Guild Wars 2

All this anti-WvW talk as of late based on hate directed towards reintroduction of the Orb mechanic is beyond crazy.

There’s such a thing as Creative Freedom (points to PG-18 video: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/8049-Creative-Freedom-Strings-Attached?utm_source=videos&utm_medium=index_carousel&utm_campaign=all )

The developers make the game, and they make it in their design and image. Players can choose to play it the way they make it, or they can choose to go else where and play something else. This is freedom on both sides. Players do give the developers feedback, they listen, but they can also choose not to follow what is less critical opinion, more coached dictation.

WvW is the brainchild of the developer’s way of making Open World PvP that doesn’t interrupt PvE. It’s a way to have Realm fighting from larger pool of players than individual servers. And it’s also a way for other guilds on your server to work WITH your guild -instead of against- so as to keep civility amongst the player base within the communities.

PvE is somewhat split from WvW, just as sPvP is. Just like sPvP, if they introduce more modes it’ll split the playerbase even further; meaning that introduction of GvG will take a major shot at the population to split from WvW or other modes. Splitting the community is a bad thing.

But back to what I was saying about Freedom. This game has never announced GvG to be a key feature or one that was going to add in the immediate future post-release (or even right now, 1 year down the line). Based on that information, customers have the freedom to purchase this product knowing that feature wasn’t in the game. They also have the freedom to continue playing the game or leave the game knowing that feature isn’t a priority to the developers. They do NOT have the freedom to try to dictate the creative direction the developers choose to go with THIER GAME.

P.S. As an additional note: I’m kind of glad that this Orb bonus might actually stop the faux GvG behind the windmill. They’ll either stick to their threats and leave the game (yay?) [freeing up queue slots in the process], or they’ll actively participate in the WvW meta as was originally designed.

I think you’re a hater

Your PS was the main point of your post. Nice dig.

What a long winded rant of dev kitten kissing… First you say accommodating more game-play modes is a bad thing because it splits the population. Certainly a fallacious and naive argument because player population is not a static resource and they will either play or not if the game accommodates what they want. New game modes always attracts more players to the game and keeps the existing players happy. But then in a contradiction, you also say the developers should do w/e the hell they want and if it causes competitive players to leave that’s good(?). I guess for casual players like yourself – ok so that’s a troll not an argument.

To refute the false assumption that the opposition to a stat buff is all about GvG and a very small minority, take a look at this thread: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Vote-Do-you-want-a-blood-lust-buff/first

No, it seems more like a very large majority with very good reasons.

And second, the unoriginal argument that GvG is threat to WvW is refuted by the fact that GvG guilds are made out of dedicated WvW players (GvG is not the main activity).

Anyway, I’m so glad I’m not in T1 that (based on what I’ve been reading) only cares about its queue times and PPT. By the same criteria, anyone found akitteng or even gathering mats must be sent to the gas chambers for their queue spot wasting… And I can’t even imagine what happens to uplevels that are not only taking valuable queue spots but also rally bait.

if anything, structured pvp will be adjusted to attract this unofficial “scene” of people in WvW who clog up queues to zerg clash eachother

lupercaleb.6041:

if anything, structured pvp will be adjusted to attract this unofficial “scene” of people in WvW who clog up queues to zerg clash eachother

Spvp ? And do what, sit in a circle watching the paint dry?
It`s so exciting, that`s why most of the spvp players are leaving. That and the amazingly fun and interesting meta.
Gvg`s are actually a very small part of what those guilds do in wvw, most of the time they do wvw and actively help their servers.
Maybe you`d notice it if you`d move away from your arrowcart for a few minutes a day.

I genuinely do not understand the people that spew hatred at GvG players and want them to leave WvW. The only servers that could possibly be affected by GvG are the extremely stacked servers and if these servers lost all their GvG active WvW guilds they would sink like stones as all the hangers on would leave also.

Take Syphhead the OP he made a laborious post as a build up to his real point which was the naive snarky P.S at the end. Why not tell us more about yourself Syph? Which server are you on, what guild are you in, how long have you been playing the game? What is your preferred play style? How many servers have you been on?

Seems like a “If you’re a GvG guild and don’t like this update, sck it and leave my server thanks”, shame that majority of ppl stll don’t get that GvG’ers are first and foremost WvWers, and the most active of the server most of the time.

Anyway @ OP,

/coolstorybro

Siphaed.9235:

P.S. As an additional note: I’m kind of glad that this Orb bonus might actually stop the faux GvG behind the windmill. They’ll either stick to their threats and leave the game (yay?) [freeing up queue slots in the process], or they’ll actively participate in the WvW meta as was originally designed.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/We-are-all-World-vs-World-players/

Yet another thread of GvG bashing and trying to link every topic to GvG.

6 weeks ago was blobs, if you wanted to talk about Omnomberry Pies, ppl said… ‘oh another blob QQ’.

12 weeks ago was thief, if you wanted to talk about Omnomberry Pies, ppl said… ‘oh another thief QQ’.

Now is GvG, if you want to talk about Omnomberry Pies, ppl say… ‘oh another GvG QQ’.

Why ppl can’t stay in topic? plenty of the concerns with the bloodlust buff has nothing to do with GvG – and while GvGers will get affected by it, is more about the bigger picture and the snowballing effect it can cause… yet ppl only want to focus in one part, open your eyes guys, GvGers will find a solution to it, if they want to keep it alive they will – but how is WvW going to cope with the snowball effect of the buff?

Xenn.3809:

GvGers will find a solution to it, if they want to keep it alive they will – but how is WvW going to cope with the snowball effect of the buff?

The sad answer to your question matey is that it will continue just the same except that blow out matchups will become bigger blow outs and reasonable matchups will not be overly affected. IIRC the vast majority of complaints about the orbs back in the day was the hacking rather than the snowball effect, although WvW playstyle was a lot less developed by playerbase back then.

What a very sad excuse for a post covered in rhetoric and counterproductive arguements that simply wash over the fact that this buff is not good for World vs World, not because GvG players dont want it but because it creates a snowball effect with regards to winning servers.

Once upon a time servers used to give up due to an Orb buff that made games even more one sided than they are currently. When the game went from 24hr resets to weekly resets servers were quitting WvW after the weekend due to the ability of servers to stack buffs from the Orb and attain not only more points but also to increase their ability to bunker down inside a tower/keep and retain those points! It is not good for the World vs World game… if you cannot see that due to your dislike for the GvG scene then you really should take a long look at your post and realise you arent helping any situation.

P,S Complaining about others complaining because they want you to play the game the way they want and then you want them to play the game the way you want – its called hypocrisy…

People who hate GvG are either pugs, in a bad guild, or are in NA T1.

ParaldaWind.4523:

People who hate GvG are either pugs, in a bad guild, or are in NA T1.

Or prefer to play on a skilldependant scale instead of 20vs20 Blobballingstackmightomgwaterfieldsmashsmashsmash100%hpagainrinserepeat.
Also this:

Zumy.6318:

I have said this before and I will be happy to say it again:

20vs20 GvG is an easy way for casuals to feel competitive to an extend.

Let them have their way. Who cares about PVT heroes? They do not harm anyone.

The attentionwhoreing undermining everybody else is annoying though.

-Stream about Ascended stuff: I could not care less, but all you could read was GvG Spam. Period.
-Stream at PAX: I was interested in the NA/EU kittenwars and all I could read was “raise your Teldos” and GvG again.

Attentiongriefers. At best.

Many things are being done great by Devon and Ruby + Team to make WvW more enjoyable, split the Zergs and add rewards even a PvPer has use for. I really dont want to see any ressources wasted for Zerging V_2.1 to please people that dont give a cold snot about the people that actually want to watch the stream they keep sabotaging. You know, the other 99,9% of the playerbase.

GvGers meet wherever you want and do what you want, but stop putting yourselves above everyone. Funniest thing is Ogro comparing them to the Jews during Holocaust. As a German I found this very disturbing and ridiculous. Not mentioning that by behavior patterns you would play the other part of the story.

Guilds fighting guilds obviously require no skill then.

Hello,

As this thread is not inviting to constructive and healthy discussion, it is now closed.

Thank you for your understanding.