Guild Wars 2

Actinotus.6410:

Perhaps…maybe…the problem is that JQ BG and SoR are so stacked that they just assume they will win over the number four ranked server TC?

TC vs BG vs SoR this week: it’s only Monday morning, and TC, who has never won a T1 match before, is 30,000 points behind already. If you want to put money on TC winning this matchup, PLEASE contact me in-game before the week is out!
(^_^)

EDIT: Sorry, they’re actually over 40,000 points behind, not 30.

Actinotus.6410:

I find this whole discussion obnoxious.

Perhaps…maybe…the problem is that JQ BG and SoR are so stacked that they just assume they will win over the number four ranked server TC?

We’ve played against TC numerous times. Whilst they can bring a good fight, their coverage just can’t compare to T1 servers.

Reverence.6915:

Actinotus.6410:

I find this whole discussion obnoxious.

Perhaps…maybe…the problem is that JQ BG and SoR are so stacked that they just assume they will win over the number four ranked server TC?

We’ve played against TC numerous times. Whilst they can bring a good fight, their coverage just can’t compare to T1 servers.

Which is the real problem here.

I am pleased Anet have opened up discussion on population imbalance and I hope it will lead to some positive outcome.

I can’t wait to mock the people that spouted the gibberish of “JQ will finish 1st place guaranteed”

Of course what people fail to see with JQ having less matches against bg and sor their fate is out of their hands, they are now entirely reliant on results going their way to win the season

Yeah, I don’t think any people I know on JQ felt that this was something we had in the bag. You don’t fight SoR and BG for months and feel like any competition against them will be easily won. It can go either way for any of us, and that’s just the way it should be.

wouldnt count SoR’s and BG’s decided yet. Its only monday, and BG have caught up and are still ticking higher. Its still anyones game at this point.

If BG win this one, and SoR win week 3 and 6, it will create an interesting league and week 7, assuming JQ can beat both of them during the 1v1 matches.

Looking at the spreadsheet on the previous page, SoR could get first place, bg 2nd and JQ third and it would create a 3 way tie. Unless my math is incorrect.

…

But if BG cant beat SoR in their 1 on 1’s, then BG bascially becomes the king maker. Basically if SoR gets 1st they win the leagues. JQ can win if they get1st or 2nd but only if SoR are in third… BG has no chance of winning either way.

BG have to beat SoR in atleast 1 of their match ups to have have a chance to to win.

If BG can manage to win in more than 1 SoR match up things become very interesting. Almost GG BG worthy.

TheBob.9863:

I can’t wait to mock the people that spouted the gibberish of “JQ will finish 1st place guaranteed”

What about the people who haven’t understood the title or purpose of this thread?

god can’t believe this thread is still going.

Just let me get this out, it is IMPOSSIBLE for JQ to win league IF the 2x that BGvSORvJQ matchup happens and the other 2 servers force JQ into last place. Assumming that JQ beats the other server without the other 3rd super server.

JQ would get score a 1+5+5+5+5+5+1=27

For arguments sake, lets say SOR is going to win all the matchups without jq against bg. and in the second matchup with BGvSORvJQ same outcomes with jq last, bg first, sor 2nd.

SoR scores 3+5+5+5+5+3+3= 29
BG scores 5+3+3+3+3+5+5= 27
JQ scores 1+5+5+5+5+5+1=27

Now for the reverse situation of where bg beats SoR all of the time. I’m still holding JQ’s wins constants, assuming they beat all servers 1v1 not ganged up on by the 3rd super server.

bg scores 5+5+5+5+3+5+5=33
sor scores 3+3+3+3+5+3+3=23
JQ scores 1+5+5+5+5+5+1=27

OP was about easy weeks, and yes, they will have more GUARANTEED WINS but their outcomes is solely decided by the 2x you guys meet. if you make sure they get last place the next time the BGvSORvJQ matchup happens, itll come down to sor or bg.

Bones.5762:

god can’t believe this thread is still going.

Just let me get this out, it is IMPOSSIBLE for JQ to win league IF the 2x that BGvSORvJQ matchup happens and the other 2 servers force JQ into last place. Assumming that JQ beats the other server without the other 3rd super server.

JQ would get score a 1+5+5+5+5+5+1=27

For arguments sake, lets say SOR is going to win all the matchups without jq against bg. and in the second matchup with BGvSORvJQ same outcomes with jq last, bg first, sor 2nd.

SoR scores 3+5+5+5+5+3+3= 29
BG scores 5+3+3+3+3+5+5= 27
JQ scores 1+5+5+5+5+5+1=27

Now for the reverse situation of where bg beats SoR all of the time. I’m still holding JQ’s wins constants, assuming they beat all servers 1v1 not ganged up on by the 3rd super server.

bg scores 5+5+5+5+3+5+5=33
sor scores 3+3+3+3+5+3+3=23
JQ scores 1+5+5+5+5+5+1=27

OP was about easy weeks, and yes, they will have more GUARANTEED WINS but their outcomes is solely decided by the 2x you guys meet. if you make sure they get last place the next time the BGvSORvJQ matchup happens, itll come down to sor or bg.

^this.

With the guaranteed wins, JQ still has to win the 1v1 t1 in weeks 5 and 6 to even have a chance. AND they need 2nd to tie first or 1st to win in week 7. And that’s assuming the BG vs SoR matchups are totally spread even coming into week 7.

People talking like the harder schedule is going to make a difference. I’ll believe it when JQ wins weeks 5,6,7 with ease as BG and SoR should be totally burnt out by then (as they say).

Decklan.7540:

Monsoon.2589:

Not an easy week at all whatsoever…

Lol Monsoon, no offense to your server, but Blackgate seriously blew it big time in week 1. You are all touting how smart you guys are and how you got 1st, but if you glance at the spreadsheet above you will see why JQ wanted a different outcome in week 1.

JQ wanted this result at the end of week 1: BG 1st, JQ 2nd, SoR 3rd. We knew you guys couldn’t handle SoR in any of your matchups, and handing SoR a 3rd place would of made it tougher for them to take first in league. Instead in all your brilliance you guys decided to hardcore 2v1 JQ after we caught up within 2k points of SoR and pretty much handed SoR league gold.

It’s funny though, because now that BG is losing hard to SoR in week 2, and actual spreadsheets have been posted with actual matchup results math, most people on BG have finally realized how badly they screwed up. SoR took you guys for a huge ride.

Do you even math?

Adhering to the assumptions provided with the spreadsheet above, JQ coming in 2nd in Week 1 doesn’t make a difference, it’s still 27/27/29 in favour of a server that isn’t BG.

Are people so desperate to defend JQ’s easy-mode schedule that they forego basic arithmetic?

Otokomae.9356:

Actinotus.6410:

Perhaps…maybe…the problem is that JQ BG and SoR are so stacked that they just assume they will win over the number four ranked server TC?

TC vs BG vs SoR this week: it’s only Monday morning, and TC, who has never won a T1 match before, is 30,000 points behind already. If you want to put money on TC winning this matchup, PLEASE contact me in-game before the week is out!
(^_^)

EDIT: Sorry, they’re actually over 40,000 points behind, not 30.

TC was actually winning on reset night… until the SEA coverage messed us up

Congrats SoR on winning the league! Thats my prediction

Ugh…zombie post. Won’t die.

Bones.5762:

god can’t believe this thread is still going.

OP was about easy weeks, and yes, they will have more GUARANTEED WINS but their outcomes is solely decided by the 2x you guys meet. if you make sure they get last place the next time the BGvSORvJQ matchup happens, itll come down to sor or bg.

The lack of ANet concern probably has something to do with it.

And the crazy hours that some are putting in to try and remain competitive because of the draw. It may get to a point where matches are decided by burn out of key guilds and commanders. It’s not just math, it’s the people.

Aberrant.6749:

Otokomae.9356:

Actinotus.6410:

Perhaps…maybe…the problem is that JQ BG and SoR are so stacked that they just assume they will win over the number four ranked server TC?

TC vs BG vs SoR this week: it’s only Monday morning, and TC, who has never won a T1 match before, is 30,000 points behind already. If you want to put money on TC winning this matchup, PLEASE contact me in-game before the week is out!
(^_^)

EDIT: Sorry, they’re actually over 40,000 points behind, not 30.

TC was actually winning on reset night… until the SEA coverage messed us up

Has TC’s SEA Coverage changed? Are you, Aberrant.6749, saying that you now think that TC will WIN Gold League, or that you believe that TC will win even ONE of their Tier 1 matchups?

Otokomae.9356:

Aberrant.6749:

Otokomae.9356:

Actinotus.6410:

Perhaps…maybe…the problem is that JQ BG and SoR are so stacked that they just assume they will win over the number four ranked server TC?

TC vs BG vs SoR this week: it’s only Monday morning, and TC, who has never won a T1 match before, is 30,000 points behind already. If you want to put money on TC winning this matchup, PLEASE contact me in-game before the week is out!
(^_^)

EDIT: Sorry, they’re actually over 40,000 points behind, not 30.

TC was actually winning on reset night… until the SEA coverage messed us up

Has TC’s SEA Coverage changed? Are you, Aberrant.6749, saying that you now think that TC will WIN Gold League, or that you believe that TC will win even ONE of their Tier 1 matchups?

He literally just said the opposite.

Aberrant.6749:

Otokomae.9356:

Actinotus.6410:

Perhaps…maybe…the problem is that JQ BG and SoR are so stacked that they just assume they will win over the number four ranked server TC?

TC vs BG vs SoR this week: it’s only Monday morning, and TC, who has never won a T1 match before, is 30,000 points behind already. If you want to put money on TC winning this matchup, PLEASE contact me in-game before the week is out!
(^_^)

EDIT: Sorry, they’re actually over 40,000 points behind, not 30.

TC was actually winning on reset night… until the SEA coverage messed us up

You were winning because SoR and BG focused on a 1v1 while you capped paper stuff.

Bones.5762:

god can’t believe this thread is still going.

Just let me get this out, it is IMPOSSIBLE for JQ to win league IF the 2x that BGvSORvJQ matchup happens and the other 2 servers force JQ into last place. Assumming that JQ beats the other server without the other 3rd super server.

JQ would get score a 1+5+5+5+5+5+1=27

For arguments sake, lets say SOR is going to win all the matchups without jq against bg. and in the second matchup with BGvSORvJQ same outcomes with jq last, bg first, sor 2nd.

SoR scores 3+5+5+5+5+3+3= 29
BG scores 5+3+3+3+3+5+5= 27
JQ scores 1+5+5+5+5+5+1=27

Now for the reverse situation of where bg beats SoR all of the time. I’m still holding JQ’s wins constants, assuming they beat all servers 1v1 not ganged up on by the 3rd super server.

bg scores 5+5+5+5+3+5+5=33
sor scores 3+3+3+3+5+3+3=23
JQ scores 1+5+5+5+5+5+1=27

OP was about easy weeks, and yes, they will have more GUARANTEED WINS but their outcomes is solely decided by the 2x you guys meet. if you make sure they get last place the next time the BGvSORvJQ matchup happens, itll come down to sor or bg.

I’ll remind you that JQ coming third in week 1 would have considerably less likely if this draw had not existed in the first place. Further, immediate action to change the draw would have forestalled that.

Second, everyone seems to be assuming the exact same result will happen in Week 7. This is anything but assured. All three T1 servers will adjust their strategies depending on the results of weeks 1-6; and, indeed, dynamically on the hour-by-hour standings in week 7 itself. If week 7 comes down to SoR vs BG, and whichever side gets higher wins, each of them will be going after the other, not JQ.

Third, your hypotheticals each assume consistent results between BG and SoR throughout the season. If BG and SoR split wins between them, JQ would need only to come 2nd in week 7 to win (assuming my maths works out).

None of which matters. This thread isn’t about who is going to win Gold League, nor is it about defending the current draw on the basis of the final outcome. The OP was asking for a draw which is independently defensible as being equal between the T1 servers. The current draw is not, and I see no reason why BG, SoR or JQ should be happy with it.

Well, it looks like BG’s in for at least 2 easy weeks as well, if this reset is any indication of the fight SoR is willing to put up this season…

zzzzzzzzz………….

Yeah, this 12k lead frightens me, I was bored out of my mind last week, lets not repeat.

Congratz to the undermanned server for defying the odds and taking first in leagues.

It will be fun to read the posts on how BG overcame the odds, even overcame Anet rigging the match against them.

Arenanet are probably banking on the idea that the 2 underdog servers will team up against the favored server.

Maybe Arenanet didn’t get the memo that WvW wins are determined by coverage.

KeeZee.7312:

Congratz to the undermanned server for defying the odds and taking first in leagues.

It will be fun to read the posts on how BG overcame the odds, even overcame Anet rigging the match against them.

Lol after all the tears last week, not much you can say…It’s funny that BG gets 1 SEA/EU guild and SoR folds on reset…I wonder what happened in NA? Since it was reset this 1 guild had zero effect on the outcome of the night…

No offence to the SoR that are out there fighting every night and day (because there are still quite a few of you) but its quite pathetic that you’ll so easily give up because you don’t have a shot at winning seasons, or your behind in the match. I remember a time when SoR used to troll BG for caring about PPT and chant “were only here for the fights” every chance they get, what happened to that?

Let’s put this thread to bed by saying it was not wise to post the schedule at all. We should have been kept in the dark completely. Simply looking forward to and playing for each week would have been much better, Also, much more competitive.

In the future, I do not wish to know in advance. I’d rather be surprised at reset.

Who cares about the schedule. If you take care of your business you will win. So far, BG is looking like they are gonna get it. Unless JQ beats them twice, BG should win.

I think JQ is gonna spank SoR, just like BG has been doing. Kind of sad to see SoR fall apart as they have.

Just like in the NFL, the schedule is the schedule. You have to win who is on it. Some teams have easier ones, and some have harder ones. Same with college football. Just win out, and quit crying about the schedule.

Didn’t a BG person start this thread???

Yes, I am from BG.

The point of the thread (which I posted within an hour of them releasing the schedule) was to have the schedule IMMEDIATELY changed. It was not.

So what is left is an unfair situation for all T1 servers. (Yes I know its more unfair for T2, but that can’t be helped by ANET, the other could have been)

What has happened is that both SOR and BG knew that if we didn’t push JQ to third place in Week 1, then they almost assuredly win. That’s unfair for all three servers.

BG won its first duel against SOR, and is on track for a 2nd, (But there is a long long way to go yet). Depending on how duel 2 and 3 go between SOR and BG, season 1 may come down to the JQ vs BG match. And then things will get really interesting for week 7 where its possible the only undecided place will be for 2nd.

To the SOR who used this thread to chest bump and tell BG they will destroy us in all three of our duels…I say, you were mistaken.

This thread is supposed to be about ANETs complete bungle of the season 1 schedule. Next time it should not be announced. It would have been better for everyone.

JaredKincade.9761:

Yes, I am from BG.

The point of the thread (which I posted within an hour of them releasing the schedule) was to have the schedule IMMEDIATELY changed. It was not.

So what is left is an unfair situation for all T1 servers. (Yes I know its more unfair for T2, but that can’t be helped by ANET, the other could have been)

What has happened is that both SOR and BG knew that if we didn’t push JQ to third place in Week 1, then they almost assuredly win. That’s unfair for all three servers.

BG won its first duel against SOR, and is on track for a 2nd, (But there is a long long way to go yet). Depending on how duel 2 and 3 go between SOR and BG, season 1 may come down to the JQ vs BG match. And then things will get really interesting for week 7 where its possible the only undecided place will be for 2nd.

To the SOR who used this thread to chest bump and tell BG they will destroy us in all three of our duels…I say, you were mistaken.

This thread is supposed to be about ANETs complete bungle of the season 1 schedule. Next time it should not be announced. It would have been better for everyone.

No, it wouldn’t be better unannounced. Some of us (myself included) posted threads asking if we could get the schedule for the season.

I don’t know of any league, where the teams didn’t want to know their schedules.

As far as the schedule goes, this is what you get with 6 team leagues. You aren’t playing each other every week, you are gonna have to deal with that, and with 2 match ups, someone is gonna get 1 more round of t2, in the 7 week season. Seriously, people here cry too much.

Maybe we should have just went with the 12 team leagues. Thank goodness it wasn’t 4 leagues of 6 teams, or there would be more people QQing over schedules.

I think JQ got shafted the hardest, 3 weeks of karma-train would bore me to the point of quitting.

Andrew Clear.1750:

It would have been much better with unknown matchups. The league we play isn’t comparable with a league in sports. In a sports league everyone plays each team at least one time and there is no third team involved which can take influence in the score.
I prefer a cup system with drawing the matchups would have been much fairer. Maybe even with a best of 3 or best of 5 final round or a final matchup which decides the winner.
Like in football world cup or olympic tournament.

Typhus.3502:

I think JQ got shafted the hardest, 3 weeks of karma-train would bore me to the point of quitting.

Tell me about…we get excited when another server takes a tower or supply or guard….gives us something to do.

Props to Mag and SoS though. Some fights in EB were pretty good—they were making a full court press on SMC when I left WvW last night.

Andrew Clear.1750:

Who cares about the schedule. If you take care of your business you will win. So far, BG is looking like they are gonna get it. Unless JQ beats them twice, BG should win.

I think JQ is gonna spank SoR, just like BG has been doing. Kind of sad to see SoR fall apart as they have.

Just like in the NFL, the schedule is the schedule. You have to win who is on it. Some teams have easier ones, and some have harder ones. Same with college football. Just win out, and quit crying about the schedule.

That’s why we play the game…it ain’t over ’til the fat lady sings…play the season…then peeps can whine about how unfair the schedule was…still a lot of room for heroics and upsets…sheesh!

Times BG/SOR/JQ fought each other = 26
BG 10
JQ 9
SoR 7
•All first place finishes

Times BG/SOR fought each other = 7
BG 6
SoR 1
•BG finished first all 6 times.

Times BG/JQ fought each other = 7
BG 3
JQ 2
•2 matches neither BG or JQ placed first.

Seems to me that BG’s matches against SoR were easy fights for BG. Stats don’t show BG to be in anyway considered the under dogs. They actually show them to be the strongest server over all between the 3.

Matches included beginning “Week 01 05-12 January” to present.

KeeZee.7312:

Times BG/SOR/JQ fought each other = 26
BG 10
JQ 9
SoR 7
•All first place finishes

Times BG/SOR fought each other = 7
BG 6
SoR 1
•BG finished first all 6 times.

Times BG/JQ fought each other = 7
BG 3
JQ 2
•2 matches neither BG or JQ placed first.

Seems to me that BG’s matches against SoR were easy fights for BG. Stats don’t show BG to be in anyway considered the under dogs. They actually show them to be the strongest server over all between the 3.

Matches included beginning “Week 01 05-12 January” to present.

So, SoR are in the position to be King Makers…wonder who they will hook up with the next time us three meet?

KeeZee.7312:

Times BG/SOR/JQ fought each other = 26
BG 10
JQ 9
SoR 7
•All first place finishes

Times BG/SOR fought each other = 7
BG 6
SoR 1
•BG finished first all 6 times.

Times BG/JQ fought each other = 7
BG 3
JQ 2
•2 matches neither BG or JQ placed first.

Seems to me that BG’s matches against SoR were easy fights for BG. Stats don’t show BG to be in anyway considered the under dogs. They actually show them to be the strongest server over all between the 3.

Matches included beginning “Week 01 05-12 January” to present.

Unfortunately, rosters change so much frequently that historical data, while nice, is not an accurate representation of the current state.

Besides, the point of the thread is not about who will win, it’s about how ANet prepared the matches in a non-even way; with who-gets-to-play-whom not seemed to be decided with some reasoning that they can defend.

Andrew Clear.1750:

As far as the schedule goes, this is what you get with 6 team leagues. You aren’t playing each other every week, you are gonna have to deal with that, and with 2 match ups, someone is gonna get 1 more round of t2, in the 7 week season.

Not true though, you can create 6 weeks of tier1-tier2-tier2/tier1-tier1-tier2 then one week of tier1-tier1-tier1/tier2-tier2-tier2; or some other variation with even distribution.

yriafelc.6124:

KeeZee.7312:

Times BG/SOR/JQ fought each other = 26
BG 10
JQ 9
SoR 7
•All first place finishes

Times BG/SOR fought each other = 7
BG 6
SoR 1
•BG finished first all 6 times.

Times BG/JQ fought each other = 7
BG 3
JQ 2
•2 matches neither BG or JQ placed first.

Seems to me that BG’s matches against SoR were easy fights for BG. Stats don’t show BG to be in anyway considered the under dogs. They actually show them to be the strongest server over all between the 3.

Matches included beginning “Week 01 05-12 January” to present.

Unfortunately, rosters change so much frequently that historical data, while nice, is not an accurate representation of the current state.

Besides, the point of the thread is not about who will win, it’s about how ANet prepared the matches in a non-even way; with who-gets-to-play-whom not seemed to be decided with some reasoning that they can defend.

Andrew Clear.1750:

As far as the schedule goes, this is what you get with 6 team leagues. You aren’t playing each other every week, you are gonna have to deal with that, and with 2 match ups, someone is gonna get 1 more round of t2, in the 7 week season.

Not true though, you can create 6 weeks of tier1-tier2-tier2/tier1-tier1-tier2 then one week of tier1-tier1-tier1/tier2-tier2-tier2; or some other variation with even distribution.

The numbers are from this year. BG has done nothing but to continue to buy guilds. Data depicts the current situation pretty accurately.

Specially the match-ups with SoR where BG was already beating them 80% of the time.

The OP has no facts to back up the post because the actual results of the matches show BG in a much stronger position than the OP claimed.

style.6173:

I do wonder for next week…. if Mag and TC were to align, could one of them beat JQ?

They have, and nope.

KeeZee.7312:

The numbers are from this year. BG has done nothing but to continue to buy guilds.

A week ago someone from BG was trying to incite guilds to move there. After confronting them, they said that the guilds didn’t need to move to BG… meaning BG is buying spies. We now have to face potential spies in addition to the treacherous guilds that go there.

kitten.5741:

KeeZee.7312:

The numbers are from this year. BG has done nothing but to continue to buy guilds.

A week ago someone from BG was trying to incite guilds to move there. After confronting them, they said that the guilds didn’t need to move to BG… meaning BG is buying spies. We now have to face potential spies in addition to the treacherous guilds that go there.

It is pretty sad that people want to win WvW so bad that they have to buy guilds and spies.

BG had it so hard they got the win in 5 weeks.

Way to necro a 20 day old thread. Just let it go.

KeeZee.7312:

yriafelc.6124:

KeeZee.7312:

Times BG/SOR/JQ fought each other = 26
BG 10
JQ 9
SoR 7
•All first place finishes

Times BG/SOR fought each other = 7
BG 6
SoR 1
•BG finished first all 6 times.

Times BG/JQ fought each other = 7
BG 3
JQ 2
•2 matches neither BG or JQ placed first.

Seems to me that BG’s matches against SoR were easy fights for BG. Stats don’t show BG to be in anyway considered the under dogs. They actually show them to be the strongest server over all between the 3.

Matches included beginning “Week 01 05-12 January” to present.

Unfortunately, rosters change so much frequently that historical data, while nice, is not an accurate representation of the current state.

Besides, the point of the thread is not about who will win, it’s about how ANet prepared the matches in a non-even way; with who-gets-to-play-whom not seemed to be decided with some reasoning that they can defend.

Andrew Clear.1750:

As far as the schedule goes, this is what you get with 6 team leagues. You aren’t playing each other every week, you are gonna have to deal with that, and with 2 match ups, someone is gonna get 1 more round of t2, in the 7 week season.

Not true though, you can create 6 weeks of tier1-tier2-tier2/tier1-tier1-tier2 then one week of tier1-tier1-tier1/tier2-tier2-tier2; or some other variation with even distribution.

The numbers are from this year. BG has done nothing but to continue to buy guilds.

Hello again KeeZee,

Since you seem to know so much, can you please provide the names and rates of said “bought” guilds and proof to back up your claims?