It’s an excellent place for zerglings to play together.

Please come to Fight Club when we host it Its a great PvP style event for every one. PvP skill wise, that is where we can showcase everything, but to win in WvW, numbers and coverage, those are key elements, sorry to say but 5-15 PvP experts can not win against 30+ man zergs in WvW.

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

Thats a general blanket statement If I ever seen one ;p lol

Maguuma knows about RE already, and I can vouch that WM is top shelf WvW hands down. There are other great guilds I have seen, and some new ones which I have not seen as well. I will admit that Kaineng PUG’s can you a little bit of guidance, not for WvW, but for WvW in higher tiers is what I mean. But I can tell you, Kaineng PUG’s are willing and eager to learn.

We’ve beaten RE and WM is open field fights with comprable numbers on both sides. The only thing that has killed us are the 30+ man zergballs that Kaineng runs. We run a max of 15, but usually have 10 or less.

Oh not this again…lol

onesies and twosies dont count, on either side friend. I wont play tic for tac but I will say in higher tiers 30 man zergs are not big zergs at all, and 30 man zergs wont do anything to some of the zergs I have seen when I faced YB/CD/FA a while back. 10-15 man teams are great, but when faced in higher tiers those numbers are just loot bags in all honesty, sorry to be frank.

Yes, please proceed to the upper teirs where zerg groups can run around and autoattack their way to success. It’s an excellent place for zerglings to play together.

Please come to Fight Club when we host it Its a great PvP style event for every one. PvP skill wise, that is where we can showcase everything, but to win in WvW, numbers and coverage, those are key elements, sorry to say but 5-15 PvP experts can not win against 30+ man zergs in WvW.

You must not be a very good “PvP expert” then. Can’t wait till we’re in the same tier and I can kill your entire guild 1v1 2v2 5v5 5v15, whatever.

AD doesn’t do fight club because they like the dynamic experience that duels don’t offer. Also, I think you need to meet AoN.

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

Thats a general blanket statement If I ever seen one ;p lol

Maguuma knows about RE already, and I can vouch that WM is top shelf WvW hands down. There are other great guilds I have seen, and some new ones which I have not seen as well. I will admit that Kaineng PUG’s can you a little bit of guidance, not for WvW, but for WvW in higher tiers is what I mean. But I can tell you, Kaineng PUG’s are willing and eager to learn.

We’ve beaten RE and WM is open field fights with comprable numbers on both sides. The only thing that has killed us are the 30+ man zergballs that Kaineng runs. We run a max of 15, but usually have 10 or less.

Oh not this again…lol

onesies and twosies dont count, on either side friend. I wont play tic for tac but I will say in higher tiers 30 man zergs are not big zergs at all, and 30 man zergs wont do anything to some of the zergs I have seen when I faced YB/CD/FA a while back. 10-15 man teams are great, but when faced in higher tiers those numbers are just loot bags in all honesty, sorry to be frank.

Yes, please proceed to the upper teirs where zerg groups can run around and autoattack their way to success. It’s an excellent place for zerglings to play together.

Please come to Fight Club when we host it Its a great PvP style event for every one. PvP skill wise, that is where we can showcase everything, but to win in WvW, numbers and coverage, those are key elements, sorry to say but 5-15 PvP experts can not win against 30+ man zergs in WvW.

PUG zergs, yes. Guild zergs, no. If we cared about server ranks we would have left DR a long time ago. We want balanced fights and although you aren’t personally responsible for the crap we’ve been getting – I’ll take it out on you, nonetheless.

zastari.1730:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Littlefeather.8623:

Oozo.7856:

Acelerion.6820:

Does kaining run any small group stuff or is it all for the realm business?

Kaineng on an individual basis is one of the least skilled servers we have gone up against. Maguuma is much better in terms of individual skill overall.

But, what Kaineng has that Maguuma doesn’t are multiple no-skill 30-40 mobile guild zergballs. And, they’ve picked up even more of this cheese in the last couple of days.

Thats a general blanket statement If I ever seen one ;p lol

Maguuma knows about RE already, and I can vouch that WM is top shelf WvW hands down. There are other great guilds I have seen, and some new ones which I have not seen as well. I will admit that Kaineng PUG’s can you a little bit of guidance, not for WvW, but for WvW in higher tiers is what I mean. But I can tell you, Kaineng PUG’s are willing and eager to learn.

We’ve beaten RE and WM is open field fights with comprable numbers on both sides. The only thing that has killed us are the 30+ man zergballs that Kaineng runs. We run a max of 15, but usually have 10 or less.

Oh not this again…lol

onesies and twosies dont count, on either side friend. I wont play tic for tac but I will say in higher tiers 30 man zergs are not big zergs at all, and 30 man zergs wont do anything to some of the zergs I have seen when I faced YB/CD/FA a while back. 10-15 man teams are great, but when faced in higher tiers those numbers are just loot bags in all honesty, sorry to be frank.

Yes, please proceed to the upper teirs where zerg groups can run around and autoattack their way to success. It’s an excellent place for zerglings to play together.

Please come to Fight Club when we host it Its a great PvP style event for every one. PvP skill wise, that is where we can showcase everything, but to win in WvW, numbers and coverage, those are key elements, sorry to say but 5-15 PvP experts can not win against 30+ man zergs in WvW.

You must not be a very good “PvP expert” then. Can’t wait till we’re in the same tier and I can kill your entire guild 1v1 2v2 5v5 5v15, whatever.

Well I’ll be your huckleberry

The way the very first Fight Club started was back when we were on DH and we faced NSP, I whispered one of their bigger guilds and asked them to fight our guild members 1v1. They replied with an Alpha Golem on the middle quaggan island, I won And from then on every thursday my guild hosts a Fight Club every match we are in.

So, I seen your video, and I see your a guardian, thats great I love fighting melee players, im a guardian as well. So yea, I solo’d an Alpha Golem, and I only lost to two Guardians ever (1 in WvW Fightclub, and 1 in SPvP)

Kaineng has the bigger WvW population. From what I’ve seen this week they have at least 20+ very bored players in each map 24/7.

So what I’m getting out of this thread is Kaineng sucks but has a lot more people than maguuma

Keira Ferland.5619:

So what I’m getting out of this thread is Kaineng sucks but has a lot more people than maguuma

That seems to be the consensus of our opponents atm, and last week, and the week before last as well.

I can not speak for the PUG’s but I can speak for my guild, and again Maguuma already know about us, and again WM is top shelf skill, more organized than us, we dont challenge that. There are also a lot of new guilds still yet to be showcased. So people can chitter chatter, but it really dont matter.

I don’t know if we really lack skill.

Its just super hard to show any skill when you run over people with 10 times their number.

Also I tend to not like spawncamping because defending things is more my thing. When there isn’t anything to defend I’m just leveling alts and catching up on pve (and working on my legendary, only 390 gold to go!).

Draygo.9473:

I don’t know if we really lack skill.

Its just super hard to show any skill when you run over people with 10 times their number.

Pretty much this tbh.

I guess most Maguma players like Ehmry players are used to lots of small scale fighting in WvW. When you face kaining you will be up against massive zerg balls constantly thowing down AoE’s infront of them as they head towards you. Enjoy

Draygo.9473:

I don’t know if we really lack skill.
Its just super hard to show any skill when you run over people with 10 times their number.

Very true. Kaineng surely has good players on it. It’s just hard to stand out at the moment.

BTW, my comments are generally comparing rank and file PUGs versus the rank and file of other servers. Maguuma has impressed me the most for their general level of competence. Kaineng is carrying A LOT of deadweight, however. And those players will be taking up your queue slots. This is the kind of thing you don’t realize unless you fight your own server.

Maguuma’s popularity might cause it to have similar issues with respect to deadweight players. And again, Maguuma had nothing similar to the mobile zergball guilds that Kaineng has. That would be my primary concern if I was Mag right now.

I honestly can’t think of a counter to them unless you run the same exact thing. Of course, I’d personally rather quit the game before piling up and running with a zerg like that.

Too much pride, I guess.

Oozo.7856:

Draygo.9473:

I don’t know if we really lack skill.
Its just super hard to show any skill when you run over people with 10 times their number.

Very true. Kaineng surely has good players on it. It’s just hard to stand out at the moment.

BTW, my comments are generally comparing rank and file PUGs versus the rank and file of other servers. Maguuma has impressed me the most for their general level of competence. Kaineng is carrying A LOT of deadweight, however. And those players will be taking up your queue slots. This is the kind of thing you don’t realize unless you fight your own server.

Maguuma’s popularity might cause it to have similar issues with respect to deadweight players. And again, Maguuma had nothing similar to the mobile zergball guilds that Kaineng has. That would be my primary concern if I was Mag right now.

I honestly can’t think of a counter to them unless you run the same exact thing. Of course, I’d personally rather quit the game before piling up and running with a zerg like that.

more people would probably need to run support and control builds, like staff ele, consecration guardian, glamour mesmers etc. which requires more organization in general i’m sure.

halting the momentum of the zergball definitely a key to stopping it.

wads.5730:

Oozo.7856:

Draygo.9473:

I don’t know if we really lack skill.
Its just super hard to show any skill when you run over people with 10 times their number.

Very true. Kaineng surely has good players on it. It’s just hard to stand out at the moment.

BTW, my comments are generally comparing rank and file PUGs versus the rank and file of other servers. Maguuma has impressed me the most for their general level of competence. Kaineng is carrying A LOT of deadweight, however. And those players will be taking up your queue slots. This is the kind of thing you don’t realize unless you fight your own server.

Maguuma’s popularity might cause it to have similar issues with respect to deadweight players. And again, Maguuma had nothing similar to the mobile zergball guilds that Kaineng has. That would be my primary concern if I was Mag right now.

I honestly can’t think of a counter to them unless you run the same exact thing. Of course, I’d personally rather quit the game before piling up and running with a zerg like that.

more people would probably need to run support and control builds, like staff ele, consecration guardian, glamour mesmers etc. which requires more organization in general i’m sure.

halting the momentum of the zergball definitely a key to stopping it.

You’d have to try to fragment them, but they are probably going to be carrying a lot of group stability. Since they are clumped together they will spread out and mitigate AoE. AoE damage will be practically useless against a zergball.

Zergballing reduces nearly everything to nothing more than a numbers contest.

They are a little vulnerable when they stop to gather the collective. At this point they are typically trying to set up a mesmer portal or group stealth (speaking of WM here, mainly). This is a good time to try to crash them with gap closers. Still though, you are going to need similar numbers to have success.

Zergball, the T1/T2 win tactic I hear. Saw alot of that when SoS 2.0 stormed their way up to T1.

I`ve seen no recuitment threads from these servers which brings me to this question.

How did these servers get all these people then?

Kaineng’s recruitment is that NEO alliance thread.

Kaineng got them because WM has clout. I guess we got ours mostly through natural bandwagons and a few guilds that really liked us.

Here is the recruitment thread.

http://mos.millenium.org/matchups#NA

Notice anything about Maguuma and Kaineng in those matchups? That, along with the fact that about 80% of humans are kittenes pretty much explains everything.

Hmm, 80% of humans are kittens? Meow? :P

Edit: More seriously, if a “rank and file” Kaineng zerg is able to ball up tightly and have group stability, then I think they are already more coordinated than us…maybe not in actual battle, but yeah.

Ninein.4782:

Maguuma: 4 map queue reset, 2 map queue NA primetime, 0 map queue offhours
FA: 4 map queue reset, 3.5 map queue NA primetime, 1.5 map queue offhours

Kaineng can fill in the blank for comparison.

FA has more like a 2 map queue during NA prime time and 1 map queue for Oceanic hours. And our queue during Oceanic hours is only when we move the bulk of our team to one map (eg, we had a queue last night when we called guilds over to do a golem rush in EB).

From what I’ve picked up Kaening is going to dominate (at least numbers wise) both FA and Maguuma when it reaches our tiers.

I’m not too convinced Maguuma could queue a single map during Oceanic hours.

I’ll leave the pre-filtered comment to the imagination.

But, I want to point out that kittens say “mew” not “meow.” That is what distinguishes kittens from cats.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=xWxOSJnMwZ4#t=21s

Keira Ferland.5619:

So what I’m getting out of this thread is Kaineng sucks but has a lot more people than maguuma

I’m on DR and don’t like some of what I’ve seen from Kain, but I for sure would not make such a broad generalization to say that they suck. Here are my own purely personal perceptions, which may or may not have the slightest bit of truth to them:

-1. [WM], the largest guild on Kain, has awesome discipline (and I mean awesome), great internal coordination, and their group tactics are designed to capitalize on all of that. But they haven’t shown much at all for broader map tactics (at least at this level) and individually they are pretty easy to kill … even for me and I do suck. They have huge numbers, move very fast, swarm like bees, and take pretty much whatever they set their mind on.

-2. The other guilds on Kain are pretty much what you would expect anywhere. They have some really good players and they have some that are not so good, but all of them seem to show a lot of enthusiasm (winning obviously helps morale). If 20 of you go up against 20 of [WM], you will win … if you go up against 20 from the rest of Kain, it’s a crap shoot.

-3. You rarely see [WM] mixed in with the other Kain guilds. On the battlefield it’s more like an alliance of servers than it is one server, although I have no doubt that all the Kain commanders, including those from [WM], more or less communicate and cooperate with each other. I question, though, how well that will work against a more unified foe.

-4. From my perspective, Mag worked harder at developing their players, their tactics, and making sure everyone was on the same page even when they had such large numbers that they didn’t need to bother. They have good commanders, solid tactics, great communication across the entire server, and good organization.

tl;dr Except for the fact that Mag has gotten a lot of new players that may or may not be very well integrated into their system by the time they meet up with Kain, I’d give the edge to Mag if the population numbers are close. I guess all of us are pretty interested to find out.

Isn’t Kaineng’s main strength off peak? I think both servers look huge, but this could turn out to be the difference.

Kaineing has a lot more people, but Maguuma has the a good amount of numbers + good open combat skills which Kaineing lacks.

Kaineng without a doubt has more (wvw) people than Maguuma. The asian/oceanic difference is probably the largest one.