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Dayra.7405:

Kasteros.9847:

NOPE, there is no lag cos EoTM run “new enginee” – I will call it as this. While old WvW maps run " old pve enginee". Basically old borderlands lag cos of PvE constrution for em, while EoTM have completly diffrent contruction. Also if u ever got over slow loading textures u could see HUNDREDS of lvls of textures under current ones. For example, under blue spawn wp is a lot of snow, water etc. and at this point, THE WATER is lagging, not fps, but ping lag.

Any source or evidence for your otherwise completely unjustified conjectures?

Ye, watch YT and check out about the textures under EB or some other wvw map. Also turn off every graphic option and it will lag less( not fps, ping). As for constructions of EoTM – Old borderlands. as i wrote check YT or turn down render of ur RAM and GPU to see it. Also check out beta posts( if they still exist) that WvW run same enginee as PvE – GW1’s enginee and isn’t suited for 240 players( 3 way fights).

ps. Let’s not made any more offtop since this post is about getting rid of eotm instead of eotm’s performance.

Kasteros.9847:

Dayra.7405:

Kasteros.9847:

NOPE, there is no lag cos EoTM run “new enginee” – I will call it as this. While old WvW maps run " old pve enginee". Basically old borderlands lag cos of PvE constrution for em, while EoTM have completly diffrent contruction. Also if u ever got over slow loading textures u could see HUNDREDS of lvls of textures under current ones. For example, under blue spawn wp is a lot of snow, water etc. and at this point, THE WATER is lagging, not fps, but ping lag.

Any source or evidence for your otherwise completely unjustified conjectures?

Ye, watch YT and check out about the textures under EB or some other wvw map. Also turn off every graphic option and it will lag less( not fps, ping). As for constructions of EoTM – Old borderlands. as i wrote check YT or turn down render of ur RAM and GPU to see it. Also check out beta posts( if they still exist) that WvW run same enginee as PvE – GW1’s enginee and isn’t suited for 240 players( 3 way fights).

ps. Let’s not made any more offtop since this post is about getting rid of eotm instead of eotm’s performance.

Complete and utter nonsense. There is no different server backend or architecture being used in EotM. There is no separate “PvE” engine. And the reason performance was brought up in the first place was that people think getting rid of EotM will somehow improve performance in other parts of the game, when there is also zero evidence to support this (no, “but it used to run so much better back in the day” is not valid evidence. People love to look at the past through rose-colored glasses. I remember when I first started playing WvW, and the game ran like garbage in large-scale fights).

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Kasteros.9847:

Dayra.7405:

Kasteros.9847:

NOPE, there is no lag cos EoTM run “new enginee” – I will call it as this. While old WvW maps run " old pve enginee". Basically old borderlands lag cos of PvE constrution for em, while EoTM have completly diffrent contruction. Also if u ever got over slow loading textures u could see HUNDREDS of lvls of textures under current ones. For example, under blue spawn wp is a lot of snow, water etc. and at this point, THE WATER is lagging, not fps, but ping lag.

Any source or evidence for your otherwise completely unjustified conjectures?

Ye, watch YT and check out about the textures under EB or some other wvw map. Also turn off every graphic option and it will lag less( not fps, ping). As for constructions of EoTM – Old borderlands. as i wrote check YT or turn down render of ur RAM and GPU to see it. Also check out beta posts( if they still exist) that WvW run same enginee as PvE – GW1’s enginee and isn’t suited for 240 players( 3 way fights).

ps. Let’s not made any more offtop since this post is about getting rid of eotm instead of eotm’s performance.

Complete and utter nonsense. There is no different server backend or architecture being used in EotM. There is no separate “PvE” engine. And the reason performance was brought up in the first place was that people think getting rid of EotM will somehow improve performance in other parts of the game, when there is also zero evidence to support this (no, “but it used to run so much better back in the day” is not valid evidence. People love to look at the past through rose-colored glasses. I remember when I first started playing WvW, and the game ran like garbage in large-scale fights).

So u had low pc Also they removed culling after 2-3 weeks since live. And yes EoTM have totally diffrent architecture and don’t have such many textures as old maps have – some evidence? Follow pervious post Getting rid od EoTM might help a bit( cos servers wouldn’t be stressed enough and before u comment it, if it isn;t using WvW’s server supplies then it will give better performance for pve and if it have it’s own server resources it will help with all other gamemodes ), but will bring lot of bad stuff to old servers( like low lvls, low skilled players, ktrains, pvers etc.).

Kasteros.9847:

Ark Bladesteele.2943:

Kasteros.9847:

Dayra.7405:

Kasteros.9847:

NOPE, there is no lag cos EoTM run “new enginee” – I will call it as this. While old WvW maps run " old pve enginee". Basically old borderlands lag cos of PvE constrution for em, while EoTM have completly diffrent contruction. Also if u ever got over slow loading textures u could see HUNDREDS of lvls of textures under current ones. For example, under blue spawn wp is a lot of snow, water etc. and at this point, THE WATER is lagging, not fps, but ping lag.

Any source or evidence for your otherwise completely unjustified conjectures?

Ye, watch YT and check out about the textures under EB or some other wvw map. Also turn off every graphic option and it will lag less( not fps, ping). As for constructions of EoTM – Old borderlands. as i wrote check YT or turn down render of ur RAM and GPU to see it. Also check out beta posts( if they still exist) that WvW run same enginee as PvE – GW1’s enginee and isn’t suited for 240 players( 3 way fights).

ps. Let’s not made any more offtop since this post is about getting rid of eotm instead of eotm’s performance.

Complete and utter nonsense. There is no different server backend or architecture being used in EotM. There is no separate “PvE” engine. And the reason performance was brought up in the first place was that people think getting rid of EotM will somehow improve performance in other parts of the game, when there is also zero evidence to support this (no, “but it used to run so much better back in the day” is not valid evidence. People love to look at the past through rose-colored glasses. I remember when I first started playing WvW, and the game ran like garbage in large-scale fights).

So u had low pc Also they removed culling after 2-3 weeks since live. And yes EoTM have totally diffrent architecture and don’t have such many textures as old maps have – some evidence? Follow pervious post Getting rid od EoTM might help a bit( cos servers wouldn’t be stressed enough and before u comment it, if it isn;t using WvW’s server supplies then it will give better performance for pve and if it have it’s own server resources it will help with all other gamemodes ), but will bring lot of bad stuff to old servers( like low lvls, low skilled players, ktrains, pvers etc.).

I have had the exact same PC for 3 years. Nothing has changed. Care to try again? All of your assertions are merely assumptions extrapolated using poor knowledge of how this game engine or any game engine works. You have no concept of server architecture or even how graphics and CPU interact and operate within the engine. “if it have it’s own server resources it will help in other gamemodes” — please explain how this works. You can’t. Because it’s a load of garbage.

Here is a link to a video where one of the techs explains a few things about how servers work in a technical sense. If you full screen, you should get a chapter listing and can click on servers etc.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/180776/Video_The_tech_challenges_in_Guild_Wars_2s_nosub_MMO_model.php

Kasteros.9847:

Also they removed culling after 2-3 weeks since live.

Culling was never removed it was put in the hands of the players to determine how much culling they play with. This was also not “2-3 weeks since live”. Not even close.

EotM should only be made available when at least 2 of the normal WvW is queued. less than 2 maps queued, the players on that server must play on the normal WvW map, not EotM. let them karma train , at least they contribute towards the server score.

They can leave it TBH.

Its just played by people levelling/karma training – people you dont want in a competitive wvw match anyway.

Sube Dai.8496:

They can leave it TBH.

Its just played by people levelling/karma training – people you dont want in a competitive wvw match anyway.

Problem is unless you are talking about a T1 server then those ppl can play WvW to Ktrain. This will get some of the lower tiers players to fill their otherwise empty maps.

T raw.4658:

Sube Dai.8496:

They can leave it TBH.

Its just played by people levelling/karma training – people you dont want in a competitive wvw match anyway.

Problem is unless you are talking about a T1 server then those ppl can play WvW to Ktrain. This will get some of the lower tiers players to fill their otherwise empty maps.

The same number of WvW-teams for 1/10 of people (compared to 1st year) interested is the problem of WvW and that you can only resolve by reducing the number of teams and the manpower requirement of a matches. Trying to force (it will loose more people than it brings people to WvW) people to play something they aren’t interested can’t be the solution.

Dayra.7405:

T raw.4658:

Sube Dai.8496:

They can leave it TBH.

Its just played by people levelling/karma training – people you dont want in a competitive wvw match anyway.

Problem is unless you are talking about a T1 server then those ppl can play WvW to Ktrain. This will get some of the lower tiers players to fill their otherwise empty maps.

The same number of WvW-teams for 1/10 of people (compared to 1st year) interested is the problem of WvW and that you can only resolve by reducing the number of teams and the manpower requirement of a matches. Trying to force (it will loose more people than it brings people to WvW) people to play something they aren’t interested can’t be the solution.

People will always take the easiest path to their goal. That doesn’t mean it’s correct in keeping that path open.

Get rid of EoTM and dump resources into WvW. All those K Train fans would be ecstatic

T raw.4658:

Dayra.7405:

T raw.4658:

Sube Dai.8496:

They can leave it TBH.

Its just played by people levelling/karma training – people you dont want in a competitive wvw match anyway.

Problem is unless you are talking about a T1 server then those ppl can play WvW to Ktrain. This will get some of the lower tiers players to fill their otherwise empty maps.

The same number of WvW-teams for 1/10 of people (compared to 1st year) interested is the problem of WvW and that you can only resolve by reducing the number of teams and the manpower requirement of a matches. Trying to force (it will loose more people than it brings people to WvW) people to play something they aren’t interested can’t be the solution.

People will always take the easiest path to their goal. That doesn’t mean it’s correct in keeping that path open.

Get rid of EoTM and dump resources into WvW. All those K Train fans would be ecstatic

They would just go back to Silver Wastes for loot. No idea where they would go for leveling though, sure ain’t WvW.

for me EOTM is more fun

1 its smaller then WvW
2 its fast with a good comm running it
3 it looks better then WvW
4 knock players of the edge or fear them off
5 its just more fun ^^

Genlog.4983:

for me EOTM is more fun

1 its smaller then WvW
2 its fast with a good comm running it
3 it looks better then WvW
4 knock players of the edge or fear them off
5 its just more fun ^^

yeah i guess since most of them are incompetent and and would rather jump off the cliff against my zerg build guard :/

joneirikb.7506:

T raw.4658:

Dayra.7405:

T raw.4658:

Sube Dai.8496:

They can leave it TBH.

Its just played by people levelling/karma training – people you dont want in a competitive wvw match anyway.

Problem is unless you are talking about a T1 server then those ppl can play WvW to Ktrain. This will get some of the lower tiers players to fill their otherwise empty maps.

The same number of WvW-teams for 1/10 of people (compared to 1st year) interested is the problem of WvW and that you can only resolve by reducing the number of teams and the manpower requirement of a matches. Trying to force (it will loose more people than it brings people to WvW) people to play something they aren’t interested can’t be the solution.

People will always take the easiest path to their goal. That doesn’t mean it’s correct in keeping that path open.

Get rid of EoTM and dump resources into WvW. All those K Train fans would be ecstatic

They would just go back to Silver Wastes for loot. No idea where they would go for leveling though, sure ain’t WvW.

If you are using the WvW system to get loot you’re doing it wrong….

Why they run eotm? easy loot easy exp easy karma. If they wanted to play the real wvw they would have done it already. Remove EOTM and they will go back to pve instead.

pepper.6179:

Genlog.4983:

for me EOTM is more fun

1 its smaller then WvW
2 its fast with a good comm running it
3 it looks better then WvW
4 knock players of the edge or fear them off
5 its just more fun ^^

yeah i guess since most of them are incompetent and and would rather jump off the cliff against my zerg build guard :/

this is what i mean by fun in EOTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn5fIbp67oI

or a good necro place him self under the bridge and fear them all :P
thats why i love EOTM its so much fun ^^

T raw.4658:

joneirikb.7506:

T raw.4658:

Dayra.7405:

T raw.4658:

Sube Dai.8496:

They can leave it TBH.

Its just played by people levelling/karma training – people you dont want in a competitive wvw match anyway.

Problem is unless you are talking about a T1 server then those ppl can play WvW to Ktrain. This will get some of the lower tiers players to fill their otherwise empty maps.

The same number of WvW-teams for 1/10 of people (compared to 1st year) interested is the problem of WvW and that you can only resolve by reducing the number of teams and the manpower requirement of a matches. Trying to force (it will loose more people than it brings people to WvW) people to play something they aren’t interested can’t be the solution.

People will always take the easiest path to their goal. That doesn’t mean it’s correct in keeping that path open.

Get rid of EoTM and dump resources into WvW. All those K Train fans would be ecstatic

They would just go back to Silver Wastes for loot. No idea where they would go for leveling though, sure ain’t WvW.

If you are using the WvW system to get loot you’re doing it wrong….

My point exactly. Players play EotM and not WvW, because of the XP and Loot you get very easy. If you remove EotM, they will go back to PvE. They will not go to WvW (little loot and little XP).

Two ways to salvage EotM:

1) Make it a real open world PvP mode by having the rewards go to the winners that participated (and remove/nerf the rewards gotten from zerg training). This would cause the PVEers to cry though.

2) Spice it up instead, by adding EotM exclusive siege and gameplay mechanics that lets solo/small groups have fun disrupting the zergs (.ie a “fear wall” trap that can be set like stealth traps). Also add a world boss event that occurs at the end of the 3hr matchups, but only one side can claim victory against it as all three sides can fight and attempt to thrwart each other.

Genlog.4983:

pepper.6179:

Genlog.4983:

for me EOTM is more fun

1 its smaller then WvW
2 its fast with a good comm running it
3 it looks better then WvW
4 knock players of the edge or fear them off
5 its just more fun ^^

yeah i guess since most of them are incompetent and and would rather jump off the cliff against my zerg build guard :/

this is what i mean by fun in EOTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn5fIbp67oI

or a good necro place him self under the bridge and fear them all :P
thats why i love EOTM its so much fun ^^

not really, eotm is a giant sky hammer map

There is absolutely no reason to remove EOTM. It has a use, and even if it differs from the use of what others want, it is irrelevant.

What is true, is that the rewards do outstrip those of regular wvw by far, so I would suggest that the WXP be nerfed but the experience rewards should also be increased greatly so it can fulfill its purpose of leveling characters. The base loot should also be boosted to compensate. At the same time, buff the wxp rewards for wvw globally.

So the topic is remove EotM because “Reasons” (i.e. It takes away resources from WvW, it encourages k-tran/blob, isn’t fun, it belong in PvE, etc…)

By that same logic lets remove dungeons. All dungeons are is a zerk/stack afk fest that has too high of rewards.

There is no reason to get rid of it. The map wasn’t made to be a k-train, quick rank/leveling system. The players turned it into that. I remember when it first launched, there were actual fight, people defending, capping points, etc. Just like in WvW. It was certainly more fast paced than WvW, which made it cool. But people saw an opportunity, and took advantage of it. That isn’t really a reason to get rid of it. As said before, if you don’t like it, don’t play it.

Why should a part of the game be removed because a few players don’t like it?

Lord Kuru.3685:

Yes. Free up some server resources and maybe real WvW won’t be as much of a lagfest is is now.

I don’t think you understand how networking hundreds of clients across the globe actually works. WvW will just become more of a queue-fest.

We could remove PvE entirely if you think freeing up servers will solve the lag. Removing an arbitrary instance that’s completely unrelated to the WvW server instances doesn’t seem like it will change things.

Hm, I feel like removing it for some time might be good, as it was said to apparently be the testing zone for ideas for the devs. In which case, remove it, revamp it, throw it back in and check out how new ideas run. At the moment, whatever a lot of what was tested out in EotM seemed to have made it into the Desert Borderlands, so there’s little point in keeping this version around.

Dondagora.9645:

Hm, I feel like removing it for some time might be good, as it was said to apparently be the testing zone for ideas for the devs. In which case, remove it, revamp it, throw it back in and check out how new ideas run. At the moment, whatever a lot of what was tested out in EotM seemed to have made it into the Desert Borderlands, so there’s little point in keeping this version around.

Besides the fact its an overflow map without a queue, with it own map layout and gimmicks. Because the new borderland map also has sand.

How would removing EotM be good?

Bunch of spiteful people. It’s Fractals all over again. “i dont like it, so no one should be allowed to play it”.

Terrahero.9358:

Dondagora.9645:

Hm, I feel like removing it for some time might be good, as it was said to apparently be the testing zone for ideas for the devs. In which case, remove it, revamp it, throw it back in and check out how new ideas run. At the moment, whatever a lot of what was tested out in EotM seemed to have made it into the Desert Borderlands, so there’s little point in keeping this version around.

Besides the fact its an overflow map without a queue, with it own map layout and gimmicks. Because the new borderland map also has sand.

How would removing EotM be good?

Bunch of spiteful people. It’s Fractals all over again. “i dont like it, so no one should be allowed to play it”.

Ah, I see my mistake. More to my point is, ANet should begin working on new gimmicks, or simply a new EotM. I’m all for keeping it, but it is still a valuable testing ground which should be used to test as a dual purpose to its place as the overflow map.

You don’t need a zerg to defend in eotm just get your necro

joneirikb.7506:

T raw.4658:

Dayra.7405:

T raw.4658:

Sube Dai.8496:

They can leave it TBH.

Its just played by people levelling/karma training – people you dont want in a competitive wvw match anyway.

Problem is unless you are talking about a T1 server then those ppl can play WvW to Ktrain. This will get some of the lower tiers players to fill their otherwise empty maps.

The same number of WvW-teams for 1/10 of people (compared to 1st year) interested is the problem of WvW and that you can only resolve by reducing the number of teams and the manpower requirement of a matches. Trying to force (it will loose more people than it brings people to WvW) people to play something they aren’t interested can’t be the solution.

People will always take the easiest path to their goal. That doesn’t mean it’s correct in keeping that path open.

Get rid of EoTM and dump resources into WvW. All those K Train fans would be ecstatic

They would just go back to Silver Wastes for loot. No idea where they would go for leveling though, sure ain’t WvW.

WvW would actually be one of the recommended places. As I remember it, before Eotm existed, Friday was a karma train day. I was on Crystal Desert back then and I remember some commanders would organize flipping stuff back and forth. With eotm there’s no need to set that up now, but I bet some would if it were gone.

78 (79) posts, 10 from the OP. 7 of the first 49 (0.1428) and 3 of the last 29,(0.1034) ,
no real concensus reached.

Nice but not real conclusive may need more than a sample of 60-70 players to work out if EOTM should stay or go.