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ArenaColin posted:

As an engineer main, this remains one of those things I’d love to see addressed…But the reality is we need the bulk of our own internal engineers (coders!) to continue to focus on stuff like our major WvW overhaul right now we’ve been working on for over a year that’s much higher priority for the game over-all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3u7bo1/no_hope_for_legendary_effect_on_engineer/cxcqyvo

Bit split here between cautious optimism considering the current state and cold cynicism considering pretty much every single new ‘feature’ introduced until now. I guess i’ll hug EB while i can in case it’s replaced by EotM by surprise.

No responses from anyone? This is great news!

Now that we lost the primary reason to complain, the WvW forums have suddenly … gone silent.

Although there is no details or timeline, this is still great news to hear.

U guys still believe in anything anet is saying?!

They will prolly implement a new pve event … nothing else , they just dont care.

They should be able to see that they did “NOT GUD WORD” with the new maps and noone is that honest to say: well , ok guys as we see noone is rly enjoying the new maps that they get played properly , we gonna go back to old borderlands and add the new borderlands to pve.

Nothing will change , they dont even answer, even when so many ppl request an repply ….

no real announcement has been made. this is a vague, broad offhand comment given as a reason for not fixing something else that’s been missing from the game for years..

Exciton.8942:

Although there is no details or timeline, this is still great news to hear.

Or its gonna create more fear among us. What will the new stuff be, more time gating? Harder to make and less useful guild siege? Will they make +5 even harder to access?

Or better yet, let me guess, they will wipe out all the guild upgrades once we finally have access to them again, only to have them even more time gated and more expensive to make…….so we will only be left pvd’ing everything? Every “fix” they introduce creates more bugs, breaks wvw, and more silence.

Sorry, Im a bit salty….. Gonna go sit in the corner now.

So much negativity.

The squad UI was a nice change. Don’t deny it , it’s not a PvE-only change because it shows supply.

There’s still a ton of bugs from the Desert BL (https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-Bug-List/first#post5724062) and the walls are glitchy (lol) but a few bugs have been squashed.

Infusion.7149:

So much negativity.

The squad UI was a nice change. Don’t deny it , it’s not a PvE-only change because it shows supply.

Yes. Squad UI was fine. What else?

saturn.4810:

Now that we lost the primary reason to complain, the WvW forums have suddenly … gone silent.

More like everybody I used to know who gave a hoot is playing other things now.

sphinx.8107:

Infusion.7149:

So much negativity.

The squad UI was a nice change. Don’t deny it , it’s not a PvE-only change because it shows supply.

Yes. Squad UI was fine. What else?

Removal of culling. To me that’s the one shining beacon in a list of dubious features.

A long time ago, I heard a guy on TS talking about all these amazing changes coming to WvW. He read about them on some engineer’s blog. It wasn’t until nearly a week later that people started talking about it here… and that’s because they posted the John Corpening statement we have stickied.

Here’s the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp1_zgyLmRs&t=0m46s
(Corpening part starts 47 seconds into the video.)

I wish the devs weren’t so vague about their plans/intentions and atleast give some hints :P

(I know it spoils the fun but still…)

“major WvW overhaul”
Can’t come soon enough… I just got gems to transfer to T1 so now I don’t know what to do.

Hmmm map overhaul? Fixing bugs? Server / world changes? I wonder what this could mean.

Major wvw over haul
-golems are now free to build
-golems now move 100% faster
-golems now do 100% more damage
-golems can now use gliders.

Done and done

lol I can just see it now, big announcement saying “We know how much the WvW community loves PvE, so we have decided to release a hint that the next Elder Dragon is located in caverns beneath stonemist castle in the eternal battlegrounds, and we will have a huge story line with many meta events situated in WvW.”

/sarcasm

in all seriousness, map designs are moving very similar to EoTM style maps, and I don’t think they understand that players that play WvW “full time” are in most cases not the same people that play EoTM’s, to make everyone happy they need to seperate as many similarities between WvW and EoTM’s as possible, when it comes to map design, we see them as 2 different game modes. EoTM is one big K-train (i know it was intended as a solution for queues), while WvW is primarily (excluding a few servers), used as battlefields. EoTM is for rewards/karma/WXP and WvW is for winning can be winning fights or MU’s. It’s starting to feel as though any things being added to WvW now (just like the new maps), should belong to EoTM not WvW.

New maps look beautiful, and they should be very proud of them, but they don’t belong in WvW. Personally I would place them (with a little tweak) into an EoTM rotation and give WvW alpine maps back 25% larger than before with the sentry effect, old waypoint and upgrade system.

Wryscher.1432:

Major wvw over haul
-golems are now free to build
-golems now move 100% faster
-golems now do 100% more damage
-golems can now use gliders.

Done and done

-To use golems, you need to have HoT, full HoT map completion, gold in all adventures, and grind 20mio exp for mastery.

tluv.5821:

No responses from anyone? This is great news!

What a coincidence when Devon Carver threads started yesterday.

I smell damage control, and I will believe it when t happens (which right now it seems like never).

I’m not buying what his selling, nor should you.

Well, it’s not like they can make it much worse, can’t they? Either they manage to fix it this time or they’ll merely speed up the sink into insignificance.

Wryscher.1432:

Major wvw over haul
-golems are now free to build
-golems now move 100% faster
-golems now do 100% more damage
-golems can now use gliders.

Done and done

Players from opposing worlds are no longer hostile to one another.
To earn points for your World, you must participate in and complete dynamic events across the map. something we like to call ‘competitive PvE’

Twinny.9304:

lol I can just see it now, big announcement saying “We know how much the WvW community loves PvE, so we have decided to release a hint that the next Elder Dragon is located in caverns beneath stonemist castle in the eternal battlegrounds, and we will have a huge story line with many meta events situated in WvW.”

/sarcasm

in all seriousness, map designs are moving very similar to EoTM style maps, and I don’t think they understand that players that play WvW “full time” are in most cases not the same people that play EoTM’s, to make everyone happy they need to seperate as many similarities between WvW and EoTM’s as possible, when it comes to map design, we see them as 2 different game modes. EoTM is one big K-train (i know it was intended as a solution for queues), while WvW is primarily (excluding a few servers), used as battlefields. EoTM is for rewards/karma/WXP and WvW is for winning can be winning fights or MU’s. It’s starting to feel as though any things being added to WvW now (just like the new maps), should belong to EoTM not WvW.

New maps look beautiful, and they should be very proud of them, but they don’t belong in WvW. Personally I would place them (with a little tweak) into an EoTM rotation and give WvW alpine maps back 25% larger than before with the sentry effect, old waypoint and upgrade system.

I totaly agree with you on this.
Most WvW people now are not playing gw2 (taking break till old map comes back) or are only in eb.

Anet give us our old borerland maps back, make them a little bit bigger and old upgrade system back.
And maybe try to ad the combat style that the guards have in eotm, its looks more realistic.
Don’t give us a map that looks like a pve map (we mostly don’t play that crap).
We love WvW what it was, so dont sqrew it up for us.

Wryscher.1432:

Major wvw over haul
-golems are now free to build
-golems now move 100% faster
-golems now do 100% more damage
-golems can now use gliders.

Done and done

Don’t forget “Enter Golem, get buffs, leave Golem” PVD…

Twinny.9304:

lol I can just see it now, big announcement saying “We know how much the WvW community loves PvE, so we have decided to release a hint that the next Elder Dragon is located in caverns beneath stonemist castle in the eternal battlegrounds, and we will have a huge story line with many meta events situated in WvW.”

/sarcasm

in all seriousness, map designs are moving very similar to EoTM style maps, and I don’t think they understand that players that play WvW “full time” are in most cases not the same people that play EoTM’s, to make everyone happy they need to seperate as many similarities between WvW and EoTM’s as possible, when it comes to map design, we see them as 2 different game modes. EoTM is one big K-train (i know it was intended as a solution for queues), while WvW is primarily (excluding a few servers), used as battlefields. EoTM is for rewards/karma/WXP and WvW is for winning can be winning fights or MU’s. It’s starting to feel as though any things being added to WvW now (just like the new maps), should belong to EoTM not WvW.

New maps look beautiful, and they should be very proud of them, but they don’t belong in WvW. Personally I would place them (with a little tweak) into an EoTM rotation and give WvW alpine maps back 25% larger than before with the sentry effect, old waypoint and upgrade system.

Careful. When they were releasing the WvW masteries, I made a joke about them releasing PvE mastery next and…… now there’s PvE masteries. They seem to take clear sarcasm as wise and insightful suggestions, good suggestions as mindless complaints, and legitimate complaints as personal attacks against the very core of their being. It’s a very bizarre state of affairs.

put it out of its miseries already

sphinx.8107:

Infusion.7149:

So much negativity.

The squad UI was a nice change. Don’t deny it , it’s not a PvE-only change because it shows supply.

Yes. Squad UI was fine. What else?

Npc sentries showing enemy, tougher gates and walls (so that when you see white swords you actually have time to respond and an auto tower flip isn’t a given).

Well this is at least some contact and direction tho why no ones said anything on THIS forum I dont understand its like they are all afraid to comment in here or something.. >.<

Any mention of a re-haul sends a shiver down my spine when I consider the wonders they gave us with HoT. It’s apparent to me – since they’ve given me no reason to think otherwise – that whoever is in charge of WvW development right now has no concept of how the game mode is supposed to work.

Calista.1975:

Well this is at least some contact and direction tho why no ones said anything on THIS forum I dont understand its like they are all afraid to comment in here or something.. >.<

Seems the devs are afraid of their own forum.

Couldn’t they just give the desert borderland to the PvE people?
Add a huge fire dragon in the earth keep, some air elemental in the air keep, etc. with some big loot. They will be happy.
Then give us back the old borders, we’ll be happy.

Ironvos.9014:

Couldn’t they just give the desert borderland to the PvE people?
Add a huge fire dragon in the earth keep, some air elemental in the air keep, etc. with some big loot. They will be happy.
Then give us back the old borders, we’ll be happy.

That would be great!

Though I fear that people would then complain again about no new maps for WvW.

Lol if you believe this is anything other than the standard PR crap then you haven’t been here long enough.

Infusion.7149:

So much negativity.

The squad UI was a nice change. Don’t deny it , it’s not a PvE-only change because it shows supply.

They only finally made changes to the squad ui because of the raids, don’t kid yourself.
We asked for those upgrades to it years ago.

As for the “grand plan to revive wvw” at this point I’ll believe when I see it, it’s just offhand comments we’re hearing.

Ye give the desert borderlands to pve ppl , they´ll love it.

Give us back old borders and merge maybe few servers in the lowest tiers … dunno

But what´s anet doing is just killing wvw ppl. Also if u want the new stats u are forced to do pve , lol?!

Ppl told anet a thousand times , Arena is to small , not even that is noticed.

Well anet , i guess many many ppl are thinking about quitting the game , good job guys , rly good job … ( many already did … )

rchu.8945:

tluv.5821:

No responses from anyone? This is great news!

What a coincidence when Devon Carver threads started yesterday.

I smell damage control, and I will believe it when t happens (which right now it seems like never).

I’m not buying what his selling, nor should you.

Damage control would be to actually release news about upcoming WvW changes.
Anet always do this about PvE/sPvP, why is WvW so secret?

So I cant buy that either.

saturn.4810:

Calista.1975:

Well this is at least some contact and direction tho why no ones said anything on THIS forum I dont understand its like they are all afraid to comment in here or something.. >.<

Seems the devs are afraid of their own forum.

This makes me chuckle. Here we have an “official” ANet supported forum, and the devs post everything on Reddit. It does seem they avoid this place.

Atra Culpa.5012:

no real announcement has been made. this is a vague, broad offhand comment given as a reason for not fixing something else that’s been missing from the game for years..

Plus it was made in a thread totally unrelated to WvW. Its not really new though because it echoes what John Corpening said and at least reinforces the fact that there are changes coming.

Well wvw is kind of hard to fix because it’s like huge blender. Anet just drop all kind of different style players in blender and this is reason why it taste like kitten.

No release date, no announcement
overhaul…. I don’t like this word.

The major overhaul could simply mean the new borderlands and wrapping up the development on them.

It’s a glimmer of hope for WvW, but it’s very imprecise in regards to what we should expect. They’ve been working for over a year on a “Major overhaul”. This implies that it’s going to be a huge change, bcause I doubt you would work a year on something as simple as a server merge when it was already done for PvE a long time ago.

Hopefully this “Major” update is a new scoring mechanic, a new reward system, and a new alliance-based server system that prevents the accumulation of empty maps.

Be afraid, be very afraid… whatever they touch it only brings more suffering to this valley of tears we call wvw.

Ok they made it so you can use a whole stack of luck essence, that is very nice. Still I’m baffled it wasn’t implemented for all the awesome treasures we get, like bags and pouches etc. Or a “decompose everything” button.

And squads are nice.

Dawdler.8521:

rchu.8945:

tluv.5821:

No responses from anyone? This is great news!

What a coincidence when Devon Carver threads started yesterday.

I smell damage control, and I will believe it when t happens (which right now it seems like never).

I’m not buying what his selling, nor should you.

Damage control would be to actually release news about upcoming WvW changes.
Anet always do this about PvE/sPvP, why is WvW so secret?

So I cant buy that either.

At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if we haven’t gotten specifics because they don’t actually have anything yet.

rchu.8945:

tluv.5821:

No responses from anyone? This is great news!

What a coincidence when Devon Carver threads started yesterday.

I smell damage control, and I will believe it when t happens (which right now it seems like never).

I’m not buying what his selling, nor should you.

Completely agree.
And again to the guy below me

Just wondering who has actually been working on it since over a year when the WvW lead designer hasn’t worked in WvW since 8 months.

msalakka.4653:

Any mention of a re-haul sends a shiver down my spine when I consider the wonders they gave us with HoT. It’s apparent to me – since they’ve given me no reason to think otherwise – that whoever is in charge of WvW development right now has no concept of how the game mode is supposed to work.

^This^

What you said! OMG, I couldn’t agree more with the feeling that I felt reading this thread.

Particularly this line…

msalakka.4653:

Any mention of a re-haul sends a shiver down my spine when I consider the wonders they gave us with HoT…

Now, with the above said, the WvW changes with HoT weren’t all bad – sentries are my best friends now! But, kitten, most of the HoT WvW changes were/are horrible in my book. (150 degrees in the wrong direction. 150 degrees! NO LESS!)

Anet…

…for the love of Dwayna, PLEASE DO NOT try doing an overhaul on your own based on your “perception” of what the WvW community wants and needs in general. There are some Phenomenal!!! ideas/suggestions from the WvW community in many, many threads within the WvW forums. And I think if you just opened up a dialogue (maybe in a TS channel) with some of our veteran commanders, guilds – big and small, havocs, roamers, scouts, defenders, tacticians, strategists, and siege specialists, then the sky’s the limit on what WvW can become! (Man, you could create something that locks people into this game for another decade! No bull-kitten! And my old kitten would happily be one of them! )

This could be a GREAT OPPORTUNITY!!

Talk to our veteran folk and Seize the Day, Anet! SEIZE THE DAY!!!!
HUZZAH!

cafard.8953:

Found on reddit:

ArenaColin posted:

As an engineer main, this remains one of those things I’d love to see addressed…But the reality is we need the bulk of our own internal engineers (coders!) to continue to focus on stuff like our major WvW overhaul right now we’ve been working on for over a year that’s much higher priority for the game over-all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Guildwars2/comments/3u7bo1/no_hope_for_legendary_effect_on_engineer/cxcqyvo

Bit split here between cautious optimism considering the current state and cold cynicism considering pretty much every single new ‘feature’ introduced until now. I guess i’ll hug EB while i can in case it’s replaced by EotM by surprise.

If Anet takes away EB they might as well close WvW.

msalakka.4653:

The major overhaul could simply mean the new borderlands and wrapping up the development on them.

What would’ve been so hard about releasing the overhaul as a whole finished product?

Instead we get piecemeal rollouts of one component at a time, which it seems might be the case. In the mean time the game mode is hurting bad, and by the time the complete overhaul is rolled out is anyone going to be left to play it.

Xillllix.3485:

It’s a glimmer of hope for WvW, but it’s very imprecise in regards to what we should expect. They’ve been working for over a year on a “Major overhaul”. This implies that it’s going to be a huge change, bcause I doubt you would work a year on something as simple as a server merge when it was already done for PvE a long time ago.

Hopefully this “Major” update is a new scoring mechanic, a new reward system, and a new alliance-based server system that prevents the accumulation of empty maps.

Read the above again if you are in this thread to spread wild speculation and or stressing out over what this means . This is not news to anyone who has been paying attention. The questions about what and when remain unanswered and likely will continue to be so until they are ready to talk about them now matter how many temper tantrums we throw on the forums.

The only things left for us to discuss is how much the game landscape may have changed since last year when these changes first started being worked and what we as players might need to do to help ANET see where our opinions have evolved on some issues since then. We only need to go back to last years mega WvW CDI’s thread to get a sense where they might be going with things. Lets just hope they have one of the trendy adaptive management strategies in place to adjust to changes the WvW scene has undergone recently.

Note to self: For current WvW news check Reddit Engineer threads.
P.S. Beware of the Leopard.