Guild Wars 2

Guess it explains why EotM is a thing

Yeah it’s sad that he would assume that’s a fact

Ezrael.6859:

Guess it explains why EotM is a thing

Pvp: Fail
Www: Fail
Pve: Not Fail

He is correct!

So the question is, now you have 100% evidence wvw and pvp was never serious, was only joke, what will you do next?

DarkSyze.8627:

Ezrael.6859:

Guess it explains why EotM is a thing

Pvp: Fail
Www: Fail
Pve: Not Fail

He is correct!

So the question is, now you have 100% evidence wvw and pvp was never serious, was only joke, what will you do next?

Didn’t you quit the game? Go away, your trolling is weak. Beating you in a discussion is no challenge/no fun.

PvE is Love , PvE is life

Its true now thanks to golem week. Also hilarious… watching my guildies fumble their way through duneons for the first time.

I turned to PvE, because it’s not like I play this game for the game anymore. I just want money to fuel my skin addiction

Also raiding is super frustrating right now as the side with the most necros ALWAYS wins the fight. b-b-b-b-balance

I don’t think a new Lion’s Arch if you call that PvE is any better than EoTM is for WvW. If you don’t remember, EotM was introduced for all the pathetics that transfer to be the largest zerg and end up with hours of queue time. So made specifically for hardcore WvWers is it not. When they finally get into the server they’ll just do the same thing anyway; spend hours bashing doors and farm NPCs.
PvE is just as dead as everything else. Underwater dead. Dungeons dead. Fractals dead. Guild Missions dead. Etc etc. etc.
The only thing getting any attention is zonewide farms we see in the new maps. And in the eyes of a metrics counter over at Anet, is what WvWers do all day that much different to what’s going on in SW? Maybe that’s what his comment is based on.

And don’t get me started on the GvG guilds that ruin borders much worse than this Golem event does.

WvW is more PVE than you think. Its based on a point system that you get points by taking objectives controlled by NPCS. Its up to players to defend those objectives. Most of the epic fights take place when servers try to capture objectives. SM battles for example. They can last for a long time if people keep respawning and coming back while open field fights usually last until the commander dies and everyone else runs away.

briggah.7910:

WvW is more PVE than you think. Its based on a point system that you get points by taking objectives controlled by NPCS. Its up to players to defend those objectives. Most of the epic fights take place when servers try to capture objectives. SM battles for example. They can last for a long time if people keep respawning and coming back while open field fights usually last until the commander dies and everyone else runs away.

Except a lot of WvWers don’t care too much about PPT anyways. Most WvW people I know see PPT as a way to get fights, not the other way around. You attack SMC to draw the enemy forces to you so you can fight them, not because you really care about the castle. Although being able to run through SMC as a shortcut across the map is a really nice benefit too.

Embarrassing, and look at Colin Johanson and how he looks when Mike o Brien told this BS, really felt sorry for him.

briggah.7910:

WvW is more PVE than you think. Its based on a point system that you get points by taking objectives controlled by NPCS. Its up to players to defend those objectives. Most of the epic fights take place when servers try to capture objectives. SM battles for example. They can last for a long time if people keep respawning and coming back while open field fights usually last until the commander dies and everyone else runs away.

https://youtu.be/S7vY8zSn680
the eonly difference was there was no walls and siege …. :\

Mike O’Brien has really bad posture. Slouching, hunched shoulders, arms crossed – all signs point that he doesn’t care to even be there and what he’s talking about.

phokus.8934:

Mike O’Brien has really bad posture. Slouching, hunched shoulders, arms crossed – all signs point that he doesn’t care to even be there and what he’s talking about.

I thought he looked pretty uncomfortable too lol. Like “Oh kitten she’s asking about WvW…I can’t tell her we’re about to just convert it to EoTM and be done with that crap!”

Genavelle.9516:

Except a lot of WvWers don’t care too much about PPT anyways. Most WvW people I know see PPT as a way to get fights, not the other way around. You attack SMC to draw the enemy forces to you so you can fight them, not because you really care about the castle. Although being able to run through SMC as a shortcut across the map is a really nice benefit too.

True but you need PPT’ers to keep you where you are. You should know this by now. Your server itself was dropping to the lower tiers and you guys had to PPT your way to get back to where you are. We had matches against you when you were on your way up and you just blobbed everything and anyone. Even spawned camped us. I understand you had to do it but you also still have to PPT to stay where you are if you care about it or not. If anything you should be happy you do have people PPt’ing so that you guys can get the fights you want to get..

Not hating on your server or anything and I also pointed out before that if you guys can re-build others can as well. It just takes everyone on the server to do what they can to accomplish it. I’m sure it was not easy either but most look for the easiest way out.

briggah.7910:

Genavelle.9516:

Except a lot of WvWers don’t care too much about PPT anyways. Most WvW people I know see PPT as a way to get fights, not the other way around. You attack SMC to draw the enemy forces to you so you can fight them, not because you really care about the castle. Although being able to run through SMC as a shortcut across the map is a really nice benefit too.

True but you need PPT’ers to keep you where you are. You should know this by now. Your server itself was dropping to the lower tiers and you guys had to PPT your way to get back to where you are. We had matches against you when you were on your way up and you just blobbed everything and anyone. Even spawned camped us. I understand you had to do it but you also still have to PPT to stay where you are if you care about it or not. If anything you should be happy you do have people PPt’ing so that you guys can get the fights you want to get..

Not hating on your server or anything and I also pointed out before that if you guys can re-build others can as well. It just takes everyone on the server to do what they can to accomplish it. I’m sure it was not easy either but most look for the easiest way out.

I’ve only been only been on Maguuma for a couple months.

And I know PPT is relevant and necessary for WvW, but my point was that I doubt the vast majority of WvW players go into WvW because they want to PPT. If you NEED to PPT to stay in your tier, then y’know cool. But at this point what is winning even worth anymore? The servers are all so imbalanced, T1 is practically rigged to stay the same 3 servers all the time..Even winning a matchup anymore is more about keeping your server in a steady place (like not dropping and losing people because of it or getting into uneven matchups), than about the pride of winning a matchup. It’s not like you even get rewards for your server winning a matchup, and after 3 years y’know..Who really even cares about the pride of winning anymore?

PPT is just a tool to get your server where you want it to be to have the best/most even fights. PPT is a tool you use in-game to create fights, by attacking coveted items like keeps and castles. PPT is a tool, a means to an end. It is not the purpose or main goal of WvW for most players.

I wish Anet would find and hire some of the old wvw/rvr developers from the old game Dark Age of Camelot. RVR was one of the few things DaoC got more right than any other mmorpg out there, imo.

And yea, I know I am reminiscing……not wanting ‘the good old days’(because they weren’t)………but I sure would like to see an effort like DaoC did toward wvw/rvr in this game……wvw in this game has so much good potential…..but it has just been so much of the same old, same old over the last year. Not saying that wvw can’t be fun….there are still times out there when I have a lot of fun……but those moments seem to be getting fewer and fewer for me.

I know, I know…..allow me to dream.

I’d love for them to do statistics on my account to see how much time I spent in PvE minus my afking in LA vs my time in WvW. I have close to 4000 hours logged over the past 2 and a half years and am WvW ranked around 2300 right now and I roam with a small group or solo more often than not. So it isn’t like I went around ktraining for my ranks.

I can guarantee that 95% of that is spent in WvW, 5% between AFK in LA and map completion on my guardian for my Twilight since they love to shove PvE down your throat if you want shiney things.

Teon.5168:

I wish Anet would find and hire some of the old wvw/rvr developers from the old game Dark Age of Camelot. RVR was one of the few things DaoC got more right than any other mmorpg out there, imo.

And yea, I know I am reminiscing……not wanting ‘the good old days’(because they weren’t)………but I sure would like to see an effort like DaoC did toward wvw/rvr in this game……wvw in this game has so much good potential…..but it has just been so much of the same old, same old over the last year. Not saying that wvw can’t be fun….there are still times out there when I have a lot of fun……but those moments seem to be getting fewer and fewer for me.

I know, I know…..allow me to dream.

They have moved over to camelot unchained. Get over it! :P

Teon.5168:

I wish Anet would find and hire some of the old wvw/rvr developers from the old game Dark Age of Camelot. RVR was one of the few things DaoC got more right than any other mmorpg out there, imo.

Matt Firor went here.

If you’ve watched the entire interview, at the very end, Reyana is asking about guild specific commander tags, something that has been asked about for years. Mike never heard of that request, and Colin basically was telling him with body language kitten, it’s been discussed a lot, and went on to do a standard placative answer.

Please don’t make me bring up the old Obsidian Sanctum thread(s) whereas the PvE’ers had tears the size of skittles because the WvW maps and JP’s made up part of the world/map complete. Yeah, those where the days when you could place AC’s throughout the JP’s and just gank people until the cows came home. Rage quit, guild rushes, dark room fun, arena dome slaughtering, trap using, and anything else that you could imagine would happen but the PvE player base cried to no end until it was removed and siege no longer would drop.

Yeah – those where the days…now it is a ghost town.

Svarty.8019:

Teon.5168:

I wish Anet would find and hire some of the old wvw/rvr developers from the old game Dark Age of Camelot. RVR was one of the few things DaoC got more right than any other mmorpg out there, imo.

Matt Firor went here.

Yeah, and that turned out really well.

2016 is the proposed launch of the new DaOC. Maybe it is a time to take a break for a bit. I’ve not pre-ordered HoT nor do I plan to until they shed some light on WvW. If there isn’t anything then I got my monies worth from GW2 so far and call it good enough.

Good thing about the game is that there is no monthly fee and I can come back anytime.

Remember. Mike is the business side. Colin is the game side.

Mike won’t have any clue about what players aren’t want. His job is to make sure the game is profitable enough so that we can all continue to play.

style.6173:

Remember. Mike is the business side. Colin is the game side.

Problem with that is Colin has demonstrated cluelessness regarding WvW in interviews.

DiscoJacen.1590:

Yeah it’s sad that he would assume that’s a fact

It is reasonable to believe they have evidence of every accounts time in PvE, PvP, and WvW.

Are you “assuming” the opposite is a fact?