One thing we all face in WvW is that 99% of the players want to be in the thick of action with the main zerg. 1% of the players are roamers who don’t listen to commanders. When we see swords on a keep for example, we call out and say any eyes on the keep? while 50 players run around with the commander and nobody volunteers to run to the keep to check. Or we say, take back the supply camps! we are running low on supplies. But everybody sticks to the commander and nobody breaks away. Or the Commander says, can someone tick the sieges? Nobody does it. Can someone walk this camp’s yak?…
Zerglings not listening to orders? Roamers not listening to orders?
Here I present the solution: Military Orders
Allow commanders to issue Military Orders to squad members.
Military Orders are definite orders that squad members have to obey. These are issued from the top brass and disobedience or failure to execute the Military Order successfully will result in Military Punishment.
Successful completion on the other hand will result in rewards.
Standard Orders and Punishments could include:
Take a particular supply camp (within 5 minutes)
- disobedience or failure punishment = freezing of WvW participation points for 5 minutes.
- Successful completion of order = instant gain of current WvW participation points on top of the usual gains.
Defend a particular supply camp (for 5 minutes)
- disobedience or failure punishment = freezing of WvW participation points for 5 minutes.
- Successful completion of order = instant gain of current WvW participation points on top of the usual gains.
Scout a location (for e.g. scout the NE area and report on enemy movement for 5 minutes)
- disobedience or failure punishment = freezing of WvW participation points for 5 minutes.
- Successful completion of order = instant gain of current WvW participation points on top of the usual gains.
Sentry a location (for e.g. be the sentry in Hills for 5 minutes)
- disobedience or failure punishment = freezing of WvW participation points for 5 minutes.
- Successful completion of order = instant gain of current WvW participation points on top of the usual gains.
Commanders have the power to issue Military Orders and Punishments when they meet the following criteria:
Have at least 20 men in their squad (when a commander reaches this number of squad members, he is officially recognized by the server as a chosen Commander and when a chosen Commander is present on a map, all server players on the map will automatically be forced to join the squad. There can be more than one chosen Commander on the map, in which case, the player is given a choice to join his/her preferred chosen Commander)
Different orders require the assigning of a min-max number of squad members.
- For example, taking or defending a supply camp require at least 2 member receiving the order and a maximum of 5 members. Or scouting require at least 1 member receiving the order and a maximum of 3 members
I’m sorry, but what kind of drugs you’re using? Hahaha.
There’s no system for scouting/sentrying in the game and I doubt it will ever be because it’s so subjective and because of it, it could be extremely exploitable.
Also, GW2 would never create a system to players punish players, as it goes against the core principles of the game. And again, it would be easily abusable.
And the positive side of it also works. People would sit in the front of a camp, issue orders, and everybody would cap it. 5 players got more rewards than the rest. And if you limit the earnings to be only delivered if those players with orders captured it, a random player (or 30) could help and screw it.
I mean, there’s so many things wrong with this, and this is just the surface.
Also while they are doing menial tasks, have them recite the following 10 times to get into the proper mentality:
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
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“The objective is to win. The goal is to have fun.”
this is nothing more then a glorified do as I said post.
I play the game the way i see fit because i bought it. If u bought the game for me, paid part of my electric bills, paid my internet costs for the time spend I play gw2. And related gemstore purchases to wvw. then yes I will follow a commanders military orders. And u can decide how I should play a game.
I’d immediately tag up, eschew these options, and call my squad the Rebel Alliance. It would be open to anyone able to remember they’re playing a video game….
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@ OP, by that logic we should have punishment for bad commanders as well.
-Mutiny (demote from squad or kick from squad)
-Lose tag privileges for x hours
-Feed the meat (low wvsw participation in squad after xx many minutes commanding in squad becomes grounds for dismissal)
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I mean do you see how stupid all this sounds? lol
Today there were a number of squads telling people to join them. Then when they joined…..yelling at them to act like mannequins and let some moronic commander pull all their strings.
Funny post though….hope you weren’t actually serious? Hope being the key word there.
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I seriously hope this guy is trolling, but in case he’s not…
Though I agree to the first part of
THIS IS A WAR BETWEEN OUR WORLD AND THE ENEMIES’ WORLDS. THIS IS NOT A PLAYGROUND FOR THE SELFISH. WE MUST ALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE SURVIVAL AND EVENTUAL DOMINANCE OF OUR WORLD.
THERE SHALL BE NO MORE: “I AM A ROAMER, I DON’T HAVE TO LISTEN TO A COMMANDER” MENTALITY.
that’s certainly not something to blame on roamers, since they do take camps, escort/kill dollies, defend objectives until the army arrives and, ofc, fight other roamers trying to do the same. The only kind of players your accusation fits would be those duelists, but that’s another story.
What made me really giggle was:
while 50 players run around with the commander and nobody volunteers to run to the keep to check. Or we say, take back the supply camps! we are running low on supplies. But everybody sticks to the commander and nobody breaks away. Or the Commander says, can someone tick the sieges? Nobody does it. Can someone walk this camp’s yak?…
That’s a masterpiece example of bad leadership here. Always make precise orders if you want someone to follow them. “Subsquad 3, take camp X and rejoin the squad after”. “Subsquad 4, go escort dollies to get that keep to the next tier”. And so on. But that’s actually something most commanders are lacking so if it really bothers you, go do it better yourself or live with it.
Giving some random guy that spent 100 or 300 gold for a tacco the power to influence other players rewards is certainly not the solution.
It’s really hard to get scouts these days, but this again boils down to WvW neglect.
Anet want the zerg mentality as it means WvW is stay active for longer.
Why else do you think from launch that WvW as no rewards for defending, patrolling, scouting, escorting yaks, or even rewards for support roles!
If you are a true water ele, you do a lot of heal but very little damage!
This means half of your tags on enemies do not count as you didnt hit them for enough points.
But when it comes to your support role, you heal thousands of health on several allies, you keep them alive to kill your enemy zerg.
But what do you as a support role player get? Nothing!
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I used to be a PvE player like you, then I played Guild Wars 2
From the moment you pay me on an hourly basis, then (and only then) are you authorized to give me any orders and punish me for disobeying them. At all other times I will do as I kitten well please.
But from you post I rekkon that you think some people have more rights than others, if that is so I call for revolution:
Down with the military,
Freedom for the to people,
Pick up your arms, do what you want and kill (or try to) every single person that comes in your way.
You will probably die (over and over again), but at least you where free to do what you want.
What is more sad though? The content of this post or that some people actually believe something like that.
Believing in people bringing up the most redicoulus proposels in all seriousness? Most definetly, sad but true.
We already had people asking revival orbs to be useable inside WvW remeber? I don’t doubt people suggest the stupidiest ideas all in seriousness anymore.
It’s really hard to get scouts these days, but this again boils down to WvW neglect.
Anet want the zerg mentality as it means WvW is stay active for longer.
Why else do you think from launch that WvW as no rewards for defending, patrolling, scouting, escorting yaks, or even rewards for support roles!
If you are a true water ele, you do a lot of heal but very little damage!
This means half of your tags on enemies do not count as you didnt hit them for enough points.
But when it comes to your support role, you heal thousands of health on several allies, you keep them alive to kill your enemy zerg.
But what do you as a support role player get? Nothing!
I get quite a few drops as a water ele as I use 2 on cooldown and it hits quite hard (and helps the zerg by slowing enemies etc), but no where near as many as I get if I play almost anything else. But that’s the role I mainly use as I used to monk a lot in Guild Wars (before heroes, etc) or play ele…
As to the OP, telling people what to do- if you want a proper squad you’d better find a big wvw guild and go command there, where there is some chance you might get people to do what you want and maybe even one or two scouts. But the main fun in wvw is the massive battles and taking objectives (for most, anyway) so trying to tell random people to go do the boring stuff whilst NOT doing it yourself isn’t going to fly.
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What the hell, is this dude joking? I don’t get these “commanders” who think anyone owes them a kitten thing… anyone can buy a kitten tag; if you want to try and boss people around go join the military, watch how quickly you get your kitten pushed in… lol. You sound like some young LT trying to bark around orders to some salty Gunny or something… get the hell out of here.
What the hell, is this dude joking? I don’t get these “commanders” who think anyone owes them a kitten thing… anyone can buy a kitten tag; if you want to try and boss people around go join the military, watch how quickly you get your kitten pushed in… lol. You sound like some young LT trying to bark around orders to some salty Gunny or something… get the hell out of here.
Also while they are doing menial tasks, have them recite the following 10 times to get into the proper mentality:
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.
Watch your back when they return to the zerg.
hahahah
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What is more sad though? The content of this post or that some people actually believe something like that.
Believing in people bringing up the most redicoulus proposels in all seriousness? Most definetly, sad but true.
We already had people asking revival orbs to be useable inside WvW remeber? I don’t doubt people suggest the stupidiest ideas all in seriousness anymore.
And indeed, you could probably imagine the most ridiculous of stances and I’ll think of someone that actually holds something close to it.
That’s the scariest thing about the internet. Most is sarcasm, but some really do believe it.
For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards,
for there you have been and there you will long to return.
I think Anet might feel my ideas are feasible and might work, even if not in the exact manner I presented them. Since they infracted and edited my post for reasons they did not share with me, and didn’t delete my post outright.
Just imagine, a world vs world having actual military orders and punishments. it adds a whole new dimension to the game.
I think Anet might feel my ideas are feasible and might work, even if not in the exact manner I presented them. Since they infracted and edited my post for reasons they did not share with me, and didn’t delete my post outright.
Just imagine, a world vs world having actual military orders and punishments. it adds a whole new dimension to the game.
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