Guild Wars 2

My English is poor, so I use google translate sometimes.

First of all, I playing GW2 from begining , and now I playing China server from their begining too. There are many US server WVW players still playing now, so I will not say the US server players feel, we all know it. The China server lost most of all WVW players within 11 months, even they have above 1000+ queue from begining in T1 server. Now the situation is unable to retain the old players, the speed of old players exit this game is faster than new players coming. After discussion the major reason is " fight for what ? "
(Another reason is that the botting, but not be discussed here)

WVW must change some way.
I do not know Anet is “Can’t Do” or “Don’t want to do”, or even “Just for E-sport”.

GW2 has currently the best multiplayer battle system in all games. If you can do something to change the system would bring a lot of players back absolutely. Even other game’s wvw player. Or Anet just want attract new players by E-sport?

If Anet want some idea, there is a lot of idea in China forum, I can try to translate it.

Anet spent 2 years not listening to ideas which are probably the same ones that are mentioned in the chinese forums. If the chinese servers are losing players because the point system is meaningless, tell them the trick is to stop caring about points and start enjoying the fights :P

Zetsumei.4975:

Anet spent 2 years not listening to ideas which are probably the same ones that are mentioned in the chinese forums. If the chinese servers are losing players because the point system is meaningless, tell them the trick is to stop caring about points and start enjoying the fights :P

They don’t care point from start because the queue is 1000+, need to queue about 6 hours to get in, so they don’t have to worry about timezone. After a month they starting to worry about point, some server have some players can still playing when their enemy is sleeping, so the timezone is important now, but most China server players is Sea timezone player, they gonna fight from dinner to breakfast to take points, they have asked China server company to change WVW rule, maybe take point from 12pm~12am, but they just don’t change anything, so yes China server have cared about point in a short time, but most of time they fight with maga zerg 85~115ppl
( China server borderland can hold115ppl, and EB can hold 85ppl, that LAG is WOW!!!)
they fight and fight and fight, some “GVG” 80VS80 have a record 40:0 in 5hours…

After lots of fight and lag, some player feel boring and AFK, so their server maybe always have not enough people or no enemy. Why no enemy? Because some server just have some people playing in midnight and don’t sleep!!! they got 695 ppt over 8 hours everyday, even you can crush their everything in Sea time, Point still lose them after you wake up, and all keep and camps upgraded sometime.

So, China server T1 have no queue now, and have lots of botting, more player leaveing.
They don’t care point now, cause it is useless, they only play WvW from 7pm to 11pm. Some people don’t leave this game because there’s not any game better than this game
to them, but they only feel sad to the company and the game.

But yes, they should play WvW like PVE, its Anet’s hope right?
WvW in GW2 is design for PVE from start, not to hardcore player.

sunny.5789:

Zetsumei.4975:

Anet spent 2 years not listening to ideas which are probably the same ones that are mentioned in the chinese forums. If the chinese servers are losing players because the point system is meaningless, tell them the trick is to stop caring about points and start enjoying the fights :P

They don’t care point from start because the queue is 1000+, need to queue about 6 hours to get in, so they don’t have to worry about timezone. After a month they starting to worry about point, some server have some players can still playing when their enemy is sleeping, so the timezone is important now, but most China server players is Sea timezone player, they gonna fight from dinner to breakfast to take points, they have asked China server company to change WVW rule, maybe take point from 12pm~12am, but they just don’t change anything, so yes China server have cared about point in a short time, but most of time they fight with maga zerg 85~115ppl
( China server borderland can hold115ppl, and EB can hold 85ppl, that LAG is WOW!!!)
they fight and fight and fight, some “GVG” 80VS80 have a record 40:0 in 5hours…

After lots of fight and lag, some player feel boring and AFK, so their server maybe always have not enough people or no enemy. Why no enemy? Because some server just have some people playing in midnight and don’t sleep!!! they got 695 ppt over 8 hours everyday, even you can crush their everything in Sea time, Point still lose them after you wake up, and all keep and camps upgraded sometime.

So, China server T1 have no queue now, and have lots of botting, more player leaveing.
They don’t care point now, cause it is useless, they only play WvW from 7pm to 11pm. Some people don’t leave this game because there’s not any game better than this game
to them, but they only feel sad to the company and the game.

But yes, they should play WvW like PVE, its Anet’s hope right?
WvW in GW2 is design for PVE from start, not to hardcore player.

Points are pre-determined by coverage (people playing in the night etc) and server population (but that won’t be a problem in china until some servers dont have enough people to queue all maps), you don’t win anything useful by winning a matchup and you don’t get any meaningful reward by having a high ranking so if its not fun stop caring. However, its wrong to say that just because someone plays at night theyre work should have less value, they could say people playing the day are playing in their off-hours so why should they be able to get points (it goes both ways).

As for fights once they learn to zergbust (using ~20 people to kill 40-60) the fights will seem its all about numbers because the lag makes it so you can only press #1. Once the first guild starts being able to use 20 people to kill massive zergs everything will change, they will see how exciting it is to fight like that and why wvw is fun.

This is all assuming the chinese havent researched gvg guilds and zergbusting builds already and quickly learnt how to because 80 people using correct builds who know how to fight and using teamspeak (voice communications) cannot get killed by 20 unless theyre exceptional.

Zetsumei.4975:

Points are pre-determined by coverage (people playing in the night etc) and server population (but that won’t be a problem in china until some servers dont have enough people to queue all maps), you don’t win anything useful by winning a matchup and you don’t get any meaningful reward by having a high ranking so if its not fun stop caring. However, its wrong to say that just because someone plays at night theyre work should have less value, they could say people playing the day are playing in their off-hours so why should they be able to get points (it goes both ways).

As for fights once they learn to zergbust (using ~20 people to kill 40-60) the fights will seem its all about numbers because the lag makes it so you can only press #1. Once the first guild starts being able to use 20 people to kill massive zergs everything will change, they will see how exciting it is to fight like that and why wvw is fun.

This is all assuming the chinese havent researched gvg guilds and zergbusting builds already and quickly learnt how to because 80 people using correct builds who know how to fight and using teamspeak (voice communications) cannot get killed by 20 unless theyre exceptional.

Yes there is some people say they can only play in night because they are study abroad.
but these people’s affect is larger than most people in Sea timezone, they can decide which server to go up and down.

Some guild have tried to use 20 ppl to kill 40-60, they can easily kill enemy from start, and prove the power of little guild, but the way different is China server use another way to beat the little guild, gather more people. If they can’t use 40 man to kill you , they will find 60, 80, or full map to kill you, make you lag and only can use 1. unless you go into EB the lag is not that terrible. because a server use this is really effective, that server can destory every guild with full map zerg just walk throught, and they don’t have to defend tower in other borderland because it will be taken after they sleep, so they all queue in one map or two maps, just for fight. So the other server beated by them starting to learn gather all people in one blob, because they think one guild can’t do anything to this, they form a big blob instead of 3 or 4 guild fight together. and now they become a experience high personal ability zerg, their cmd just have to say"AOE them",“range profession go forward hit them”,“find a good place to AOE”and"if you die just run back".

There is some China server guild went to FA a few weeks ago.
they are Ra, Red, News, with about total 150+people in Sea timezone
if there’s a day FA matchups with JQ and have a intense fight,
I think there will have more China guild go to FA too.

LMAO Sunny, you described what is going on with my server almost perfectly. A certain enemy server has gathered a couple hundred Chinese to PPT for them off hours and they use the same 80+ blob tactic. We have much smaller numbers but the lag created in the fight makes it almost impossible to use any skills so the 80+ blob wins by default. The only real advantage is playing defense and farming their waves of assaults until they finally win with numbers.

And having a similar Chinese blob on our side to counter them would only lag even more. Sorry, but smashing 1111 isn’t why I play. I would prefer all blobs go elsewhere.

It is sad to see an already wounded game mode continue to be devastated by such things. My hope is that they move soon after becoming bored of PvD but from what you describe it sounds like they don’t mind at all and want to add to the PvD mindset of their current server.

Hardcore PPT all day but, likewise, our servers aren’t going anywhere either.

Dhemize.8649:

LMAO Sunny, you described what is going on with my server almost perfectly. A certain enemy server has gathered a couple hundred Chinese to PPT for them off hours and they use the same 80+ blob tactic. We have much smaller numbers but the lag created in the fight makes it almost impossible to use any skills so the 80+ blob wins by default. The only real advantage is playing defense and farming their waves of assaults until they finally win with numbers.

And having a similar Chinese blob on our side to counter them would only lag even more. Sorry, but smashing 1111 isn’t why I play. I would prefer all blobs go elsewhere.

It is sad to see an already wounded game mode continue to be devastated by such things. My hope is that they move soon after becoming bored of PvD but from what you describe it sounds like they don’t mind at all and want to add to the PvD mindset of their current server.

Hardcore PPT all day but, likewise, our servers aren’t going anywhere either.

Blob vs blob in China server is very general and continue from start to now, if they can queue 2.5 map, they will queue 2 map, if they can only queue 1.5map, they will all queue 1 map, so you will always see them in full map zerg, unless they don’t have ability to queue a map, but their zerg still huge.

sunny.5789:

Zetsumei.4975:

Points are pre-determined by coverage (people playing in the night etc) and server population (but that won’t be a problem in china until some servers dont have enough people to queue all maps), you don’t win anything useful by winning a matchup and you don’t get any meaningful reward by having a high ranking so if its not fun stop caring. However, its wrong to say that just because someone plays at night theyre work should have less value, they could say people playing the day are playing in their off-hours so why should they be able to get points (it goes both ways).

As for fights once they learn to zergbust (using ~20 people to kill 40-60) the fights will seem its all about numbers because the lag makes it so you can only press #1. Once the first guild starts being able to use 20 people to kill massive zergs everything will change, they will see how exciting it is to fight like that and why wvw is fun.

This is all assuming the chinese havent researched gvg guilds and zergbusting builds already and quickly learnt how to because 80 people using correct builds who know how to fight and using teamspeak (voice communications) cannot get killed by 20 unless theyre exceptional.

Yes there is some people say they can only play in night because they are study abroad.
but these people’s affect is larger than most people in Sea timezone, they can decide which server to go up and down.

Some guild have tried to use 20 ppl to kill 40-60, they can easily kill enemy from start, and prove the power of little guild, but the way different is China server use another way to beat the little guild, gather more people. If they can’t use 40 man to kill you , they will find 60, 80, or full map to kill you, make you lag and only can use 1. unless you go into EB the lag is not that terrible. because a server use this is really effective, that server can destory every guild with full map zerg just walk throught, and they don’t have to defend tower in other borderland because it will be taken after they sleep, so they all queue in one map or two maps, just for fight. So the other server beated by them starting to learn gather all people in one blob, because they think one guild can’t do anything to this, they form a big blob instead of 3 or 4 guild fight together. and now they become a experience high personal ability zerg, their cmd just have to say"AOE them",“range profession go forward hit them”,“find a good place to AOE”and"if you die just run back".

I know what you mean but you’ve got to look at the funny side of it. In the old days on our servers this would happen, you just got to see it as an accomplishment that they bring 80 when they could’nt beat you with 60 or 40, call in another guild once its 80 and farm then (not by blobbing up but by pushing one after the other over and over like youre two different waves).

What im saying is dont worry so much about how the blob tactic caps more keeps than using small guilds, you just enjoy the kills and knowing that the enemy is scared enough of you to have to bring a map blob to fight you, once you start seeing the glory in that youll have a lot more fun and enjoy knowing the other server’s blob fears you guild tag.

Yeah I’ve noticed they don’t like fighting alone. If you try to 1vs1 they will run away and try to find their zerg blob. They completely depend on their numbers and shy away from small scale fights.

Not sure if they’re just timid to fight alone or if they adopted this mindset from their current server. lol If you catch a small group 5vs5 and chase to fight they will run and look for a camp or tower to PvD instead. :/ It’s like they were given strict orders not to waste time fighting unless it’s a door for PPT.

If that’s all they do on your servers I’m not looking forward to them spilling off over here.

Zetsumei.4975:

What im saying is dont worry so much about how the blob tactic caps more keeps than using small guilds, you just enjoy the kills and knowing that the enemy is scared enough of you to have to bring a map blob to fight you, once you start seeing the glory in that youll have a lot more fun and enjoy knowing the other server’s blob fears you guild tag.

Now China server’s T1 only have 1 map queue, T2 too…
But lots of old player still AFK waiting for some change, they think WvW is boring now,
just wait for new expansion or something.
If anet can do something that can change WvW not just a new map, i think most of them will come back, but the new map “desert” seems like another EOTM lol, .

Dhemize.8649:

Yeah I’ve noticed they don’t like fighting alone. If you try to 1vs1 they will run away and try to find their zerg blob. They completely depend on their numbers and shy away from small scale fights.

Not sure if they’re just timid to fight alone or if they adopted this mindset from their current server. lol If you catch a small group 5vs5 and chase to fight they will run and look for a camp or tower to PvD instead. :/ It’s like they were given strict orders not to waste time fighting unless it’s a door for PPT.

If that’s all they do on your servers I’m not looking forward to them spilling off over here.

Now I want to go on a vacation to a chinese server to get some 1vx solo roaming action xD if theyre as bad as they sound I’d look like a dam hero

Dhemize.8649:

Yeah I’ve noticed they don’t like fighting alone. If you try to 1vs1 they will run away and try to find their zerg blob. They completely depend on their numbers and shy away from small scale fights.

Not sure if they’re just timid to fight alone or if they adopted this mindset from their current server. lol If you catch a small group 5vs5 and chase to fight they will run and look for a camp or tower to PvD instead. :/ It’s like they were given strict orders not to waste time fighting unless it’s a door for PPT.

If that’s all they do on your servers I’m not looking forward to them spilling off over here.

I think its not their fault because they if don’t gather together, they hard to fight blob in China server, frequently lose will make their guild disband. So the way to keep their survive is form another blob, just like other guilds.
have to give them more time to adapt in US server

Dhemize.8649:

Now I want to go on a vacation to a chinese server to get some 1vx solo roaming action xD if theyre as bad as they sound I’d look like a dam hero

China server still have some PVPers that roaming and solo, some of them is really strong, and its hard to play with 300+ms delay with mesmer or thief if you want to play China server :/ they play in US server have these delay too.

I understand that Sunny but if you base a guild off win/lose in WvW you’re going to disband a lot.

Do you think the ones who recently transferred to the US server are generally “good” and well known compared to what you fight over there? Just want to gauge if this is all there is to look forward to or if there’s a guild that will be a lot more experienced.

Also curious, do you guys like omega golems? lol I hardly see any other form of siege from the few hundred Chinese here and want to know if you guys just don’t care since they’re use to blob vs blob anyway.

sunny.5789:

Dhemize.8649:

Yeah I’ve noticed they don’t like fighting alone. If you try to 1vs1 they will run away and try to find their zerg blob. They completely depend on their numbers and shy away from small scale fights.

Not sure if they’re just timid to fight alone or if they adopted this mindset from their current server. lol If you catch a small group 5vs5 and chase to fight they will run and look for a camp or tower to PvD instead. :/ It’s like they were given strict orders not to waste time fighting unless it’s a door for PPT.

If that’s all they do on your servers I’m not looking forward to them spilling off over here.

I think its not their fault because they if don’t gather together, they hard to fight blob in China server, frequently lose will make their guild disband. So the way to keep their survive is form another blob, just like other guilds.
have to give them more time to adapt in US server

Yeah a fights guild can’t survive if their mentality is that they want to quit or disband after a few wipes, that mentality is for the blobs theyre aiming to wipe. A fights guild is expected to see wipes as a learning experience and simply part of wvw.

Dhemize.8649:

I understand that Sunny but if you base a guild off win/lose in WvW you’re going to disband a lot.

Do you think the ones who recently transferred to the US server are generally “good” and well known compared to what you fight over there? Just want to gauge if this is all there is to look forward to or if there’s a guild that will be a lot more experienced.

Also curious, do you guys like omega golems? lol I hardly see any other form of siege from the few hundred Chinese here and want to know if you guys just don’t care since they’re use to blob vs blob anyway.

I remember that three guild in FA don’t like to use siege, they just like to fight without siege, because some people think use sieges means you are weak than your enemies. but China server have zooming hack that can see everything from very very high position, so AC’s is very terrible there. and they got some rich man build an omega army too, the guild cata in China server is 4 gold and omega is 5 gold.

Zetsumei.4975:

sunny.5789:

Dhemize.8649:

Yeah I’ve noticed they don’t like fighting alone. If you try to 1vs1 they will run away and try to find their zerg blob. They completely depend on their numbers and shy away from small scale fights.

Not sure if they’re just timid to fight alone or if they adopted this mindset from their current server. lol If you catch a small group 5vs5 and chase to fight they will run and look for a camp or tower to PvD instead. :/ It’s like they were given strict orders not to waste time fighting unless it’s a door for PPT.

If that’s all they do on your servers I’m not looking forward to them spilling off over here.

I think its not their fault because they if don’t gather together, they hard to fight blob in China server, frequently lose will make their guild disband. So the way to keep their survive is form another blob, just like other guilds.
have to give them more time to adapt in US server

Yeah a fights guild can’t survive if their mentality is that they want to quit or disband after a few wipes, that mentality is for the blobs theyre aiming to wipe. A fights guild is expected to see wipes as a learning experience and simply part of wvw.

agreed :/

Same weakness can be found in people who only fight when they have a larger amount of people.

Anyway, thanks for your view.

The cures of RvR games you need to fight for pride and not for progression or you will run out of a reason to fight. Same is true for open pvp and maybe spvp (or closed pvp).

Jski.6180:

The cures of RvR games you need to fight for pride and not for progression or you will run out of a reason to fight. Same is true for open pvp and maybe spvp (or closed pvp).

Maybe make another Triya for WvW and refresh all rules and reward or else.
I think Anet have ability to do it, but just afraid not effective or they are lazy :/
WvW are boring now, why not just make a big different :/
or Anet is waiting for Camelot Unchained release? :/

Isn’t the Chinese version of the game completely different? I mean they had to make it different because of the censors in China right?

So are the players you’re talking about that transferred over to FA actually from mainland China? They would’ve had to buy the “non-China” version of the game. And are isp’s allowed to let them play that?

Johje Holan.4607:

Isn’t the Chinese version of the game completely different? I mean they had to make it different because of the censors in China right?

So are the players you’re talking about that transferred over to FA actually from mainland China? They would’ve had to buy the “non-China” version of the game. And are isp’s allowed to let them play that?

All the same, just some picture like necro’s skull changed, the critical hits is yellow instead of red . what update in US server will update in China server too.

China server and US server CDKey is Independent, so if they want to play in US, they have to buy US CDKey and create a new account.

Most isp allowed, there are many China people still playing US server, and even some student studying in Europe playing China server too.

i think its funny that youre saying that the chinese servers have very little coverage outside of major chinese time zones. because people who arent chinese dont play the chinese version of gw2.

sunny.5789:

is this confirmed actual numbers? if so that’s really hilarious. 85 people in the whole kitten game can play EB… good god.

I said this in a couple of other threads, but to me it seems like one major complaint I hear is the same one Im hearing here.

“Ive been playing since the beginning and now I cant even get in WvW to play.”

I think queue priority would fix a lot of the problems people complain about. The longer you have been on a server and playing WvW on that server the higher priority you have in that server’s queues.

Im fairly new compared to a lot of people and this still seems fair to me. It would likely drive me down to a lower tier server but I dont see why someone who has been playing on a server for years should be locked out of a map because Im ahead of them in queue.

sunny.5789:

Jski.6180:

The cures of RvR games you need to fight for pride and not for progression or you will run out of a reason to fight. Same is true for open pvp and maybe spvp (or closed pvp).

Maybe make another Triya for WvW and refresh all rules and reward or else.
I think Anet have ability to do it, but just afraid not effective or they are lazy :/
WvW are boring now, why not just make a big different :/
or Anet is waiting for Camelot Unchained release? :/

How would that help though you would just thin out ppl who do wvw as is. They could do it but it would make things a lot worst. WvW is much like open pvp games its what you make of it. If your there for loot there only so much you can get out of it. If your there to take keeps tower etc.. and hold them for ppt there more you can get out of it. If your there for just simply pvp your going to get a very different expertness out of it.

Any way your problem with WvW is a problem that all RvR games your CU or i like to call it copper is going to run into the same thing over time it just going to have more pve in the mix of wvw becuse there is no side places to pve only (in the ideal of there gear progression etc.. so you will need to aim your RvR game play at one point and time at the pve in its system).

Keep in mind people this is a “MMO”
Blobs are going to happen.
We need some mechanic to even the odds when outnumbered.
D.A.O.C. did this N.P. years ago.

Some people do not worry when vastly outnumbered like this cat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MOwQzRj5IE&list=UU_c5me8szrav_8syKKweGew

Jski.6180:

sunny.5789:

Jski.6180:

The cures of RvR games you need to fight for pride and not for progression or you will run out of a reason to fight. Same is true for open pvp and maybe spvp (or closed pvp).

Maybe make another Triya for WvW and refresh all rules and reward or else.
I think Anet have ability to do it, but just afraid not effective or they are lazy :/
WvW are boring now, why not just make a big different :/
or Anet is waiting for Camelot Unchained release? :/

How would that help though you would just thin out ppl who do wvw as is. They could do it but it would make things a lot worst. WvW is much like open pvp games its what you make of it. If your there for loot there only so much you can get out of it. If your there to take keeps tower etc.. and hold them for ppt there more you can get out of it. If your there for just simply pvp your going to get a very different expertness out of it.

Any way your problem with WvW is a problem that all RvR games your CU or i like to call it copper is going to run into the same thing over time it just going to have more pve in the mix of wvw becuse there is no side places to pve only (in the ideal of there gear progression etc.. so you will need to aim your RvR game play at one point and time at the pve in its system).

that just for example :/ want Anet do something

sunny.5789:

Jski.6180:

sunny.5789:

Jski.6180:

The cures of RvR games you need to fight for pride and not for progression or you will run out of a reason to fight. Same is true for open pvp and maybe spvp (or closed pvp).

Maybe make another Triya for WvW and refresh all rules and reward or else.
I think Anet have ability to do it, but just afraid not effective or they are lazy :/
WvW are boring now, why not just make a big different :/
or Anet is waiting for Camelot Unchained release? :/

How would that help though you would just thin out ppl who do wvw as is. They could do it but it would make things a lot worst. WvW is much like open pvp games its what you make of it. If your there for loot there only so much you can get out of it. If your there to take keeps tower etc.. and hold them for ppt there more you can get out of it. If your there for just simply pvp your going to get a very different expertness out of it.

Any way your problem with WvW is a problem that all RvR games your CU or i like to call it copper is going to run into the same thing over time it just going to have more pve in the mix of wvw becuse there is no side places to pve only (in the ideal of there gear progression etc.. so you will need to aim your RvR game play at one point and time at the pve in its system).

that just for example :/ want Anet do something

Well they are by adding in a new bl with new effects and at the same time cutting the old bl off for a time to keep wvw fresh for ppl. But even the new bl will get boring in time. You add in more maps or you add in more progression for pvp aimed. You cant add in stories for the most part. You maybe able to add in a boss fight in wvw though i think that is done though keep lords/ towers.

Jski.6180:

sunny.5789:

Jski.6180:

sunny.5789:

Jski.6180:

The cures of RvR games you need to fight for pride and not for progression or you will run out of a reason to fight. Same is true for open pvp and maybe spvp (or closed pvp).

Maybe make another Triya for WvW and refresh all rules and reward or else.
I think Anet have ability to do it, but just afraid not effective or they are lazy :/
WvW are boring now, why not just make a big different :/
or Anet is waiting for Camelot Unchained release? :/

How would that help though you would just thin out ppl who do wvw as is. They could do it but it would make things a lot worst. WvW is much like open pvp games its what you make of it. If your there for loot there only so much you can get out of it. If your there to take keeps tower etc.. and hold them for ppt there more you can get out of it. If your there for just simply pvp your going to get a very different expertness out of it.

Any way your problem with WvW is a problem that all RvR games your CU or i like to call it copper is going to run into the same thing over time it just going to have more pve in the mix of wvw becuse there is no side places to pve only (in the ideal of there gear progression etc.. so you will need to aim your RvR game play at one point and time at the pve in its system).

that just for example :/ want Anet do something

Well they are by adding in a new bl with new effects and at the same time cutting the old bl off for a time to keep wvw fresh for ppl. But even the new bl will get boring in time. You add in more maps or you add in more progression for pvp aimed. You cant add in stories for the most part. You maybe able to add in a boss fight in wvw though i think that is done though keep lords/ towers.

or make GW2 have only one mystic forge in SMC XD
( a crazy thought from China fourm

sunny.5789:

make GW2 have only one mystic forge in SMC XD
( a crazy thought from China fourm

Yeah. Make some meaningful objectives unique would give more purpose for fights.

sunny.5789:

Jski.6180:

sunny.5789:

Jski.6180:

sunny.5789:

Jski.6180:

The cures of RvR games you need to fight for pride and not for progression or you will run out of a reason to fight. Same is true for open pvp and maybe spvp (or closed pvp).

Maybe make another Triya for WvW and refresh all rules and reward or else.
I think Anet have ability to do it, but just afraid not effective or they are lazy :/
WvW are boring now, why not just make a big different :/
or Anet is waiting for Camelot Unchained release? :/

How would that help though you would just thin out ppl who do wvw as is. They could do it but it would make things a lot worst. WvW is much like open pvp games its what you make of it. If your there for loot there only so much you can get out of it. If your there to take keeps tower etc.. and hold them for ppt there more you can get out of it. If your there for just simply pvp your going to get a very different expertness out of it.

Any way your problem with WvW is a problem that all RvR games your CU or i like to call it copper is going to run into the same thing over time it just going to have more pve in the mix of wvw becuse there is no side places to pve only (in the ideal of there gear progression etc.. so you will need to aim your RvR game play at one point and time at the pve in its system).

that just for example :/ want Anet do something

Well they are by adding in a new bl with new effects and at the same time cutting the old bl off for a time to keep wvw fresh for ppl. But even the new bl will get boring in time. You add in more maps or you add in more progression for pvp aimed. You cant add in stories for the most part. You maybe able to add in a boss fight in wvw though i think that is done though keep lords/ towers.

or make GW2 have only one mystic forge in SMC XD
( a crazy thought from China fourm

That very counter to the ideal of GW2 and is the main reason why they are removing map completion from wvw. For a game like GW2 you need a new map from time to time (the new bls and the rotation system should cover this) some wvw only skins (we did get the weapons though more maybe nice too) and new classes / builds (the new “super” classes should go a long way to add wvw content and it seems like a class system where a lot of new jobs will be added) even something like Guild halls may add a bit more guild pride to wvw. As things stand its more of an issue of time we know a lot is coming out that will effect wvw but its not out now.

NonToxic.9185:

China’s situation is ours, exacerbated. That’s what happens when you release the game mode, population issues and all, to an audience with a much higher overall population.

Quoting myself from 5 months ago.

sunny.5789:

or make GW2 have only one mystic forge in SMC XD
( a crazy thought from China fourm

i like this insanity

Zackie.8923:

sunny.5789:

or make GW2 have only one mystic forge in SMC XD
( a crazy thought from China fourm

i like this insanity

ha – me too!!

Anyway: I think we need a different server system.

Maybe like this: joining a server with a given charackter (each charackter can only join one game.) Those servers have a max population and will be closed when the max population is reached. Those WvW servers also have certain times when they can be played on. If you want to play some other time – use a different charackter, join a different game.

To me what I need is a system that makes me care for the outcome of a WvW fight again. Right now it is only about population and time zones.

Concerning Zergs:

What about a new Condition called “Taunt”:

When active it will also activate friendly fire. So the back line of a zerg will have to really be carefull about who they bomb and about condition removal. In small fights the skill would make almost no difference at all.

Anet i hope you are reading this you are killing your own game. As many has said a thousand times “it has so much potential”.