Anet has set a pattern of modifying those types of skills to require line of sight. They probably forgot about that one. So some do consider it an exploit…
It’s not cheating, just part of the risk of putting siege to close to where the bad guys can kill it.
That would make some sense if I didn’t hover over the very tip of the back of the wall when I placed the siege, its the furthest I could place it. The player was able to mouse over that spot and hit dead center on the build site, the circle is even falling inside the tower.
In that picture, an elem is using dragon’s tooth to hit the half built siege at the inside of the wall. Anet has nerfed almost all target skills to require line of sight. I think dragon’s tooth is the last one that has not been changed.
In that picture, an elem is using dragon’s tooth to hit the half built siege at the inside of the wall. Anet has nerfed almost all target skills to require line of sight. I think dragon’s tooth is the last one that has not been changed.
Dragons tooth is really useless inwvw
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I’ve been a S/F ele since launch pretty much and Dragon’s Tooth is part of the reason why along with the other utility skills the weapon set brings. This skill has never required LoS to hit- all you need to do is jump around awkwardly to get a Target lock on said siege.
In that picture, an elem is using dragon’s tooth to hit the half built siege at the inside of the wall. Anet has nerfed almost all target skills to require line of sight. I think dragon’s tooth is the last one that has not been changed.
Dragons tooth is really useless inwvw
You think? On a number of occasions I have been in defensive positions where I believe taking a tower has been solely done due to utilization of elemantilist skills, not limited only to dragons tooth, melting all of the defensive siege at the start of the attack in positions that every other class could only dream of hitting.
PS. And come to think of it Ive been in positions where this has been the sole reason behind taking alot of keeps and SM in the past also.
You’re right. Wow, Anet needs to stop dragging their kitten on that one. Not cool. I have to deal with LoS because of a 6 inch high railing but that skill can bomb siege behind walls, nice.
If you want to talk about broken, complain about the people abusing the Super Adventure Box camera bug. ACs sitting behind the walls being able to hit people way outside the keep/tower ftw?
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Apparently there are 2 ways people are doing this, exploiting a feature in SAB and using it in WvW somehow. and second someone has said you can use multiple monitors which allows you to target further into keeps.
The first is exploiting and the monitor one is unfair, ultiple monitors are supposed to give a greater field of view, not allow you to better line of sight which is clearly an unfair advantage.
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Apparently there are 2 ways people are doing this, exploiting a feature in SAB and using it in WvW somehow. and second someone has said you can use multiple monitors which allows you to target further into keeps.
The first is exploiting and the monitor one is unfair, ultiple monitors are supposed to give a greater field of view, not allow you to better line of sight which is clearly an unfair advantage.
As to your first point, the camera bug doesn’t disappear unless you restart your client. So, you can enter different maps, different instances, etc… and still be able to abuse the camera size. The second will always be present, but I don’t see a way of resolving it, to be honest. Any way you look at it, you’ll be penalizing players who have multiple monitors. There’s also another way of getting the improved LoS through more unsavoury means, but it’s obviously difficult to prove and catch.
Edit: I’ve also definitely noticed more “broken” arrow cart use since the SAB was implemented, so I would venture that most of the abuse is from SAB bugged cameras, as opposed to multi-monitor setups.
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you can also put the game in window mode and it smaller and that gives bether LoS or more presice it makes it so you have it easyer looking over the walls/gate
tho have never done it but seen screenshots off it somewhere on this forum
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Dont forget the warrior’s leg specialist being added to arrow cart attacks. Everyone is using that bug and I hope it gets fixed on the 30th!
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You could always jump down and kill the ele! Btw…. can we talk about Mesmer’s and illusions going behind gates and ON TOP OF walls? Pot meet kettle…
You know, I thought of that, except she’d just cart herself right into her 7 other allies building a catapult, but thanks for the suggestion! I haven’t had to deal with illusions getting behind gates, but if I did, I’d bring it here too in the name of fair gameplay.
It’s not just an issue of LoS. How is the player targeting that area, is what I’d like to know.
There is a bug with the Super Adventure Box; players can leave with the ultra-zoomed out camera you get from the final bosses… and they’re using it in WubWub for a whole manner of exploits.
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No. There are multiple aoe skills most classes have that can hit siege placed too close to the wall. That dragons tooth just sat there long enough for you to get a pic of it :P
Dragon’s Tooth has no line of sight requirement. If they can target it, they can kill it. It’s a bug, just like Phantasmal Berserker was. Be patient! One by one, the exploits are being fixed.
Super adventure box by going to the super adventure box zone 1 cage boss and leaving instance when camera zooms out players can keep their camera like that until they log off.
I’d bet that for [insert random number between 50 and 99 here] % of what everything people are claiming zoom hacks and cheating for, it’s just someone who has spent [insert arbitrarily large number here] hours playing WvW in their class who knows a) how to manipulate the camera as is, b) where to place siege so said camera can be manipulated, or c) knows their class inside and out as in every offensive use of ele skills shown in this thread.
If you think it’s a hack or glitch being exploited, report the person in question. If you don’t know how to play the game well enough to tell, you are probably better off asking the good players on your server how do replicate what you are seeing, or make some friends on an opposing server so you can practice.
Seriously, Anet fix this kitten. Massive game breaking oversight. 5 vs 20 and ALL the seige on the walls were destroyed this way and as you can see it didn’t stop there.
All that picture shows is that most people have no clue about proper siege placement. You can place defensive siege at many spots where it is out of range of Dragon’s Tooth. This is a “get good” situation.
All that picture shows is that most people have no clue about proper siege placement. You can place defensive siege at many spots where it is out of range of Dragon’s Tooth. This is a “get good” situation.
I don’t disagree with you but the issue I see is a long the lines of leg specialist with ACs. One class has the power to do this.
All that picture shows is that most people have no clue about proper siege placement. You can place defensive siege at many spots where it is out of range of Dragon’s Tooth. This is a “get good” situation.
I don’t disagree with you but the issue I see is a long the lines of leg specialist with ACs. One class has the power to do this.
Learn to place siege properly and no class will have the power to do this.
All that picture shows is that most people have no clue about proper siege placement. You can place defensive siege at many spots where it is out of range of Dragon’s Tooth. This is a “get good” situation.
I don’t disagree with you but the issue I see is a long the lines of leg specialist with ACs. One class has the power to do this.
Learn to place siege properly and no class will have the power to do this.
Again, I don’t disagree with you but that’s not the point. The class still has the power to do this even if siege isn’t there. Anet will cater to casuals (as all mmo’s end up doing) this make casuals unhappy thus it will be changed. Just like leg specialists, any “hardcore” player didn’t have a problem because it sucked to have to fight it but it was great to have on your side. It just had to go because 1 class was the only one that could do it.
EDIT: I also think “L2P” is the end all for most issues but you can’t expect people to just L2P. They get to play the game they want and learn at there pace, we can only feed them information, we can’t make them eat it.
All that picture shows is that most people have no clue about proper siege placement. You can place defensive siege at many spots where it is out of range of Dragon’s Tooth. This is a “get good” situation.
So proper siege placement should account for people using camera hacks? Great thinking.
Again, I don’t disagree with you but that’s not the point. The class still has the power to do this even if siege isn’t there. Anet will cater to casuals (as all mmo’s end up doing) this make casuals unhappy thus it will be changed. Just like leg specialists, any “hardcore” player didn’t have a problem because it sucked to have to fight it but it was great to have on your side. It just had to go because 1 class was the only one that could do it.
EDIT: I also think “L2P” is the end all for most issues but you can’t expect people to just L2P. They get to play the game they want and learn at there pace, we can only feed them information, we can’t make them eat it.
Anet isn’t going to nerf something just because people refuse to learn. Leg Specialist nerf had more to do with being able to immobilize 50 people than warriors being the only class that could do it. Even if every class could immobilize 50 people with an arrow cart, it would still have gotten nerfed.
If every class had dragon’s tooth, player stupidity/inexperience would still be the real problem.
All that picture shows is that most people have no clue about proper siege placement. You can place defensive siege at many spots where it is out of range of Dragon’s Tooth. This is a “get good” situation.
So proper siege placement should account for people using camera hacks? Great thinking.
You think Dragon’s Tooth is a camera hack…. lol………..
All that picture shows is that most people have no clue about proper siege placement. You can place defensive siege at many spots where it is out of range of Dragon’s Tooth. This is a “get good” situation.
So proper siege placement should account for people using camera hacks? Great thinking.
Once again, it’s not a camera hack. It’s very possible to get siege targeted on the back of battlements, behind walls, and behind gates. If the Elementalist can get something targeted, he/she can hit it with Dragon’s Tooth as long as it’s within the range of the skill. Line of sight is not required, for now.
Again, I don’t disagree with you but that’s not the point. The class still has the power to do this even if siege isn’t there. Anet will cater to casuals (as all mmo’s end up doing) this make casuals unhappy thus it will be changed. Just like leg specialists, any “hardcore” player didn’t have a problem because it sucked to have to fight it but it was great to have on your side. It just had to go because 1 class was the only one that could do it.
EDIT: I also think “L2P” is the end all for most issues but you can’t expect people to just L2P. They get to play the game they want and learn at there pace, we can only feed them information, we can’t make them eat it.
Anet isn’t going to nerf something just because people refuse to learn. Leg Specialist nerf had more to do with being able to immobilize 50 people than warriors being the only class that could do it. Even if every class could immobilize 50 people with an arrow cart, it would still have gotten nerfed.
If every class had dragon’s tooth, player stupidity/inexperience would still be the real problem.
Handling leg specialist on AC’s could be considered a L2 kitten ue as well. I had no issues with it and it didn’t kill me. If I died to a AC, it was my fault, not leg specialist. Dragons tooth isn’t the issue, its the fact that it can hit places no other skill can.
Oh wow, that’s unfortunate and quite unfair. I never knew Dragon’s Tooth didn’t require LoS. I don’t see how this is considered legitimate when every other skill that was similar to this was made to require LoS.
Only time will tell, though. Hopefully this gets put in line.
Mesmer phantasms (greatsword #4 in particular) can as well. I’ve also seen ranger pets do it. Arrow carts built right at the gate can use to gap above the door to do it as well. See, not just dragon’s tooth……
Targeting something on the ground level of a tower from outside is suspect. It is silly that this skill does not require LoS. Having a narrow range of where siege can be placed is also ridiculous, seriously the towers are only so big and everything on the walls and to an extent even inside the structure is open to be hit by this skill and suspiciously only that skill. And what do these eles do? Bomb and zip back into the zerg. What’s the point of siege in towers at this rate. It’s not about hardcore (in this case people who know the crazy inconsistencies with this mode) and casuals, it’s about nonsensical mechanics.
I’ll give you a hand. In briar, build arrow carts at the bottom of the stairs close to the supply depot. There, your ac is now indestructible from anything other than trebs. Use the environment to your advantage. Now go figure it out for yourself in all the other towers/keeps.
Seriously, Anet fix this kitten. Massive game breaking oversight. 5 vs 20 and ALL the seige on the walls were destroyed this way and as you can see it didn’t stop there.
Well the fact that your sitting there letting him do it so you can get a pic of it is saying a lot about your self.
To land DT you must be right on the wall and you cant see ppl on the wall and if they are going to attk you down. Its easy to kill the ElE pulling this off.
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Seriously, Anet fix this kitten. Massive game breaking oversight. 5 vs 20 and ALL the seige on the walls were destroyed this way and as you can see it didn’t stop there.
Well the fact that your sitting there letting him do it so you can get a pic of it is saying a lot about your self.
To land DT you must be right on the wall and you cant see ppl on the wall and if they are going to attk you down. Its easy to kill the ElE pulling this off.
What is says about me, is that I’m positioning myself to get a screenshot of something I think is a problem. Have you ever tried to get a clear screenshot of something? Well it happened to me.
And I guess I was supposed to manage to fight on walls being pounded by multiple catapults and ballistas or take a lvl 28 Mes, jump down in all that and kill the offending eles and get back around inside the tower passed all the other enemies and wait for them to run back and do it all again.
Seriously, Anet fix this kitten. Massive game breaking oversight. 5 vs 20 and ALL the seige on the walls were destroyed this way and as you can see it didn’t stop there.
Well the fact that your sitting there letting him do it so you can get a pic of it is saying a lot about your self.
To land DT you must be right on the wall and you cant see ppl on the wall and if they are going to attk you down. Its easy to kill the ElE pulling this off.
What is says about me, is that I’m positioning myself to get a screenshot of something I think is a problem. Have you ever tried to get a clear screenshot of something? Well it happened to me.
And I guess I was supposed to manage to fight on walls being pounded by multiple catapults and ballistas or take a lvl 28 Mes, jump down in all that and kill the offending eles and get back around inside the tower passed all the other enemies and wait for them to run back and do it all again.
Well truly it tells ppl that your willing to make other ppl fix a problem with something before you will try to deal with it. Yes i kind of do have a problem that your trying to make a chase that something is “cheating” by your view when you can definitely do something about it.
If that was going on in that pic then the one ele stopping some one from what arrow carting the door (hitting what i guess to be pets and over all ppl who do not know how to get out of aoe) is doing nothing to save your tower. The catapults and ballistas are going to be what taking down your door.
You seem not to understand the DT spell. Its on at best a 4 1/2 sec cd that with the 20% reduction. Most of the time it will hit AC for about 1k to 2k dmg no burn no crit. These Cart even having the lowest hp in the game of weapons in wvw will still take well over 5 shots with an ele doing this.
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By “other people fixing a problem”, you mean the people who made the game and have access to the code that decides whether or not skills have LoS limitations? And I don’t care what you have a problem with. I stopped reading after that.
Dragons tooth requires no los its not supposed too its how it works hpw he targeted the seige he targeted it before running to the wall or had someone back from the wall group target it for him
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All that picture shows is that most people have no clue about proper siege placement. You can place defensive siege at many spots where it is out of range of Dragon’s Tooth. This is a “get good” situation.
There isn’t a single spot in the tower that cannot be targetted by an elemantalist with a zoom hack and can also be used as a position to fire on the gate. I assure you there are plenty of players blatantly using camera hacks right now. I run into them almost every day. Sorry, but this is a “know what your talking about before you talk”situation.
All that picture shows is that most people have no clue about proper siege placement. You can place defensive siege at many spots where it is out of range of Dragon’s Tooth. This is a “get good” situation.
There isn’t a single spot in the tower that cannot be targetted by an elemantalist with a zoom hack and can also be used as a position to fire on the gate. I assure you there are plenty of players blatantly using camera hacks right now. I run into them almost every day. Sorry, but this is a “know what your talking about before you talk”situation.
You my friend are an example of gumin where that blueprint is placed
Its extremely easy to target if you just back off the wall and hold ctrl then you target ctrl t and never lose it… and dragons tooth doesn’t work off of los soo… you could also wall hug hit your dt and with a clump of people that close to the blueprint it will target one of them and splash it
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