Guild Wars 2

I was under the impression that leagues were going to be determined on Mar 28 when season actually started. Many seem to be under the impression they were determined on Mar 14th when the new transfer prices were set.
Can anyone confirm?

Quick Mouse.7635:

I was under the impression that leagues were going to be determined on Mar 28 when season actually started. Many seem to be under the impression they were determined on Mar 14th when the new transfer prices were set.
Can anyone confirm?

I also though that it was set on march 18. It would have make no sense to allow free transfer to a server and then because of a bad match up lose ranking and fall into bronze.

I have looked for infos on that today and didn’t find anything.

I thought it was looser than that, were the rankings are determined after the tournament ends. So, for instance, the 1-6th rank servers will be 1-6 of the gold leage, then 7-15 are 1-9 in the silver, and 16-24 is 1-9 of the bronze league, thus leading to the EXACT SAME SITUATION as last time, where the winner of the silver league does better than the 2nd place winner of the gold league.

Talk to the battle historian to find out where you server lies in the tournament. It is very bugged though, odds are it won’t know of your server..

warriorjrd.8695:

Talk to the battle historian to find out where you server lies in the tournament. It is very bugged though, odds are it won’t know of your server..

He’s never heard of Sorrow’s Furnace. Our lord, the Iron Forgeman will make the historian a part of history.

league placement will be determined on March 28.

the March 14 rankings were used only to determine pre-tournament transfer pricing which is in effect from March 18 through March 27.

-ken

Snowreap.5174:

league placement will be determined on March 28.

the March 14 rankings were used only to determine pre-tournament transfer pricing which is in effect from March 18 through March 27.

-ken

[needs citation]

this has been discussed before. it is already decided. based on march 14th.

if you think about it, why would ANET grant free transfer to servers of certain ranking but then only decided the league ?

what they are doing now is :
1. determine which server goes to which league, and then
2. grant free transfer to servers of certain rank in those league.
…. which is correct way.

so, since it is already determined which servers get the free transfer, it conclude that the league are already decided.

azizul.8469:

this has been discussed before. it is already decided. based on march 14th.

if you think about it, why would ANET grant free transfer to servers of certain ranking but then only decided the league ?

what they are doing now is :
1. determine which server goes to which league, and then
2. grant free transfer to servers of certain rank in those league.
…. which is correct way.

so, since it is already determined which servers get the free transfer, it conclude that the league are already decided.

[citation needed]

Again, I’ve seen lots of these threads, and I’ve seen lots of people claim lots of things, but I’ve yet to see a single dev response, nor have I seen a single person cite an official statement to back up their claims.

here’s the citation:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/get-ready-for-wvw-spring-tournament-2014/

the “Pre-tournament sale” chart says below it that prices will be based on the rankings on March 14. the chart also says that this pricing will be in effect from March 18 through March 27.

just below that, the “Tournament pricing” chart says that prices will be based on the rankings at the start of the tournament, March 28.

the March 14 rankings don’t determine the tournament brackets, they only determine the pre-tournament transfer pricing. that is all.

the March 28 rankings will determine the tournament brackets, and also the price of transfers during the tournament. transferring to servers at the top of each bracket will be the most expensive, and servers at the bottom of the bracket will be least expensive.

-ken

why would they have 2 different pricing if tournament bracket only decided on 28th ?

azizul.8469:

why would they have 2 different pricing if tournament bracket only decided on 28th ?

They wouldnt because it makes no sense. I agree with you that it only makes sense that they lock in the league positions on the 14th if they are going to change the prices on the 18th

Then I have two little questions for you:

1.) Why they change the prices on 28th based on 28th ranking and not on 14th ranking?
2.) Why they didn’t make the leagues associations official, if they are already been set?

So I don’t believe that it is decided already until a dev gives us the information or the league associations will be made official.
Anet please answer this, there are enough threads open about this single theme, end speculations and give us clarity.

P.S.: As I remember the preseason 1 prices were also based on the ranking two weeks before season 1 started and the prices and associations of leagues for season 1 were set on the ranking of the date when season started.

Rabe.9804:

Then I have two little questions for you:

1.) Why they change the prices on 28th based on 28th ranking and not on 14th ranking?
2.) Why they didn’t make the leagues associations official, if they are already been set?

P.S.: As I remember the preseason 1 prices were also based on the ranking two weeks before season 1 started and the prices and associations of leagues for season 1 were set on the ranking of the date when season started.

Preseason 1 never had prices adjusted… The prices were the ones it always been prior march 18th (Which was 1800 to VH, 1000 to H, 500 to M)

Ok, thank you.
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Edit: Here their news from then:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/preseason-sale-world-transfers/
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I found their announcement of Season 1:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/welcome-to-world-vs-world-season-1/

Snowreap.5174:

here’s the citation:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/get-ready-for-wvw-spring-tournament-2014/

the “Pre-tournament sale” chart says below it that prices will be based on the rankings on March 14. the chart also says that this pricing will be in effect from March 18 through March 27.

just below that, the “Tournament pricing” chart says that prices will be based on the rankings at the start of the tournament, March 28.

the March 14 rankings don’t determine the tournament brackets, they only determine the pre-tournament transfer pricing. that is all.

the March 28 rankings will determine the tournament brackets, and also the price of transfers during the tournament. transferring to servers at the top of each bracket will be the most expensive, and servers at the bottom of the bracket will be least expensive.

-ken

As others have mentioned, that doesn’t actually prove anything.

I’m not looking for syntactical analyses of blog posts, I’m looking for a red post that actually answers the questions.

as far a i know, there hasn’t been any official announcement yet on which servers goes to which leagues.

all the statement made in this thread so far are based on personal understanding/ comprehension .

my point is, there was already a red post that answers the question, but you have to read the whole thing carefully.

that post explains that “pre-season pricing” and “post-season pricing” are in fact different (even though we didn’t have any such thing in season 1), and that they will be based on ratings from different dates.

season 1 brackets were based on the rankings in effect the moment season 1 began. Arenanet has not announced that this is going to be any different in season 2, so the same rule applies. the only thing that has changed is how matchups within the brackets are being determined — this time it is going to be Swiss Style.

sure, another red post on this would be nice, but if we don’t get one, your best bet is to plan on using the March 28 ratings.

-ken

It only makes sense to do rating on the 28th just in case a server at the top of the league gets super stacked or a server near the bottom completely implodes.
Currently the only servers that this really affects is DB and FA; but it could have been more.

Ken has a good head on his shoulders—he always makes well thought out posts. I’m inclined to agree with him on this one.

I can see where the misconception happened here because of the pre- and post-tournament pricings, but it doesn’t make sense that tournament placements would be made two weeks before the tournament begins. With large population shifts taking place, the ratings wouldn’t have enough time to adjust. (Though I do think it is a bit foolish to offer free transfers up to the day before the tournament.)

For Season 1, the placements weren’t determined until the last matches concluded. We can see that Maguuma gained enough rating in the eleventh hour to make it to gold.

I’ve given up waiting for a dev response, so I’m going to stick to my own form of logic, no matter how skeptical you all may be :P

Rabe.9804:

Ok, thank you.
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Edit: Here their news from then:
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/preseason-sale-world-transfers/
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I found their announcement of Season 1:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/welcome-to-world-vs-world-season-1/

Well, they lowered the price for high servers from 1000 to 800… Minor change if you ask me (200 gems is about 15g)… The other pricings remained the same.

On season 2 they are completely changing the prices based on where the servers are ranked, and where they will be on leagues…

Only ANet knows for sure because at best we have vague references to go by so far. However going by season one and IMO what makes the most sense, season leagues will be determined on March 28th at reset. If that is the case, the leagues are pretty much settled except for Mags, FA and DB all of which could still land in Silver. Although FA is the most likely to do so.

Straegen.2938:

Only ANet knows for sure because at best we have vague references to go by so far. However going by season one and IMO what makes the most sense, season leagues will be determined on March 28th at reset. If that is the case, the leagues are pretty much settled except for Mags, FA and DB all of which could still land in Silver. Although FA is the most likely to do so.

Depending on next week, NSP/SF might swap places aswell…

Jeknar.6184:

Depending on next week, NSP/SF might swap places aswell…

60k point differential makes that swap unlikely but certainly not impossible.

Straegen.2938:

60k point differential makes that swap unlikely but certainly not impossible.

If SF get matched with the dying DH, they are likely to gain a lot of rating…
And if NSP get matched with HoD, they are likely to lose rating (HoD is a powerhouse atm)

You would be amazed of how this difference could vanish with ease just with a bad dice roll.

Jeknar.6184:

If SF get matched with the dying DH, they are likely to gain a lot of rating…
And if NSP get matched with HoD, they are likely to lose rating (HoD is a powerhouse atm)

You would be amazed of how this difference could vanish with ease just with a bad dice roll.

Glicko likes stability so while a 60k shift is possible, there would probably have to be some tanking to make it happen. Again not impossible but unlikely.

60 pts in glicko is a lot of ground to cover. NS would have to lose by a wide margin and SF would have to win by a whole lot.

Their current delta this week was not even 40.

Straegen, I think you are underestimating HoD at the moment.

So let me try to put it in perspective for you.

Before free transfers, CD/HoD/SF matchup was really close. CD was up on HoD by 12k. Since, the free transfers, HoD has constantly been ticking 450+. CD could only keep up during our strong SEA time, but that only lasts for like 4 hours.

Now, if HoD were to be matched up with CD and/or NSP, the final score would look similiar to the DB/SBI/SoR score. This could easily drop CD/NSP to bronze. (SoR lost 80pts last week because of this lopsided score)

neomagic.9056:

Straegen, I think you are underestimating HoD at the moment.

I am not underestimating HoD. What I am relying on is that Glicko measures score stability. The longer a server has been at a certain score the more difficult it is to move it up or down. NS and SF have been in their relative positions for a long time making them very difficult to unseat even with a horrible performance. Adding to that is they are likely going to face servers with similar stability.

As for SoR, they already had a volatile score. That volatility allowed them to move a great deal. This is the way Glicko works… volatility over time allows for greater mobility in ranking. Stability allows for less. Glicko is not a simple calculation of how well you do in one match, but one that is meant to factor in how well a server does over several matches.

Again it isn’t impossible but improbable.

NSP would have to deliberately tank even if fighting HoD to lose 60k. As I agree that HoD is a lot stronger it will be beated by FA, DB or Maguma.

FA was in silver last season. NSP fought that server and TBH you have no idea how strong they are VS a server like ours.

IMO NSP is stronger than CD at this moment and I would be curious to see how we fare VS BP or YB.

yanoch.7051:

IMO NSP is stronger than CD at this moment and I would be curious to see how we fare VS BP or YB.

Very well would be my guess. BP has little coverage and musters maybe two decent sized groups NA prime. I haven’t seen a queue’d map in a while. Even then the guy that queue’d it is gone.

That said we still have a lot of roamers and skirmishers so many of us can still make for some tough fights even against larger organized guild groups.

I don’t know jack about HoD, but they will be lucky to beat any of the true T3 servers. FA/DB, IoJ, and YB will be hard to beat.
I personally think the most interesting matchup in Silver will be HoD vs SBI. HoD’s momentum vs SBI’s experience.
The next closest thing to an interesting match will be CD/NS/BP. BP has had a high skill-level but by losing so much of their core it should be close.

Chris.3290:

I don’t know jack about HoD, but they will be lucky to beat any of the true T3 servers. FA/DB, IoJ, and YB will be hard to beat.
I personally think the most interesting matchup in Silver will be HoD vs SBI. HoD’s momentum vs SBI’s experience.
The next closest thing to an interesting match will be CD/NS/BP. BP has had a high skill-level but by losing so much of their core it should be close.

If HoD is queueing multiple maps and has any after hours presence they will easily be competitive with YB and probably will beat them as things are today. YB does have a possible ace up its sleeve and that is its PvE players coming to WvW. Last season they became a beast in their bracket thanks to a great consistent PvE turnout in WvW.

SBI is still a mystery. They are holding up well against the overnight DB horde so they have a solid shot at 2nd but I doubt any server locked into Silver will be able to manage FA or even DB over the long haul.

We have an answer now to the thread topic:

Leagues will be based on 28th March ranking:

Allie Murdock.8152:

Hey all,

So I sent this thread to the dev team to get some answers for you, and here’s what we’ve got!

When the tournament starts, world ratings are used to sort the initial matchups. This will include the results of the match ending on March 28th.

Matchups will not function in the same manner as they did in Season 1; The initial round of the tournament will match the worlds in each league according to their world rating. After that round has ended, worlds will be matched up according to how many points they have in the tournament. This will continue after each round, which means that the matchups are not predetermined but are dependent upon the results of the previous matchups. If two teams have the same number of points, the team with the higher world rating will be considered the higher seed for the purposes of the matchup. Matchups will continue to match worlds that are close to each other in performance, rather than following a predetermined schedule – which will make for much more exciting and competitive matches. (I stole that from Devon’s blog :P)
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https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Many-questions-so-Dev/first#post3793228