Well, let’s put it this way. Average PvEr can get 1 gold in 30min just by going from place to place mining orichalcum. Zero effort. If you’re lucky, you will get 200g just pressing “1” in a huge zerg during some of the “one-time” events.
I’m called out the animal dung! Most players can run around Orr for 3 hrs and be lucky to get 1G. Orichalcum is worth very little in the TP and harder to find. All the mat’s from Orr have little value now. All I ever get for drops, and I run Orr daily, is some fairly worthless blues and greens. Maybe a yellow once a week. An exotic… pfft, I don’t even remember the last time. That’s with 75-80 on Magic Find too! Once you get enough money to buy exotic explorer’s armor, travelers runes, and opal trinkets maybe then you can get more gold/hour. But, you have to have all that gold to begin with!
See…. that is the “Top Down” problem as I described. Screw the entitlement argument since we all bought the game for around $60. But, once you break that exotic level barrier, you’re wealth obviously skyrockets. It’s that wealth that inflates the cost for everyone on the TP. Leaving newcomers and casual players way behind in the dust. Forever playing catch up.
It will be the demise of the game if not focused on by Anet, that you can believe. At least they appear to be working on it by having this past weekend event in conjunction with the free trial period. Newcomers were able to join in and get some good loot from the beginning. I wouldn’t be surprised if loot drops are in fact higher for those with less hours and less gold. Diminishing returns and tiered structures are required for a perpetual game design.
Psh, you think 70-80 is bad, try running around with zero. I don’t plan on ever switching to MF gear, but I still think it’s incredibly dumb that I have to sacrifice other much more useful things to have a .1% higher chance of getting something I can actually make money off of. GW1 had nothing of the sort, granted you could also kill large amounts of mobs much faster, but it still kept the rare drops rare and the economy pretty well balanced. PvP players had their chance at expensive items with the halls chest and Zaishen chest, PvE players had their chance at rare drops with bosses and dungeons. I played for five years and got one drop that got me a large amount of money, but you know how long that money lasted me? Up until the day GW2 came out, you know long most “rare drops” (exotics) profits will last you? About a day.
About a year ago I went back to play Warhammer, yeah I know shudder, and when you ding 40 you have to suffer through several months of being uncompetative and useless till you get Warlord gear and a decent amount of Renown Points to buy skills. This is a bad model for a Pvp game. Why? Quite simply it does not attract new players over a long period of time. New players reach max level, hit the gear grind, quit. Having a huge gear advantage is only detrimental to the long term viability of the game. Warhammer has been able to attract new players and players back but never retain them. This is a major reason why.
We don’t need to make mandatory gear treadmills, we make all of it optional
Assuming u all have exotics gear, how did u get them?
Unless u use badges equip, u had to pve, craft or buy.
And if u want pvp without equip stats u allways have spvp/tpvp.
Also usually pvpers want to have the best equips. So, if u want, u do it, noone forcing u to.
And how would u make fair ppl that have to do dungeons to get the items, and u would just have to keep aoeing a zerg to get same item?
Instead of this thread u would have pvers complaining wvw players get more benefits.
Kind of hard to balance things out, do 1 dungeon a day with friends and try to have fun in game^^
Not hard at all. Just make it so the moment you step into WvW anything over a certain tier is reduced in stats. The tech is already there when upleveling people. Essentially placing a cap on any given stats gear might have. Then it wouldn’t matter if you have 50000 power on a chest piece, if it just got reduced to 500 like everything else.
I wouldn’t hold your breath though. Even though it’s an easy fix, it won’t happen.
If you want the hawt gear, ya gots to pay your dues to go get it. It really isn’t much (psst…that’s why they say there isn’t a gear grind…you don’t have to kill 15k mobs in the hopes of one single drop). A couple of days max doing that icky pve and then you can go pew-pew instead of QQ.
Have you looked at what it takes to get this stuff (what is currently known at least)?
The back slot alone:
250 Teir 6 fine crafting material
1 Vial of Condensed Mists Essence
50 Globs of Ectoplasm
24 skill points
+to infuse
Base back slot item
Glob of Coagulated Mists Essence
250 Globs of Ectoplasm
Gift of Ascension
That’s quite a bit more than “a couple days max”
Would you please stop making a big fuss over 3 items that grant you 1% more stats and are hard to get (except for 1 which everyone should be able to afford – back).
By now these items got more stats than the exotics (rings about 10% per item and back 7,4% – compare to exotic not rare!!!!) but the rings are hard to get.
As stated before you guys are the WvW-Player with such great amount of experience and skill that i cant believe a PvE-Player would be able to beat you using a gear that got 1% more stats. (keep the sarcasm if you can find it)
For the qoute above – why the **** would you want to have the ringes infused using 250 ecto etc? Its just of use for the dungeon … so why even bother.
I dont like the gear upgrade btw. aswell being a gw1 player since beta but please stay reasonable and stop that QQ. Have some faith with that with the next set of ascended items you guys wont be left out and I could bet 50G PvE-Player will complain because you also get +5 agony on the items and are even allowed to choose stats by simply buying them from a merchant.
What you don’t understand is that this gear grind is killing the game, you can talk as much as you want players are still leaving.
Exotic stuff was affordable, ascended isn’t and i won’t play in exotic if i have to face players with ascended gear. So i’m scared it’s end of story for me and many players in the current state.
ANet lied to us promising a PvP game without gear grind or at least without something silly like ascended stuff. This and other unresolved WvW issues (culling, server lag, scoring system, …) makes me think it’s already too late, sad the game was fun at the beginning.
I know my post is the last one on page 1 but, it might help if you realize it’s only a 10% boost. NOT the 20%-50% some are making up.
Orichalcum Rings are +67/48/48 points with an upgrade slot for a jewel. Jewels are +25/15/15. Totaling 92/63/63 or 218 points.
Acsended rings are 103/68/68 or 239 total points with an Infusion only upgrade slot. Which is about a 10% increase, right?
Now, the new back items are about an 18% increase. Though back pieces needed a boost as they have been under powered. I’ve never even had enough Gold to purchase a Guild Back pack yet. So, the new items having a plentiful drop rate was welcomed.
Yes, I agree I do not like being forced to run Fractals. But, it’ll only be for a couple of weeks I tell myself. Though I’m aware I’ll be forever feeling without and near hopelessly grinding away to play catch up to the wealthy in this game anyway. This market functions around on a “winner take all” mentality when it requires more of a perpetual game theory enacted. Fun or entertainment rarely enters my mind anymore….
It is actually higher than a 10% increase if you had a full set, which is where that figure comes from. Ascended has 10% higher base stats without infusions, this is true. But you are is not accounted for is the higher base damage on a weapon (which they have said they will be including). That base damage, plus the extra stats from infusions, plus the way stats work (for example a crit will grow exponentially with higher stats and weapon damage) and how the 10% works out means you will be doing closer to 20% better when you do the math and have a full set.
Someone did a good post mathematically analyzing all this, which is where the 20% comes from, but it got lost in the big thread.
Assuming u all have exotics gear, how did u get them?
Earned karma in WvW and bought the gear in Orr.
Same here, 3 karma sets cause I’m stupid and indecisive. I really REALLY don’t to have to do this with ascended gear as well.. I dont particularly enjoy PvE and I’m a bit bummed that I’ll have to go back for quite a while to still compete in WvW once all the ascended gear comes out.
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I know my post is the last one on page 1 but, it might help if you realize it’s only a 10% boost. NOT the 20%-50% some are making up.
Orichalcum Rings are +67/48/48 points with an upgrade slot for a jewel. Jewels are +25/15/15. Totaling 92/63/63 or 218 points.
Acsended rings are 103/68/68 or 239 total points with an Infusion only upgrade slot. Which is about a 10% increase, right?
Now, the new back items are about an 18% increase. Though back pieces needed a boost as they have been under powered. I’ve never even had enough Gold to purchase a Guild Back pack yet. So, the new items having a plentiful drop rate was welcomed.
Yes, I agree I do not like being forced to run Fractals. But, it’ll only be for a couple of weeks I tell myself. Though I’m aware I’ll be forever feeling without and near hopelessly grinding away to play catch up to the wealthy in this game anyway. This market functions around on a “winner take all” mentality when it requires more of a perpetual game theory enacted. Fun or entertainment rarely enters my mind anymore….
It is actually higher than a 10% increase if you had a full set, which is where that figure comes from. Ascended has 10% higher base stats without infusions, this is true. But you are is not accounted for is the higher base damage on a weapon (which they have said they will be including). That base damage, plus the extra stats from infusions, plus the way stats work (for example a crit will grow exponentially with higher stats and weapon damage) and how the 10% works out means you will be doing closer to 20% better when you do the math and have a full set.
Someone did a good post mathematically analyzing all this, which is where the 20% comes from, but it got lost in the big thread.
Yep, I’ve seen several detailed posts all saying the same thing: 20%+ higher stats, and that’s before additional stats that come along with infusion. Scarier still, the infusions are fine quality only. Just wait for the better ones. Lastly, they’ve already said that more powerful tiers are coming.
only thieves know how to play, they chant “L2P” every time their god mode is challenged.
Ok, I will give you that if (when) they add additional qualities to the new gear they will further out shine the preexisting gear. For now though, it’s not that much. I’ll also agree, they have to work on power scaling functionality. It should be much more linear.
Look, I’m also on board with all of you complaining of the gear grind I just bought $20 in gems on Monday to jump start the trek to Ascended gear myself. It sucks and I’m angry about the Gold Sink too. In reality though, I’m an idiot! Because dying in WvW in 5 seconds or now maybe 3 seconds, is really little difference in game play, right?
Most players can run around Orr for 3 hrs and be lucky to get 1G. Orichalcum is worth very little in the TP and harder to find. All the mat’s from Orr have little value now. All I ever get for drops, and I run Orr daily, is some fairly worthless blues and greens. Maybe a yellow once a week. An exotic… pfft, I don’t even remember the last time. That’s with 75-80 on Magic Find too! Once you get enough money to buy exotic explorer’s armor, travelers runes, and opal trinkets maybe then you can get more gold/hour. But, you have to have all that gold to begin with!