Guild Wars 2

You shouldn’t be able to just set up 4 superior cats and melt reinforced walls of a keep in minutes, it just cheapens the entire experience. Even if you have people to defend you barely have enough time to set that defense up. I really wish this could be made more of an epic experience than just a constant game of keep/tower flipping.

how about superior dogs to fend off the cats?

PS sry i couldnt resist but i agree with op

FrenzyApe.5809:

how about superior dogs to fend off the cats?

PS sry i couldnt resist but i agree with op

Spiked collar upgrade is OP.

[Insert obligatory siege disable and call for reinforcements post]

Paper wall = paper cata
Reinforced wall = Superior cata…
If I used a regular cata it would take forever. Why can’t I target the corner of a wall to weaken the joined sections? Make that change for me please…

One Prarie Outpost.4860:

[Insert obligatory siege disable and call for reinforcements post]

Paper wall = paper cata
Reinforced wall = Superior cata…
If I used a regular cata it would take forever. Why can’t I target the corner of a wall to weaken the joined sections? Make that change for me please…

Or arc over the wall and hit the far one from the inside, directing the force in the opposite direction from where it’s buttressed. Utilize some physics, ANet!

(But not if that means having to find boulder to fling. Although Asurans…)

mako.2431:

You shouldn’t be able to just set up 4 superior cats and melt reinforced walls of a keep in minutes, it just cheapens the entire experience. Even if you have people to defend you barely have enough time to set that defense up. I really wish this could be made more of an epic experience than just a constant game of keep/tower flipping.

In the real world, if invaders happen across an empty castle with no siege weapons, is it really unfair for them to take it with ease?

If you cared about the castle, you should defend it by building siege on walls, and have scouts ready to call for reinforcements should a zerg roll by.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

If you cared about the castle, you should defend it by building siege on walls, and have scouts ready to call for reinforcements should a zerg roll by.

See, t’was just a matter of time.

One Prarie Outpost.4860:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

If you cared about the castle, you should defend it by building siege on walls, and have scouts ready to call for reinforcements should a zerg roll by.

See, t’was just a matter of time.

Well played.

One Prarie Outpost.4860:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

If you cared about the castle, you should defend it by building siege on walls, and have scouts ready to call for reinforcements should a zerg roll by.

See, t’was just a matter of time.

/bows

Taking minutes to down a wall isn’t what I’d consider melting. Also, if the catas are too close for mortars, one person on an arrow cart can completely shut them down.

Though, it’d make more sense if mortars weren’t so easy to kill…

Sviel.7493:

Taking minutes to down a wall isn’t what I’d consider melting. Also, if the catas are too close for mortars, one person on an arrow cart can completely shut them down.

Though, it’d make more sense if mortars weren’t so easy to kill…

Mortars are rock solid compared to cannons – when was the last time you actually found a cannon on your wall when the barbarians were at the gate?

When was the last time said barbarians piloted 50 Omega Golems outside your gate?

Smooth Penguin.5294:

When was the last time said barbarians piloted 50 Omega Golems outside your gate?

Thursday. I remember because we had bacon and cheese baked potatoes.

Rimmy.9217:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

When was the last time said barbarians piloted 50 Omega Golems outside your gate?

Thursday. I remember because we had bacon and cheese baked potatoes.

That’s a lie. I know for a fact that EBay doesn’t have pigs.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Rimmy.9217:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

When was the last time said barbarians piloted 50 Omega Golems outside your gate?

Thursday. I remember because we had bacon and cheese baked potatoes.

That’s a lie. I know for a fact that EBay doesn’t have pigs.

Chauvinists count as pigs!

Rimmy.9217:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Rimmy.9217:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

When was the last time said barbarians piloted 50 Omega Golems outside your gate?

Thursday. I remember because we had bacon and cheese baked potatoes.

That’s a lie. I know for a fact that EBay doesn’t have pigs.

Chauvinists count as pigs!

Touché

Rimmy.9217:

Sviel.7493:

Taking minutes to down a wall isn’t what I’d consider melting. Also, if the catas are too close for mortars, one person on an arrow cart can completely shut them down.

Though, it’d make more sense if mortars weren’t so easy to kill…

Mortars are rock solid compared to cannons – when was the last time you actually found a cannon on your wall when the barbarians were at the gate?

It happens sometimes, though I get maybe one shot off before I/it dies. It does seem rather silly that they’re so exposed and can’t be repaired.

Sviel.7493:

Taking minutes to down a wall isn’t what I’d consider melting. Also, if the catas are too close for mortars, one person on an arrow cart can completely shut them down.

Though, it’d make more sense if mortars weren’t so easy to kill…

From my experience superior siege are extremely tanky and arrow carts do like 1% of their HP per 10s :|. I was on an arrow cart spamming damage on a ram and after like 2 minutes the ram was still at 50%+ HP.

Shiyo.3578:

Sviel.7493:

Taking minutes to down a wall isn’t what I’d consider melting. Also, if the catas are too close for mortars, one person on an arrow cart can completely shut them down.

Though, it’d make more sense if mortars weren’t so easy to kill…

From my experience superior siege are extremely tanky and arrow carts do like 1% of their HP per 10s :|. I was on an arrow cart spamming damage on a ram and after like 2 minutes the ram was still at 50%+ HP.

The superior ACs shut down the rams by making it impossible to stay on them.

If it took longer GGWP after the first 30 min of the game for servers with a huge numbers disadvantage. At least this allows for small groups to possibly take something.

Rimmy.9217:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

When was the last time said barbarians piloted 50 Omega Golems outside your gate?

Thursday. I remember because we had bacon and cheese baked potatoes.

it makes me happy ebay finally gets to taste that sweet sweet humble pie (potatoes… potatoes pie? sweet potato pie… yea!) they’ve so long deserved. queue ebay (i see you rimmy!)

Steve Whitley.8359:

Rimmy.9217:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

When was the last time said barbarians piloted 50 Omega Golems outside your gate?

Thursday. I remember because we had bacon and cheese baked potatoes.

it makes me happy ebay finally gets to taste that sweet sweet humble pie (potatoes… potatoes pie? sweet potato pie… yea!) they’ve so long deserved. queue ebay (i see you rimmy!)

Janx!

And there’s no humble in us – we’re still running steadily I’m afraid. :-(

Normal siege just isn’t a thing anymore. Giant “Teams” with 8+ Omega golems are commonplace.

For this reason, IMO, Walls/Doors should either have more toughness or hit points or both.

mako.2431:

You shouldn’t be able to just set up 4 superior cats and melt reinforced walls of a keep in minutes, it just cheapens the entire experience. Even if you have people to defend you barely have enough time to set that defense up. I really wish this could be made more of an epic experience than just a constant game of keep/tower flipping.

heres an idea, get in ts, scout an objective and build defensive counter siege, and alert your team if its being attacked, OMG what a insane idea right? Now call me crazy but I have actually seen this work oOoOo

Rimmy.9217:

Steve Whitley.8359:

Rimmy.9217:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

When was the last time said barbarians piloted 50 Omega Golems outside your gate?

Thursday. I remember because we had bacon and cheese baked potatoes.

it makes me happy ebay finally gets to taste that sweet sweet humble pie (potatoes… potatoes pie? sweet potato pie… yea!) they’ve so long deserved. queue ebay (i see you rimmy!)

Janx!

And there’s no humble in us – we’re still running steadily I’m afraid. :-(

ah… my bad, i just assumed w/ that ppt differential that… silly me :P

Steve Whitley.8359:

Rimmy.9217:

Steve Whitley.8359:

Rimmy.9217:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

When was the last time said barbarians piloted 50 Omega Golems outside your gate?

Thursday. I remember because we had bacon and cheese baked potatoes.

it makes me happy ebay finally gets to taste that sweet sweet humble pie (potatoes… potatoes pie? sweet potato pie… yea!) they’ve so long deserved. queue ebay (i see you rimmy!)

Janx!

And there’s no humble in us – we’re still running steadily I’m afraid. :-(

ah… my bad, i just assumed w/ that ppt differential that… silly me :P

Nah. Us versus the real Maguum was a few weeks ago:

http://mos.millenium.org/servers/view/44/245

This week? Just the bandwagon heading upwards for another explosion. We’ll catch them again on the way down.

See? No pie!

X T D.6458:

mako.2431:

You shouldn’t be able to just set up 4 superior cats and melt reinforced walls of a keep in minutes, it just cheapens the entire experience. Even if you have people to defend you barely have enough time to set that defense up. I really wish this could be made more of an epic experience than just a constant game of keep/tower flipping.

heres an idea, get in ts, scout an objective and build defensive counter siege, and alert your team if its being attacked, OMG what a insane idea right? Now call me crazy but I have actually seen this work oOoOo

You’re so cool dude, you told me just like you said you would in your sig!!

Just happened, swords on fully upgraded keep during this hour which is not at all prime time for my server. We get the few people to the keep that we could….outer already down and inner is already taking damage. Within minutes they flood in and it is gone before we can mount any kind of defense. If this is the kind of “epic” siege rvr/pvp you want enjoy it, I want something more. If you cannot understand why a keep that took several hours and supplies to upgrade should not be able to be taken in 5 minutes then we have nothing to talk about.

Sometimes it’s epic sometimes it’s not. I know the struggle, I’ve been on many different servers in many different tier’s. You can’t expect every battle to be hours long especially on a server that has a lower population. Keep’s will get ninja’d, people will be lazy, things happen. You just have to be present for those amazing fights where every wall and gate in your keep are broken and the enemy keeps wiping and coming back and the whole process ends up taking a few hours before either they give up or succeed.

Refresh siege, make detailed scout calls, notify other maps (EBG/borderlands), use the siege, it will all make an attack much easier to deal with.

Also, a few minutes is a long time. It might not sound like it but a lot can happen in that frame of time so I wouldn’t call it cheap. It’s enough to prepare some defensive siege if there isn’t already some up and to send out a message across the other maps for back up if necessary.

2 men build an ac within 5 secs. 3 build sup ac. Sup ac melt catas way more faster as catas melt walls.
I dont realy like the whole siege experience. My favourite was fort aspenwood from gw1. That was a siege!

McWolfy.5924:

2 men build an ac within 5 secs. 3 build sup ac. Sup ac melt catas way more faster as catas melt walls.
I dont realy like the whole siege experience. My favourite was fort aspenwood from gw1. That was a siege!

With spirit-dropping ritualists everywhere.

mako.2431:

X T D.6458:

mako.2431:

You shouldn’t be able to just set up 4 superior cats and melt reinforced walls of a keep in minutes, it just cheapens the entire experience. Even if you have people to defend you barely have enough time to set that defense up. I really wish this could be made more of an epic experience than just a constant game of keep/tower flipping.

heres an idea, get in ts, scout an objective and build defensive counter siege, and alert your team if its being attacked, OMG what a insane idea right? Now call me crazy but I have actually seen this work oOoOo

You’re so cool dude, you told me just like you said you would in your sig!!

Just happened, swords on fully upgraded keep during this hour which is not at all prime time for my server. We get the few people to the keep that we could….outer already down and inner is already taking damage. Within minutes they flood in and it is gone before we can mount any kind of defense. If this is the kind of “epic” siege rvr/pvp you want enjoy it, I want something more. If you cannot understand why a keep that took several hours and supplies to upgrade should not be able to be taken in 5 minutes then we have nothing to talk about.

wow you lost an upgraded keep during off hours, that never happens to anyone does it? Get over it dude, its not the end of the world, it sucks, its frustrating, it happens to every server at some point, but its not the end of the world. Recap, rebuild, go attack the enemies territory. WvW is an open battlefield, your supposed to attack stuff, and be attacked. If it doesnt meet your pre concieved expectations by all means feel free to take a break or play something else, you have the freedom to do so. I mean really do you expect the enemy server to just not attack you or bring less people/siege because its not your prime time? My server always gets hit during our off hours, sometimes we hold our stuff, sometimes we dont, its not the end of the world.

It’s a flipping / backcapping game because there is no progression to the maps whatsoever. It’s turns it into a sheer numbers game. Throw focusing (2v1) into the mix and you can forget about battles altogether, just PPT zergs looking to flip as much as they can.

At least with EB each server has their own corner of stuff. But those BL maps are basically designed to put 2 servers against the 1 defending server, and theres no progression so they can hit everything at once with their numbers advantage.

That HoT map can’t come soon enough. They should put it out as a WvW feature pack or something.

Rimmy.9217:

McWolfy.5924:

2 men build an ac within 5 secs. 3 build sup ac. Sup ac melt catas way more faster as catas melt walls.
I dont realy like the whole siege experience. My favourite was fort aspenwood from gw1. That was a siege!

With spirit-dropping ritualists everywhere.

That was great! I don’t remember the exact combo but drop Recuperation, Shelter, etc. on Kurzik side and people would basically ignore them not realizing how much they were keeping the NPC’s alive.

And healing from behind the gate lol.

Man I wish people would play that still.

HoT said they would be making holding objectives more important.

grifflyman.8102:

HoT said they would be making holding objectives more important.

Hot Said they would make holding objectives more important from a map design PoV.
This means that you can actually control the flow of movement around the map by holding towers/keeps, which will be a more interesting change

Its going to make the strategy of defense much more valuable.

X T D.6458:

mako.2431:

X T D.6458:

mako.2431:

You shouldn’t be able to just set up 4 superior cats and melt reinforced walls of a keep in minutes, it just cheapens the entire experience. Even if you have people to defend you barely have enough time to set that defense up. I really wish this could be made more of an epic experience than just a constant game of keep/tower flipping.

heres an idea, get in ts, scout an objective and build defensive counter siege, and alert your team if its being attacked, OMG what a insane idea right? Now call me crazy but I have actually seen this work oOoOo

You’re so cool dude, you told me just like you said you would in your sig!!

Just happened, swords on fully upgraded keep during this hour which is not at all prime time for my server. We get the few people to the keep that we could….outer already down and inner is already taking damage. Within minutes they flood in and it is gone before we can mount any kind of defense. If this is the kind of “epic” siege rvr/pvp you want enjoy it, I want something more. If you cannot understand why a keep that took several hours and supplies to upgrade should not be able to be taken in 5 minutes then we have nothing to talk about.

wow you lost an upgraded keep during off hours, that never happens to anyone does it? Get over it dude, its not the end of the world, it sucks, its frustrating, it happens to every server at some point, but its not the end of the world. Recap, rebuild, go attack the enemies territory. WvW is an open battlefield, your supposed to attack stuff, and be attacked. If it doesnt meet your pre concieved expectations by all means feel free to take a break or play something else, you have the freedom to do so. I mean really do you expect the enemy server to just not attack you or bring less people/siege because its not your prime time? My server always gets hit during our off hours, sometimes we hold our stuff, sometimes we dont, its not the end of the world.

Listen dude, because obviously you have a thick skull. First of all I don’t care to hear you repeat your opinion I disagree with 100% over and over, move on. You don’t know me other than the fact I felt the need to make one thread about this, equating that to me thinking it is the “end of the world” is moronic. I still love the game, I still play the game, I simply think it can be better. Unlike some people (that would be you) if I think something can be better I speak up, I don’t just accept the status quo as “it is what it is”. Because just maybe there are people who agree with me, and there is, and this will be looked at in the future. Just because I complain about one thing in the game does not mean I am a sky is falling player. So get over yourself, because you have the same thing I do….an opinion. You are not unique here, and you are not right just because you say you are. Making this out to be some irrational complaint is absurd and you discredit yourself by continuing to do it.

I feel a fully upgraded keep (that took hours to upgrade) should not be able to be taken by a few catapults within 5 minutes. Why this is such an absurdly ridiculous and unrational opinion to you baffles me. I already got over this fact, the only reason I am still here is to make sure you know how unreasonable you truly are.

IF you lose a keep to 5 catas like that without trying to counter it…I think thats your own fault.Theres lots of ways to counter them.you failing at them doesnt mean it’s bad game design.You also obviously havnt played the first year in wvw where it took about double the time it takes now to get anything down…and no it wasnt fun

Caedmon.6798:

IF you lose a keep to 5 catas like that without trying to counter it…I think thats your own fault.Theres lots of ways to counter them.you failing at them doesnt mean it’s bad game design.You also obviously havnt played the first year in wvw where it took about double the time it takes now to get anything down…and no it wasnt fun

Alright dude, I am bowing out of here. You guys win. It is all my fault our keep was taken in 5 minutes. You are right, game mechanics have nothing to do with it.

mako.2431:

Caedmon.6798:

IF you lose a keep to 5 catas like that without trying to counter it…I think thats your own fault.Theres lots of ways to counter them.you failing at them doesnt mean it’s bad game design.You also obviously havnt played the first year in wvw where it took about double the time it takes now to get anything down…and no it wasnt fun

Alright dude, I am bowing out of here. You guys win. It is all my fault our keep was taken in 5 minutes. You are right, game mechanics have nothing to do with it.

Because people disagree ? I didn’t mean it’s “Your fault” as in you’re the only able to counter it,there’s more people on your server able to do the same.besides you got siege disablers aswell,with 2 people you can lock people’s siege down for eternity.

The problem is superior siege. And masteries.

Makes taking an asset too easy. Makes AC’s too rediculous.

@Caedmon Not sure what you’re talking about with the first year. The first year of WvW was way more fun than now.