Guild Wars 2

Unless you have faced BG and know the numbers they can pull. Let’s also not sit here and pretend manipulation doesn’t happen, servers can and do go into hibernation mode to seem less populated to force a population drop.

BG closed.. Damage already done tho.

jason.9548:

Legit both servers suck in terms of skill level. Bg- only rely on off hours to keep winning and the 24/ 7 ppt squads+bunkering. Like come on people think bg are great but face facts bg has the worst commanders of the top servers. Jq- what can I say gold wins but if they line my pockets with enough gold ima go also.

It must be a bad joke, actually the ones who keep camping inside smc and towers with full sieges in tier 2 is TC. I saw a ton of mithril ranked guys running for activating chilling fog first instead of fighting fearly. For those who don’t know, these guys are pro to put 20 cannons and guild arrowcarts inside smc t3 – cloaking waters. They invade Eu timezone, and they litterally camp smc with sieges everywhere, just to make sure it’s a bunker in NA timezone (can be considered at avoiding fair fights). They mostly don’t know open fields fights if they’re not in a 60+ zerg (they need the +100 buff otherwise it’s too much risks to engage a fight).
You talk about skill level as well, just look at the KDR. JQ always won the kdr (I even remember JQ 1.6 / 0.8 TC on reset NA prime). So I think you trully have no clue of what you’re talking about. And the bag farm of tc was huge.

So yeah, your story is cool but it’s definitely not the reality, and you can ask anybody on JQ, they will have the same answer or pretty much.

jamesdolla.3954:

BG closed.. Damage already done tho.

Should host a party for the newly arrived dead guilds. Can we start a pool on how long they’ll last before they are aborbed into the PPT militia?

shiri.4257:

jamesdolla.3954:

BG closed.. Damage already done tho.

Should host a party for the newly arrived dead guilds. Can we start a pool on how long they’ll last before they are aborbed into the PPT militia?

They got a bunch of off hour pvd guilds. They’ll probably love it on BG. Being number 1 means a lot to em and they feel entitled to it so i doubt they will die lol

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Blackgate and Jade Quarry both opened because they were below the population cap. Blackgate currently has a smaller population than Jade Quarry and some of the combined linked worlds populations (combined linked worlds population example being Crystal Desert + Darkhaven + Devona’s Rest combined has a higher population than Blackgate). With all that being said, we do keep track of the transfers that happen. Since we have been seeing an increase in transfer behavior with the past 2 world links, we are discussing whether we want to change how we calculate WvW world populations or if we want to lower the WvW population caps.

There is really no constructive way to respond to this. It’s obvious you guys don’t play WvW very much if you think that CD+DH+DR would even have a chance to have beaten BG. Hint = no they don’t.

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Since we have been seeing an increase in transfer behavior with the past 2 world links, we are discussing whether we want to change how we calculate WvW world populations or if we want to lower the WvW population caps.

So way back when the new calculation was created and implemented, I posted feedback here about how the activity level of transfers should be added to their new server and subtracted from their old server immediately.

The 3-4 week “smoothing” of activity data meant to normalize the fairweather effect is fine IMHO for that purpose as long as you can segregate transfers from it.

Edit: here is a related post
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/Concerns-with-Population-Calculation/first

“it should be an immediate thing since a player that transferred is in no way a potential participant in their old server’s WvW population.”

jamesdolla.3954:

shiri.4257:

jamesdolla.3954:

BG closed.. Damage already done tho.

Should host a party for the newly arrived dead guilds. Can we start a pool on how long they’ll last before they are aborbed into the PPT militia?

They got a bunch of off hour pvd guilds. They’ll probably love it on BG. Being number 1 means a lot to em and they feel entitled to it so i doubt they will die lol

Yeah because maguuma is the fight server right? lets be real T1 is all ppt and pvd server dont come here and acting like the kitten server.

And thank you all for keeping Blackgate in the spotlight and reducing our advertising costs.

Read more about this awesome WvW community here:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/community/lookingfor/Is-now-your-time-for-Blackgate-WvW/first#post6393968

or visit our server website here:

http://gw2blackgate.com/forum/

Looking forward to welcoming all that made it in and those that have returned to us from faraway lands!

^ these guys back capped and ran from fights on reset night. someone needs to tell this mas dude BG is closed again lol.

jamesdolla.3954:

BG closed.. Damage already done tho.

let the whining commence that guilds got split or people missed the open status….

In 1 week, Anet please open BG we’re not full we just play longer hours.

Funny now, when BG open all of you start rage mode and crying. now BG is close but JQ still open so lets see what happends in the few days.

Rip WvW 2016. Maybe someday they will fix you again. Until then peace!

If I came on here, and started posting about wanting a specific server to die off, blaming them for everything, and needing to be locked forever…well I can imagine the responses I might get. But you know its fashionable to hate on BG, as if we forced anyone to transfer here.

Maybe those people should try focusing on building up their own servers rather then hoping for one to be destroyed. BG’s main selling point is that we have a stable server and a great friendly community.

If you come on here and start threatening boycotts and other stupid crap, stop playing wvw, never bother to help your servers get competitive, then complain about population issues…What good are you?

The problem isn’t with Blackgate as a server – I don’t care about their reputation or whatever. The problem is with ANET when they post one thing and do another.

And to open one of the most competitive servers in NA because its population has slipped to the same level as the total three others – that’s crazy. It tells us a lot about how much ANET really want to balance active play between individual servers. Actions speak louder than words has rarely been more true.

X T D.6458:

we have a stable server

Then why you need to actively buy guilds from other servers and destroy other communities?

balthor.7913:

Funny now, when BG open all of you start rage mode and crying. now BG is close but JQ still open so lets see what happends in the few days.

JQ is’t the server that is winning T1 without placing 3rd in any skirmish.
JQ isn’t the server that never dropped out of T1 since 2013.
JQ didn’t received several guilds on the first night it was open.

henchmen.1856:

X T D.6458:

we have a stable server

Then why you need to actively buy guilds from other servers and destroy other communities?

Compared to other servers, we havent dropped tiers and havent had a massive exodus, mostly due in part to the core community including our dedicated militia. This allows BG to have a stable foundation to build on. The playing environment of tier 1 is also something that appeals to many people, and that requires staying competitive.

And maybe you should ask the guilds/players that move, why they moved. You would also actually be very surprised how many transfers are self funded.

Deli.1302:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Blackgate and Jade Quarry both opened because they were below the population cap. Blackgate currently has a smaller population than Jade Quarry and some of the combined linked worlds populations (combined linked worlds population example being Crystal Desert + Darkhaven + Devona’s Rest combined has a higher population than Blackgate). With all that being said, we do keep track of the transfers that happen. Since we have been seeing an increase in transfer behavior with the past 2 world links, we are discussing whether we want to change how we calculate WvW world populations or if we want to lower the WvW population caps.

There is really no constructive way to respond to this. It’s obvious you guys don’t play WvW very much if you think that CD+DH+DR would even have a chance to have beaten BG. Hint = no they don’t.

Strange I can’t find where she said that CD+crew could beat BG. I do see where she states that the CD grouping has a higher amount of WvW players (higher population) than BG, but as it’s been stated many times in this thread, that doesn’t mean very much and she seems to acknowledge that in the last sentence.

The constructive way to respond would be a “thank you for letting us know why this strange occurrence happened, and thank you for working towards making sure it doesn’t happen again”. Maybe toss in some suggestions or thoughts on how ‘population’ should be calculated, like as far as I’m concerned population shouldn’t be the factor but instead server activity, maybe a combination of server activity, server population, and server strength even (t1 servers not picking up a link even if the other factors would grant one, or the flip side of not losing a link if they’re not dominating t1 so we don’t have the nose dives of former t1 servers that we’ve seen).

BG can finally fill that 1 sec coverage gap with all the transfers.

Rotteny.8743:

balthor.7913:

Funny now, when BG open all of you start rage mode and crying. now BG is close but JQ still open so lets see what happends in the few days.

JQ is’t the server that is winning T1 without placing 3rd in any skirmish.
JQ isn’t the server that never dropped out of T1 since 2013.
JQ didn’t received several guilds on the first night it was open.

JQ isn’t facing Fort Aspenwood and Maguuma which are both essentially T2 servers at this point.

XTR.9604:

JQ isn’t facing Fort Aspenwood and Maguuma which are both essentially T2 servers at this point.

No, it’s facing a T3 server (SBI) and the less populated of the T1 servers (TC) and still not winning by a landslide as it should since “it’s more populated than BG”.

Rotteny.8743:

XTR.9604:

JQ isn’t facing Fort Aspenwood and Maguuma which are both essentially T2 servers at this point.

No, it’s facing a T3 server (SBI) and the less populated of the T1 servers (TC) and still not winning by a landslide as it should since “it’s more populated than BG”.

Well it’s (apparently) still open. So plenty of time for bandwagoning guilds/individuals to hop on there. And if those same bandwagoning guilds/individuals simply don’t want to go there, then JQ has some serious soul searching to do on why it’s not an attractive enough server for people to want to join…

JQ and TC are a long 4 years fighting ally, which means they kill each other every week. Most of time both servers just leave third server alone, in order to fight them, you need to face 3 way match. Other than that, you just wait in you keep or cap the camps for a boring match.

X T D.6458:

People should stop confusing population with activity. BG has an incredibly dedicated militia force that will go overtime day after day, this doesn’t mean they outnumber another server, it just means they are more active.

Dedicated militia, lol. Militia are finicky, they stick around when the server is winning, take a break when it’s not, or guilds are not there to support them. BG militia has been fortunate to play on a server that gets both. I’ m sure they would break like every other server if you were lower than t1 and constantly having guilds bought out from you. BG has coverage plain and simple, as i don’t believe you have players playing 12+ hours to keep your ppt going.

Xenesis.6389:

X T D.6458:

People should stop confusing population with activity. BG has an incredibly dedicated militia force that will go overtime day after day, this doesn’t mean they outnumber another server, it just means they are more active.

Dedicated militia, lol. Militia are finicky, they stick around when the server is winning, take a break when it’s not, or guilds are not there to support them. BG militia has been fortunate to play on a server that gets both. I’ m sure they would break like every other server if you were lower than t1 and constantly having guilds bought out from you. BG has coverage plain and simple, as i don’t believe you have players playing 12+ hours to keep your ppt going.

Are you on BG?

If Anet were to suddenly revert to the old server population calculation that includes PvE players, I’m pretty sure a bunch of the top ranked servers would be marked Full. Those accounts still represent potential WvW activity no matter how much they actually play WvW.

Thank you, ANet.

We are excited to welcome in new players and guilds to Blackgate. We’ll treat them well and hope they continue to enjoy playing WvW with us.

Welcome to all the newly transferred Blackgate server members!

Please connect with us on our server forums:
http://gw2blackgate.com/forum/

Diku.2546:

Still waiting for ANet to fix WvW so that it can become a competitive game mode that actually encourages “healthy” competition & not burn-out.

She just said they are thinking of lowering the pop cap AGAIN! That’s going to lead to less numbers. Which leads to more and more hours of OT’ing to win. Burn-out, it’s just going to get worse.

Wait, who transferred to WSR and is now not happy we aren’t with FSP?

apharma.3741:

Wait, who transferred to WSR and is now not happy we aren’t with FSP?

Far as I know Ng which was one of BG’s most important SEA guilds, and MGR from MAG. I believe there were more but I am not sure who else, I dont usually follow these things.

X T D.6458:

apharma.3741:

Wait, who transferred to WSR and is now not happy we aren’t with FSP?

Far as I know Ng which was one of BG’s most important SEA guilds, and MGR from MAG. I believe there were more but I am not sure who else, I dont usually follow these things.

Yeah I saw them but I always thought they were on FSP as I haven’t seen them since we were linked with SFR. Though to be fair I haven’t seen a lot of people that moved to WSR since we got linked with SFR instead of FSP.

Maybe ANet could have a poll on fixing this bandwagon issue rather than throwing more Elastoplast at the broken leg.

Thanks for the reply.

As bad as it sounds I really hope opening these servers is driven by generating revenue and not by stupidity.

Dralor.3701:

As bad as it sounds I really hope opening these servers is driven by generating revenue and not by stupidity.

Them opening was clearly automated using the population calculation system they have. It happens weekly Mon/Tues. Its a reflection of the continuing decline in the population of the mode.

The way how things are going…

Scoring manipulation is next on the ANet priority list to fix & Server identity is at an all time low.

The following is a joke…so don’t take it seriously.

How about we turn WvW into a Disco like game mode?

Why not…Get rid of Scoring & Ranking.

Just make it all about Match-Ups.

ANet hires a Professional Match-Up DJ & let the fun begin.

Servers swapped in or out of any Color Alliance by the DJ to create the Server Pairs in Match-Ups. No Approval needed.

Match-Up DJ just makes sure that the Match-Ups are always exciting & everybody gets crazily sprayed with rewards while they’re fighting.

Everybody wins & the focus is to “fight” like crazy & just have fun.

Competitive eSport SuperBowl opportunity will just have to wait for somebody else to do it. Just frustrated knowing this product has the potential, but will forever be stuck in a mode that won’t let it evolve into something epic.

Going with this Disco solution…will probably end the same way Disco did.

morrolan.9608:

Dralor.3701:

As bad as it sounds I really hope opening these servers is driven by generating revenue and not by stupidity.

Them opening was clearly automated using the population calculation system they have. It happens weekly Mon/Tues. Its a reflection of the continuing decline in the population of the mode.

So you agree JQ lock prior was also automated?

Rotteny.8743:

morrolan.9608:

Dralor.3701:

As bad as it sounds I really hope opening these servers is driven by generating revenue and not by stupidity.

Them opening was clearly automated using the population calculation system they have. It happens weekly Mon/Tues. Its a reflection of the continuing decline in the population of the mode.

So you agree JQ lock prior was also automated?

Nope that actually happened prior to the normal time server status is changed. Same thing happened to TC when FUG moved there. They can lock servers manually, BG has pretty clearly been locked manually today to stop any more bandwagoning, although at this point its just like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted.

morrolan.9608:

Nope that actually happened prior to the normal time server status is changed. Same thing happened to TC when FUG moved there. They can lock servers manually, BG has pretty clearly been locked manually today to stop any more bandwagoning, although at this point its just like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted.

So you saying they manually lock but the unlocks life automatically? Doesn’t make sense to me. If it unlock after a certain population threshold, a server cannot be locked below that threshold or it would unlock right after. Either the entire system is automated or not.

Rotteny.8743:

morrolan.9608:

Nope that actually happened prior to the normal time server status is changed. Same thing happened to TC when FUG moved there. They can lock servers manually, BG has pretty clearly been locked manually today to stop any more bandwagoning, although at this point its just like shutting the barn door after the horse has bolted.

So you saying they manually lock but the unlocks life automatically? Doesn’t make sense to me. If it unlock after a certain population threshold, a server cannot be locked below that threshold or it would unlock right after. Either the entire system is automated or not.

The system is automated until they put a manual lock on a server which stays until they take it off again I guess.

X T D.6458:

henchmen.1856:

X T D.6458:

we have a stable server

Then why you need to actively buy guilds from other servers and destroy other communities?

Compared to other servers, we havent dropped tiers and havent had a massive exodus, mostly due in part to the core community including our dedicated militia. This allows BG to have a stable foundation to build on. The playing environment of tier 1 is also something that appeals to many people, and that requires staying competitive.

And maybe you should ask the guilds/players that move, why they moved. You would also actually be very surprised how many transfers are self funded.

That’s not true. BG/JQ arguably have the largest exodus. most bought guilds, most dead guilds and retired guilds would account for an exodus correct? An exodus off the game, of course. Regarding the tier drop, before the more volatile glicko was added to see where the fixed t1 matches stood. You guys never cried for anet to reopen as much as you did now. Some kitten in your facade? Perhaps not as mighty as you seem. It’s just not how many want to see it spun. but your marketing is top notch. It’s just a matter of perspective, but noone wants to look at the stats in that department =)

BG just massively overstacked tier 1, and I don’t see how it can be balanced now until the next server re-links. Hell, they might have to link like JQ+Mag just to have some sort of balanced coverage (and TC+SoS+FA for the 3rd tier one server). Actually, that might work, for tier 1 anyway.

I’ve been on BG twice now (SEA time) they have a great community but there’s no competition thus quite boring.. I’m loving EU

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Blackgate and Jade Quarry both opened because they were below the population cap. Blackgate currently has a smaller population than Jade Quarry and some of the combined linked worlds populations (combined linked worlds population example being Crystal Desert + Darkhaven + Devona’s Rest combined has a higher population than Blackgate). With all that being said, we do keep track of the transfers that happen. Since we have been seeing an increase in transfer behavior with the past 2 world links, we are discussing whether we want to change how we calculate WvW world populations or if we want to lower the WvW population caps.

Thanks for this post based off of actual data from the developers of the game. Ain’t BGs fault Anet opened us up and people wanted to move here ¯\(?)/¯

and then you got some salty ppl sittin here posting about how BG should be punished. This means you’re advocating hurting lots of innocent WvW players who don’t get involved in the stupid server politics/drama, been on BG forever and just like to WvW because of something they had nothing to do with.

Also more facts, these guilds that moved to BG did so of their own accord. We weren’t expecting them at all and did not want this many guilds to move here but we can’t control what guilds do. Everyone knows this.

Djamonja.6453:

BG just massively overstacked tier 1, and I don’t see how it can be balanced now until the next server re-links. Hell, they might have to link like JQ+Mag just to have some sort of balanced coverage (and TC+SoS+FA for the 3rd tier one server). Actually, that might work, for tier 1 anyway.

Exactly. JQ isn’t as big as BG players like to think. Transfer a guild or two to SBI or TC and the scoring would be quite different IMO in T2.

Not sure what you do about FA and Mag. Link more servers I guess if their destination is T1 for now though some of these smaller servers want left alone. I think it will cause more harm than good. Anet should keep in mind there is still a great core of players who like small scale and have a anti-blobbing mentality.

For the most part, I guess we should stop complaining and wait for the next server links though we all get why we are continually disappointed in anet. At least they are trying I guess….

RodOfDeath.5247:

Djamonja.6453:

BG just massively overstacked tier 1, and I don’t see how it can be balanced now until the next server re-links. Hell, they might have to link like JQ+Mag just to have some sort of balanced coverage (and TC+SoS+FA for the 3rd tier one server). Actually, that might work, for tier 1 anyway.

Exactly. JQ isn’t as big as BG players like to think. Transfer a guild or two to SBI or TC and the scoring would be quite different IMO in T2.

Not sure what you do about FA and Mag. Link more servers I guess if their destination is T1 for now though some of these smaller servers want left alone. I think it will cause more harm than good. Anet should keep in mind there is still a great core of players who like small scale and have a anti-blobbing mentality.

For the most part, I guess we should stop complaining and wait for the next server links though we all get why we are continually disappointed in anet. At least they are trying I guess….

Agreed, Anet always disappoints us. I don’t think they should have opened any servers right now but that’s a discussion for another time. Anet opened up some servers for whatever reasons they have and it isn’t the fault of the players on BG. So when I see salty posts about doing this and that to BG which either directly or indirectly hurts the majority of players who just WvW and don’t get involved in the forum wars n kitten I take issue with that.

Many of these guilds showed up on BGs doorsteps unannounced asking for help getting set up in the community. At that point, we welcome them as they are now Squad BG and we all just want to have fun. Meeting new friends in a game of this age is always fun for people. So BG welcomes our new friends who have moved over, we are drama free and have a real chill stable non toxic community with a TS and forum you can use. Anet made a decision, moves were made and now we gotta move on the best we can. And this kinda stuff pales in comparison to the stuff we got goin on in the real world, real talk.

micheal.8793:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Blackgate and Jade Quarry both opened because they were below the population cap. Blackgate currently has a smaller population than Jade Quarry and some of the combined linked worlds populations (combined linked worlds population example being Crystal Desert + Darkhaven + Devona’s Rest combined has a higher population than Blackgate). With all that being said, we do keep track of the transfers that happen. Since we have been seeing an increase in transfer behavior with the past 2 world links, we are discussing whether we want to change how we calculate WvW world populations or if we want to lower the WvW population caps.

Thanks for this post based off of actual data from the developers of the game. Ain’t BGs fault Anet opened us up and people wanted to move here ¯\(?)/¯

and then you got some salty ppl sittin here posting about how BG should be punished. This means you’re advocating hurting lots of innocent WvW players who don’t get involved in the stupid server politics/drama, been on BG forever and just like to WvW because of something they had nothing to do with.

Also more facts, these guilds that moved to BG did so of their own accord. We weren’t expecting them at all and did not want this many guilds to move here but we can’t control what guilds do. Everyone knows this.

lulz a BG player that doesn’t want to be involved with server politics. what a cute little puggle you is. Wasn’t BG the bread basket of server politics since inception?

shiri.4257:

micheal.8793:

McKenna Berdrow.2759:

Blackgate and Jade Quarry both opened because they were below the population cap. Blackgate currently has a smaller population than Jade Quarry and some of the combined linked worlds populations (combined linked worlds population example being Crystal Desert + Darkhaven + Devona’s Rest combined has a higher population than Blackgate). With all that being said, we do keep track of the transfers that happen. Since we have been seeing an increase in transfer behavior with the past 2 world links, we are discussing whether we want to change how we calculate WvW world populations or if we want to lower the WvW population caps.

Thanks for this post based off of actual data from the developers of the game. Ain’t BGs fault Anet opened us up and people wanted to move here ¯\(?)/¯

and then you got some salty ppl sittin here posting about how BG should be punished. This means you’re advocating hurting lots of innocent WvW players who don’t get involved in the stupid server politics/drama, been on BG forever and just like to WvW because of something they had nothing to do with.

Also more facts, these guilds that moved to BG did so of their own accord. We weren’t expecting them at all and did not want this many guilds to move here but we can’t control what guilds do. Everyone knows this.

lulz a BG player that doesn’t want to be involved with server politics. what a cute little puggle you is. Wasn’t BG the bread basket of server politics since inception?

believe it or not, most wvw players on every server do not get involved in this kinda stuff, just us nerds do.

Anet should have a dynamic population threshold.
The 3 most populated servers should ALWAYS be full no matter how many ppl they have.
The third most populated server should be the “100% bar”, even if it means some server will be 150% full (or 250+++% in BG case….).
When the #4 server gains enough ppl to and surpasses #3, it becomes closed and the new server becomes open.

this way servers that actually LACK player will remain open while the stacked ones will always be closed.

Also it doesn’t have to be top 3. It can also be like 5 or more… the higher the number the more balance population will become over time.

Vova.2640:

Anet should have a dynamic population threshold.
The 3 most populated servers should ALWAYS be full no matter how many ppl they have.
The third most populated server should be the “100% bar”, even if it means some server will be 150% full (or 250+++% in BG case….).
When the #4 server gains enough ppl to and surpasses #3, it becomes closed and the new server becomes open.

this way servers that actually LACK player will remain open while the stacked ones will always be closed.

Also it doesn’t have to be top 3. It can also be like 5 or more… the higher the number the more balance population will become over time.

I see four problems with this.

1. Closing n servers means that the n+1 server gets most of the transfers, so you will only get a rotation of n+1 servers.
2. Opening a server doesn’t mean that the server gets players to fill a void, it could cause an overstacking of an already stacked time zone.
3. There still is no incentive to de-stack the overstacked servers or overstacked time zones on certain servers.
4. Most importantly, it has been shown that Anet doesn’t really know how to calculate WvW server population.