So, about the random match ups, it certainly did something about a bigger variety of enemys. But it didn t solve the problem at all that servers in trouble cannot drop down tiers, and servers who are doing well cannot climb the ladder.
This Week Elona wins the match up and looses 60 000 Points. Same goes for Jade see, they win the Match up and loose a whooping 90 0000 Points. I mean seriously?
Yes maybee if they were alot superior they should have won by a higher margin. But how the hell is a server suposed to drop out of it s tier, when the server owning the tier is loosing points.
Whole servers try to not get any points, so they can drop down a tier and it takes them months to achieve this. Is it really the point of WVW to not take keeps or leave them undefended so you have a chance to drop down to the tier you belong ?
The competition is fiercer to become 3nd, then it is to become first.
Aurona- fugly white bark sylvarie ele
MS-Mondsucht, pure small scale forever !
Kodash-we thrife on outmanned
the way to lose points is to lose to a lower-rated server. the new random matchups make it possible for you to play lower-rated servers (particularly lower-rated servers from lower tiers, which the old matchup system never allowed).
the new system does not make it easier to lose rating by playing higher-rated servers; that is just as hard now as it has always been.
A number 3 server barely scratched out a win vs #9 and #10. Sure sounds to me like Jade was way over or Piken and Augury were under rated. Also realize that after months of stale match-ups, the top tier servers were absorbing all of the rating. It’s going to take some time to spread it back around. If a #3 server squares up against much lower servers, they should be crushing them, not just barely edging by. Seems to be working just find to me.
A number 3 server barely scratched out a win vs #9 and #10. Sure sounds to me like Jade was way over or Piken and Augury were under rated. Also realize that after months of stale match-ups, the top tier servers were absorbing all of the rating. It’s going to take some time to spread it back around. If a #3 server squares up against much lower servers, they should be crushing them, not just barely edging by. Seems to be working just find to me.
well unfortunately you missed the point… it s impossible to drop down a tier if the servers above you loose a huge amount of points by winning a match up.
I m actually quite jealous of Jade, that they lost so many points. We have been trying to achieve that for weeks. I agree that a top 3 server is expected to win by a larger margin, but still loosing 90k points for winning is out of any proportion.
In T2 Europe all 3 servers are trying to loose points, Desolation, because they had a mass exodus due to beeing stuck in T1. Kodash who have been stuck in T2 for over 3 months and have lost all but 1 dedicated 25 man guild and SFR who are sick of the low(+blobb) competition and want to have other opponents.
You see the logic in this? Me neither, because there is none.
Aurona- fugly white bark sylvarie ele
MS-Mondsucht, pure small scale forever !
Kodash-we thrife on outmanned
The point is the deviation between the top and the bottom has become huge. We’re not going to see fair representations with the rating evolution for a while until the lower tier servers have gained enough points and the higher tier servers lost enough.
This will of course mean that a few awful matchups will appear every week but in the long run it should work out better in general.
if they are losing points by winning matches, you can be certain that you will lose even more points by losing, if that’s what you want.
the absolute best way to lose rating points is to lose by a big margin to a server with a much lower rating. you can lose more points this way than any other method, including winning matches against lower opponents by “not enough”.
just wait for the randomness to give you a match against a lower rated opponent, then lose. you will lose a ton of points.
A number 3 server barely scratched out a win vs #9 and #10. Sure sounds to me like Jade was way over or Piken and Augury were under rated. Also realize that after months of stale match-ups, the top tier servers were absorbing all of the rating. It’s going to take some time to spread it back around. If a #3 server squares up against much lower servers, they should be crushing them, not just barely edging by. Seems to be working just find to me.
Yea we lost by like 30k points vs the r3 server on AR, and we are now paired with the r18 and r20 server, holding 3 keeps on home BL servers with both enemy servers going out manned in 10 minutes when they couldnt take anything of us.
Sure some match ups can have unexpected results but the ones that are silly like the current one AR is playing shouldnt even be possible.
A number 3 server barely scratched out a win vs #9 and #10. Sure sounds to me like Jade was way over or Piken and Augury were under rated. Also realize that after months of stale match-ups, the top tier servers were absorbing all of the rating. It’s going to take some time to spread it back around. If a #3 server squares up against much lower servers, they should be crushing them, not just barely edging by. Seems to be working just find to me.
Yea we lost by like 30k points vs the r3 server on AR, and we are now paired with the r18 and r20 server, holding 3 keeps on home BL servers with both enemy servers going out manned in 10 minutes when they couldnt take anything of us.
Sure some match ups can have unexpected results but the ones that are silly like the current one AR is playing shouldnt even be possible.
Im already bored and its only been 1h.
At least you shouldn’t have to worry about the arrowcarts in this match
A number 3 server barely scratched out a win vs #9 and #10. Sure sounds to me like Jade was way over or Piken and Augury were under rated. Also realize that after months of stale match-ups, the top tier servers were absorbing all of the rating. It’s going to take some time to spread it back around. If a #3 server squares up against much lower servers, they should be crushing them, not just barely edging by. Seems to be working just find to me.
Yea we lost by like 30k points vs the r3 server on AR, and we are now paired with the r18 and r20 server, holding 3 keeps on home BL servers with both enemy servers going out manned in 10 minutes when they couldnt take anything of us.
Sure some match ups can have unexpected results but the ones that are silly like the current one AR is playing shouldnt even be possible.
Im already bored and its only been 1h.
At least you shouldn’t have to worry about the arrowcarts in this match
What? I thought arrow carts were intended to help the outmanned servers! So if anything we should see more arrowcarts, that or… the game is broken!
You need to stop thinking in terms of tiers too… they don’t exist in this format. You are what your rating and rank # says you are. Dropping to the next ‘tier’ doesn’t mean anything anymore. You lose rank points or gain rank points, and are then matched with appropriate (a term we use loosely for the time being) opponents.
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You need to stop thinking in terms of tiers too… they don’t exist in this format. You are what your rating and rank # says you are. Dropping to the next ‘tier’ doesn’t mean anything anymore. You lose rank points or gain rank points, and are then matched with appropriate (a term we use loosely for the time being) opponents.
The “tier” thought process is what created this problem, IE population shifts. “we are going into t1 we need more people” created stacked servers, if guilds in T1/2/3 would spread OUT to other servers we wouldn’t see these insane blowouts purely based off 1 servers ability to out-man the others.
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My fun laughs at your server pride.
You need to stop thinking in terms of tiers too… they don’t exist in this format. You are what your rating and rank # says you are. Dropping to the next ‘tier’ doesn’t mean anything anymore. You lose rank points or gain rank points, and are then matched with appropriate (a term we use loosely for the time being) opponents.
The “tier” thought process is what created this problem, IE population shifts. “we are going into t1 we need more people” created stacked servers, if guilds in T1/2/3 would spread OUT to other servers we wouldn’t see these insane blowouts purely based off 1 servers ability to out-man the others.
It is so difficult for any server winning a match up comprehensibly to continue fighting hard throughout the week. In fact what I have noticed is all attempts at playing properly go out the window.
Dominant servers have stopped having scouts or simply ignoring reports of attacks, as the match ups are pointless exercises in boredom.
The sad thing is it was obvious after this last week, that whatever was in ANet’s mind was going to be a failure, yet they have been far to indifferent to the feelings of the community about this. I can only assume they just don’t care.
Pitting AR against their opponents this week, Deso facing Viz again, Elona dropping yet another tier just shows how awful this match up system is. It needs to be sorted out before there is no wvw community with which to try different things with.
Unless SoR gets BG I and many others will not be showing up next week, its a shame that it has become pointless playing. What exactly are we playing for? I am at a loss at the moment.
It is so difficult for any server winning a match up comprehensibly to continue fighting hard throughout the week. In fact what I have noticed is all attempts at playing properly go out the window.
Dominant servers have stopped having scouts or simply ignoring reports of attacks, as the match ups are pointless exercises in boredom.
The sad thing is it was obvious after this last week, that whatever was in ANet’s mind was going to be a failure, yet they have been far to indifferent to the feelings of the community about this. I can only assume they just don’t care.
Pitting AR against their opponents this week, Deso facing Viz again, Elona dropping yet another tier just shows how awful this match up system is. It needs to be sorted out before there is no wvw community with which to try different things with.
Unless SoR gets BG I and many others will not be showing up next week, its a shame that it has become pointless playing. What exactly are we playing for? I am at a loss at the moment.
So servers stopped playing competitively because they outnumbers other so much that they don’t need to? Man, I could have made a fortune selling that bit of advice…
Unstack servers and you won’t have this issue..
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My fun laughs at your server pride.
So servers stopped playing competitively because they outnumbers other so much that they don’t need to? Man, I could have made a fortune selling that bit of advice…
Unstack servers and you won’t have this issue..
But its not just that tbh. I am going to assume the majority of WvW players play to win WvW (yea sure some play for fun no doubt, but people like working together as a community and overcoming the enemy I imagine, and I say I imagine cause I could hardly care). When you look at the current system, winning or losing doesnt matter, you can win and drop or you can lose and rise.
We were 30k points or so away from the 3rd ranked server in Eu and got paired vs 19 and 20 this week, and in blue side as well, so somehow one of these servers managed to close and overcome 400 rating?
The problem is the RNG factor gives more rating than the actual outcome of the match up. I could have said from day 1 that having a value of 1 multiplying by the deviation was a kittened idea, but I no longer have faith in the devs abilities to do maths, afterall 80% on arrow carts and 1k bonus range (sure 1k range got reverted, but how was it ever a good idea to begin with).
remember, the random factor counts only for making the matchups. it’s not used for anything else (in particular, it’s not considered part of your server rating for scoring or ranking purposes).
So servers stopped playing competitively because they outnumbers other so much that they don’t need to? Man, I could have made a fortune selling that bit of advice…
Unstack servers and you won’t have this issue..
But its not just that tbh. I am going to assume the majority of WvW players play to win WvW (yea sure some play for fun no doubt, but people like working together as a community and overcoming the enemy I imagine, and I say I imagine cause I could hardly care). When you look at the current system, winning or losing doesnt matter, you can win and drop or you can lose and rise.
We were 30k points or so away from the 3rd ranked server in Eu and got paired vs 19 and 20 this week, and in blue side as well, so somehow one of these servers managed to close and overcome 400 rating?
The problem is the RNG factor gives more rating than the actual outcome of the match up. I could have said from day 1 that having a value of 1 multiplying by the deviation was a kittened idea, but I no longer have faith in the devs abilities to do maths, afterall 80% on arrow carts and 1k bonus range (sure 1k range got reverted, but how was it ever a good idea to begin with).
My point was directed at him saying that they’ve stopped scouting etc, which is why I said that because they’ve created a situation where they outnumber their opponent on a weekly basis that they don’t need to act competitive.
If servers weren’t stacked as they are, you wouldn’t get these kind of insane blowouts because the population wouldn’t be top heavy.
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My fun laughs at your server pride.
