Guild Wars 2

Hi Anet,

Just one question, I play since the beginning or almost and I have still waiting when you, maybe, would give us the +25% for every classes. I know that concerns just a little part of the community but play with a speed or traveler rune when the other can use strenght or pack rune is boring, we can’t play some build just cause we need to use this kittening rune to walk around the map…. Somebody w’ll say “You can play without”, yes but no, when you play alone it’s boring and you can’t correctly kite…
With HoT you give at the mesmer the move speed, why don’t give this at gardian too ??

You can get permanent swiftness with boon duration food/runes and using staff #3 (symbol of swiftness) or using traited “Retreat!” shout. So I really don’t see a big problem here.

Guardians have always been meta in WvWvW and are arguably the best general profession for WvWvW. Solid choice for zerging, commanding and even roaming. Many other professions need buffs for WvWvW, but guardians need some toning down.

Deniara Devious.3948:

You can get permanent swiftness with boon duration food/runes and using staff #3 (symbol of swiftness) or using traited “Retreat!” shout. So I really don’t see a big problem here.

Guardians have always been meta in WvWvW and are arguably the best general profession for WvWvW. Solid choice for zerging, commanding and even roaming. Many other professions need buffs for WvWvW, but guardians need some toning down.

Euuuuuuh… retreat and staff for roaming ?? Sorry but I don’t play in bus, and alone with this, it’s just not possible, everybody know that^^
I just ask to have the +25% like all other class for roam with a real rune, it’s simple but your solution doesn’t work, it’s not an alternative for a roamer

Yep completely impossible to roam without traveler or swiftness.

I know is he’s a really good player but it’s not like you will find players of his caliber all the time in WvW.

Heavy classes shouldnt be allowed movement speed bonuses period.

kitten how fun that would be. The entire melee frontline would move at base speed while backline is 25-33% – it would make light and medium melee builds lead the charge. It would even put the thumb down on roaming warriors – sure you can be near immortal with your 1K/s hp regen and passives coming out the kitten but you cant run for kitten.

It would be glorious!

Nothing quite so intimidating out there as a solo staff gerd

Dawdler.8521:

Heavy classes shouldnt be allowed movement speed bonuses period.

kitten how fun that would be. The entire melee frontline would move at base speed while backline is 25-33% – it would make light and medium melee builds lead the charge. It would even put the thumb down on roaming warriors – sure you can be near immortal with your 1K/s hp regen and passives coming out the kitten but you cant run for kitten.

It would be glorious!

Nike warrior would still be a thing because Warrior’s mobility is from his weapon skills lol.

And backline would never lead the charge unless you want to get wiped off the face of the map. What would happen is… nothing, because with swiftness everyone is moving at the same speed anyway, and literally what group in WvW doesn’t have permanent swiftness up from symbols before an engage?

I run a s+sh/gs warrior with Bull’s Charge and had a DH keep up with me pretty well from the switch near nwt to most of the way to nc. I don’t know his build, but I know he had at least one teleport that helped him a bunch on the vertical.

As a bonus, he evidently didn’t have to sacrifice that much for his mobility because it was still a beast of a fight.

There’s a real issue with spec balance and the arbitrary “swiftness tax” that they have. I don’t see ANET balance around having or not having swiftness based on how arbitrary it’s present or not in specs, so it really should just be done away with.

Everyone moves at 33% speed (current swiftness) baseline. Movement increases beyond that only exist in form of Superspeed
Or
Everyone moved at 25% baseline, swftness still exists for +8%, and superspeed still exists.

I’d prefer swiftness just went away, and Retaliation should follow it.

I think every class should have some option for +25% movespeed, approved.

I use the,
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Spring_Roll
for my reaper.

Flip a camp and keep moving and you will be able to keep some decent uptime on swiftness.

Justine you’ve been a little too keen on playing reaper lately. You fighting FA anytime soon? I’ll show you why you’re wrong.

Fluffball.8307:

Justine you’ve been a little too keen on playing reaper lately. You fighting FA anytime soon? I’ll show you why you’re wrong.

I don’t know when we will fight FA. We are in T2 atm but usually fight nsp/yb/cd/db. What am I wrong about though? Gonna pewpew my reaper from 2k range and play peekaboo with stealth spam?

Justine.6351:

:Gonna pewpew my reaper from 2k range and play peekaboo with stealth spam?

Ya? Cuz it’s impossible to counter as a reaper? That’s why you don’t roam on reaper.

Fluffball.8307:

Justine.6351:

:Gonna pewpew my reaper from 2k range and play peekaboo with stealth spam?

Ya? Cuz it’s impossible to counter as a reaper? That’s why you don’t roam on reaper.

I have been roaming some.

Meanwhile, necros start scoffing….

I always run retreat and grab the sentry backpacks (lol). Also random guild banners you find give 10%. That helps.

Yes that means I lose a skill but at least I don’t have to use a terrible rune set.

And yes place a 25% trait in any of the lines somewhere…

You dont roam as reaper, because you have no reliable way to get back to full hp once you get jumped on. Also its hard to get first engage on class that doesnt have much mobility and has obvious cast animations. Basically you need to own SM to soloroam as necromancer and stay like 5000 range from it.

But yeah, DH is decent but dont think it was designed to kite around enemy, more about leaping away, knocking back (keeping eye on enemy stab), blocking and then engaging with blink/pull., Everyone seems to be thief, druid or warrior these days ^^ Gotta have that mobility. Also dont think DH is weak because lack of mobility (2 leaps + blink), more because that classes that dont share boons/heals have higher survivability/burst damage.

Threather.9354:

You dont roam as reaper, because you have no reliable way to get back to full hp once you get jumped on. Also its hard to get first engage on class that doesnt have much mobility and has obvious cast animations. Basically you need to own SM to soloroam as necromancer and stay like 5000 range from it.

If you are afraid of dying you shouldn’t be roaming nor be playing necro nor even be playing a pvp mode.

Justine.6351:

Threather.9354:

You dont roam as reaper, because you have no reliable way to get back to full hp once you get jumped on. Also its hard to get first engage on class that doesnt have much mobility and has obvious cast animations. Basically you need to own SM to soloroam as necromancer and stay like 5000 range from it.

If you are afraid of dying you shouldn’t be roaming nor be playing necro nor even be playing a pvp mode.

Haha, well obviously your server might look little different but the servers I am facing have 3-4 man perma ganking guilds during daytime killing everyone trying to solo roam if they own sm Ofc you could go borders but its pretty much the same there. Thats why its better to play Druid/Mesmer/Warrior/Thief or even DH or ele so you have at least some mobility.

Also thieves counter you, longbow druids can troll you, sure if you love the class but its kinda like roaming with staff DH at that point, sure you kill some noobs and scrappers but at that point you will be better off just zerging ^^

Threather.9354:

Justine.6351:

Threather.9354:

You dont roam as reaper, because you have no reliable way to get back to full hp once you get jumped on. Also its hard to get first engage on class that doesnt have much mobility and has obvious cast animations. Basically you need to own SM to soloroam as necromancer and stay like 5000 range from it.

If you are afraid of dying you shouldn’t be roaming nor be playing necro nor even be playing a pvp mode.

Haha, well obviously your server might look little different but the servers I am facing have 3-4 man perma ganking guilds during daytime killing everyone trying to solo roam if they own sm Ofc you could go borders but its pretty much the same there. Thats why its better to play Druid/Mesmer/Warrior/Thief or even DH or ele so you have at least some mobility.

Also thieves counter you, longbow druids can troll you, sure if you love the class but its kinda like roaming with staff DH at that point, sure you kill some noobs and scrappers but at that point you will be better off just zerging ^^

I suppose,
went out roaming tonight against jq and ya it was pretty nasty. had to get on hammer revenant it was so bad !

apharma.3741:

Yep completely impossible to roam without traveler or swiftness.

I know is he’s a really good player but it’s not like you will find players of his caliber all the time in WvW.

I know Zodin and I duel with him but it’s not the problem here, when you roam with dura/pack or strength rune, you are really too slow ! If you have some ppl who chase you, you are dead, I play with speed cause of this, with this rune I can run or kite !

And if we have the possibility to put any rune, the guard will have more build option really !

Le Protecteur Chef.4803:

apharma.3741:

Yep completely impossible to roam without traveler or swiftness.

I know is he’s a really good player but it’s not like you will find players of his caliber all the time in WvW.

I know Zodin and I duel with him but it’s not the problem here, when you roam with dura/pack or strength rune, you are really too slow ! If you have some ppl who chase you, you are dead, I play with speed cause of this, with this rune I can run or kite !

And if we have the possibility to put any rune, the guard will have more build option really !

Your choice, the movement speed is nice but on a class that is as strong as DH is atm you don’t need that 25% movement speed especially when you have some pretty decent gap openers/closers on relatively short cool downs like symbol of blades.

Threather.9354:

Haha, well obviously your server might look little different but the servers I am facing have 3-4 man perma ganking guilds during daytime killing everyone trying to solo roam if they own sm Ofc you could go borders but its pretty much the same there. Thats why its better to play Druid/Mesmer/Warrior/Thief or even DH or ele so you have at least some mobility.

Also thieves counter you, longbow druids can troll you, sure if you love the class but its kinda like roaming with staff DH at that point, sure you kill some noobs and scrappers but at that point you will be better off just zerging ^^

I’d argue that while reaper lacks what most “roamers” seem to prioritize in mobility and ability to escape, it has the advantage in still being effective when the fights become 1v3+. Against druids if they just want to pewpew and staff 3 away then you can just walk away and use los.

It is funny to me that people are so hardset with their “needs” for roaming. You don’t need mobility, you don’t need stealth, you don’t need broken 1v1 builds, all you need is some knowledge of the game and ability to play the terrain to your advantage. Sure some classes are better suited out of the box for solo roaming, but there isn’t any reason to not roam on a class, unless you don’t enjoy that playstyle.

And as far as your end comment there, just because you can’t kill anything but noobs/scrappers on necro doesn’t make that a universal law.

Anet might as well give Guardians full time speed without having to work for it in the build. The class has easy access to almost everything else now including a few mechanics no other class has access to. Guardian is the strongest WvW class and it now dominates in all modes of WvW.

No other class has been as strong as Guardian since launch. The class has hardly ever seen a buff go unused and rarely seen a nerf that impacted its game play significantly unlike virtually every other class.

So yeah, lets give it that last mile… free speed because we know in the next expansion Shadow Guard or similar is going to be a thing.

Helly.2597

And as far as your end comment there, just because you can’t kill anything but noobs/scrappers on necro doesn’t make that a universal law.

Haha, maybe so, I have indeed heard what NA pvp scene looks like on the top so I guess necro would dominate there

Threather.9354:

Helly.2597

And as far as your end comment there, just because you can’t kill anything but noobs/scrappers on necro doesn’t make that a universal law.

Haha, maybe so, I have indeed heard what NA pvp scene looks like on the top so I guess necro would dominate there

I’ve been watching sinrenders youtube vids from this season, core staff support guardians lol. Don’t act like EU something superior…