Guild Wars 2

Lets keep this “civil” guys.

No complaints of double teaming, night capping, pvdooring, invisible rendering bugs or orb hacks in here. We can discuss that in another JQ, HoD, and SBI thread but keep this one to score updates and battle recaps and such.

13 minutes until GW2 is fun again!

been seeing this happening every day now.just taken a few min ago

jq teamed up with hod on the forums

Looking forward to playing against SBI. I LOVE those guys.

edit: urtv, this thread is about the NEW match-up coming up in a few minutes. Just FYI.

SBI is in one heck of a suprise this week. JQ has gained a kitten load of players compared to last time they met. Good luck beating JQ now; mission impossible.

fixit.7189:

SBI is in one heck of a suprise this week. JQ has gained a kitten load of players compared to last time they met. Good luck beating JQ now; mission impossible.

No surprise, we have a few players against two servers with not many players. We will get crushed this week in off peak hours then drop down and dominate tier 2. Et will dominate tier 2 this week, so it is just a swap every other week.

nothing will change until they make changes, until then it will be predictable and boring.

Unless HoD truly has been evacuated then they might drop but JQ is the new Hod so no difference I suppose. One server will always have too many people and the next 3 or 4 below them wont have enough.

First Score Update

What I’m gonna do, is wait til I can get a good grasp on who’d winning, then transfer to that server…….Isn’t that what were suppose to do? Because my goal is to faceroll zerg with no competitive nature while im updating my Facebook status and surfing porn on the internet.

Update~

The que doesn’t look good for JQ though. (At least for me)

The noob train was on HoD but now is on JQ because the wvwvw guilds from hod evacuated to Blackgate and hod started to lose.
JQ winning is temporary, we are just waiting to arena net close the free transfers, the noob train wont see it coming and when that comes they will be stuck or pay the transfer with money.

I hate those noobs who transfer to the winning server so they can get carried by the pros, JQ guilds pushed hard to get the server 1st but the free transfers ruin their work , now they have the noob train on them.

Its like having parasites…

Rodarin.6058:

Unless HoD truly has been evacuated then they might drop but JQ is the new Hod so no difference I suppose. One server will always have too many people and the next 3 or 4 below them wont have enough.

Will congradulate SBI on an assured #2 this week.

Gratz!

HoD has been gutted of all dedicated WvWvWers. At this point, I think Kaineng could beat HoD easy.

Yep HoD is a ghost town

Man, I love being on JQueue.

fixit.7189:

Rodarin.6058:

Unless HoD truly has been evacuated then they might drop but JQ is the new Hod so no difference I suppose. One server will always have too many people and the next 3 or 4 below them wont have enough.

Will congradulate SBI on an assured #2 this week.

Gratz!

HoD has been gutted of all dedicated WvWvWers. At this point, I think Kaineng could beat HoD easy.

To be honest, Kaineng could beat quite a lot of the lower worlds because they have become a bit more dedicated when they got more people in.

As for if they can beat Henge of Denravi? It’s rather doubtful; quite a bit of the Henge still has WvW players.

It just all depends on how many decide they want to play.

Tier 1 WvW is dead. JQ is the new HoD, thanks to free transfers. ANet’s decision to make free transfers available, and keep them open for so long, is destroying world balance.

I doubt that tier 1 will ever be a reasonable match-up with band wagon WvW guilds hopping to the top server every week.

Let the bandwagon be all on one server when they close the free transfers, then the fun will beggin … soon…
We got a surprise for them coming from the lowers tiers.
Those kids wont see it coming and when they see they will cry or pay for the transfer haha (mean laugh)

I’ve had ONE “good” week in the t1 matchups. Every other was just lopsided as all hell. I had more fun last week in t2. On the weekend primetime anyway, when BG and IoJ were still logging in with large forces.

Ya unfortunately for JQ WvWvW has become the “Game for those with too much time on their hands”. For normal people who can’t stand around logged into a game for an hour+ before you get to do something…WvWvW is impossible on the weekends.

I’m very glad Arenanet decided to take the “free to play” approach. I honestly log out immediately about half of the time I log in (because I ask, hear about bad queues and realize it’s not worth it). If I had to pay monthly for this…I wouldn’t. Luckily I can just let it sit around for when I happen to be able to play at off times.

I’ve been on HoD since the start.
Titan Alliance was what helped us win. This noob train is what caused us to lose in the day. They just transfer so guilds can’t play together

JQ – Enjoy our noob train
I’ll be honest if TA didn’t disband last week we would still have the noob train. We would still have long kitten ques.
HoD is a ghost town and it’s causing us to lose!
Like half our server population transferred

HoD Status: No queue for EB at midnight eastern time.

I had really hoped enough of HoD remained that this weeks match up would be a wonderful 3-way fight, but the reports from the server are not promising. With the bandwagon transfers, our server has too many bodies available, and mismatched fights aren’t fun for anyone, or at least not to me.

If it’s any consolation, our queues have become a very hard adversary to overcome.

Update as of 2 min ago, hod is almost none existent

Shame really, we didn’t need all the band wagoners to stay among the top servers, but not alot anyone can do with all these free transfers.

My only concern is that the last few days have been boring as hell, so much so I managed to run a level 20 character through all the Boarderlands and EB uncontested in just a couple of hours. If stompings like this are going to be a common thing perhaps a rethink to the week long battles? Perhaps to 3-4 days long?

Anyways I hope this week we actually have a fight, shame I have to wait hours again all of a sudden to get in PvP once more.

More to the point being a player on JQ since the start, including on Beta, why do I feel like I’m being forced to move server because of this?

What happened at hod is happening at JQ now, thats why the wvwvw guild from hod moved so they could abandon those wagoners

Do you guys realize if all spread out among different lower tier servers/mid tier, instead of /staying in top tier servers the WvW does balance out.

Or guilds slowly spread out instead of joining 1 server, matches become better.

Though I’m looking forward to seeing y’alls match up. ^.^

Kind of off topic but all the rants and posts saying JQ is the new HoD based on mass player influx and such… BS. I have not had a queue in 4 days on WvWvW at any time, peak or off outside of EB. HoD just lost the zerg alliance and suddenly JQ is the new fad? Doesn’t work that way. We have had 3 days of “Outmanned” buff while being in first with all 3 orbs. Claiming we are the new zerg as an excuse to feel better about your servers slip into 2nd is just sad.

/end rant.

HoD Status: 4:20 am Eastern US Time

Outmanned on all 3 borderlands, wherein we lack even a single supply camp. Own our 1/3 of EB sans umberglade.

Edit: and now we’re outmanned in EB, too.

HoD just needs some time to make it into the right tier. i believe that once this happens we will be having even more fun then we did with TA around. i had plenty of fun but the massive size of the groups made me feel like i alone wasent accomplishing much and the long waits just to get into WvW made it almost not worth it most of the time.

Given that HoD is almost nonexistant, it seems like this match is more or less going to be a 1v1 between SBI and JQ. And with SBI’s very losing track record against JQ, I don’t think it’ll be pretty.

From HOD here, and plan on staying there. Yes HOD will drop down a few tiers to the right spot, and when I say a"few tiers" I am talking around tier 4 or worse, UNLESS we can get people to transfer to HOD soon.

As for the guy blaming the random zergs causing HOD to lose… At this point, I’d be thankful to get any of them so we can actually do something even if it’s a small fraction to what we used to do.

HOD started getting horrible and becoming less organized soon as the week matches started and I will go as far to say even a week before that. Yes, JQ is the NEW HOD… They got the band wagon on them now, and will eventually one day crumble just as HOD when people get bored of GW 2 and quit, or lose interest of WVW, as any server in the top will lose eventually.

I say bring back the 24 hour matches, stop transfers, but I can’t wait til we drop down a few tiers so we can have a chance, but it was fun in tier 1 while it lasted.

Unfortunately the people who suffer most from ANets Free server transfers are the ones who put the most time into building a server up from day 1 and putting the work in.

Current Score

Kind of off topic but all the rants and posts saying JQ is the new HoD based on mass player influx and such… BS. I have not had a queue in 4 days on WvWvW at any time, peak or off outside of EB. HoD just lost the zerg alliance and suddenly JQ is the new fad? Doesn’t work that way. We have had 3 days of “Outmanned” buff while being in first with all 3 orbs. Claiming we are the new zerg as an excuse to feel better about your servers slip into 2nd is just sad.

It does work that way. You’re just confused about how it works. When HoD had matches sewn up after three days, their queues went way down too. I don’t ever remember thinking that this meant we weren’t winning because we had such large around the clock numbers just because we didn’t when the match was effectively over. In the one day matches or during the first few days of the few week-long matches, the queues got longer and longer.

HoD is on Blackgate (the new HoD) now, they did that last week so JQ gets all the Bandwagon transfer.
The free transfers will close soon now and there will be no bandwagon on BlackGate

JQ is going to learn something that the old HOD players already know.

It is Zero fun being on the top server, it is either work or long Ques.

It is not fun when the masses of noobs show up only wanting to run around and say hey I’m awesome I’m on the number server in GW2

The whole time HOD was unbeaten people kept saying Anet do something Anet do soemthing.

The balance to this game is up to the players not Anet, 90 percent of the good palyers will not stay on the number one server, for the ten percent that do I truely do not envy the task you have to keep your server number one.

It is amazing how empty a server can become in 1 week. The hits keep coming as ND in chat said it was their last day fighting for HoD as well. Should be interesting to see how far the fall is.

WvW is all about population and 24h coverage.
It is funny to see some people claimed that their pro guild/alliance is the reason their server won.Of course i wont deny that, a big alliance is like magnet that attract lots of smaller guild and people to join the server and therefore give the server a huge population increased( and of course organized guild>pugs), but you gotta give your server’s militia some credits.
Without the noobs/zergs/karma train, you think your elite guild mates are going to win the 24h match?
If so, why not try this on HOD now instead of transferring to another huge population and good WvW server like SBI?
Too good at this game?Tired of winning?
Seeking for challenge?
Then why not stay on HOD? We are pretty much outnumbered like 10 to 1 everywhere and the queue time is instant on every map, aren’t this what you pros want?
Seriously though, why don’t you guys just admit it that you guys couldn’t afford to lose?
It is no shame to say that, really.

Here is an idea for those servers with a queue, to make the queue move faster. Make it so that when you die in WvWvW, and there is a queue, you get bumped. This would shorten the queue times dramatically because people will be dying all the time.

Just saw an SBI person under the map at the orb room at Bay in SBI borderlands. If you have to cheat to win you shouldn’t me there. We need a quick report option for hackers. Worthless piles of kitten waste.

Long term, the exodus of players from HoD will be good for the server. We will be left with a smaller base, for sure, but it will be the friendlier players with a better sense of commitment/drive who stay.

It’s easy to show strength and teamwork when you are winning. The true test is how you act and react when you are losing. Do you throw up your hands and give up, or do you weather through the hard times and rebuild. Those that are staying are definitely in the latter category (and there are plenty who are staying).

We will go down in the tiers in the next few weeks – mainly because we simply wont have the numbers/ 24/7 support needed to compete, but that will not be a bad thing. The matches in the top tier haven’t been fun for a while (because of the constant bandwagonning and complaining).

Those of us that have been on HoD since the beginning (many, like myself, since the first beta event in May) look forward to what WvW will become on HoD.

I love JQ, I love the community, but after Monday there will be no challenge or fight left in WvWvW. Unfortunately the players trying to make a server #1 in wubwub will probably want to transfer off, and I won’t be able to PvE with my PvE bros anymore. Guesting was something that was promised on launch, but it’s been six weeks already. The massive problems caused by free transfers is taking a toll on every matchup. Nobody wants to stomp or get stomped, even matches are the most fun.

It continually surprises me that more people are not aware of this, but JQ has already been through this process….

JQ was highly successful during the BWEs, and saw it’s ‘native’ population flooded with bandwagon type players just prior to and following release. The various forums and game chat were full of ‘we came here because we want to be on the winning team’ statements. It is no coincidence that our pre-release manifestation and that of our post-release were highly different. Alliances and groups set up pre-release suddenly found themselves unable to get their people in, and discovered things were a lot more difficult than they were before, with the ‘PUG’ forces clogging the queues, and outnumbering the guild/alliance people.

In JQs case however, just as there were pre-release alliances, there was also a strong community infrastructure in place. A great many of the people played in Jade Quarry identified with their server, and refused to transfer even when they could not get in, or when things were going badly. A huge amount of effort was put into coordination and communication, people stepped up and put the TS server in place, took on leadership or command roles, and the PUG population were brought into this overall community and the level of play increased. The server played as a server, and it continues to do so more every single day.

HoD was the top server, no question. Both in terms of their infrastructure and their gameplay on the field. It is my opinion however, and events have born this out, that they lacked the kind of broad base of community which allowed JQ to adapt and evolve when it’s admittedly smaller alliance groups could not get in as whole units to drive things. JQ has, through beta and now release, always played as a server, and I think the results of that are reflected in these recent events – and are a credit to everyone who was a part of this which I describe above. Kudos to all, from the bottom up and the top down, who have worked to make JQ a true team, and not just a server destination.

Binafus.8153:

JQ is going to learn something that the old HOD players already know.

It is Zero fun being on the top server, it is either work or long Ques.

It is not fun when the masses of noobs show up only wanting to run around and say hey I’m awesome I’m on the number server in GW2

The whole time HOD was unbeaten people kept saying Anet do something Anet do soemthing.

The balance to this game is up to the players not Anet, 90 percent of the good palyers will not stay on the number one server, for the ten percent that do I truely do not envy the task you have to keep your server number one.

That and HOD guilds leaving in droves. Please don’t act like JQ is the only server that had community and leadership. HOD was #1 since the start and undefeated, until now, for a reason. JQ now has the numbers to dominate but don’t act like it was your community as the ONLY reason for this. You can thank the mass exodus from HOD as helping with that.

I’m getting tired of people from JQQ thinking it was their server pride, community and organization that propelled them to the top spot. HOD has instant Qs in 3 out of the 4 maps when the Qs used to be hours. If that doesn’t speak volumes then I don’t know what does.

I never said these were the reasons JQ s currently number 1 – I am getting tired of people who cannot read. I clearly stated HOD was number 1 prior to recent events. I specifically stated that JQ’s community is what allowed it to deal with what the OP described as the “masses of noobs show up only wanting to run around and say hey I’m awesome I’m on the number server in” issue. Do they not teach reading comprehension in school anymore?

That said, do not confuse HOD’s nature with that of JQ’s – they are different. JQ DOES have a healthier community and stronger non-alliance leadership, this is not an opinion, it is fact – if it were not so, things would not be as they are. So save your superiority complex for someone else….a more aptly named poster I have never seen.

As you say, HOD guilds are leaving in droves…and without those guilds, the remaining community of players is less effective. This does in fact speak to community strength. HOD’s effectiveness was far more reliant on a single alliance or group of guild’s than JQ’s – the larger size and more vital nature of HOD’s core has left a great void now that it is gone. This fact is entirely counter to your premise.

And another thing, people need to stop talking about a number’s advantage – WvW has a cap. If a server can’t field enough people to fill that cap, then there is a reason for it – you want to cry about a number’s advantage, how about you look to the reasons BEHIND it.

And they call US JQQ…amazing.

Anthrage,
You could be on to something. I know SBI has gone through pretty much the same process. Although we really didn’t get started with the “community” part until BWE3. We also set up a server wide website and 500 slot TS3 for the people playing WvW whether they are in a guild or not.

For the core 1400 players and guilds that started the project back in BWE3 I can tell you that they will not be moving anywhere no matter what the score is or who is #1. Our main goal was getting everyone together on one server because of bad experiences with our guilds getting scattered over several servers from BWE1 to BWE3. Now, our guilds would be punished for moving because we would lose everything we have built up since release. Plus, I do not know how things are on JQ, but it has been obvious since release that SBI is not a WvW server. Like I said there are about 1400 people out of 39000 that are dedicated to WvW. So it became a no brainer to set up the forum and TS3 for all the 37600 that show up on a random basis to play WvW and don’t know what to do. And, I am sure you guys have the same experiences we do with all the people just showing up on a map to get 100% explorer completion or to do their monthly. Out of the guys doing monthly some have actually gotten involved in what was really going on and come back to actually play WvW.

All the drama two weeks ago was the best thing that could of happened to us. With all the people giving up and just not playing because of the scores the ques went away. And, those of us that like playing WvW got to do just that play. Going to T2 was like a breath of fresh air from the daily grind that T1 has become. The scores with IoJ and BG didn’t matter. I actually think all 3 servers were having a blast just doing what they like to do: play WvW.

But, in regards to your post. Treating your server as “the alliance” does seem to be the way to go.

We’re doing OK I’d say right now with the new folks.

Honestly, I wish HoD hadn’t crumbled. As a JQ player since launch, I’ve seen the sentiment numerous times that we were getting better so we could beat HoD, so we could beat TA— we were getting closer and closer each week, at least by the scores. HoD and their alliances were our final boss. And then, just as we were starting to get to where we could compete… poof. They collapsed, and now we’re left holding the trophy without having to work for it.

It’s an empty feeling.

Critwrench.8432:

Honestly, I wish HoD hadn’t crumbled. As a JQ player since launch, I’ve seen the sentiment numerous times that we were getting better so we could beat HoD, so we could beat TA— we were getting closer and closer each week, at least by the scores. HoD and their alliances were our final boss. And then, just as we were starting to get to where we could compete… poof. They collapsed, and now we’re left holding the trophy without having to work for it.

It’s an empty feeling.

‘Crumbled’ and ‘collapsed’ aren’t the right words.
‘Fled’ is. They ran away to get more practice against easier opponents.

Fact.

There is an extremely easy way to test whether the ‘Titan Alliance’ was the winning factor or whether it was the Zerg. The Titan Alliance has moved to Blackgate, the Zerg has moved to JQ, and so in a few weeks if JQ is an no.1 then clearly it was not the ‘Titan Alliance’ that was winning the match ups. The titan alliance was merely a catalyst for driving the zerg off HOD.

In any case….JQ is very boring right now. Anyone know of any lower tier servers with a really strong community who need more players….I was thinking Crystal Desert as I often see posts from them?