Guild Wars 2

Hello everyone,

So, I’m a relatively nooby WvW player. I’ve done SPVP since head start and as of lately, I’ve left that side of the game behind in favor of WvW.

Last week, I watched a video by a WvW dev talking about the upcoming changes to the borderlands. I saw the buff part and I was excited about it. I mainly became excited because of the part where he talks about how a small group of players can do these things.

I primarily solo and I am not a big fan of joining the herd of players, running from point to point.

I then immediately saw much venom on the forums about this buff. As someone that never really played WvW prior to this, I am a bit confused on the drawbacks of the buff.

Can someone please explain to me why the community is not liking this change? I’m sure it’s something obvious for players that play a lot, and clearly, I’m just not putting 2 and 2 together because of how little I’ve played WvW up to this point.

Thanks in advance.

The negativity about this buff is mainly caused by the stat buff it gives.
This buff is mainly being there to attract spvp players or small roaming groups, however most of these players want fights where they dont have an edge over the enemy due to bonuses they cant controll as it ruins teh sense of accomplishment.

The other negativity comes from the 150 bonus stats being there when a server greatly outnumbers the opponent or simply obtains the buff during the night and keeps it easilly (keeping it will be an easy job)
This means the strength between a bigger and smaller server becomes even bigger.

Only positive thing about this buff is that it will attract players to neutralize this buff on balanced matchups, which don’t happen often unless you look at T1 fights.
These fair matchups wont happen when the leagues hit.
Picking a stat buff is a cheap and easy way to make the buff attractive but its causing more problems than it will solve.

The main reason players, or the majority of players who know what they are talking about, dislike this buff is because of the snowball effect its predecessor had. Previously there was an Orb that was able to be taken on all Borderlands that could be placed on an alter inside of a keep inside the borderlands that gave the owner a buff. What happened was that the strongest server generally kept the Orb’s throughout the week after night-capping all keeps and upgrading them to tier 3.

In this new form it will simply mean that the server with the biggest zerg able to press 1 in the mass lag this new area will cause will get the buff – So once again the strongest server will be even stronger. It does not help World vs World, it does not add any more levels of strategy, it simply exacerbates a problem that is already prolific.

Most of the venom you are seeing is actually nothing to do with the buff at all, as nobody could sanely support the buff for the sake of itself. The venom is being exhibited by some WvW players (lets call them Ernie) who feel that some other WvW players (lets call them Bert) that also like to do organised team versus team fights in WvW maps sometimes act in a high handed manner.

Ernie is acting in support of the +stat buffs as he rather gleefully realises that it will kitten on Berts parade as the idea of pre arranged group versus group fights is to be on as level a playingfield as possible. Ernie seems quite happy to kitten on everyones parade including his own just so that Bert will be a sad panda.

Lurch.9517:

Most of the venom you are seeing is actually nothing to do with the buff at all, as nobody could sanely support the buff for the sake of itself. The venom is being exhibited by some WvW players (lets call them Ernie) who feel that some other WvW players (lets call them Bert) that also like to do organised team versus team fights in WvW maps sometimes act in a high handed manner.

Ernie is acting in support of the +stat buffs as he rather gleefully realises that it will kitten on Berts parade as the idea of pre arranged group versus group fights is to be on as level a playingfield as possible. Ernie seems quite happy to kitten on everyones parade including his own just so that Bert will be a sad panda.

I love how every Orb topic somehow gets on the topic of GvG in some disillusioned fashion…

Roaming groups will be actually hit the hardest by this update. Previously they could take on a 5v10 or 7v15 because they can make up for the numbers with some skill, build and tactics.. That will not be the case with the buff. Those 10 or 15 people will have up to +150 stats, making them hit harder and be tankier.

Lurch is misguided. I don’t like the buff, I don’t gvg. Stacking stats on the larger server will continue to alienate smaller servers.
Bert and Ernie are not part of this conversation.

The biggest server can miss the most people and have the most people present on all borderlands, meaning they have an easier time capping the buffs.

+150 on all stats is a serious buff, people who remember the orbs probably know that with all the orbs, taking down 5 people solo wasn’t even a challange. Meaning duels in WvW will be worthless, roaming parties will have it either to easy or to hard.

GvG, something tons of WvW players only play for, preventing them from getting a burn out, will be impossible now. Trolls will cap the buffs making the fight uneven. And you can’t justify such a big stat boost.

Nothing good comes from a stat boost, it ruins the fun on many many levels. The mechanics of capping points is nice and removing the lake is great, don’t get me wrong. But the reward for it HAS! to change.

MiLkZz.4789:

The biggest server can miss the most people and have the most people present on all borderlands, meaning they have an easier time capping the buffs.

+150 on all stats is a serious buff, people who remember the orbs probably know that with all the orbs, taking down 5 people solo wasn’t even a challange. Meaning duels in WvW will be worthless, roaming parties will have it either to easy or to hard.

GvG, something tons of WvW players only play for, preventing them from getting a burn out, will be impossible now. Trolls will cap the buffs making the fight uneven. And you can’t justify such a big stat boost.

Nothing good comes from a stat boost, it ruins the fun on many many levels. The mechanics of capping points is nice and removing the lake is great, don’t get me wrong. But the reward for it HAS! to change.

Maybe all of the open field guilds can have a “Buff of the Day” – a chosen cap point in which to have open field fights in and around it.

MarMaster.6241:

Lurch is misguided. I don’t like the buff, I don’t gvg. Stacking stats on the larger server will continue to alienate smaller servers.
Bert and Ernie are not part of this conversation.

You my friend need to either learn to read or work on your powers of comprehension.

I actually think the new points are actually kind of cool, minus the cannon. The stat buff, however, gives an unfair advantage to larger servers and will ruin a lot of open field fights.