Guild Wars 2

A guild group on Overgrowth [DC] actually running eotm with about 20 people rolling uplevel pugs lol. Never saw it before. Is this what guilds who can’t wvw do?

I wish this happened more tbh. EotM was never meant as a safe place for uplevels. While it doesn’t count for score, it is another borderland for wvw style fun. I think there should be EotM guilds that specialize in destroying the other Teams karma trains and turning EotM into the player versus player zone it was intended to be.

Did it a while ago too because of the kittenty new WvW population limitations that still hasnt been lifted. Instead of bothering to queue for hours with no point (the guild had GvG later anyway) we brought the raid into EoTM instead, about 20-25 man or so.

Rolled everything, lol. 50 man enemy blobs? Half of them where down in the first 5 seconds of the fight. Those suped up tower lords that can wipe 30 man pug zergs? They died in 10 seconds.

So yes, its what guilds do who cant WvW because Anet cant fix their game.

Well, either that or they just wanted to have a laugh.

The later is more likely and totally understandable.

Should happen more often

These uplvl karma trains in eotm are disgusting

Yes, how dare they use the map for what it was intended for, WvW?

It is rather usual for guild groups to run around in EotM, either because there are queues, or because they want some training without hurting the real match-up.

Well it is supposed to be the wvw overflow map for when you can’t get into wvw due to queues. Not sure why you take exception to a guild group using it for wvw purposes?

[stOP] were in there as well on account of the immense size and ppt focus JQ has that time of day. When you have 400 ppt with 2 or 3 map blobs already in WvW there isn’t a whole lot else you can do.

It happens all the time. If people just want to learn new characters, train the guild, practice movements and work on synergy. Sometimes people just want a break from WvW maps too.

moar of dis pl0x

aquabat.2986:

[stOP] were in there as well on account of the immense size and ppt focus JQ has that time of day. When you have 400 ppt with 2 or 3 map blobs already in WvW there isn’t a whole lot else you can do.

It happens all the time. If people just want to learn new characters, train the guild, practice movements and work on synergy. Sometimes people just want a break from WvW maps too.

Like Aquabat said OP. Some servers, or simply days of the week, are just dead and there’s not many options. Given the choice between a raid ktraining a dead timezone or fighting zergs that are mostly uplvls, then personally I would rather go for the fights.

If you’ve ever played EotM to wipe zergs you know what happens when you do so: the place quickly becomes a ghost town. Whenever OG or a guild group starts running over the other colors everyone leaves for either a different map, or to do things elsewhere. As has been pointed out numerous times on these forums, the differences between EotM and WvW are profound. Stomping your feet and insisting that EotM is intended to be a WvW map just ignores the reality that it’s poorly designed, horribly unbalanced, and best lends itself to a ktrain map. You even see ANet employees on their uplevels in EotM just to ktrain. Somehow everyone else got the memo…

We laugh at EOTM, though the only time we go there is when we have a really boring matchup.

Even the karma trainers on our own side complain about guilds ruining their fun.

Well EOTM was originally for us, if we have a boring matchup, we’ll get off on killing you even if you are uplevels, simple as.

Besides, we have a tonne of T5 and T6 mats, you know how hardit is to get T3 and lower mats in WvW?! EOTM is basically our PvE farm for mats.

Sizzle Hint.1820:

Should happen more often

These uplvl karma trains in eotm are disgusting

It’s got nothing to do with not being able to WvW, skill-wise. In our case, we have ended up in eotm a few times as all other maps were queued. That the maps were full of uplevels is the fault of those players using it to level, rather than the fault of the guild there to WvW. It’s being used as intended from our end— as an overflow.

Sizzle Hint.1820:

Should happen more often

These uplvl karma trains in eotm are disgusting

Agreed, but should not be done as OG, but against OG.
At least in EU, red and blue have only 20 uplevels on the map against the 100 OG, this doesn’t really need further imbalance by guild-groups.

What’s lame is using a WvW map as a karma train because Anet never implemented it into the map rotation.

Ballads.2509:

I wish this happened more tbh. EotM was never meant as a safe place for uplevels. While it doesn’t count for score, it is another borderland for wvw style fun. I think there should be EotM guilds that specialize in destroying the other Teams karma trains and turning EotM into the player versus player zone it was intended to be.

Yes yes yes. More pvp in eotm. Ktrains are no fun

Sagat.3285:

Sizzle Hint.1820:

Should happen more often

These uplvl karma trains in eotm are disgusting

QFT

The blame for this is not on the players for wanting to use this map as a k train. The blame is on faulty design of the EotM format. If they are going to design a game format with no win incentive and make it very easy for up-levels to level up, you cannot fault the players for choosing to do so. If this game mode is going to be competitive, it should be designed as such. I wish EotM was competitive and wasn’t just ktrains avoiding each other and hitting empty structures. It could be a very fun game mode if it was changed a little.

Seems like typical behavior for a trash guild. They’d rather go after pugs than look for a fight that would be an actual challenge. It’s a little surprising though that there would be a guild so pathetic that they have to pick a fight with an eotm group.

Wow you guys, no sympathy for the uplvls and ktrainers?

Orochimaru.4730:

We laugh at EOTM, though the only time we go there is when we have a really boring matchup.

Even the karma trainers on our own side complain about guilds ruining their fun.

Well EOTM was originally for us, if we have a boring matchup, we’ll get off on killing you even if you are uplevels, simple as.

Besides, we have a tonne of T5 and T6 mats, you know how hardit is to get T3 and lower mats in WvW?! EOTM is basically our PvE farm for mats.

No it was not originally for you, it was meant as an overflow map and not for any specific kind of player.

I will remind these upscaled farmers next time when they complaing about the Ultimate Dominator farm in Obsidian Sanctum.

It is a lot of fun, loot and gold to farm uplvl blobs at eotm. Also it is punishment for turning eotm – new wvw map, into pve lvl farm and karma train. And finally lot of guilds can’t fit into servers so they run eotm to fight there cos u know lot of us like ot play this game for fights but can’t do that while in queue.

Here mem( tho it is a bit old mem when someone posted " stop organised groups at eotm after 5 guilds form fsp went therte to wipe em :P) about it : http://captiongenerator.com/15883/Eotm-Karma-Train

Lol. The people that defend this behavior are funny.

EOTM is a WvW map, correct. It was not intended as a place for karma trains to happen however the score counts for nothing and thusly most guilds/people are uninterested in using EOTM competitively.

I would consider it just fine to wipe karma trains, even if you do it for an entire match. It’s the guilds like [HK] that make a habit out of it that are sad. It’s about the equivalent of a grown man competing in little league with a bunch of 10 year olds.

Wiping karma trains, great, good for the big tough guilds that are hunting disorganized PUGs, mostly compiled of uplevels and people completely new to the game. It’s not wrong since it’s a WvW map but it doesn’t make it any less pathetic to do it.

Also, why is it so wrong that people ktrain in EOTM? It keeps the PvE farmers out of real WvW doesn’t ()()() it? I’d rather them all there farming until their hearts content than in my borderlands telling the commander they need to capture towers for their daily and scattering any time they’re faced with opposition because they just want loot.

+1 to the idea that it should happen more often.

Perhaps they should just delete EotM and put the resulting server resources into real WvW. Maybe that’d alleviate some of the lag issues.

Malediktus.9250:

No it was not originally for you, it was meant as an overflow map and not for any specific kind of player.

Overflow map for WvW players who were waiting for their queue! So yes it was originally meant for us, not ktrains and upleveling.

Ahh its like the Spartans declaring war on the helots. Got to show them whose boss every now and then.

OK wait a minute…. People kill other people, in a PVP orientated zone?? How dare they!

Nah they are just having fun in a PvP map, you know, since that is what is designed for.

That reminds me, I need to go play some knockdown laughs tonight.

I actually enjoy the challenge of commanding the PUGs and playing cat and mouse with the zerg hunters on EOTM. Problem is that the PUG s are usually horrible at following directions and you still lose quite a few of them as I and a the few who pay attention get away.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Lol. The people that defend this behavior are funny.

EOTM is a WvW map, correct. It was not intended as a place for karma trains to happen however the score counts for nothing and thusly most guilds/people are uninterested in using EOTM competitively.

That’s not true. The map is just not interesting to play due the lameness of it, not because PPT is not a thing.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

I would consider it just fine to wipe karma trains, even if you do it for an entire match. It’s the guilds like [HK] that make a habit out of it that are sad. It’s about the equivalent of a grown man competing in little league with a bunch of 10 year olds.

I would rather see it as a grown man teaching 10 y/o the hard way why PvP area’s shouldn’t be allowed to safely farm your karma/levels. Like you said, the PPT has no meaning so the only reason a guild would go eotm is to kill/punish some upscaleds for abusing the map for something it shouldn’t be used for.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Wiping karma trains, great, good for the big tough guilds that are hunting disorganized PUGs, mostly compiled of uplevels and people completely new to the game. It’s not wrong since it’s a WvW map but it doesn’t make it any less pathetic to do it.

Er… And farming karma in a PvP map rather than actually PvP isn’t pathetic?

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Also, why is it so wrong that people ktrain in EOTM? It keeps the PvE farmers out of real WvW doesn’t ()()() it? I’d rather them all there farming until their hearts content than in my borderlands telling the commander they need to capture towers for their daily and scattering any time they’re faced with opposition because they just want loot.

That’s a wrong asumption you’re making. PvE’rs go to the map because they can actually farm karma there. However, they can’t farm karma in the alpine borderlands. So if there was no EOTM, these pve’rs would just stay in PvE and would not move to the alpine borderlands like you mentioned.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Perhaps they should just delete EotM and put the resulting server resources into real WvW. Maybe that’d alleviate some of the lag issues.

I can’t recall ever having lag in eotm. Not sure if it’s due to the design and coding of that area or if it’s being run on a more powerful system.

Kanebrake.6192:

Lord Kuru.3685:

Perhaps they should just delete EotM and put the resulting server resources into real WvW. Maybe that’d alleviate some of the lag issues.

I can’t recall ever having lag in eotm. Not sure if it’s due to the design and coding of that area or if it’s being run on a more powerful system.

That’s because the server cap is lower and there’s rarely massive fights going on. Though I highly doubt it will even solve the lag problem by a tiny bit if eotm would be removed.

I see nothing wrong here you are farming a in a pvp area to level up and get karma they are farming you because it’s ignorant to think you can’t do this on a pvp map.

I see people’s opinions, but remember, there are uplevels from OG side too, ktraining and jumping up and down across the map.

mako.2431:

A guild group on Overgrowth [DC] actually running eotm with about 20 people rolling uplevel pugs lol. Never saw it before. Is this what guilds who can’t wvw do?

No. Guilds who can’t WvW Play EOTM karma train.

x Charlie.4820:

mako.2431:

A guild group on Overgrowth [DC] actually running eotm with about 20 people rolling uplevel pugs lol. Never saw it before. Is this what guilds who can’t wvw do?

No. Guilds who can’t WvW Play EOTM karma train.

You are both saying the same thing.

I actually like the more laid back feeling of eotm. Farming weak uplevels is not my idea of fun. But its still cool that people have the option. I just don’t want a-net to make further changes to encourage only max levels in eotm. Also, I dont get people who play solo defense of the key trait points. (I just went in trying to get some traits for a new character (already 80 though)) And this one ranger was defending against our team of 5 for the last 20 minutes of the match. I’m sure he felt good having prevented us from getting our traits, but I can’t grasp why. I mean he sat in a treb blasting the front gate, until the uplevels eventually ran for it, and I was left alone and had to give up for another time. I hope they fix wvw queue times if that was his reasoning, but there’s not much need for defense in the last few minutes of an eotm match. I mean, he didn’t even come out to face me 1v1 at the end. As I was hoping we could fight it out. I guess he was having fun guarding objectives. Good life lesson to work on your goals, but it seems like a random goal. (defend against players trying to unlock traits!) He could’ve gone to any other objective, but the three.

Regardless, I know he wasn’t at fault, and I will be super happy once the trait revamp is reverted.

One other way to look at it is this. Uplevels see the WvW forums as well as in the Borderlands and all the negativity thrown at them for having the nerve to be in WvW at all… being rally bags, not having all their skills and maxed armor, etc. So they go into WvW Junior, EotM.

EotM is a fast way to level as well as learn to take a pounding from their opponents. With a patient commander they may learn some tactics and get some experience before making the jump to WvW. Some see it as a way to get that level 80 quicker, unlocking their skills and acquiring that exotic armor. I don’t blame them at all for being there.

Of course, the k-train is a by-product of that. The more experienced players and guild groups that go there may be there because of full queues in WvW, but, there is also a part of them that enjoys the heck out of getting those ranks and loot too, as well as the thrill of easily killing uplevels.

Baddies go to eotm to farm uplevels to regain there confidence after they get beat on the field. Just kidding.

Hexin.5603:

x Charlie.4820:

mako.2431:

A guild group on Overgrowth [DC] actually running eotm with about 20 people rolling uplevel pugs lol. Never saw it before. Is this what guilds who can’t wvw do?

No. Guilds who can’t WvW Play EOTM KARMA TRAIN.

You are both saying the same thing.

I’ll highlight it for you since you missed it.
There’s a very big difference in training around avoiding combat and running around after enemy zergs.

I still see no reason to complain about being farmed in eotm. Uplevels need to be spanked on occasion. It’s like a bad match up in wvw look what hod is doing to poor dh and nsp. Take your lumps and move on.

xev.9476:

Stomping your feet and insisting that EotM is intended to be a WvW map just ignores the reality that it’s poorly designed, horribly unbalanced, and best lends itself to a ktrain map. You even see ANet employees on their uplevels in EotM just to ktrain. Somehow everyone else got the memo…

It was originally poorly designed to be an extension of wvw. Just because people decided to devolve it into a mindless karma train isn’t 100% anets fault. Staying that it wasn’t designed for wvw is just 100% incorrect.

The devs shouldn’t really be purpatrating the unintended use of the maps, but it’s unavoidable at this point.

Why does it matter if karma training is “mindless”? Some people enjoy it. Just because you don’t doesn’t mean they shouldn’t. It’s not a real WvW map, the score means nothing, if you’re just waiting on a Q you shouldn’t be there for any longer than 30 minutes to an hour so why can’t you just farm for the short while you’re there instead of complaining the whole time about how PvE’rs are ruining your gaming experience? If people are intentionally going to EOTM to have blob v blob fights then they must be sorely misinformed about the state of the map. It doesn’t matter what people want it to be, it is what it is and going there to cry about it isn’t going to change anything. Oh look a park was made and instead skaters are using the slides as a halfpipe and kids never go there because they don’t like it. Same idea. Just because it was made for something else doesn’t mean it’s wrong for people to use it a different way. It still sees plenty of action just not in the way ANet had in mind. Regardless it was a huge success besides the whiners who go there just to whine that not enough fights are happening or the tryhards that go there to steamroll disorganized uplevels.

SpellOfIniquity.1780:

Why does it matter if karma training is “mindless”? Some people enjoy it. Just because you don’t doesn’t mean they shouldn’t. It’s not a real WvW map, the score means nothing, if you’re just waiting on a Q you shouldn’t be there for any longer than 30 minutes to an hour so why can’t you just farm for the short while you’re there instead of complaining the whole time about how PvE’rs are ruining your gaming experience? If people are intentionally going to EOTM to have blob v blob fights then they must be sorely misinformed about the state of the map. It doesn’t matter what people want it to be, it is what it is and going there to cry about it isn’t going to change anything. Oh look a park was made and instead skaters are using the slides as a halfpipe and kids never go there because they don’t like it. Same idea. Just because it was made for something else doesn’t mean it’s wrong for people to use it a different way. It still sees plenty of action just not in the way ANet had in mind. Regardless it was a huge success besides the whiners who go there just to whine that not enough fights are happening or the tryhards that go there to steamroll disorganized uplevels.

So you are saying that the people interested in PvP on EotM should just GTFO?

WvWers, who get the LEAST out of this game, should respect PvE farmers and just leave them alone in a PVP map? Smart

I heard guilds go to eotm to farm the sweet sweet tears of entitled uplevels.

fishball.7204:

I heard guilds go to eotm to farm the sweet sweet tears of entitled uplevels.

Very rare. They sacrifice these to Zommoros for those precursors!

I must be one of the rarest EotM players.

As a fearmancer, I really enjoy going 1vzerg. I don’t look at the map where our commander tag is, I look to see what just flipped so I can position myself in the path of the enemy zerg.

I don’t care if it’s a ktrain zerg or a guild group zerg. I’ll even build mortars and oil, use the supercannon or even use up supply just to slow trains down.

EOTM benefits:

- Karma farm
- level new alts fast
- WvW rank gain relatively quickly
- necro fear spots for days
- bag farm (up levels)
- alternate setting for GvG fights
- alternate setting for duels
- test out new builds/gear etc

If EOTM didn’t exist it is more than likely WvW would have an influx in up levels which merely become bag fodder for the enemy 80 zergs and to rally off causing aggravation between both sides. Newer players alike may jump onto Flame Rams, for example, with zero perks in ramming thus causing things to proceed botheringly slow. Be grateful these inconveniences are drawn into EOTM instead.

Despite being so brain-dead forward (capture this place, move on) it is interesting to see how certain CMDs play. It is also somewhat of a task to get those uplevels to follow instructions. Maybe they are just new players? Maybe they have yet to unlock certain skills that allow them to benefit themselves and their Zerg/CMD (NPE..sigh)?

Either way, the karma is good and the bags are a bonus. Personally I find it entertaining seeing certain sides or guilds steamrolling each other or the ‘trains’ in general. It is, after all – a wvw oriented place which means hostile enemy players are present.

One last thing; without the use of teamspeak I think a lot of CMDs have done well herding what seems like cats half the time. And at least if those up levels/new players spend some time in there they may get a taste of what real wvw could be like.