Guild Wars 2

In the latest update some of you may be aware that various items were made unavailable in WvW. One of these items included the experimental teleportation guns. With these guns a group of friends and I had found a way to infiltrate every keep in WvW to the champion keep lord with as large of armies as would listen to us. Reading this you can probably all guess why they were removed, this gave those with the ingenuity to think of this sort of plan a lot of power, but in order to actually get in the processes were extremely difficult to accomplish and even harder to think up. I had never seen these strategies used before and unfortunately was only able to record us executing one of them (will post later).

My main problem with this is that the developers thought that this ability should be taken away from us while mesmers are still able to teleport players into keeps/tower/stonemist without any skill or forethought required, they only needed to AFK on a roof and notice the keep was gone then shout in chat. Why should my friends and I be punished for being able to think up these strategies while mesmers are still given free rein over such exploits? Arena Net has said before that mesmers being able to port armies into keeps, or up jumping puzzles was part of the game, so why do the go right ahead and take away a part of the game that I had learned how to exploit? this simply is not fair.

This was something available to ALL classes. any player who could find the vendor was able to get a hold of these guns while only mesmers are able to use their own portal abilities. The playing field I had spent days trying to level has now been tipped back out of my favour from one update…

P.S. If you are on Fissure of woe, Ruins of Surmia or Dzagonur [DE] and noticed a FoW player infiltrating keeps that were controlled by Dzagonur (all of them at the time) it was probably me, and this is how I got myself and comrades in, not hacks

P.P.S. This update funnily enough came out right as our team was making a push on dreaming bay and after I brought 3 other players in to clear the walls for our attackers at the gates… all progress on that siege was lost to the update but we were able to capture it after the game came back.

P.P.P.S. I can post video evidence of our adventures with teleportation guns in the future (and likely will) if any of you need “proof”. as I doubt my precious guns will be brought back I see no harm in letting the masses see how we did it, considering there is no way they can do it themselves now…

was thinking of testing it, can’t say I’m surprised it actually worked!

arena net has stated specifically that bypassing the mechanic of downing walls and gates to gain entry to a keep is an exploit, no matter what… if a mesmer is inside, that means that he had to have walked through a downed wall, a downed gate, or been hiding inside while it turned. not jumping over a structure to use a portal gun to leap into it.

im sorry but you are just another one of those guys who says theres no such thing as exploiting game mechanics, just clever use of game mechanics.

but when anet says that there are specific ways to gain entry to a keep/tower, then there are specific ways and aren’t meant to be bypassed by finding special pieces of terrain to stand on while shooting a pve gun for easy access before anyone can respond for defense.

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you aren’t special, this has been going on since the early beta testing, and was reported because its simply B.S. to find a special place to stand, to shoot a gun, and gain access to an otherwise inaccessible piece of terrain by any class skill in the game.

also a good reason why rangers get pets, and using an ogre war horn to get a pet isn’t intended in a WvW match where, if your entire 50 man raid had 50 war horns summoning 50 ranger type pets, you can imagine how bad that would be… or maybe you wouldn’t…..

btw, also why they disabled the spy kit, because perma stealth through consumables, is the same type of exploit as teleport-gunning to locations that no one should reach

Mesmers portaling in (when they don’t do the stuff that lets them bypass gates without them having been down) is fine because the defenders can get to that mesmer and kill them to shut it down.

Somebody using a teleport gun to bypass the wall in mass is an exploit because the defenders can’t do something about it. You found an exploit and used it to full effect, congratulations. Don’t whine and moan when they disable it.

I hope you post the video so it can be used as evidence to ban all the exploiters involved.

There is a difference between hiding in a keep that you are in and porting people in and jumping through every part of the castle to take it.

WvW has siege for a reason. it would be pointless to make it so siege was no longer needed so you could just walk in and take something without any challenge involved. If you want that, it would ruin WvW entirely.

if you want mesmer portals, GO MAKE A MESMER. Like, seriously? That is like complaining that elementalists can use meteor shower, and how they only have access to that skill. If I want to use meteor shower, I will go play on an ele. Like really. Really.

Wait, so you’re admitting to exploiting?

Did I say I wanted mesmer portals? I would much prefer that mesmers lose their portals in WvW since I lost mine. My paths to get in were not as simple as point and click, most of them were quite difficult and required teamwork to do. you say my exploit couldn’t be countered? We could only get 1 player in at a time, that one player then had to move to safe spot to get everyone else in, a single guard patrol or enemy player could easily stop the whole invasion there. even if we got a whole team in it would be 10 players at most. trying to get people to click the portal simply does not work.

Why can’t we use siege? I am from fissure of woe. We are always outnumbered in every zone. There was absolutely no way we could ever capture a keep with legitimate tactics. This was all I had left in terms of base assault. have you been completely dominated since the game was released? no, you would probably all flock to a more successful server rather than tough it out. the difference between hiding in a keep and using portal guns to get inside is one involves a great deal of thinking to accomplish while the other simply requires the mesmer AFK in a corner. we’ve seen players from dzagonur use fly hacks to destroy all our defences then assault the keep with heir forces, we’ve had players speed hacking to get to/away from us and yet we rarely even get a chance to touch an orb. My exploit was part of the game which has now been fixed, why would I be banned for this? it’s not like this WvW match meant anything, we all know how it would end. we are losing by 150k points to the top team right now. If the hackers aren’t banned for using external forces to cheat the game why would I be punished for simply thinking?

Why wouldn’t I admit? I was caught many times inside enemy keeps that I got into. They can likely see what I’ve done in those keeps without the gates ever being down and thus my keeping quiet would only make things worse.

What kind of logic is ‘mesmers can do it so why can’t I’? Its a class skill for the mesmers. By having the teleportation gun, you don’t even need the mesmer skill so you just completely negate the necessity for that utility slot. That’s like saying: ‘engineers can drop turrets, thieves can invis, rangers can have pets, elementalists have mist form; therefore ALL classes should be able to do this’.

‘Arena Net has said before that mesmers being able to port armies into keeps, or up jumping puzzles was part of the game, so why do the go right ahead and take away a part of the game that I had learned how to exploit? this simply is not fair.’

Because you’re not supposed to be able to do it without being a mesmer. Because its an exploit, as you stated.

I’m having trouble understanding this one… Your exploit got patched so your angry… (So far so good)… So now you think all portals, specifically those that are part of a legit class mechanic to be removed too? (aaaaand you lost me)
The other posters have covered this point very well, in order for a mesmer to get into a fort to place a portal they had to enter through a downed wall or gate before it was fixed up (they have some speed buffs, blink, invis… this is possible).
Your portal guns just require you to run up to a wall and hop right over… You see the difference right?

no, he only said that mesmer were exploiting by portaling, and he wasn’t… literally… he said that

even though you can still get into a keep/tower without needing to down the walls or gate? people are still able to get in, but their methods involve abusing legitimate bugs in the game, my method was simply a flaw in the game not due to a bug or external exploit, to get past the walls with a portal gun you couldn’t just “hop on over”. TBH my previous method can still be done by a group of 2 Mesmers and 2 Elementalists.

From an RP standpoint getting in the way we did had more value than the Mesmer’s method of stand in keep jump over, it required an at least slightly skill infiltrator to get inside and let the rest of the group in without being seen, and always required at least one sacrifice to accomplish.

People only see this as an exploit because they don’t understand how it works or quite how far game mechanics can be twisted to achieve the impossible legitimately. every keep I got in to had catapults and arrow carts aimed at the gates. but good to see that i’m the bad guy here!

As this discussion has run its course, this thread is closed.
Thank you for your understanding.