Guild Wars 2

1. Blackgate – Ratio: 1.44

2. Northern Shiverpeaks – Ratio: 1.14

3. Maguuma – Ratio: 1.11

4. Tarnished Coast – Ratio: 1.09 (1.09.1)

5. Isle of Janthir – Ratio: 1.09 (1.08.8)

6. Darkhaven – Ratio: 1.06

7. Kaineng – Ratio: 1.05

8. Sorrow’s Furnace – Ratio: 1.04 (1.04.4)

9. Ehmry Bay – Ratio: 1.04 (1.04.1)

10. Stormbluff Isle – Ratio: 1.04 (103.7 )

11. Ferguson’s Crossing – Ratio: 1.01

12. Sea of Sorrows – Ratio: 1.00

13. Devona’s Rest – Ratio: 0.98

14. Yak’s Bend – Ratio: 0.95

15. Anvil Rock – Ratio: 0.94

16. Dragonbrand – Ratio: 0.91

17. Borlis Pass – Ratio: 0.89

18. Henge of Denravi – Ratio: 0.83 (083.3)

19. Fort Aspenwood -Ratio: 0.83 (082.8 )

20. Gate of Madness – Ratio: 0.75

21. Crystal Desert – Ratio: 0.70

22. Eredon Terrace – Ratio: 0.68

23. Jade Quarry – Ratio: 0.63

24. Sanctum of Rall – Ratio: 0.58

If only all kills counted towards the score and not just bloodlust.

If only there was source for this data, lol

Paavotar.3971:

If only there was source for this data, lol

But there is…..http://wvwintel.com/…..

I was thinking about making this list also cause I wanted to know how the week was going to wrap up. Ty for saving me the trouble

If any has been following the why ppk is bad thread I think this shows it would benefit half the servers, more than I expected. This lends positive support to making such a change.

This chart is really showing how awful it is to be the third place server in a tier. The only exception is NSP which is performing very well.

If only ppl would have enough knowledge to not make data say stuff it doesn’t…

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

If only ppl would have enough knowledge to not make data say stuff it doesn’t…

The bottom set of servers are getting run over and this K/D ranking backs that up. Having spent months (years) playing on servers in 3rd place in a tier it is the least fun position to be in often playing with few if any consistent keep WPs and defending mostly papered structures while trying to take T3s against superior numbers.

The list of 3rd place servers in their tier:

Eredon Terrace
Gate of Madness
Anvil Rock
Sanctum of Rall
Henge of Denravi
Crystal Desert
Fort Aspenwood
Yak’s Bend

Straegen.2938:

This chart is really showing how awful it is to be the third place server in a tier. The only exception is NSP which is performing very well.

Among many other things, yeah.

The sad thing is, the bulk of ppl seem to view that kind of metric as a ‘true’ measure of skill rather than yet another measure of just how kittened or advantaged your server is in a match-up more often than not around the clock.

Of course if 18 out of 24 hours you have significant numerical advantage over your opponents it will affect this rating in a way or another. And even if you got a pretty close glicko between opponents the peak activity of your server might be advantaged for that kind of metric if you happen to get an advantage at the ‘right’ moments of the clock where and when there is plenty to kill while being favored activity-wise.

The only way to measure what many dream of measuring would be to ensure equality for many variables. Good luck with that…

Having played on or against many of these servers I can say there is a reason they are 3rds.

Synosius.9876:

Having played on or against many of these servers I can say there is a reason they are 3rds.

Numbers and coverage “win” almost every time in my experience. Most servers that move up a tier perform poorly in that tier. Most that move down do very well. The exceptions are usually tied to transfers which is what makes/breaks most servers.

The entire argument that large scale server skill has some larger effect is bull kitten. Sure there are GvG groups that specialize in zerg busting but they account for only a small amount of total WvW play.

Synosius.9876:

Having played on or against many of these servers I can say there is a reason they are 3rds.

Come on Eko. I feel your [PAIN] too, honestly, and I’ve played on other servers too but if you are telling me we ‘deserve’ to have been paired with servers way over our weight class 3 weeks out of the last 4 (are we supposed to get a k/d of 1 or over in that situation?) or that we will deserve to roll over lower servers when we fall a tier back (because we previously deserved to get down?)I don’t know what to tell you.

I really understand where your frustration comes from but this is just wrong.

If only the data wasn’t bugged.

Server wide skill and knowledge is the largest factor in the long term success. This is why we laugh at band wagons, theres no brain behind the wheel and they win from week to week just cause bodies everywhere. They eventually fizzle out and drop.

If you can provide a fun and positive community growth will be permanent but it has to be slow enough for ppl to adjust and bond.

Synosius.9876:

Server wide skill and knowledge is the largest factor in the long term success. This is why we laugh at band wagons, theres no brain behind the wheel and they win from week to week just cause bodies everywhere. They eventually fizzle out and drop.

If you can provide a fun and positive community growth will be permanent but it has to be slow enough for ppl to adjust and bond.

You are preaching at the choir as far as I’m concerned.

Sorry SBI i think most of our deaths were me. Ill just stand at our spawn now

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Synosius.9876:

Server wide skill and knowledge is the largest factor in the long term success. This is why we laugh at band wagons, theres no brain behind the wheel and they win from week to week just cause bodies everywhere. They eventually fizzle out and drop.

If you can provide a fun and positive community growth will be permanent but it has to be slow enough for ppl to adjust and bond.

You are preaching at the choir as far as I’m concerned.

Then you should know this server we speak of has been holding a much higher position than they deserve.

The same MU on week 38 we got 2nd place.

Straegen.2938:

This chart is really showing how awful it is to be the third place server in a tier. The only exception is NSP which is performing very well.

We’re fighting DB and HoDB, the smaller fights are better but (and I’m not trash talking) on a large scale their group coordination could use some work.

Synosius.9876:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Synosius.9876:

Server wide skill and knowledge is the largest factor in the long term success. This is why we laugh at band wagons, theres no brain behind the wheel and they win from week to week just cause bodies everywhere. They eventually fizzle out and drop.

If you can provide a fun and positive community growth will be permanent but it has to be slow enough for ppl to adjust and bond.

You are preaching at the choir as far as I’m concerned.

Then you should know this server we speak of has been holding a much higher position than they deserve.

The same MU on week 38 we got 2nd place.

Like I told you, I do share your frustration. I know full well that the said server is being carried by a relatively small pop and that there is a lot of air in the bag of chips. That being said, it is still horrendously unfair to try to make the above data speak in ways it can’t, or say we deserve more or less the rank we have. Are the people below working harder or are they gifted with much more talent? If so than why aren’t they above? If anything, what is really frustrating of the said server is just how much potential lies stagnant considering a lot of things we both know.

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Synosius.9876:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Synosius.9876:

Server wide skill and knowledge is the largest factor in the long term success. This is why we laugh at band wagons, theres no brain behind the wheel and they win from week to week just cause bodies everywhere. They eventually fizzle out and drop.

If you can provide a fun and positive community growth will be permanent but it has to be slow enough for ppl to adjust and bond.

You are preaching at the choir as far as I’m concerned.

Then you should know this server we speak of has been holding a much higher position than they deserve.

The same MU on week 38 we got 2nd place.

Like I told you, I do share your frustration. I know full well that the said server is being carried by a relatively small pop and that there is a lot of air in the bag of chips. That being said, it is still horrendously unfair to try to make the above data speak in ways it can’t, or say we deserve more or less the rank we have. Are the people below working harder or are they gifted with much more talent? If so than why aren’t they above? If anything, what is really frustrating of the said server is just how much potential lies stagnant considering a lot of things we both know.

My statement was quite broad but ofc you think its about us. I would like to discuss my views at length but post would probably get deleted with infraction and thread locked.

Lets use FA for example, from my pov not on fa, is that they are getting focused by their opposition. Their place and ratio is the logical conclusion of the scenario.

I said there were ’reasons’ you turned that into ’deserve’...
Play this out in your head.

Edit: I luv wvw and talk about it endlessly. I like to get to know all their communities as best I can.

Synosius.9876:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Synosius.9876:

Sirbeaumerdier.3740:

Synosius.9876:

Server wide skill and knowledge is the largest factor in the long term success. This is why we laugh at band wagons, theres no brain behind the wheel and they win from week to week just cause bodies everywhere. They eventually fizzle out and drop.

If you can provide a fun and positive community growth will be permanent but it has to be slow enough for ppl to adjust and bond.

You are preaching at the choir as far as I’m concerned.

Then you should know this server we speak of has been holding a much higher position than they deserve.

The same MU on week 38 we got 2nd place.

Like I told you, I do share your frustration. I know full well that the said server is being carried by a relatively small pop and that there is a lot of air in the bag of chips. That being said, it is still horrendously unfair to try to make the above data speak in ways it can’t, or say we deserve more or less the rank we have. Are the people below working harder or are they gifted with much more talent? If so than why aren’t they above? If anything, what is really frustrating of the said server is just how much potential lies stagnant considering a lot of things we both know.

My statement was quite broad but ofc you think its about us. I would like to discuss my views at length but post would probably get deleted with infraction and thread locked.

Lets use FA for example, from my pov not on fa, is that they are getting focused by their opposition. Their place and ratio is the logical conclusion of the scenario.

I said there were ‘reasons’ you turned that into ‘deserve’…
Play this out in your head.

Edit: I luv wvw and talk about it endlessly. I like to get to know all their communities as best I can.

To be honest, I was not aiming you, even in a broad sense, at all. Maybe we will have a chance to discuss it on TS sometimes.

It’s kinda motivating. Since we don’t raid on weekends, our KDR was much lower (0.60?) But we raid late NA and I take a before and after raid shoot. we bump it up from 0.02-0.05 each night we raided. Although semi flawed, it is still an encouraging metric. Since we know in Late NA on CD, we’re usually the only guild raiding.

There is apparently a problem with some of the data and it may not be accurate.